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Missing slideshow for 14th

[9:29] Infinity Linden: i guess i called this meeting..
[9:30] Infinity Linden: so maybe i should MC
[9:30] Infinity Linden: okay... mousecateer roll call...
[9:30] Infinity Linden: enh... usual suspects
[9:30] Saijanai Kuhn: raises hand I'm here
[9:31] Locklainn Linden: Locks here
[9:31] Infinity Linden: and Tao
[9:31] Infinity Linden: and
[9:31] Locklainn Linden: Enus
[9:31] Infinity Linden: yay! Enus is back from vacation
[9:31] Tessa Harrington: easedropper
[9:31] Enus Linden: waves
[9:31] Tao Takashi: and we have a Linden couch
[9:31] Infinity Linden: i actually got all productive over the weekend...
[9:31] Infinity Linden: and made a powerpoint presentation
[9:31] Infinity Linden: ;-)
[9:31] Locklainn Linden: excellent
[9:31] Tao Takashi: me, too
[9:31] Enus Linden: eww
[9:32] Enus Linden: i cant even look at powerpoint
[9:32] Enus Linden: hehe
[9:32] Infinity Linden: and in a few minutes
[9:32] Infinity Linden: after it uploads
[9:32] Infinity Linden: we can refer to the diagrams
[9:32] Locklainn Linden: awesome
[9:32] Infinity Linden: (actually it was done in Keynote)
[9:32] Infinity Linden: 'cause i'm a Mac bigot
[9:32] Locklainn Linden: something viewable on Windows?
[9:33] Tao Takashi: upload it to slideshare :)
[9:33] Infinity Linden: and some day.. i'm gonna learn how to use that in-world viewer thing over there
[9:33] Saijanai Kuhn: its PP cexporting, right?
[9:33] Tao Takashi: here are mine: [1]
[9:33] Infinity Linden: i think i can export to PP and to PDF
[9:33] Infinity Linden: cool
[9:33] Tao Takashi: also my presentation about pyogp I gave at EuroPython
[9:33] Infinity Linden: so
[9:33] Infinity Linden: while the slides are uploading
[9:34] Infinity Linden: why don't i suggest a reason for this meeting
[9:34] Infinity Linden: simply...
[9:34] Infinity Linden: python + OGP = nougatty goodness
[9:34] Infinity Linden: and what are we all working on to brew up the goodiness?
[9:34] Tao Takashi: that's already given by the python part ;-)
[9:35] Infinity Linden: well... i would never argue with the prevailing wizdom of PyTHON > Ruby
[9:35] Locklainn Linden: haha
[9:35] Tao Takashi: somebody actually should also do a rubyOGP lib
[9:36] Tao Takashi: not me though
[9:36] Infinity Linden: (but i do come from the Smalltalk world, so every now and again i'm required to say "oh... Smalltalk did that in 1487" or something
[9:36] Locklainn Linden: so what is on the agenda for day 1?
[9:36] Tao Takashi: maybe, but not as good because otherwise we all would use smalltalk, right? ;-)
[9:37] Infinity Linden: nah.. Smalltalk's learning curve is nearly verticle
[9:37] Infinity Linden: so
[9:37] Tao Takashi: and btw, we had Alan Kay giving a keynote 2 years ago at EuroPython
[9:37] Infinity Linden: i was thinking we go around
[9:37] Infinity Linden: and just mention what we're working on, what we think we'll get don in 24-48 hours and what we're blocked on
[9:37] Infinity Linden: so
[9:37] Infinity Linden: if I were to go first
[9:38] Infinity Linden: i would say
[9:38] Tao Takashi: interesting timeframe. you know that I also have a day job? ;-)
[9:38] Infinity Linden: "ive' been drawing pretty pictures and looking at the existing code"
[9:38] Tao Takashi: but as long as you do it, I am ok :)
[9:38] Infinity Linden: lol
[9:38] Infinity Linden: day job?
[9:38] Infinity Linden: oh
[9:38] Tao Takashi: but of course we are open to be contracted by LL ;-)
[9:39] Infinity Linden: fortunately for our fiscal health
[9:39] Infinity Linden: they don't let me sign checks
[9:39] Infinity Linden: okay
[9:39] Locklainn Linden: haha
[9:39] Locklainn Linden: hows the learning of the code going infinity?
[9:39] Infinity Linden: good point... how often do you hop into the code
[9:39] Infinity Linden: i mean
[9:39] Infinity Linden: we're not trying to be slave drivers
[9:39] Infinity Linden: but we really want this to be a community effort
[9:40] Saijanai Kuhn: For the audience: [2]
[9:40] Tao Takashi: that's why I am writing so much docs
[9:41] Infinity Linden: the idea behind the "round table" format is to let everyone know what's going on
[9:41] Infinity Linden: but
[9:41] Infinity Linden: lemme continue for the moment
[9:41] Infinity Linden: in the next 24 hours i'm gonna look at PyUNIT and make sure it's as similar to SUnit as folk have been telling me
[9:42] Infinity Linden: and refactor some of the code into fixtures, suite setup and individual test cases
[9:42] Infinity Linden: and i'm blocked on nothig.
[9:42] Infinity Linden: s/noting/nothing
[9:42] Locklainn Linden: hmm
[9:42] Locklainn Linden: can you go into more dtail about the refactoring and suite setup?
[9:42] Infinity Linden: and i pass the token to Locklainn
[9:43] Locklainn Linden: well, I've been doing a lot of research on the protocols
[9:43] Locklainn Linden: login, presence, UDP pipe
[9:43] Locklainn Linden: and have been working on the wiki to make everything we need to be centrally located
[9:43] Locklainn Linden: on our Pyogp wiki
[9:43] Tao Takashi: I am still wondering how you want to do the test fixture stuff of remote components
[9:44] Infinity Linden: hmm... i have a very vague diagram that will either answer that question or cause much confusion
[9:44] Infinity Linden: cool LL..
[9:45] Infinity Linden: are you blocked on anything?
[9:45] Locklainn Linden: well, only on working on the code with 4 other people
[9:45] Locklainn Linden: I feel that if I work on the code, others will and we will break stuff
[9:45] Locklainn Linden: I feel we need some coding plan
[9:45] Locklainn Linden: or coordination
[9:45] Enus Linden: agreed there lock
[9:45] Infinity Linden: okay... let's get back to that after the 'round the table
[9:46] Locklainn Linden: ok
[9:46] Infinity Linden: so pass the token to Tao
[9:46] Tao Takashi: I was just deblocked by getting access to the repo
[9:46] Infinity Linden: and Tao... use whatever time horizon makes sense to you
[9:46] Locklainn Linden: haha
[9:46] Tao Takashi: but now I need to get all the code in sync
[9:46] Infinity Linden: yip!
[9:46] Tao Takashi: what I have now is one test setup for the lib which basically tests login (as in login.txt)
[9:47] Tao Takashi: and I tried to find out how to test it without the need to run a server
[9:47] Infinity Linden: i might try to answer that question
[9:47] Tao Takashi: I also played around with grok for doing component registration which I think would be the best solution
[9:47] Infinity Linden: is that WRT the ZCA stuff?
[9:48] Infinity Linden: WRT == With Respect To
[9:48] Tao Takashi: well, I defined a network layer which can be exchanged for tests to do not networking but return some stuff from a WSGI app
[9:48] Tao Takashi: yes, that was wrt ZCA
[9:48] Infinity Linden: great!
[9:48] Tao Takashi: as describe in part 4 of my tutorial
[9:48] Infinity Linden: uh oh... i'm feeling a bit behind the times
[9:48] Infinity Linden: i haven't seen the tutorial
[9:48] Locklainn Linden: i just put his tutorial on the wiki
[9:48] Tao Takashi: so my personal plan would be to get the test in there, show the networking lib and convert things to use grok
[9:48] Infinity Linden: cool
[9:48] Locklainn Linden: it went acrossed the mailing list
[9:49] Locklainn Linden: across*
[9:49] Tao Takashi: it's also on the mailing list and I started a new link collection page on the wiki which also has it
[9:49] Infinity Linden: cool
[9:49] Tao Takashi: [3]
[9:49] Tao Takashi: so add links to it if you find some more :)
[9:49] Tao Takashi: the question is of course how we work together on all those fronts
[9:49] Locklainn Linden: ok
[9:50] Locklainn Linden: yes
[9:50] Locklainn Linden: it is
[9:50] Tao Takashi: branches come to mind but we can discuss this later
[9:50] Infinity Linden: cool
[9:50] Tao Takashi: I pass on then :)
[9:50] Infinity Linden: let's pass to
[9:50] Infinity Linden: h
[9:50] Infinity Linden: uh
[9:50] Enus Linden: i go i go
[9:50] Locklainn Linden: haha
[9:50] Infinity Linden: is that Cipher Hak
[9:50] Infinity Linden: ?
[9:50] Cipher Hak: waves
[9:50] Tao Takashi: is somebody actually taking notes and posting it to the list?
[9:50] Enus Linden: i have not much to add though. i'm back from 2 weeks vaca, i have that much time's effort to catch up on
[9:51] Infinity Linden: you want in on the PyOGP goodiness?
[9:51] Enus Linden: i'll post this transcript
[9:51] Enus Linden: and will boil it down to bullet points
[9:51] Infinity Linden: cool
[9:51] Tao Takashi: I mean besides the transcript ;-)
[9:51] Tao Takashi: ok, cool
[9:51] Enus Linden: coordinating work: first we need to flush out the roadmap
[9:51] Movies1963 Beck: I want to report a bug
[9:51] Infinity Linden: and we should try to keep track of our "unanswered quetsions"
[9:51] Infinity Linden: ee
[9:51] Infinity Linden: eek
[9:51] Infinity Linden: Movies...
[9:51] Locklainn Linden: I started something related to that
[9:51] Enus Linden: i saw
[9:51] Infinity Linden: is this a bug with respect to OGP?
[9:51] Movies1963 Beck: infinity
[9:51] Enus Linden: will get up to date on it
[9:52] Movies1963 Beck: it's a bug related to every last one of you Lindens
[9:52] Enus Linden: and once the roadmap is clearish, we can track work in jira
[9:52] Enus Linden: pjira
[9:52] Enus Linden: chttp, mulib, etc, have project level entries in pjira
[9:52] Enus Linden: pyogp ought to as well
[9:52] Movies1963 Beck: in all your profiles it says what you arent here for, try putting in info has to what you are here for and what you will do
[9:52] Tao Takashi: too bad we need to use all those slow systems ;-)
[9:52] Enus Linden: for bug tyracking
[9:52] Enus Linden: and for work tracking
[9:53] Infinity Linden: okay... i'll take that as an action item
[9:53] Infinity Linden: maybe even to the point of "get a real PM for PyOGP"
[9:53] Infinity Linden: uh... now that i said that...
[9:53] Infinity Linden: Enus... do you know if we have a PM for PyOGP?
[9:53] Tao Takashi: I am not sure if open source really is about having a PM ;-)
[9:53] Infinity Linden: And Movies... i haven't forgotten about you...
[9:53] Enus Linden: we don't really, i thin ki kinda serve that role
[9:54] Infinity Linden: just need to make sure this is the right forum
[9:54] Infinity Linden: oh... okay
[9:54] Tao Takashi: but you can have one internally of course :)
[9:54] Infinity Linden: then I assign the task to you! bwa ha ha ha! and laugh menacingly
[9:54] Saijanai Kuhn: quick interupt: will this be posted as a chat log?
[9:54] Movies1963 Beck: trust me infinity I'm a New Yorker, I wont let you forget about me
[9:54] Locklainn Linden: sai, yes
[9:54] Saijanai Kuhn: KK
[9:54] Locklainn Linden: so eunus,
[9:54] Enus Linden: so lock
[9:54] Locklainn Linden: what sort of stuff do you think we should flesh out
[9:55] Tao Takashi: oh, I actually am blocked ;-)
[9:55] Locklainn Linden: for the roadmap at this point
[9:55] Tao Takashi: I just remember my problems connecting to sim1 and sim2 of your test regions to send a rez_avatar to those
[9:55] Infinity Linden: okay.. i'll volunteer to try to whip everyone's entries into some form of wholistic something or other
[9:55] Enus Linden: lemme get back to you on that tomorrow lock. i am a bit distanced at this point. at a high level , i'd like milestones, with high level tasks that make up the milestone
[9:56] Enus Linden: below that, details that equate to tasks
[9:56] Locklainn Linden: awesome
[9:56] Infinity Linden: Enus... let's try to coordinate on that
[9:56] Enus Linden: that can be distributed to names
[9:56] Locklainn Linden: exactly
[9:56] Infinity Linden: 'cause i'm gonna be working with Zero on what comes next
[9:56] Enus Linden: i agree infinity
[9:56] Infinity Linden: so
[9:56] Locklainn Linden: is that something we should start on tomorrow?
[9:56] Locklainn Linden: very high level-ish?
[9:56] Infinity Linden: in terms of OGP docs
[9:56] Tao Takashi: get pyogp finished
[9:56] Locklainn Linden: haha
[9:57] Infinity Linden: lol.. i think there's a dependency on OGP being finished
[9:57] Enus Linden: true infinity, OGP docs feed pyogp
[9:57] Infinity Linden: okay... Enus.. is that enough for yer standup?
[9:57] Locklainn Linden: right, but we plan on using Pyogp for legacy stuff too?
[9:57] Tao Takashi: which reminds me of an OGP mailing list
[9:57] Enus Linden: yeah, i am blocked by myself
[9:57] Enus Linden: and will be better off tomorrow
[9:57] Enus Linden: :D
[9:58] Infinity Linden: ooo... sounds like an architectural.. high level question
[9:58] Movies1963 Beck: to much beer over the weekend eh Enus?
[9:58] Enus Linden: none in fact
[9:58] Movies1963 Beck: I'll drink to that then
[9:58] Enus Linden: just not been on the computer properly for a few weeks
[9:58] Infinity Linden: i know that one of our goals for OGP is to have it be complete enough that someone could take just that doc and create a viewer, agent domain or region with it
[9:58] Cipher Hak: is temporarily out of service (afk)
[9:58] Infinity Linden: but yeah
[9:59] Infinity Linden: we're going to have do a lot of work before we can excise all legacy code
[9:59] Infinity Linden: so
[9:59] Infinity Linden: who's next?
[9:59] Infinity Linden: remember
[9:59] Infinity Linden: if you raise your hand
[9:59] Infinity Linden: we make you write python code
[9:59] Tao Takashi: IIRC Locklainn and I discussed this once on IRC and the idea was to first implement legacy stuff in pyogp.lib and then move it out to pyogp.legacy if OGP matures and replaces parts
[9:59] Infinity Linden: cool
[10:00] Infinity Linden: Tao, Lochlainn : +1
[10:00] Tao Takashi: and mark it as deprecated and to be removed in the overnext release of pyogp
[10:00] Infinity Linden: eek
[10:00] Tao Takashi: if we should have releases but I guess we should ;-)
[10:00] Infinity Linden: i'm getting a nearly irrisitable pull
[10:00] Infinity Linden: away from this meeting
[10:00] Infinity Linden: (i.e. - my boss is calling)
[10:00] Infinity Linden: Sai...
[10:00] Tao Takashi: well, not removing it completely from pyogp but before it moves from lib to legacy
[10:01] Infinity Linden: you wanna go real quick?
[10:01] Infinity Linden: or Tessa?
[10:01] Saijanai Kuhn: K, I'll go next. I'm not doing anything save learning the high-level tools and procedures. ANd I thin we're all blocked concerning things like TP
[10:01] Infinity Linden: 'k
[10:01] Infinity Linden: i've run out of time
[10:01] Enus Linden: me too.
[10:01] Tao Takashi: in general we are of coursed always blocked by OGP progress (or actually no-progress)
[10:01] Infinity Linden: can we meet tomorrow same time? same place?
[10:01] Locklainn Linden: sure
[10:01] Enus Linden: will post transcript and bullet points showrtly
[10:01] Infinity Linden: and pick up some of the discussion on IIRC
[10:02] Saijanai Kuhn: what about groupies meeting?
[10:02] Infinity Linden: wikked
[10:02] Xavier Irwin: is this a scheduled linden meeting? sorry
[10:02] Infinity Linden: and Movies
[10:02] Tao Takashi: please put those discussions also on the list
[10:02] Enus Linden: do we have an SL pyogp group yet?
[10:02] Infinity Linden: can i offer you a rain check
[10:02] Tessa Harrington: I'm just easedropping
[10:02] Infinity Linden: for like an hour or so
[10:02] Infinity Linden: in the future?
[10:02] Tessa Harrington: but thanks INfinity
[10:02] Tao Takashi: I am out of groups.. ;-)
[10:02] Locklainn Linden: we dont have Pyogp group
[10:02] Infinity Linden: lol
[10:02] Tessa Harrington: why dont' they increase grouops?
[10:02] Tao Takashi: add it to the AWGroupies group
[10:02] Tessa Harrington: 25 is simply not enough
[10:02] Infinity Linden: you want i should hack the server to support more groups?
[10:03] Second Life: You have left the group 'Mono Beta'.
[10:03] Warthog Jun: yes that would be nice thank you
[10:03] Infinity Linden: okay... my boss is getting impatient
[10:03] Aimee Trescothick: everyone wants one more, so make it 26 and they'll all be happy ;)
[10:03] Infinity Linden: gotta run
[10:03] Xavier Irwin: is this on [4]
[10:03] Infinity Linden: thanks everyone for showing up!!!
[10:03] Saijanai Kuhn: take care infinity
[10:03] Tessa Harrington: nooo 50 mores!
[10:03] Locklainn Linden: bye everyone
[10:03] Tessa Harrington: ty infinity
[10:03] Tao Takashi: Xavier: It's on here: [5]
[10:03] Tao Takashi: ty Infinity
[10:03] Xavier Irwin: so its not an office hour?
[10:04] Locklainn Linden: its a project meeting
[10:04] Saijanai Kuhn: special coders session for a project
[10:04] Xavier Irwin: right
[10:04] Xavier Irwin: ty
[10:04] Tao Takashi: we are the special coders then I guess ;-)
[10:04] Saijanai Kuhn: anyone is welcome to join
[10:04] Aimee Trescothick: it was an hour in an office, well, 1/2 hour :D
[10:04] Locklainn Linden: ok, time to eat and code up the packet stuff
[10:04] Tao Takashi: wait Locklainn! :)
[10:04] Warthog Jun: and I thought maybe a presentation
[10:04] Tao Takashi: I quickly want to check with you regarding checkins
[10:04] Enus Linden: I still need to set up an office hours for this i spose... weekly mtg as opposed to the daily huddle
[10:04] Enus Linden: could i take this time slot on friday and extend it?
[10:05] Locklainn Linden: isn't that on fridays at some time?
[10:05] Movies1963 Beck: here's a new rule
[10:05] Locklainn Linden: sure
[10:05] Enus Linden: rockin
[10:05] Enus Linden: will make it so
[10:05] Movies1963 Beck: no more posting office hours in a wiki, they are to be posted in here
[10:05] Tao Takashi: what I would do is to update the whole project to use grok and add my network layer and test
[10:05] Tao Takashi: is this ok?
[10:05] Locklainn Linden: hmm
[10:05] Enus Linden: i don't grok grok
[10:05] Locklainn Linden: I don't know ahything about grok
[10:05] Tessa Harrington: Beck ... are you trying to be harrassing in tone? or it that just a natural ailment of yours?
[10:05] Tao Takashi: did you read part 4?
[10:05] Tessa Harrington: ;p
[10:06] Locklainn Linden: just finished 3
[10:06] Enus Linden: i've read little lately
[10:06] Miche Rainbow: lmao
[10:06] Movies1963 Beck: no Tessa, I'm just making new rules
[10:06] Locklainn Linden: haha
[10:06] Enus Linden: will brush up
[10:06] Xavier Irwin: pfft
[10:06] Tao Takashi: ok, part 4 explains grok :)
[10:06] Saijanai Kuhn: sighs
[10:06] Enus Linden: ty tao
[10:06] Locklainn Linden: is t his something we should talk about before we incorporate it?
[10:06] Tessa Harrington: well hmmm seems that if you were in charge that kinda statment might be appropriate
[10:06] Movies1963 Beck: I am in charge
[10:06] Miche Rainbow: lmao
[10:06] Tao Takashi: It's not really difficult, you simply replace e.g. implents by grok.implents and this will do the registration automatically for you
[10:06] Enus Linden: movies, wher should office hours be posted?
[10:06] Tessa Harrington: but seeingyou aren't then it does seem terribly inappropriate .. remember delivery is EVERYTHING
[10:06] Movies1963 Beck: somewhere in your search
[10:06] Enus Linden: in your opinion?
[10:07] Tao Takashi: the alternative to this is using some XML syntax to do registration. IMHO keeping it in Python is easier
[10:07] Movies1963 Beck: a spacific area
[10:07] Tao Takashi: I can also do this in a branch
[10:07] Locklainn Linden: isn't that what ZCA was for?
[10:07] Enus Linden: that kinda makes sense, but it's not a grid wide thing is it? i suppose events could contain such things
[10:07] Tao Takashi: registration is part for ZCA. Right now we use things like registerAdapter()
[10:07] Enus Linden: but maintaining events is tiresome imo
[10:07] Movies1963 Beck: it should be it's own drop down in the events tab
[10:07] Tao Takashi: but we use this at impor time which is problematic
[10:07] Tao Takashi: import
[10:07] Locklainn Linden: hmm
[10:08] Locklainn Linden: then its import-order dependant?
[10:08] Locklainn Linden: right?
[10:08] Tao Takashi: as not everything needed might be imported and the order of imports is important then
[10:08] Tao Takashi: yes
[10:08] Locklainn Linden: hmm
[10:08] Movies1963 Beck: how is it any less tireingto post in a wiki then under events?
[10:08] Tao Takashi: so it might override something which you don't want to get overridden
[10:08] Locklainn Linden: right
[10:08] Tao Takashi: ZCML (the XML syntax) and grok both have conflict resolution
[10:08] Tao Takashi: so this won't happen
[10:08] Enus Linden: seems reasonable, but there are better forums for raising this sorta thing movies...
[10:09] Locklainn Linden: hmmm, Tao, we might want to discuss this with Enus and Infinity before you just do it though
[10:09] Movies1963 Beck: I've run out of patents trying to raise points
[10:09] Tao Takashi: grok does not mean big changes except that we remover registerAdapter() etc. and let grok "grok" the module which means that it finds those utilities and adapters automatically
[10:09] Tao Takashi: and we mark them as such by deriving from grok.Adapter and grok.GlobalUtility
[10:09] Tao Takashi: ok
[10:09] Tao Takashi: I will do it in a branch then
[10:10] Locklainn Linden: hmm
[10:10] Locklainn Linden: maybe we can discuss it tomorrow
[10:10] Locklainn Linden: so that you dont have to branch just yet
[10:10] Saijanai Kuhn: irc://irc.freenode.com/#pyogp and https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pyogp
[10:10] Saijanai Kuhn: https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pyogp
[10:10] Tao Takashi: what's so bad about a branch? That's what they are meant for ;-)
[10:10] Locklainn Linden: haha
[10:11] Tao Takashi: either we throw it away then or we merge it
[10:11] Movies1963 Beck: I'd raise my points in your offices during office hours but I can't find them listed here in SL and I refuse to look in a wiki for something that belongs in here
[10:11] Locklainn Linden: that is something that is a part of the whole code
[10:11] Locklainn Linden: so we might as well settle is ASAP
[10:11] Locklainn Linden: so we don't have to change everything later
[10:11] Tao Takashi: sure, but I could eventually go on coding
[10:11] Tao Takashi: of course we should settle it asap
[10:11] Tao Takashi: but I can then go on this evening :)
[10:11] Locklainn Linden: maybe on irc now then?
[10:11] Miche Rainbow: i'll remember that logic when i barge into MS headquarters for not making windows vista up to my specs movies
[10:11] Miche Rainbow: lol
[10:12] Tao Takashi: I want to get my mess sorted out and you might have an example in that branch which shows how it looks
[10:12] Tao Takashi: like
[10:12] Movies1963 Beck: good idea Miche
[10:12] Locklainn Linden: right
[10:12] Locklainn Linden: how much code change is it?
[10:12] Tao Takashi: it removed the registrations, changes the superclass of 2 adapters and replaces implements and adapts by grok.implements and grok.context
[10:12] Tao Takashi: so not really that much
[10:13] Tessa Harrington: yep .. mICHE .... harrassing tone is his default setting it would see. Care to dismantle him and try and reset that? mULHAHAHAH
[10:13] Locklainn Linden: hmm
[10:13] Locklainn Linden: well then
[10:13] Locklainn Linden: I say you just do it so we can keep moving with code
[10:13] Locklainn Linden: and refactor it out if we decide otherwise
[10:13] Tao Takashi: as said, I will do it on a branch and we can simply remove it then
[10:14] Locklainn Linden: ok
[10:14] Tao Takashi: in the next 2-3 days or so
[10:14] Locklainn Linden: right
[10:14] Tao Takashi: or maybe even just 1
[10:14] Locklainn Linden: hopefuly we can discuss it tomorrow
[10:14] Locklainn Linden: so we can settle it
[10:14] Movies1963 Beck: Tessa if you had a clue about me you'd still be lost but that's ok, if you'd like to know what I'm really thinking just ask
[10:14] Tao Takashi: but we definitely need something different than we have now
[10:14] Tao Takashi: like either XML or grok
[10:14] Tao Takashi: so we can circumvent conflicts
[10:14] Locklainn Linden: could you post a high-level to the mailing list?
[10:14] Tao Takashi: and surprises
[10:15] Tao Takashi: part 4 is it ;-)
[10:15] Locklainn Linden: i mean, with other options and the like
[10:15] Miche Rainbow: i think you're lost in knowing you Movie
[10:15] Miche Rainbow: ...
[10:15] Tao Takashi: well, part 4 describes what we have now, how you do it in XML and how you do it in grok
[10:15] Tao Takashi: with grok
[10:15] Movies1963 Beck: Miche I didn't ask you
[10:15] Locklainn Linden: oh ok
[10:15] Miche Rainbow: i know you didn't
[10:15] Movies1963 Beck: I'll tell you your opinion when I want it
[10:15] Locklainn Linden: then I'll just email the list saying to read part 4 before the meeting, cuz it will be discussed
[10:15] Locklainn Linden: good?
[10:15] Tessa Harrington: *sigh*
[10:15] Tao Takashi: yep
[10:15] Locklainn Linden: awesome
[10:16] Tessa Harrington: drama .. drama ..drama
[10:16] Movies1963 Beck: Hoooo !!
[10:16] Squirrel Wood: drama? where?
[10:16] Enus Linden: moviews, tessa, please take all this elsewhere in the future
[10:17] Tessa Harrington: Yes Sir .. sorry . didnt' mean to start this
[10:17] Aimee Trescothick: hands around cookies on the condition that everyone plays nice and sticks to the business in hand
[10:17] Enus Linden: thanks for the time tao, lock, all
[10:17] Enus Linden: gotta run
[10:17] Locklainn Linden: np enus
[10:17] Locklainn Linden: see ya tomorrow
[10:18] Enus Linden: will post transcript and some kinda boildown in a lil while
[10:18] Saijanai Kuhn: Take care Enus. So.. office hours at same time, but on fridays?
[10:18] Enus Linden: yep sai. will formalize today
[10:18] Saijanai Kuhn: KK.
[10:18] Locklainn Linden: bye everyone
[10:18] Locklainn Linden: and thanks
[10:18] Aimee Trescothick: bye
[10:18] Tao Takashi: cya!
[10:18] Tao Takashi: ok, off for coding
[10:19] Saijanai Kuhn: officiallyy ended transcript