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State of office hours Google Calender?

Does anyone know the current state of the office hours Google Calender, was the template for this ever completed? Thanxarama! Gnomey 10:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

The template was completed and it was working until the most recent time shift. Then Technocrati decided to change parts of their infrastructure and broke the feature that parsed the Wiki page to turn it into a feed. Marv picked it up and is letting it run on his server now, but a current bug in the code is making it not convert timezones... However, you can subscribe to it nevertheless and get at least the day right at the moment. The link is stored in the shiny blue box on top of the Office Hours page, named iCal. Also every Linden's /Office Hours subpage has such a subscriber link in case you don't want to subscribe to *all* office hours (e.g. User:Simone Linden/Office Hours). Again, additionally, you can make your own customized subscription list (e.g. like User:Zai Lynch/Webcal Feed).
--Zai signature.png (talk|contribs) 00:07, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Huh, I can't believe I missed the calender link at the top. Coolzarama. Do we know what the bug is yet, or is it one of those mysterious things no one knows how to fix? Thanx. -- Gnomey 06:40, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Eeeps, sorry. Missed the reply. It wasn't clear what the caused the problem, but it's fixed now :) Time conversion is adjusted in gCal :-) --Zai signature.png (talk|contribs) 18:46, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Awesomeness! Probably my fault, I think I saved the page as a minor edit. :/ Thx - Gnome Inkpen
Nah, not your fault :-) I usually catch up with all recent changes, though am quite swamped in RL currently and therefor got less time to stay in the loop. So no worries :)
--Zai signature.png (talk|contribs) 18:44, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


New Suggestion: Lindens displayed in day order?

Just wondering if this page or maybe a new page should be set up on the wiki to show a day order linden office hours e.g. Lindens who have their office hours on monday then below that show lindens who have it on tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday and saturday and sunday? --Daniel Voyager 09:55, 15th July 2008 (PST)

Like this? (I'm not sure if it's up to date tho... needs more maintenance then the other, I guess) --Zai Lynch 10:41, 15 July 2008 (PDT)


Hmm, yes like that. However it would be great to have a Teen Office Hours/By day wiki page. With it not all mixed in the the main grid office hours/By day page. Also to LINK the pages together with the main office hours page, that would be good too. --Daniel Voyager 11:44am SLT, 15th July 2008 (PST)

Well, you're basically free to create new pages in case you're missing something. So I compiled a quick list over here. Would need someone who takes care that it remains up-to-date tho ;-)
--Zai Lynch 11:58, 15 July 2008 (PDT)
I can help keep track since I have all the office hour templates in my watch list. --JetZep Zabelin 18:08, 17 July 2008 (PDT)

I agree to redesign this page, linking to by-day subpages (MG+TG), so to avoid out-of-sync issues.

Since the feature has been requested over a month ago without any opposition, implementation will proceed immediately :-P

-SignpostMarv Martin 10:33, 23 July 2008 (PDT)

I'm checking right now if main page and MG-by-day page are in-sync --oobscure 10:36, 23 July 2008 (PDT)
ok, after some updating all MG entries from Office_Hours are also in Office_Hours/By_Day


Google Calendar

There's this "somewhat out-of-date" google calendar which is helpful. Do you know who is maintaining that calendar? I can help update this, as I am maintaining my own google calendar (public) and have the current user office hour pages in my watch list. --JetZep Zabelin 18:38, 5 October 2007 (PDT)

Here is a link to my publicly available calender of the Linden's office hours http://www.google.com/calendar/render?cid=c2g7djaua9j4he8c6d0iu7n7k8%40group.calendar.google.com. --JetZep Zabelin 17:33, 18 November 2007 (PST)
Thanx JetZep! Pathfinder Linden is the creator of the original Linden Office Hours calendar. I think we need a more collectively-update-able one... ah what the hey, I put your GCal on the main page. Thanx! --Torley Linden 09:38, 11 December 2007 (PST)
Strife is investigating a bug in Template:HCalendar event. Once this bug is fixed, it will render both google calendars obsolete, so I'd prefer if the that no GCals be linked on the front page.
The reason it will make the use of a separate GCal obsolete is that the wiki article can be used as an iCal feed (via some XSLT magic).
SignpostMarv Martin 12:00, 11 December 2007 (PST)
I am? Could you point me to where I committed to this, I'm pulling a blank. I'm not doubting you I just don't remember this. -- Strife Onizuka 12:16, 11 December 2007 (PST)
SignpostMarv, this is exactly what I was hoping we could do. Can you remember, Strife? =D --JetZep Zabelin 14:40, 11 December 2007 (PST)
Thanks Torley, I know it helps people find an office hour that works for them especially if they already use Gcal. I have to update the calendar manually and so I agree it would be even better if Template:HCalendar event was working (Whats wrong with it anyway?) --JetZep Zabelin 14:38, 11 December 2007 (PST)
I'm not famliar with the background of Template:HCalendar event *goes to learn more* but at first blush, it sounds like a better approach in the future. Let's go for it if it makes finding Office Hours effectively easier for newer & more experienced Resis alike! --Torley Linden 16:51, 11 December 2007 (PST)
Strife: User talk:Strife Onizuka#assistance on a wiki template
Torley: the hCalender event template (and any sub-templates) use a microformat called hCalendar
SignpostMarv Martin 17:25, 11 December 2007 (PST)
Kuraiko spent some time on it and came up with User:Kuraiko_Yoshikawa/sandbox/. Would it solve the problem?
--Zai Lynch(talk|contribs) 01:04, 20 May 2008 (PDT)
I've been keeping my calendar up to date as best as I can which is pretty easy since there's hardly any changes, but it would be nice if it this automated calendar was working. =) --JetZep Zabelin 11:56, 15 July 2008 (PDT)

I haven't been able to keep this up to date, so I'm sorry I think I should remove the links. If we could get a google calender updated automatically through Template:HCalendar event, that would be best. --JetZep Zabelin 16:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Seems the calendar still need sometime to be automated, How about let some people edit your office hour calendar? Google calendar has share function. You can set the permission from "Share this calendar" tab. "Make change to events" or "Make changes AND manage sharing" would be work. Try adding me for test: "Nock.Forager at gmail.com". -- Nock Forager 02:24, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
That's a good idea. However, I didnt see this message until now. Looks like Zai is working on the calfeed. If it helps to have access to my google calender, just let me know, I'm willing to share access with established volunteers. --JetZep Zabelin 15:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
The new template system allows for automated iCal feed generation, so a separately maintained Google calendar isn't needed any more- thanks for your prior work on maintaining the gcal though!
SignpostMarv Martin 10:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

As far as i understood it so far, the date and time of these Office Hours would need to be converted into a special format to be automatically imported into a google calendar. This seems to be a big problem with the regular wiki template syntax. I heard that this wouldn't be so much of a problem if there would be the possibility to use PHP. With Extension:Widget, there is now some sort of PHP available (smarty PHP). Now I'm wondering: Can this somehow be used to turn the OHs into a Google calendar? Once that happened, we could use the Google Calendar widget to show them here again.
Zai signature.png Lynch (talk|contribs) 15:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

The problem is a usability one with the template, mainly. Forcing Lindens to log in every week to update the office hours with the fully-qualified dates would be an impossible task, so I've been trying to figure out how to get the template to play nice with shorthand dates. Which results in FAIL because with shorthand dates, MediaWiki won't pick up the timezone specified, resulting in the event having the wrong time- 6pm GMT instead of 6pm PD/ST, for example.
SignpostMarv Martin 02:08, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I've now eliminated one problem, but there's another problem- finding a geek-fu means of displaying the right time.
SignpostMarv Martin 02:30, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Short-hand dates means something like: every monday at 2 PM SLT?
Isn't it possible to just set an offset of some hours? I'm doing that at the CountDown template.
Zai signature.png Lynch (talk|contribs) 02:04, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Hrm ?
SignpostMarv Martin 03:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Bugs are mostly fixxorz now, worst-case scenario, the Linden has to edit the template after their last office hours during each month.
SignpostMarv Martin 04:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Note that the above worst-case scenario has long-since been circumvented ^_^
SignpostMarv Martin 13:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

New Style & Features

It's suggested that the Office Hours page will get an overhaul on March 1st 2009. Benefit of the new page is, that it features a webcal feed and can be integrated in Google calendars (and such) for automatic updates. Also a twitter bot is already twittering.
It can be seen at Office Hours/By Day2 as well as Office_Hours/MG2, Office Hours/TG2 and others.
It requires a new procedure to set up office hours which is described at Template:Office Hours/Documentation. All current office hours are already transfered to the new format. In case you got reasonable objections against this procedure, please name your concerns now so they can be discussed before the deploy.
Greetz, Zai signature.png Lynch (talk|contribs) 12:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Since no objections were raised, the shift to the new format took place today. Zai signature.png Lynch (talk|contribs) 18:02, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

gCal Bug

The gCal import seems to have a problem... For example, Meta Linden and Pathfinder Linden are missing, when you import via the provided URL. However, this seems to be a problem that occurs either on Technocrati's or Googles side, rather than on ours, since 30boxes.com is importing the feed correctly... Ideas?
Zai signature.png Lynch (talk|contribs) 01:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Removing existing entries

Periapse Linden suspended his office hours, so I deleted his office hours template. This page appears correct now, but I'm not sure about the appropriate process to follow in such cases. I'm watching the pages - feel free to correct/restore if I did it wrong. --oobscure 22:19, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Yepp, was correct (Template:Office Hours/Documentation#How to remove an Office Hour). It will leave an artefact at Office Hours/Friday/MG, though that one doesn't harm to much. Can occasionally clean these up. :-)
--Zai signature.png (talk|contribs) 22:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

History Notice

The edit history of this file couldn't be preserved. For the previous history, please look at the old backup. It is located at Project:Flagged Revs Backup/Office Hours. --Khepri Contractor 02:15, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

It should be possible to merge the old and new history of the page. See MediaWiki Administrator Handbook on "Edit History" and Wikipedia's How to fix cut-and-paste moves > Repair process (for admins). Whether it's worth the hassle (and risks), I cannot tell.
--Boroondas Gupte 10:52, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Replied at Talk:Style Guide#History Notice. --Khepri Contractor 12:06, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Office Hours are now User Groups

Please see Linden Lab Official:User Groups for current information.

--Rand Linden 14:51, 28 March 2011 (PDT)