User:Andrew Linden/Office Hours/2009 12 08

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  • [2009/12/08 10:59] JBot 2.0: Welcome to Andrew and Simon Linden's Office Hour
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  • [2009/12/08 11:00] Simon Linden: What's the JBot ?
  • [2009/12/08 11:00] Johan Laurasia: something I've been working on for ages
  • [2009/12/08 11:00] Kaluura Boa: Rez, rez, rez
  • [2009/12/08 11:00] Johan Laurasia: lol
  • [2009/12/08 11:00] Arawn Spitteler: It' is time, for Andrew to be tardy; Hi, Simon, et al
  • [2009/12/08 11:00] Johan Laurasia: he's a greeter of sorts.
  • [2009/12/08 11:00] Ardy Lay: Hi
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  • [2009/12/08 11:01] JBot 2.0: Welcome to Andrew and Simon Linden's Office Hour
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  • [2009/12/08 11:01] Simon Linden: I see ... yes, Andrew is going to be late. He's working on a fix for a linking bug in 1.34
  • [2009/12/08 11:01] JBot 2.0: Thank you Arawn Spitteler. !
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  • [2009/12/08 11:01] Kaluura Boa: AV traffic jam...
  • [2009/12/08 11:01] Rex Cronon: hello everybody
  • [2009/12/08 11:01] Rex's greeter says: Hello Skalli, Arcane, Kaluura, Luci, Johan, Arawn, LSL, Cerdita, Simon, and Ardy.
  • [2009/12/08 11:01] Johan Laurasia: you setup waypoints, and he follows from waypoint to waypoint, and when he gets within 10 meters of an avie, he moves to them, greets, and gives a gift if that's turned on, and then returns to his patrol
  • [2009/12/08 11:01] Luci Koenkamp: will he be much later?
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  • [2009/12/08 11:01] Simon Linden: I'm not sure
  • [2009/12/08 11:01] Skalli McMillan: hi @ all
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  • [2009/12/08 11:02] Arawn Spitteler: Hi, Rex
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  • [2009/12/08 11:02] Johan Laurasia: heh, he's never been around this many ppl
  • [2009/12/08 11:02] Rex Cronon: hiiii
  • [2009/12/08 11:02] Luci Koenkamp: wooow
  • [2009/12/08 11:02] Kaluura Boa: My eyes!
  • [2009/12/08 11:02] Simon Linden: OK, annoucements ... server 1.34 is in a pilot roll this morning, but will probably get one more fix before full rollout to the grid
  • [2009/12/08 11:02] Rex Cronon: is this thing filming me:)
  • [2009/12/08 11:03] Luci Koenkamp: light spam lol
  • [2009/12/08 11:03] Arawn Spitteler: Pilot roll to Agni?
  • [2009/12/08 11:03] Johan Laurasia: lol, nope, havent coded that part yet... (har!)
  • [2009/12/08 11:03] Simon Linden: Yes, 200 regions on Agni
  • [2009/12/08 11:03] Arcane Laval: Hi all :)
  • [2009/12/08 11:03] Rex Cronon: hi
  • [2009/12/08 11:04] Simon Linden: The bug is SVC-5082
  • [2009/12/08 11:04] Meeter: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5082
  • [#SVC-5082] Rez Build Failure on 1.34 Beta Server
  • [2009/12/08 11:04] Arawn Spitteler: A problem I see on Aditi, is a lack of railroads. I wonder if we might do a rail system, Agni-side, just so we can have a three sim run Aditi Side
  • [2009/12/08 11:04] Simon Linden: That would be good for testing region crossings
  • [2009/12/08 11:05] Arawn Spitteler: Region Crossings are what should be tested
  • [2009/12/08 11:05] Maggie Darwin: Region crossings don;t need a railroad to test.
  • [2009/12/08 11:05] Simon Linden: Another bit of news (more like gossip) is that I talked with Babbage this morning as he was doing some profiling of rezzing objects with mono scripts. No news as he was deep in it, but it was good to hear that he had time to actively investigate that
  • [2009/12/08 11:05] Arawn Spitteler: Railroads need a region crossing to test
  • [2009/12/08 11:05] Johan Laurasia: make 4 test sims.. Reading, B&O, Short Line and Pennsylvania.
  • [2009/12/08 11:06] Maggie Darwin: Not that I have any objections to having a railroad, mind you.
  • [2009/12/08 11:06] Maggie Darwin: About time. *ahem*
  • [2009/12/08 11:06] Arawn Spitteler: Could we put Crash Corners in the parking lot, in the middle?
  • [2009/12/08 11:08] Simon Linden: That's it for annoucements ... does anyone have topics or questions to bring up?
  • [2009/12/08 11:08] Rex Cronon: i have a question/problem
  • [2009/12/08 11:08] LSL Scientist: is it agains TOS to rez "everything i wear is copybotted"-sign follower above people? Today at LL sandbox, there were 14 people in sim, and 6 of them were wearing only copybotted stuff...
  • [2009/12/08 11:08] Luci Koenkamp: lol
  • [2009/12/08 11:09] Arawn Spitteler: That might be harrassment; AR them first
  • [2009/12/08 11:09] Helena Lycia: Hello. Sorry I'm late
  • [2009/12/08 11:09] Maggie Darwin: I jsut want to mention that VWR-15781 is suspected of server/network involvement
  • [2009/12/08 11:09] Meeter: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-15781
  • [#VWR-15781] Eratic rendering freeze (1-20 sec) on all viewers
  • [2009/12/08 11:09] Rex Cronon: harrasment. lol
  • [2009/12/08 11:09] Simon Linden: I'm not a lawyer or really familiar with the details of the TOS, but I can imagine a follower object might be considered harassing folks
  • [2009/12/08 11:09] Arawn Spitteler: Then, set followers to point them out to hte responding lindens
  • [2009/12/08 11:09] Simon Linden: ARs are probably the 'correct' way to go
  • [2009/12/08 11:09] Rex Cronon: so when they copyboted those things there weren't harrasing others. lol
  • [2009/12/08 11:09] Johan Laurasia: yeah
  • [2009/12/08 11:10] Maggie Darwin: Um, if you know thier names, you hardly need a scripted object to point them out.
  • [2009/12/08 11:10] Simon Linden: No, that's stealing. I think those are different
  • [2009/12/08 11:10] Arawn Spitteler: Don't be silly, Theft and Harrassment are two different crimes
  • [2009/12/08 11:10] Arcane Laval: It's a delicate topic. Do we protect the thieves cause we wanna honour the rules?
  • [2009/12/08 11:10] Arawn Spitteler: If yoiu're only pointing guilty people out to the G-Team, that's not naughty, until warned a third time
  • [2009/12/08 11:10] Johan Laurasia: well, wearing something copybotted doesnt necessarily mean they did the copybotting. Wonder what the TOS rules are on owning a copybotted item (knowingly copied).
  • [2009/12/08 11:11] Rex Cronon: so, if some people come and continually steal form u, u r not being hrrasse:)
  • [2009/12/08 11:11] Rex Cronon: harrassed*
  • [2009/12/08 11:11] Johan Laurasia: heh, seems so at times
  • [2009/12/08 11:11] Simon Linden: IP haunts these meetings
  • [2009/12/08 11:11] Maggie Darwin: G'day Andrew.
  • [2009/12/08 11:11] Luci Koenkamp: hi Andrew
  • [2009/12/08 11:11] Andrew Linden: hello. Sorry I'm late.
  • [2009/12/08 11:11] Rex Cronon: hi
  • [2009/12/08 11:11] Maggie Darwin: IP haunts the net, you kididng?
  • [2009/12/08 11:11] Simon Linden: Ah, hi Andrew
  • [2009/12/08 11:11] Johan Laurasia: do you know why LL drags their feet with copybotters Simon?
  • [2009/12/08 11:11] Arawn Spitteler: If al copybotted items could be replaced with hairy textures, we could call that Hair-Asment
  • [2009/12/08 11:12] Arawn Spitteler: Hi, Andrew
  • [2009/12/08 11:12] Arcane Laval: Hiya
  • [2009/12/08 11:12] Johan Laurasia: it seems to be the biggest complaint amongst content creators in the blogs
  • [2009/12/08 11:12] Simon Linden: Johan - no, I'm not working in that area or familiar with what's going on there
  • [2009/12/08 11:12] Arawn Spitteler: It's also a big worry for opening the grid
  • [2009/12/08 11:12] Helena Lycia: Hello Andrew
  • [2009/12/08 11:12] Maggie Darwin: It's so easy to blame lagging sales on copybots. And as for opening the grid, do you really beleive that will ever happen?
  • [2009/12/08 11:13] Arawn Spitteler: Even IBM Grid can't wear what they buy in this world
  • [2009/12/08 11:13] Rex Cronon: anyway. something weird happpened to me at rausch. i was sitting on a prim. i got killed. i was sent home, and when i returned i was still sitting on the same prim tha i was killed.
  • [2009/12/08 11:13] Rex Cronon: how is that possible?
  • [2009/12/08 11:14] Johan Laurasia: maybe u got shot with a copybot bullet...lol
  • [2009/12/08 11:14] Luisa Bourgoin: it's been your ghost!
  • [2009/12/08 11:14] LSL Scientist: it happens sometimes, also with border cross
  • [2009/12/08 11:14] Arawn Spitteler: You were bedside yourself?
  • [2009/12/08 11:14] Maggie Darwin: Someone put superglue on the prim before you sat
  • [2009/12/08 11:14] Andrew Linden: That is indeed odd.
  • [2009/12/08 11:14] Arawn Spitteler: Did you have a tag?
  • [2009/12/08 11:14] Rex Cronon: lol
  • [2009/12/08 11:14] Johan Laurasia: I've seen that b4
  • [2009/12/08 11:14] Luci Koenkamp: you died and your soul left your body
  • [2009/12/08 11:14] Arawn Spitteler: Was it under 1.34?
  • [2009/12/08 11:14] Johan Laurasia: I've seen phantom avatars in a sim for days
  • [2009/12/08 11:14] Luisa Bourgoin: comoe on don't be silly .. .nobody beliving in ghost avatars
  • [2009/12/08 11:14] Rex Cronon: previous version
  • [2009/12/08 11:14] Andrew Linden: Oh wait... no maybe that isn't so odd.
  • [2009/12/08 11:14] Johan Laurasia: you can see them, and there's a map dot, but they show offline
  • [2009/12/08 11:15] Andrew Linden: Local teleports (within the same region) go through a slightly different code path.
  • [2009/12/08 11:15] Johan Laurasia: so, certain servers think they're on, other's dont
  • [2009/12/08 11:15] Andrew Linden: The full teleportation is bypassed.
  • [2009/12/08 11:15] Arawn Spitteler: Generally, when I saw a bench load of ghosts, they'd dissappear, if the original showed up
  • [2009/12/08 11:15] Maggie Darwin: There's a lot of ghosting lately..especially when sim crosisngs fail with a vehicle..
  • [2009/12/08 11:15] Rex Cronon: so is normal that if u die sitting, when u return u r still sittin?
  • [2009/12/08 11:15] Maggie Darwin: SVC-22 and friends.
  • [2009/12/08 11:15] Meeter: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-22
  • [#SVC-22] Vehicles crossing region borders aren't always treated as vehicles and can get incorrectly returned if the destination parcel is no-entry or parcel-full
  • [2009/12/08 11:15] LSL Scientist: not normal, but not rare either
  • [2009/12/08 11:15] Andrew Linden: oh... but your "home" wasn't in Rausch was it?
  • [2009/12/08 11:15] Rex Cronon: my home is not set at rausch
  • [2009/12/08 11:16] Andrew Linden: ok, I don't know what was going on -- that you would be seated again is very odd
  • [2009/12/08 11:16] Rex Cronon: very weird
  • [2009/12/08 11:16] Johan Laurasia: well, I think his ghost was still seated, right Rex?
  • [2009/12/08 11:17] LSL Scientist: i think the sim never realise you leave, and when you come back, it put you back to the vehicle
  • [2009/12/08 11:17] Simon Linden: afk a bit...
  • [2009/12/08 11:17] Maggie Darwin: LSL: That does happen.
  • [2009/12/08 11:17] Rex Cronon: yes, johan
  • [2009/12/08 11:17] Johan Laurasia: did it disappear eventually?
  • [2009/12/08 11:17] Arawn Spitteler wonders if Abuse Reports could be reworded as Abnormality Reports, to ease reporting: We don't always know, if a malfunction deserves a jira, and Abuse Reports could be handy there.
  • [2009/12/08 11:17] Rex Cronon: it wasn't using the vhicle code
  • [2009/12/08 11:17] Maggie Darwin: I've had ghost avs in Blake Sea last for days at a time.
  • [2009/12/08 11:18] Helena Lycia: Oh, on region crossing issues... Regon crossings have been really really horrible today
  • [2009/12/08 11:18] Maggie Darwin: Arawn....do you seriously propose to define "normal" in Second Life?
  • [2009/12/08 11:18] LSL Scientist: i have had the same effect even with nonscripted prim, very often happens when i try to move my self with prim, out from the sim that is so lagged the cant walk or TP out
  • [2009/12/08 11:19] Andrew Linden: I think the deploy team is/was deploying new "central servers" today.
  • [2009/12/08 11:19] Arawn Spitteler: Anomali Report, so we can report when the system's operating properly?
  • [2009/12/08 11:19] Andrew Linden: I wonder if that had anything to do with region crossings.
  • [2009/12/08 11:19] Rex Cronon: hohan, what has ghost have to do with it?
  • [2009/12/08 11:19] Helena Lycia: Could be - rollouts in the past have made region crossings horrible but not quite as bad as they were earlier
  • [2009/12/08 11:19] Andrew Linden: Central servers manage some web services, and region presence (info about regiosn that are up)
  • [2009/12/08 11:19] Andrew Linden: and also agent presence (info about agents that are logged in)
  • [2009/12/08 11:20] Rex Cronon: johan*
  • [2009/12/08 11:20] Johan Laurasia: I thought you were ghosted, are you saying that when you re-entered the sim, it sat you where u were?
  • [2009/12/08 11:20] Maggie Darwin: The pecuilar orbiting that occurs when vehicle crossings are mishandles do result in most pecular agent presese info.
  • [2009/12/08 11:20] Maggie Darwin: *presence
  • [2009/12/08 11:21] Arawn Spitteler: Lag Orbiting? I thought that was just the viewer assuming what will happen?
  • [2009/12/08 11:21] Maggie Darwin: Well, the servers get out of sync too.
  • [2009/12/08 11:21] Rex Cronon: yes. upon returning i was sitting
  • [2009/12/08 11:22] Maggie Darwin: Especially in multipassenger vehicles
  • [2009/12/08 11:22] Andrew Linden: "Lag Orbiting" sounds like a good term for it. I think I know the symptoms it refers to.
  • [2009/12/08 11:22] Maggie Darwin: Sail accross a sim boundary with three on board...the one with the slowest net connection/PC may not make it.
  • [2009/12/08 11:23] Ardy Lay: Velocity Interpolation can be confounding
  • [2009/12/08 11:23] Arawn Spitteler: Have you tried the train past your parcel? That's a great one for region crossings
  • [2009/12/08 11:23] Maggie Darwin: Velocity interpolation should be clamped if there's evidence the server is out of contact
  • [2009/12/08 11:23] Andrew Linden: No Arawn, I haven't ridden that train yet.
  • [2009/12/08 11:23] Rex Cronon: btw. it would be an interesting feature to be able to tp somewhereand to be assigned aseat on arrial:)
  • [2009/12/08 11:24] Object: Hello, Avatar!
  • [2009/12/08 11:24] Rex Cronon: on arrival*
  • [2009/12/08 11:24] Arawn Spitteler: Set yourself up a ski lodge, while it's just down the street from Winterfest
  • [2009/12/08 11:24] Maggie Darwin: It's fun to fly a vehicle accross a region boundary. There are two or three distinct jumps.
  • [2009/12/08 11:24] Arcane Laval: dd1
  • [2009/12/08 11:24] Arawn Spitteler wonders if bus service could be established, from Wengen to Winterfest
  • [2009/12/08 11:25] Arawn Spitteler: I know a corner, where whole parties crash
  • [2009/12/08 11:25] Helena Lycia: Ach... I have to go... problem in one of the sims I manage
  • [2009/12/08 11:25] Maggie Darwin: You cross the line and begin to freewheel...then at least twice you snap back yt o where you should be, befor actually arriving and regaining control of the vehicle.
  • [2009/12/08 11:25] Rex Cronon: tc
  • [2009/12/08 11:26] Andrew Linden: Sounds like we need to fix boundary crossings, just so we have something else to talk about that isn't IP issues.
  • [2009/12/08 11:27] Arcane Laval: haha
  • [2009/12/08 11:27] Maggie Darwin: There's also the cute effect where your camera direction jumps to 180 oposite where it should be....begin sim crossing looking from behind third person, then *snap* cam is ahead of you llooking back
  • [2009/12/08 11:27] Arawn Spitteler: Boundary Crossings aren't an IP Issue?
  • [2009/12/08 11:27] Johan Laurasia: boundary crossings have always seemed to have been an issue
  • [2009/12/08 11:27] Johan Laurasia: just walking across let alone vehicles
  • [2009/12/08 11:27] Arawn Spitteler: Oh, do Ghost Colliders push our cameras about?
  • [2009/12/08 11:27] Maggie Darwin: Same ghost that causes a flycam to jump when region crossing
  • [2009/12/08 11:28] Simon Linden: We could always talk about how high Morgaine sits in the chair ... looks about right this time
  • [2009/12/08 11:28] Johan Laurasia: lol
  • [2009/12/08 11:28] LSL Scientist: ^^
  • [2009/12/08 11:28] Johan Laurasia: yeah, I noticed that too.
  • [2009/12/08 11:28] Arcane Laval: hehe
  • [2009/12/08 11:28] Arawn Spitteler: The Irreproducible Result that is reproducibly irreproducible.
  • [2009/12/08 11:29] Maggie Darwin: Damn...I opened VWR-16045 for that. Aimee noted it's dupof VWR-6546
  • [2009/12/08 11:29] Meeter: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-16045
  • [#VWR-16045] Flycam jumps to current region coordiates in new region when av crosses sim border
  • [2009/12/08 11:29] Meeter: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6546
  • [#VWR-6546] Flycam should follow global coordinates.
  • [2009/12/08 11:29] Andrew Linden: Here's some news...
  • [2009/12/08 11:29] Andrew Linden: We hired a new dev who has had some experience working with the Havok physics engine.
  • [2009/12/08 11:29] Johan Laurasia: woot
  • [2009/12/08 11:29] Andrew Linden: He claims that after two days of playing around he had Havok7 working in the simulator (on Windows platform).
  • [2009/12/08 11:30] Arcane Laval: Cool
  • [2009/12/08 11:30] Maggie Darwin: Jesus. Created April 08
  • [2009/12/08 11:30] Meeter: Timecheck : office hours is half over
  • [2009/12/08 11:30] Arcane Laval: Does he have an AV yet?
  • [2009/12/08 11:30] Maggie Darwin: Oh boy, Another Windows hero.
  • [2009/12/08 11:30] Johan Laurasia: yeah, what's his avie name?
  • [2009/12/08 11:30] Rex Cronon: we r getting havok7:)
  • [2009/12/08 11:30] Maggie Darwin: Does he know how to debug on Debian?
  • [2009/12/08 11:30] Andrew Linden: That is evidence that Havok7 isn't much different from Havok4 -- at least how we're using it.
  • [2009/12/08 11:31] Andrew Linden: He's going to try to get the Linux Havok7 build working.
  • [2009/12/08 11:31] Maggie Darwin: Hey, let's frak up the physics engine!
  • [2009/12/08 11:31] Maggie Darwin: Yay!
  • [2009/12/08 11:31] Arcane Laval: Interesting
  • [2009/12/08 11:31] Andrew Linden: We can't hand anything over to QA until we have linux builds.
  • [2009/12/08 11:31] Maggie Darwin: It will distract from all the Mono problems.
  • [2009/12/08 11:31] Luisa Bourgoin: oh noes! /me is still struggling with version 4
  • [2009/12/08 11:32] Rex Cronon: it might reduce the lag genrated when some people like to rezz hudreds(thousands) of physical prims:)
  • [2009/12/08 11:32] Andrew Linden: Havok7 isn't going to solve a lot of problems, however it may allow us to make some optimizations
  • [2009/12/08 11:32] Maggie Darwin: Having a Linux build is a fine thing. Having a Linux build that works is a higher bar.
  • [2009/12/08 11:32] Andrew Linden: and eventualy take better advantage of some of Havok's feature set
  • [2009/12/08 11:32] Johan Laurasia: I'm all for it
  • [2009/12/08 11:33] Andrew Linden: One worry I have is that when we start testing it we'll find one or two small features that don't work quite right
  • [2009/12/08 11:33] Maggie Darwin: After how long it took to fix bugs introduced in Havok 4, it's hard for me to be enthusastic.
  • [2009/12/08 11:33] Andrew Linden: which translates to broken content, unless we work very hard to tweak things back to almost how they worked before
  • [2009/12/08 11:33] Johan Laurasia: thing is, when it comes to SL, there are no small features... one oddball thing breaks, and it's the end of the world for some ppl.
  • [2009/12/08 11:33] Maggie Darwin: Especially when I don't beleive that those bugs were fixed in V7
  • [2009/12/08 11:34] Andrew Linden: I think the risk of that is less for 4-->7 than 1-->4, but still something to worrry aboutl.
  • [2009/12/08 11:34] LSL Scientist: btw, is there still some way to prevent being banned by LL? last night LL cleaned sandbox full of self replicating phys prims, but 7 hours later the same guy was there and rezzed the same stuff again...
  • [2009/12/08 11:34] Johan Laurasia: worth muddling thru though imho
  • [2009/12/08 11:34] Maggie Darwin: Considering that SVC-3580 keeps coming back... :-)
  • [2009/12/08 11:34] Meeter: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3580
  • [#SVC-3580] Plywood box rezzer at ANWR throws new boxes instead of dropping them unless av stands on platform
  • [2009/12/08 11:34] Andrew Linden: Johan is right. A small feature translates into a lot of people declaring the end of the world.
  • [2009/12/08 11:34] Andrew Linden: er... a small feature broken
  • [2009/12/08 11:35] Arawn Spitteler: Sometimes, just a small feature
  • [2009/12/08 11:35] Maggie Darwin: When your "small" feature breaks their product? Not "small" to them.
  • [2009/12/08 11:35] Maggie Darwin: It's huge.
  • [2009/12/08 11:35] Maggie Darwin: And absent clear documented definitions of what behaviors are supposed to be
  • [2009/12/08 11:36] Johan Laurasia: well, true, but some ppl just whine that they cant do something anymore.
  • [2009/12/08 11:36] Arawn Spitteler: CG, a sim south of here, has a collection of Art, based on the Alpha Bug. I wanted the artist to give me a beer
  • [2009/12/08 11:36] Arawn Spitteler: SVC-2931 was something of an annoyance
  • [2009/12/08 11:36] Meeter: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2931
  • [#SVC-2931] llSetLinkPrimitiveParams content breakage, only moves agents 54 meters now
  • [2009/12/08 11:36] Maggie Darwin: Johan, there are few other software endeavors with such a badly defined API
  • [2009/12/08 11:37] Maggie Darwin: People invest endless labor in building products, and get wiped out overnight
  • [2009/12/08 11:38] Arawn Spitteler: Hy, what if we sent the suspended accounts to the Aditi Grid, and they could wonder where the victims went. they'd be sure to complain, when something breaks
  • [2009/12/08 11:38] Andrew Linden: "Indentured testing" on the preview grid.
  • [2009/12/08 11:39] Arawn Spitteler: Beats the Cornfield
  • [2009/12/08 11:39] Ardy Lay: Hehe, "The Cornfield Revisited"
  • [2009/12/08 11:39] Arawn Spitteler: Is Orientation Island 2 still closed to public?
  • [2009/12/08 11:39] Rex Cronon: sadly right now even if peoplewant t go to the be/aditi they can't. even if they r quite a few months old:(
  • [2009/12/08 11:40] Arawn Spitteler: I went there last night; it took me three tries, to remember to click the widget
  • [2009/12/08 11:40] Andrew Linden: Yeah, we aren't importing all acounts to the aditi database anymore.
  • [2009/12/08 11:40] Rex Cronon: i know somebody tht is amember since march and the can't go to beta:(
  • [2009/12/08 11:40] Arawn Spitteler: Is Aditi still a remedy for lost inventory?
  • [2009/12/08 11:41] Andrew Linden: Hrm... it should be possible to catch failed attempts to login to aditi and to transfer the accounts at that time.
  • [2009/12/08 11:41] Maggie Darwin: Again a problem is documentation. "We changed stuff in the server. Go test all your content."
  • [2009/12/08 11:41] Andrew Linden: I wonder whether the #deploy team is interested in something like that.
  • [2009/12/08 11:42] Rex Cronon: what linden should those that want to got to adti have to go to in order to have access to beta?
  • [2009/12/08 11:42] Arawn Spitteler: With recent economic setback, we could also allow former premium members to still be premies, there.
  • [2009/12/08 11:42] Andrew Linden: No Arawn, I don't think aditi holds enough recent state info to recover much lost inventory.
  • [2009/12/08 11:42] Arawn Spitteler: Oskar said he could do it.
  • [2009/12/08 11:43] Arawn Spitteler: It's some trick to refreshing the inventory
  • [2009/12/08 11:43] Rex Cronon: thanks)
  • [2009/12/08 11:43] Andrew Linden: Yes, but if aditi is allowed to go stale for any particular account, the relevance of the backup data on aditi also goes stale.
  • [2009/12/08 11:44] Arawn Spitteler: It's not a matter of Stale, but of banging on the machine.
  • [2009/12/08 11:44] Rex Cronon: :)
  • [2009/12/08 11:44] Arawn Spitteler: Go to aditi, and open inventory before doing anything else, as I recall
  • [2009/12/08 11:44] Andrew Linden: Oh sorry, I thought Arawn's comment was to me, but it was answering Rex.
  • [2009/12/08 11:45] Rex Cronon: i have a feeling tht oskar will receive qutie a ew IM's:)
  • [2009/12/08 11:45] LSL Scientist: yes, hes doomed
  • [2009/12/08 11:45] Andrew Linden: aditi has an independent db, but when you are migrated (or updated) on aditi your inventory is a copy from the main database (agni)
  • [2009/12/08 11:45] Arawn Spitteler: If Aditi is so slow, for business, I guess it should be allowed more continuity, than to refresh at each login.
  • [2009/12/08 11:46] Andrew Linden: The more requests Oskar gets the more he'll want to automate the process.
  • [2009/12/08 11:46] Rex Cronon: lol andrew:)
  • [2009/12/08 11:46] Arawn Spitteler: An UpdateBot Linden might have a desk on Agni
  • [2009/12/08 11:46] LSL Scientist thinks about automating the request
  • [2009/12/08 11:47] Maggie Darwin: That approach worked so well for Prospero.
  • [2009/12/08 11:47] Andrew Linden: Actually, I like the fact that aditi has an independent db and is not updated much. I spend more time in aditi then agni, because that is where I do most of my testing.
  • [2009/12/08 11:47] Arawn Spitteler: Does Alexandria still own our library?
  • [2009/12/08 11:48] Andrew Linden: Yes, I think the library is populated from Alexandria Linden's inventory.
  • [2009/12/08 11:48] Maggie Darwin: If what people were being asked to test hadn't been changed since 2006, having static inventory on Adidti wouldn't be so bad.
  • [2009/12/08 11:48] Arawn Spitteler now imagines builders harrassing Workingonit Linden, and getting automatically updated in Aditi
  • [2009/12/08 11:50] Johan Laurasia: I'm out ppls, gotta go, RL
  • [2009/12/08 11:50] Simon Linden: Bye
  • [2009/12/08 11:50] Rex Cronon: tc
  • [2009/12/08 11:51] Maggie Darwin: We can't all be clockmakers. ;-)
  • [2009/12/08 11:51] Arawn Spitteler: Sure we can, in world, that's why we don't have to be
  • [2009/12/08 11:52] Maggie Darwin: If we were all clockmakers, product testing would be simple.
  • [2009/12/08 11:52] Arawn Spitteler wonders how to build Telephone Sanitizers
  • [2009/12/08 11:52] LSL Scientist: i want llGetSLTdate(); it can be calculated from unix time, but the script is kilometer long
  • [2009/12/08 11:53] Andrew Linden: link it to MISC-3077
  • [2009/12/08 11:53] Meeter: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-3077
  • [#MISC-3077] Meta-Issue: List of Linden-Confirmed Easy Changes/Additions With Large Returns
  • [2009/12/08 11:53] Simon Linden: That sounds like a nicely contained and useful function that won't break much :)
  • [2009/12/08 11:53] Arawn Spitteler: 60% longer in the US, but it's going to be an hour off, a few weeks of the yhear
  • [2009/12/08 11:53] Andrew Linden: better yet, write the C++ code for converting UNIX time to SLT and add that as a comment ;-)
  • [2009/12/08 11:54] Maggie Darwin: better yet, write the C++ code for converting UNIX time to SLT and add that to the LSL interpreter
  • [2009/12/08 11:54] Ardy Lay: It needs to reference the host timezone file to keep up with Congress.
  • [2009/12/08 11:54] Andrew Linden: I wonder what the LSL looks like for that conversion.
  • [2009/12/08 11:55] LSL Scientist: you dont want to see
  • [2009/12/08 11:55] Meeter: Timecheck : office hours is almost over
  • [2009/12/08 11:55] Ardy Lay: PST/PDT
  • [2009/12/08 11:56] Maggie Darwin: [10:43] Enus Linden: hi AWG - I have an acquiantence who'd looking for a review of a large body of LSL. If you might be inclined to share some time and experience, and happen to be really strong wrt LSL, drop me an IM and I'll get y'all in touch
  • [10:51] Maggie Darwin: Wants to review a large body of LSL? Pervert.
  • [10:52] Rex Cronon: enus. what do u mean when u say "review"?
  • [10:52] Enus Linden: Rex: that is up to the person i'm proxying for. I believe, cruise the code, look for inefficiencies and performance improvements, etc
  • [10:58] Maggie Darwin: That's like crusing the ocean looking for water.
  • [2009/12/08 11:56] Andrew Linden: Hrm... the C++ code might not be very hard. SLT is probably tied to the "date" UNIX command on the hosting server.
  • [2009/12/08 11:57] Arawn Spitteler: User Defined Libraries would be another solution
  • [2009/12/08 11:58] Maggie Darwin: Good news: Eclipse implements that. Bad news: The server doesn't.
  • [2009/12/08 11:58] Maggie Darwin is getting involved in the scripting APIs for Project Wonderland
  • [2009/12/08 11:58] Andrew Linden: Eclipse, as in the integrated development environment written in Java?
  • [2009/12/08 11:59] Maggie Darwin: Written mostly ni Java, yes.
  • [2009/12/08 11:59] Maggie Darwin: except for the crappy native UI library
  • [2009/12/08 12:00] Meeter: Thank you for coming to Linden office hours
  • [2009/12/08 12:00] Andrew Linden: One way to pursue user defined libraries would be to first embrace C# as an LSL programming syntax, I suppose.
  • [2009/12/08 12:00] Simon Linden: I have to run ... thanks everyone for coming
  • [2009/12/08 12:00] Rex Cronon: tc simo
  • [2009/12/08 12:00] Maggie Darwin: Laters Simon
  • [2009/12/08 12:01] Andrew Linden: I also have to go. Internal triage meeting starts now.
  • [2009/12/08 12:01] Maggie Darwin: Eclipse has an LSL plug-in.
  • [2009/12/08 12:01] Andrew Linden: Ah, I see.
  • [2009/12/08 12:01] LSL Scientist: i got to run too, sauna, AFK
  • [2009/12/08 12:01] Rex Cronon: simon*
  • [2009/12/08 12:01] Melchizedek Blauvelt: byeSimon...and all you guys, I have to run too
  • [2009/12/08 12:01] Rex Cronon: tc andrew
  • [2009/12/08 12:01] Maggie Darwin: Spoopetr Sekret triage. Say hello to workingonit
  • [2009/12/08 12:01] Rex Cronon: tc lsl
  • [2009/12/08 12:01] Andrew Linden: see you all later. Thanks for coming.
  • [2009/12/08 12:01] Cerdita Piek: bye andrew, thank you
  • [2009/12/08 12:01] Simon Linden: Bye everyone, see you next time
  • [2009/12/08 12:02] Arawn Spitteler has to go organize a healing, in Spirit City, as his brother might soon represent a market for in world aviation
  • [2009/12/08 12:02] Simon Linden: Thanks for coming
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