Adult Content User Group/07/25/2011

Attendees List

• Chantall Congrejo (chantall.congrejo)
• Couldbe (couldbe)
• Dancer Greenfield (dancer.greenfield)
• Evelynn Kidd (evelynn.kidd)
• Ginette Pinazzo (ginette.pinazzo)(User's Wiki Page)
• Huntress Catteneo (huntress.catteneo)
• Hypatia Meili (hypatia.meili)
• Innula Zenovka (innula.zenovka)
• Kim Rongyu (kim.rongyu)
• Lara Boyle (lara.boyle)
• Nal (nal)
• Qie (qie)
• Ramona Criss (ramona.criss)
• Rogue Vondran (rogue.vondran)
• Silvanus (silvanus)
• SilvanusSilvanus translates (silvanussilvanus.translates)
• Silversurfer (silversurfer)
• Slarus Rajal-Palen (slarus.rajal-palen)
• Slaton Linden (slaton.linden)
• Vick Forcella (vick.forcella)(User's Wiki Page)

Transcript for Monday July 25, 2011

[11:05]	Ginette Pinazzo	Slarus...you are the only one admitted toi being new here so ytou must do the chat log...hahah (joke)
[11:05]	Innula Zenovka	its a joke
[11:05]	Silvanus	Silvanus translates: good morning noob ; )
[11:05]	Slaton Linden	hello everyone. sorry I'm late.
[11:05]	Innula Zenovka	that's what people say when folks complain their avatars have gone strange colours
[11:05]	Slarus Rajal-Palen	*The number you have reached...Slarus, is a bot please make note of it *giggles*
[11:05]	Silvanus	Hi Slaton, its monday ; )
[11:05]	Ginette Pinazzo	hello Slaton
[11:05]	Innula Zenovka	Hi, Slaton
[11:05]	Ginette Pinazzo	better late than never
[11:05]	Lara Boyle	Hi there Slaton... good to meet you!
[11:06]	Rogue Vondran	Hi Slaton
[11:06]	Silversurfer	it is more me still in shock after the terror attack in my country on Friday
[11:06]	Hypatia Meili	Hi Slaton
[11:06]	Ginette Pinazzo	we have one or 2 new faces this tierm Slaton
[11:06]	Silvanus	thats horrible Counter, I am sorry for your contry
[11:06]	Silversurfer	it has been ... testing for the nation that's for sure.
[11:07]	Rogue Vondran	Im so sorry to hear Counter, thoughts and prayers to you and your country
[11:07]	Kim Rongyu	must have been, appaling thing to happen
[11:07]	Slaton Linden	hello. any specific agenda items for today? Unfortunately I'm still awaiting an answer regarding vortex and zindra in general
[11:07]	Nal	I empathize with you Silver. For a small country that is horrible.
[11:07]	Hypatia Meili	yeah :)
[11:07]	Ginette Pinazzo	we have an agedna Slaton....arent we still using it?
[11:07]	Silversurfer	horrible for any country
[11:07]	Ramona Criss	Hello ALL nice to see you here :)
[11:07]	Ginette Pinazzo	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content_User_Group
[11:08]	Innula Zenovka	I sent Viale a question about getting the status of the Adult Content FAQ onto the agenda, Slaton.. i don't know if you've seen it?
[11:08]	Slaton Linden	yes, Ginette we're still using it. I just didn't get any email to add to it
[11:08]	Innula Zenovka	oh. well, i emailed viale.. clearly he didn't forward it to you
[11:09]	Ginette Pinazzo	arent peoepl also supposed to add agenda items to the list on their own? or is that 'in addition'
[11:09]	Slaton Linden	Innula, yes, but didn't have time to review.
[11:09]	Innula Zenovka	so he did forward it?
[11:09]	Silversurfer	I think we are kindoff awaiting word on the many proposals we have submitted Slaton
[11:09]	Ginette Pinazzo	first itsm on agenda is welcoming committee...haha
[11:10]	Slaton Linden	Innula, yes, and we're addressing it
[11:10]	Slaton Linden	OK, unless anyone else wants to start, Ginette would you like to kick things off?
[11:10]	Ginette Pinazzo	sure....my item is simply abt the meeti8ngs themselves.......
[11:11]	Slaton Linden	OK
[11:11]	Ginette Pinazzo	longh ahead, we had NO meeting process....things were circualr horur long conversations.......
[11:11]	Evelynn Kidd	hop up on the counter, Slaton, so we can see you
[11:11]	Ginette Pinazzo	then we agreed upon and adopted an agenda system , chairperson, etc.....
[11:11]	Ginette Pinazzo	we had a real system...things got done....
[11:11]	Ginette Pinazzo	it was professional...
[11:11]	Lara Boyle	you want to sit here Slaton?
[11:11]	Lara Boyle	opps... sorry!
[11:12]	Ginette Pinazzo	I want toi suggest, Slatoin, we move abck to that professional, organized system.......so we can get thiungs doen PLUS attarct more peopel to a stable situation
[11:12]	Silvanus	agree
[11:12]	Ginette Pinazzo	hour loong circuylar convos are not exactly what soem peoepl want to set aside tiem for duringa busy week
[11:12]	Slaton Linden	yes, a specific agreed upon format would be helpful
[11:13]	Ginette Pinazzo	I posted links on the agenda to soem material regarding the meeting format originally, plus sugegstions for improving as time goes on
[11:13]	Innula Zenovka	i think we've been getting far more done in recent weeks, with Viale and Slaton than we've done for ages, myself
[11:13]	Ginette Pinazzo	not sure where you get that impression Innula
[11:13]	Silversurfer	agreed Innula
[11:13]	Silversurfer	please proceed as headed Slaton
[11:13]	Ginette Pinazzo	private emails are fine....but nothing helpls more than tarnsparency...and published material
[11:13]	Silvanus	transparency ^^
[11:13]	Ginette Pinazzo	we cannot have any sense of progress unless its public as well....and gheld professionally
[11:14]	Slarus Rajal-Palen	Slarus Rajal-Palen nods
[11:14]	Slaton Linden	Ginette, do you want to discuss proposed meeting format?
[11:14]	Silversurfer	what do you find unprofessional Ginette?
[11:14]	Ginette Pinazzo	and bottom line: we need to attract new talent ....anyone who sees noi agenda will flee
[11:14]	Ginette Pinazzo	no agenda = unprofessional
[11:14]	Ginette Pinazzo	all material for discussion at these meetings shoudl also be available ina published public format
[11:15]	Huntress Catteneo	I know I would like opportunity to see things submitted that we are meant to discuss beforehand
[11:15]	Silvanus	or lets speak positive, let us do it more professional ; )
[11:15]	Ginette Pinazzo	in advance so peoepl can study and plan
[11:15]	Silversurfer	yes, but there are meetings going on parallell
[11:15]	Silversurfer	and you are part of a parallell hidden process
[11:15]	Ginette Pinazzo	Slaton, the proposla is exactly the original proposal.......a Chair.....an Agenda whith apublished proposals....just like we were doing
[11:15]	Silversurfer	so where is your professionalis?
[11:16]	Silvanus	that has reasons and is necessary to be able tho huge amount of ideas and input, counter
[11:16]	Ginette Pinazzo	priavet meetings and emails are fine IF also complimented by public and tarsnparent materail..it is the content and process of THESE meetings Im talking abt
[11:16]	Silversurfer	right
[11:16]	Silversurfer	particulalry when Ginette comes out of those meetings telling things are a done deal?
[11:16]	Silvanus	you can use Open Space as a techniqaue Counter, but at the end you need a hirachrie again
[11:17]	Silvanus	even when you brainstorm, counter
[11:17]	Ginette Pinazzo	does the majority of peoepl here vagree we shoudl work our way back to the previous agenda-0driven format?
[11:17]	Slaton Linden	OK, Ginette, then what are you propsing? Yes, some issues/ topics must be handled outside of these meetings
[11:17]	Silversurfer	I say let LL set the agenda
[11:17]	Kim Rongyu	I cfertainly do Gina
[11:17]	Lara Boyle	<--new here... so I'm listening *grins*
[11:17]	Silversurfer	this meeting is getting bigger than Zindra and we dont wnat to be bogged down again please
[11:17]	Huntress Catteneo	counter you never sumit stuff for others here to see that I am aware, makes it hard to discuss in a useful way
[11:18]	Silvanus	Counter you just gave the answer why external meetings are necessary too
[11:18]	Silversurfer	join ZA and you will see it in this new process
[11:18]	Ginette Pinazzo	Slaton......I anm advising for tTHESE meeti8ngs....isf peoepl want to discc anything at TOP of meeting, its must go on the publsihed agenda (wiki)
[11:18]	Couldbe	so it can be deleted? sounds sensible
[11:18]	Slaton Linden	In generaly, we're not going to set agenda. We're looking for ways to give you as a community the tools to manage
[11:18]	Ginette Pinazzo	Slaton. I urge you read the URL I sent to explain the original process...which worked for many months'
[11:18]	Huntress Catteneo	If stuff put on web saves time going over in the meetings
[11:19]	Innula Zenovka	Slaton.. are we supposed to add stuff to the wiki page to get it discussed? Because I know, as Couldbe says, that stuff has been deleted
[11:19]	Silvanus	yes Linden always showed that htey prefer the fredom of their residents...
[11:19]	Couldbe	it didn't work well, paticularly when the same agenda items kept taking top spot and not leaving time for others to discuss things
[11:19]	Ginette Pinazzo	if you want residents setting agenda...then the systenm we WEE using was perfect
[11:19]	Silversurfer	if LL defines another process for submitting material than sending email, I am happy with that
[11:19]	Silvanus	to regulate as less as necessary
[11:19]	Innula Zenovka	which is why i sent Viale an email asking what the right way to put someone on the agenda was
[11:19]	Silversurfer	this is what we were told to do now
[11:19]	Slaton Linden	OK, Ginette. I'll read it. I agree that it's best to stick to a defined agenda and keep side conversations to a minimum otherwise nothing gets accomplished
[11:20]	Ginette Pinazzo	the orioginal pprocess was perfect...just because some peoepl refusd ot ever add anything to the agebnda wiki is not our problem
[11:20]	Couldbe	it wasn't perfect ginette
[11:20]	Silversurfer	far from perfect
[11:20]	Ginette Pinazzo	good, Slaton..you want to debrief with me after you readit Slaton, if there are questions?
[11:20]	Silversurfer	it was more or less spamming from one person
[11:20]	Ginette Pinazzo	it was closer to perfect than not
[11:20]	Silvanus	nothing is, Couldbe... so we are working constructive on it, Couldthisbe?
[11:20]	Couldbe	the agenda items were not prioritised and irrelevancies ended up taking up most of the meeting for no other reason than the person managed to post first on the list
[11:20]	Ginette Pinazzo	counter...you cabn join the procews sor not...thats alkways uyp top you
[11:20]	Slaton Linden	For agenda, email or directly adding to wiki is fine
[11:20]	Hypatia Meili	and LL can always decline an agenda item or postpone
[11:21]	Hypatia Meili	but we can add topics freely
[11:21]	Hypatia Meili	seems to work
[11:21]	Ginette Pinazzo	all I am saying is: meetings without such standard format are not profesional...most place sin the world
[11:21]	Huntress Catteneo	I would just like to see stuff that is being submitted before meeting
[11:21]	Slaton Linden	Couldbe, agree that agenda items need to be prioritized
[11:21]	Silvanus	sure Hypatia, SL has a god and this god is calles Linden Labs ; )
[11:21]	Qie	Here's the underlying problem: Everyone here trusts a Linden to run this meeting, but Lindens don't want to run this meeting anymore.
[11:21]	Ginette Pinazzo	I agree Hunt....thats standard most places
[11:21]	Silversurfer	why don't we submit to the agenda, but let LL prioritize items for the final one. Then we might be able to cut through it
[11:21]	Hypatia Meili	wel we could ad a deadline to submit
[11:22]	Ginette Pinazzo	Qie...thats why a Chair is almways an integral part
[11:22]	Qie	gee, now who might that be?
[11:22]	Ginette Pinazzo	I dotnm know Qie....but your sarcasm is showing!
[11:22]	Silversurfer	Cold it be Slaton?
[11:22]	Slaton Linden	You all should probably vote on a Chairperson
[11:22]	Slaton Linden	non-Linden
[11:22]	Couldbe	It has to be a LL employee
[11:23]	Silversurfer	I submit Slaton
[11:23]	Silvanus	lol -
[11:23]	Qie	I second the nomination.
[11:23]	Couldbe	otherwise just cancel these meetings and put us out of our misery
[11:23]	Slaton Linden	Why does it have to be a Linden?
[11:23]	Silvanus	Silvanus feels remembered a year ago
[11:23]	Couldbe	because it's your fucking meeting!!
[11:23]	Silversurfer	because it is your meeting at the end of the day
[11:23]	Silvanus	no slaton this discussion we had a year ago too, dont let them confuse you
[11:23]	Silversurfer	and no favortism
[11:23]	Ginette Pinazzo	I dotn want to hear obsecenities...this isnt high school
[11:23]	Slaton Linden	Couldbe, that language will not be tolerated. Very unprofessional.
[11:24]	Couldbe	so is this
[11:24]	Nal	Is this an Office Hour meeting with an owner? Or a residents' group? It appears to be a Linde Office Hour from the listing in the wiki...
[11:24]	Huntress Catteneo	*sigh* can we all drop the personal rubbish, we are all meant to be adult here acording to the rating, do we need to age verify some of you?
[11:24]	Silversurfer	it is a Linden meeting instituted by Linden Lab
[11:24]	Hypatia Meili	that renaming hs confused the matter
[11:24]	Silversurfer	soe they should chair it
[11:24]	Ginette Pinazzo	Slaton, my proposal today was only to 'slowly move thinsg back' tpowards a more professional setup as we had before..its doesnt have to move the earth today...we can do s,mall steps
[11:24]	Innula Zenovka	Slaton, because there's only a couple of people other than Lindens who would be seen as anything like impartial.. and neither of them (being in their right minds) would want to do it
[11:25]	Hypatia Meili	it seems tobe bothe , user group and office hours
[11:25]	Silvanus	but when I observe LL right, LL just want to be informed, and is willingt to help out... the rest is up to us residents....
[11:25]	Huntress Catteneo	next subject I would say
[11:25]	Silversurfer	ha!
[11:25]	Silvanus	SL is a free world and LL has its intentionls about this topic (if I observe right)
[11:25]	Ramona Criss	yes next coz we have only 30 min left
[11:25]	Silversurfer	Sahall we repeat LL's golas for these meetings?
[11:25]	Silversurfer	goals*
[11:25]	Slaton Linden	OK, I think we can chair these meetings. Next topic?
[11:26]	Ginette Pinazzo	Slaton.....thanks for agreeing to read that link ionformation...I hope we get progres son this soon
[11:26]	Qie	excellent.
[11:26]	Silversurfer	thansl Slaton ;-)
[11:26]	Innula Zenovka	thank you, Slaton
[11:26]	Silvanus	wow time goes fast today
[11:27]	Ramona Criss	so what is next topic?
[11:27]	Slaton Linden	anyone else want to approach another topic?
[11:27]	Silvanus	Welcome Center
[11:27]	Silversurfer	elect welcome committee for this meeting?
[11:27]	Ginette Pinazzo	next topic on agenda is Wexleom center
[11:28]	Ginette Pinazzo	Slaton....this is about Podyan and how it relates to otehr things (including Zindar Sim).....
[11:28]	Slaton Linden	Silversurfer, want to discuss welcome commitee?
[11:28]	Silversurfer	no t at all ;-)
[11:28]	Innula Zenovka	I would like to ask about the status of the Adult Content FAQ at some point, but am content to have it left until next week if that would be more convenient, Slaton
[11:29]	Hypatia Meili	it is bit out of date isn't it
[11:29]	Slaton Linden	Innula, I can provide you with an update on that after the meeting. Is that OK?
[11:29]	Innula Zenovka	that would be great. thank you
[11:29]	Lara Boyle	From what I can see the idea and suggestions for the Adult welcome centre make a lot of sense
[11:30]	Slaton Linden	FAQ is being updated
[11:30]	Hypatia Meili	good
[11:30]	Silvanus	yes atopic for ADULT over all
[11:30]	Nal	Slaton, is it possible to publish that info in the forum or some place so we all know what is up with AC FAQ?
[11:30]	Lara Boyle	but a question I do have... is how would an Adult centre fit in with all the others...?
[11:30]	Slaton Linden	Nal, I'll look into that and let you know
[11:30]	Innula Zenovka	actually, i think it's wider than that .. most questions are to do with "is this ok on M land" rather than "is this ok on Adult land"
[11:31]	Nal	Thx
[11:31]	Slaton Linden	let's focus on welcome experience.
[11:31]	Hypatia Meili	i think ther is a place for both
[11:31]	Huntress Catteneo	yes I would say that way too Innula
[11:31]	Hypatia Meili	an M entry way into adult & an adult strting point
[11:32]	Hypatia Meili	so to speak
[11:32]	Ginette Pinazzo	amazinly Hypoa..the next agenda topic deal with that directly
[11:32]	Silversurfer	what welcome experience Zlaton? are you talking about Zindra sim now?
[11:32]	Kim Rongyu	would it not be easier to make both Adult?
[11:32]	Silversurfer	Slaton
[11:32]	Lara Boyle	but how would that relate to the PG/G welcome zones?... I mean... how would then be directed to there?
[11:32]	Slaton Linden	Silersurfer, yes?
[11:33]	Silversurfer	ok, ZA have submitted a number of suggestions for the Zindra sim
[11:33]	Huntress Catteneo	be nice to see
[11:33]	Silversurfer	and I think we really need to agree what the purpose of that si im before we fill it with content
[11:33]	Hypatia Meili	lets here ginetes idea then your counter
[11:33]	Silversurfer	I understand there is a drive to fill the sim with human greeters
[11:34]	Ginette Pinazzo	Slaton...cabn we styiuck to agenda and digress afterwards?
[11:34]	Silvanus	well Counter the topic is as the name: Welcome
[11:34]	Silversurfer	I understand there is a drive to fill the sim with human greeters?
[11:34]	Huntress Catteneo	these meetings seem to still be very much two halves, not good for any processes
[11:34]	Qie	So, there are a *bunch* of Adult infoHubs, some islands, some not. I agree that we need a Mature gateway to the Adult experience... I don't especially think it needs to be associated with Zindra at all. We also need a *Zindra* welcome area, Adult-rated, that serves the mainland continent directly.
[11:34]	Silversurfer	the first question is who will man the sim 24/7 with greeters?
[11:34]	Silvanus	Silvanus thinks that huntress got a key ; )
[11:35]	Ginette Pinazzo	that is not any fiurst question,....we are not close to that........
[11:35]	Silversurfer	second question is, do you understand what happens to a sim when you give it a prominent place in DG? - it stalls because it gets full in minutes
[11:35]	Silvanus	SIM-management can do this, Counter....
[11:36]	Ginette Pinazzo	there has been ZERO consensus that Zindar Sim will be such a aplce yet...ther are otehr topics first to deal with, so we dotn re-invent the wheel
[11:36]	Hypatia Meili	counter are you prposing we simply have no welcomare because they get busy?
[11:36]	Slaton Linden	So, currently the Zindra sim is acting as the gateway to adult because of it's priority is search. Do you all want to change that?
[11:36]	Silversurfer	then the goal for the Zindra sim is not to fill that sim with agents, but to get them out to the remaining 342 sims on the continent as sooon as possible
[11:36]	Ginette Pinazzo	(I think we overloaded Slaton)
[11:36]	Silvanus	not me
[11:36]	Ginette Pinazzo	no Slaton......thats backwards
[11:37]	Qie	Slaton, that's a side issue, really. The problem isn't search priority for the gateway, but the availability of a Mature-rated gateway to Adult
[11:37]	Silversurfer	we want to sue teh Zindra sim as the portal to this continent
[11:37]	Silversurfer	use
[11:37]	Ginette Pinazzo	Slaton: I am weary of metnioning the next agenda topic whoich addresses this......am i wasting my timje here?
[11:37]	Ginette Pinazzo	who is 'we' countre..? that is not the wish of many others
[11:37]	Silversurfer	and we dont think placing human helpers there is the right way of doing it
[11:37]	Qie	I think we're confusing things here. This agenda item is about Podyan, no?
[11:37]	Slaton Linden	Ginette, dive in w/ welcome agenda item
[11:37]	Silversurfer	ZA has submitted this as a proposal
[11:37]	Ginette Pinazzo	yes Qie..can we get to it?
[11:37]	Hypatia Meili	lets her ginnetes prposal first
[11:37]	Ginette Pinazzo	ok Slaton.....
[11:37]	Silversurfer	you know the group of 250 residents?
[11:38]	Silvanus	huan helpers are the right answer to increase the quality appearance
[11:38]	Ginette Pinazzo	http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-welcome-center-how-to-do-it-right
[11:38]	Hypatia Meili	then counter then we can discauss ?
[11:38]	Huntress Catteneo	the place that disappeared was the key, do we know what happed there and if it will reappear?
[11:38]	Ginette Pinazzo	this item exists for a reason
[11:38]	Silvanus	its all about human here, Counter
[11:38]	Silversurfer	it is all bout business here
[11:38]	Qie	My only real hang-up about that is naming. I don't think it should have "Zindra" anywhere in its name.
[11:38]	Ginette Pinazzo	Viale wanted soem complelong rezasons why Zindar Som shoudl not be a welcoem center...this linkmproviudes 3 solid reasons....AND explains why Podyan is the obvious better choice....
[11:38]	Silversurfer	that is why we got moved here by LL
[11:38]	Silvanus	business is a part not more
[11:39]	Silvanus	without the clients and customers you hae no business
[11:39]	Silversurfer	exaclty
[11:39]	Huntress Catteneo	wher is Podyan though??
[11:39]	Silversurfer	and stalling themm in the Zindra sim is not gonna help
[11:39]	Qie	Zindra sim *might* be a welcome center for the Zindra continent, but that's for a different purpose than this agenda item is trying to address.
[11:39]	Ginette Pinazzo	Podyan is Moderate..itrs in ocean...and it can be renamed something very specific and intuitive to guarabntee peoepl will go there first
[11:39]	Ramona Criss	true Silvanus
[11:39]	Silvanus	but you willnot be able to hypnotize and order ppl to buy and purchase
[11:39]	Silvanus	first you have to care for them
[11:39]	Silversurfer	they need to get sprayed out over the continent
[11:39]	Ginette Pinazzo	I have been researching ab t the fate of Podyan...still in midst of that
[11:40]	Ginette Pinazzo	but I see NO reason to reivnetn the wheel when we had/have the perfect welcoem center solutin already there
[11:40]	Lara Boyle	I run an Adult Sim at a profit... and we've had no benefit of anything but ourselves for the last five years
[11:40]	Silversurfer	yes, perfect - telling people who were age verified how to age verify
[11:40]	Ginette Pinazzo	ajnd that can free up Zindar Sim to be soemthing a lot more dynamic than a welcoem center
[11:40]	Rogue Vondran	People need to lead to water to make them drink, you will always need a watering hole, so to speak
[11:40]	Silvanus	yes Lara, you are smart, but not all business owners on SL have such a great management-education
[11:40]	Ginette Pinazzo	Slaton, have tyou read that matrial yet? (its bveen posted ANd emailed a whiler ago)
[11:41]	Silversurfer	ditto to Slaton
[11:41]	Silversurfer	we have submitted tons of suggestions, and you should be able to compile them for us for further discussion
[11:41]	Silvanus	Silvanus agrees to Rogue
[11:41]	Slaton Linden	yes, Ginette I've read it. Is everyone in agreement that Podyan should be the gateway/ welcome for adult?
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo	Slaton.this iis one of the reasoins we wre so adamant abotu not wasting Zindra Sim as a mere welcoem center and making it soemthing really useful
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo	U agree, Slaton..it meets all the conditions for a welcoem center
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo	*I
[11:43]	Slaton Linden	Ginette, this issue if more about search and discoverability. Do mot people not hear Zindra then search for it and end up there first?
[11:43]	Ginette Pinazzo	thoughts from the crowd? (many quiet ones today!)
[11:43]	Silversurfer	Slaton the ideal thing would be to place the Zindra sim in DG for Basic
[11:43]	Ginette Pinazzo	Slaton..if you are talking inqworld search? via map or places? its a non-issue...a few Zindar thinsg will pop up....what you WANT is soewmtning specific...liek Zindar StartPoint, etc
[11:43]	Silversurfer	but then it must have the capacity and seup to handle the traffic
[11:43]	Silversurfer	and get people out to the remianing 342 sims
[11:44]	Nal	The only well known adult area people know of, if they know one, is Zindra. But, I suspect most just search for their kink.
[11:44]	Ginette Pinazzo	if you keep it 'Zindra' it wont help your discoverability...just add confision
[11:44]	Slaton Linden	OK, Ginette that makes sense
[11:44]	Ginette Pinazzo	call it Zindra GoHere First...hahah..you get desired results
[11:44]	Huntress Catteneo	Zindra Central
[11:44]	Qie	Well, but Slaton, if they hear about Zindra, they should go to the Zindra continent. Podyan probably needs some keywords around it to make it clear that it serves the whole Mature - Adult gateway.
[11:44]	Silversurfer	why would you call it gohereefirst if it is a nice image in the Basic DG?
[11:45]	Rogue Vondran	agree's Huntress
[11:45]	Silversurfer	thi is not the command line Ginette
[11:45]	Ginette Pinazzo	Podyan woudl obviously ber renamed Qie
[11:45]	Innula Zenovka	is this about promoting Adult Content or that small subset of adult content to be found on Zindra?
[11:45]	Huntress Catteneo	was joke counter
[11:45]	Couldbe	why are we still banging on about the change of name? I thought it had been decided to keep it as Zindra
[11:45]	Qie	see, but it *can't* be named "Zindra"-anything
[11:45]	Ginette Pinazzo	its abt both Innula...the welcoem center at Podyan woudl cover it all
[11:45]	Slaton Linden	Qie, yes, good point
[11:45]	Huntress Catteneo	she gave exmaple
[11:45]	Nal	Zindra Start - is very obvious for one searching on just Zindra.
[11:45]	Vick Forcella	Hi all, and more :)
[11:46]	Ginette Pinazzo	why not Qie...? you have 'Zindra' plus the descriptive term...you get best of both wordls
[11:46]	Silversurfer	if you feed the newly minted Zindra in DG, they will immediately make the association
[11:46]	Silversurfer	no need for any additional name
[11:46]	Hypatia Meili	depends on which sim you ar talking about Qie
[11:46]	Dancer Greenfield	A few weeks ago we agreed unanimously (in this meeting) to change the name... then the next week people came who had missed the meeting and brought the topic up again
[11:46]	Qie	but Zindra is not all of the Adult content in SL
[11:46]	Qie	the Mature-to-Adult gateway needs to be more general
[11:46]	Ginette Pinazzo	Slaton..you have an ovcerriding issue too....for Marketing.....you cant brand the welcoem center juust Zindra...maerkting will hate you later.........a specific name will let you really promote it
[11:47]	Qie	there may also be a good use for a Zindra-specific gateway, but that should be *on* the Zindra continent itself.
[11:47]	Silversurfer	why dont you really rename it to adultfinder then?
[11:47]	Silversurfer	cant be more direct than that
[11:47]	Vick Forcella	Did I drop this URL before? http://vickforcella.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/a-vision-of-zindra/
[11:47]	Nal	Dancer, that is why the chair controls the meetngs and sticks to agenda.
[11:47]	Rogue Vondran	I have to go, ty all for having me :)
[11:47]	Ginette Pinazzo	ciao Rogue
[11:47]	Silversurfer	Cheers Rough
[11:47]	Kim Rongyu	byw :)
[11:47]	Silversurfer	Rogue*
[11:47]	Ginette Pinazzo	no reason to 'drop' the Zindar part...it can help brtanding......just add to it
[11:47]	Slaton Linden	thanks, Rouge
[11:48]	Qie	(To be honest, I think Arapaima was originally intended to do what Podyan is being asked to do now... out in the middle of the water, "Safe Infohub" etc... but it was rated Adult, so that proved to be backwards.)
[11:48]	Ginette Pinazzo	Maybe Zindra Adult QuickStaret
[11:48]	Silversurfer	Silversurfer thinks Ginette does not ahve a clue about branding
[11:48]	Silversurfer	the branding you propose Ginette is like a Microsoft product
[11:48]	Ginette Pinazzo	counter..I will nto tolerate your wild insults
[11:48]	Silversurfer	comes in 7 different names on the package
[11:48]	Silvanus	Counter your lanuage becomes destructive
[11:48]	Huntress Catteneo	personal stuff again, knock it off
[11:49]	Silversurfer	sorry, i shall not mention Microsoft any more
[11:49]	Qie	lol. they posted record profits. such language, Counter. :p
[11:49]	Huntress Catteneo	as the saying goes, can't say anything nice, don't say
[11:49]	Ginette Pinazzo	insiults will scare away professional peoepl from this process too....we need to have that stopped
[11:49]	Slaton Linden	let's keep it friendly as possible please. Professional would be good too
[11:50]	Lara Boyle	well good people.... I was invited here - and came with good intentions. I have watched and listened - and frankly I see nothing that is productive and sadly, nothing that shows even a remote way of going forward... I offer my thanks for the invite... my respect to you Slaton. Perhaps when things go professional, we shall be invited back
[11:50]	Ginette Pinazzo	Slaton....can we get action items on this topc? so we have soem sense of movement?
[11:50]	Hypatia Meili	heckling just to heckle doe not help
[11:50]	Silversurfer	Silversurfer happens to know quite a bit about branding having wirked in marketing for the 2 strongest brands there is
[11:50]	Ginette Pinazzo	thansk Latex...and Im truly sorry
[11:50]	Huntress Catteneo	It seems we need mediators for these two groups, it is getting rather tiring
[11:51]	Silversurfer	it gets tiring because one party never wants to discuss on terms with the rest
[11:51]	Slaton Linden	alrighty, back to welcome. In general, do people agree with Ginette's proposal?
[11:51]	Lara Boyle	tis not your fault Ginette.... you deserve evey success - but with a meeting like this... it will never happen
[11:51]	Silversurfer	no
[11:51]	Ginette Pinazzo	I agree and its the positio9n of ZE too (we have our own secrte meetings..haha)
[11:51]	Silvanus	See you Lara, thank you for your time
[11:51]	Slaton Linden	noted Silversurfer
[11:51]	Nal	Somewhat
[11:51]	Silversurfer	ZE does not even have any process
[11:51]	Silversurfer	I am mamber of it and no meetings at all
[11:52]	Dancer Greenfield	Bye Lara, thanks for coming
[11:52]	Couldbe	Thank you for your input Lara, I'm sure it has been noted.. do you have a professional script writer by any chance?
[11:52]	Silversurfer	so who do you represent Ginette? You?
[11:52]	Vick Forcella	I'm missing meetings lately
[11:52]	Ginette Pinazzo	we meet twice a week and we even have our meetings machinimad..haha
[11:52]	Lara Boyle	we have four Couldbe
[11:52]	Vick Forcella	I have sort of a proposal too, did I mention http://vickforcella.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/a-vision-of-zindra/ (Vick is spamming)
[11:52]	Nal	I've gotta run. Bye.
[11:53]	Slaton Linden	Vick, I'll review
[11:53]	Silvanus	bye Natales
[11:53]	Slaton Linden	thanks
[11:53]	Vick Forcella	ty Slanton
[11:53]	Chantall Congrejo	it seems this is not a LL leading meeting and only personal feelings are spoken out, wat i miss is agenda and stick to it lead by a chairman that leads and dont forces his idees but look in al derections.
[11:54]	Hypatia Meili	i do not get all this obstrutionism. the way to go is make proposals stop tearing down others idea
[11:54]	Slarus Rajal-Palen	Be well all, thank you for the invite
[11:54]	Huntress Catteneo	Well I was made to make a promise, so even though I can guess the answer....
[11:54]	Dancer Greenfield	Bye Slarus
[11:54]	Hypatia Meili	let the sugestions them selves compoeete
[11:54]	Silversurfer	and LL needs to compile the ideas for presentation and further discussion
[11:54]	Huntress Catteneo	Is there any sign of any progress at all with Vortex? had griefer during speed build again is really ridiculous
[11:54]	Ginette Pinazzo	take care Slarus
[11:54]	Silvanus	Silvanus is missing a minimum of manners at this meetings
[11:54]	Silversurfer	right now theat email address is a balck hole
[11:54]	Slaton Linden	Huntress, I'll follow up with you
[11:55]	Ginette Pinazzo	we have 5 monutes: do we have actio0n items going forward?
[11:55]	Huntress Catteneo	the poor builders look at me and go 'do something'
[11:55]	Evelynn Kidd	a voting machine would be a help
[11:55]	Slaton Linden	Silversurfer, I just got added to the email which should help us respond
[11:55]	Silversurfer	uit would help if there was suggestions to vote on
[11:55]	Hypatia Meili	slaton ar we to only make email submsions or ad to agenda also?
[11:55]	Silversurfer	great Slaton
[11:56]	Silversurfer	so that means you have not seen any of ZA's proposals?
[11:56]	Silversurfer	only Viale?
[11:56]	Silvanus	voting makes only sense in SL when you have an IP dedection and even then it can be manipulated
[11:56]	Slaton Linden	Hypatia, either way. I'm going to figure out a process for prioritizing the agenda items anyway.
[11:56]	Slaton Linden	Silvanus, you read my mind ;)
[11:56]	Silversurfer	that would be great Slaton
[11:57]	Silversurfer	Ip addresses change troughout the day for anyone with a mobile rig
[11:57]	Ginette Pinazzo	I advise anyone who wants to get things addressed., add to the wiki agenda too....to provide transparency
[11:57]	Silversurfer	so it does not make sense to use those
[11:58]	Silversurfer	I suggest LL adds to the agenda
[11:58]	Hypatia Meili	well you can certinly get roguh idea of general concencus but a vote is not good to decide clos alternatives
[11:58]	Silversurfer	after suubmission
[11:58]	Silversurfer	and write locked, so it cant be tampered with
[11:58]	Ginette Pinazzo	if LL want s' organic' you will continue to have resdeinst empowe4red to add to agenda, as lonmg a sits not absued
[11:58]	Hypatia Meili	i sugest we can ad freely but LL can veto
[11:58]	Silversurfer	it has been abused we all know that
[11:58]	Slaton Linden	sounds reasonable Silversurfer.
[11:59]	Hypatia Meili	and maybe lockit on friday
[11:59]	Hypatia Meili	sono late addtions
[11:59]	Hypatia Meili	then unlock after the meeting
[11:59]	Ginette Pinazzo	Slaton..if you shut out agenda posting as an opytion, you are moving away from yoru stated mission to be organic......you will elinmiate even MORE involveemnt
[11:59]	Qie	Perhaps the prioritized list should be hands-off to residents (we can see the history), even if items can be added to a separate section for Linden prioritization into the actual agenda.
[11:59]	Silversurfer	since ZA has group meetings on Sundays we like to submit Monday morning European time
[12:00]	Ginette Pinazzo	just allow peoepl to post on agedna...and LL can re-edit if necessary
[12:00]	Hypatia Meili	withno time for anyone to review it as soimbody els objected(why i added thAT)
[12:00]	Vick Forcella	In RL people die, what will be our legacy?
[12:01]	Hypatia Meili	i rather nothave it locked but other said wan tome to review it
[12:01]	Silversurfer	with time for LL to complie the submissions for the agenda Monday
[12:01]	Ginette Pinazzo	we are taking work OFF of LL's hands by doing it the wiki way
[12:01]	Ginette Pinazzo	this way Slaton can just shwo up and run down agenda in order...as in past
[12:01]	Silversurfer	they gotta do some work for what we pay them? ;.))
[12:01]	Hypatia Meili	and LLseems to wan that more resident run. right?
[12:01]	Ginette Pinazzo	its trhe most inclusive but organized solution
[12:02]	Vick Forcella	Lately the Wiki is almost impossible to find btw
[12:02]	Ginette Pinazzo	all you need is URL, Vick
[12:03]	Slaton Linden	we'll need to prioritize. we're fine with that. we'll keep it open, but look for a way to review prior to meeting and confirm that people who added agree with agenda
[12:03]	Vick Forcella	I know, I know. but from the main pages all points to the *new and improved* KB
[12:03]	Hypatia Meili	why is that? ive found that withalot of parts of the SL offcial site.
[12:03]	Hypatia Meili	seems hard to navigate latly
[12:03]	Vick Forcella	We all can modify the wiki
[12:03]	Hypatia Meili	unless yo doalreadyhave th url
[12:03]	Ginette Pinazzo	ok Slaton...sounds liek soem sort of plan
[12:03]	Silversurfer	and the email submission process Slaton?
[12:04]	Slaton Linden	you can email and we'll add
[12:04]	Silversurfer	is that dead now then?
[12:04]	Silversurfer	ok, thanks
[12:04]	Slaton Linden	no, email is fine
[12:04]	Vick Forcella	for the agenda there should be no need for e-mail
[12:04]	Ginette Pinazzo	just realzie: publically published material on that wiki shows transparency....closer to the mission of letting the community evolve its pown growtrh
[12:04]	Hypatia Meili	can we ad or ned to eamil then?
[12:04]	Slaton Linden	sorry if you've had issues with the email. Should be better moving fwd
[12:04]	Hypatia Meili	only
[12:04]	Ginette Pinazzo	slaton...we all have your email?
[12:04]	Slaton Linden	add or email. either way
[12:05]	Vick Forcella	community@lindenlab.com
[12:05]	Silversurfer	sounds like a deal Slaton
[12:05]	Silvanus	Silvanus fears Sthat Slaton gets spammed
[12:05]	Hypatia Meili	i sugest people do both usualy
[12:05]	Slaton Linden	yes, email community@lindenlab.com
[12:05]	Ginette Pinazzo	great
[12:05]	Huntress Catteneo	when posting there how do you say which linden?
[12:05]	Slaton Linden	OK, I gotta run.
[12:06]	Ginette Pinazzo	ciao
[12:06]	Ramona Criss	•´¨*•.¸.♥ Bye Bye ♥.¸.•*¨`•
[12:06]	Silvanus	ty Slaton : )
[12:06]	Vick Forcella	Gotta run to, have a girl to tie up
[12:06]	Qie	thanks Slaton.
[12:06]	Silvanus	tc and a nice week : )
[12:06]	Ramona Criss	•´¨*•.¸.♥ Bye Bye ♥.¸.•*¨`•
[12:06]	Ramona Criss	Slaton
[12:06]	Dancer Greenfield	Bye Slaton
[12:06]	Hypatia Meili	comunity does that get from other comunities then? should we topic them "adult" ?
[12:06]	Kim Rongyu	bye Slaton
[12:06]	Hypatia Meili	bye slaton
[12:06]	Vick Forcella	TC all!
[12:06]	Innula Zenovka	thanks Slaton
[12:06]	Ginette Pinazzo	I feel bad we just lost a very strong possible particopant )LatexGirl)...I hope we can develop a better process so that sort of thing doesnt ha[2011/07/25 ppen again

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