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{{Bug triage}}


[14:58] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: Squirrel! <br/>
This is the transcript from the RC Bug triage on 2007-11-14.
[14:58] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: /ao off <br/>
 
[14:58] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: heya bridie :D <br/>
The following transcript is typo-corrected and compiled. Most of the off topic talks, including hi or hello are removed. Also, the order of messages may be slightly rearranged for readability. You can access to the uncompiled version through the history.
[14:58] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: bridie <br/>
 
[14:58] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: heya Squirrel, Daed, Kooky, Kamilion <br/>
== Starting ==
[14:58] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: Yellow ^^ <br/>
[14:58] ''Kooky Jetaime almost felt like she said dead kooky.. :/'' <br/>
[14:58] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: and Alissa! thx for help w/agenda <br/>
[14:58] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: was startin to not feel the love <br/>
[14:58] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: np <br/>
[14:59] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: It's not that cold Alexa! <br/>
[14:59] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: Hi Bridie :) Hi Alexa :) <br/>
[14:59] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: Hi Harleen :D <br/>
[14:59] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Howdy Harleen <br/>
[14:59] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: is too! <br/>
[14:59] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Let's just wait for a couple of other LIndens and we'll get started... <br/>
[14:59] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: I want to have some time talinkg {{jira|VWR-2826}}, so I needed a very clean agenda. <br/>
[14:59] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: hmm <br/>
[14:59] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: anyone have a jira number for "only half of the prims appear on a hud object after teleport/crossing"? <br/>
[15:00] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: off the top of their head <br/>
[15:00] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: someone submitted a patch on {{jira|vwr-2876}} ^^ <br/>
[15:00] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Alissa, remind me if I forget to leave time... <br/>
[15:00] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Did everyone see new PJIRA filter I made? https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestId=10963 <br/>
[15:00] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Did everyone see new PJIRA filter I made? https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestId=10963 <br/>
[15:00] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: Is it 1.18.5 thing? <br/>
[15:01] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: We'll use the agenda today of course tho: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda <br/>
[15:01] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: We'll use the agenda today of course tho: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda <br/>
[15:01] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: whoo hoo <br/>
[15:01] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: did we have a party at 3000 bugs? <br/>
[15:01] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: er reps? <br/>
[15:01] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: I added first three items on the agenda just 30 minutes ago. <br/>
[15:02] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: as "New Arrival" <br/>
[15:02] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: I'm not sure we should discuss them. <br/>
[15:02] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: hi Torley <br/>
[15:02] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: and hi Aric <br/>
[15:02] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: look the fruit bat has arrived <br/>
[15:02] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Oh friendly greetings everyone! <br/>
[15:02] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Thanx for the TP, Bridie. <br/>
[15:02] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: Hey Aric and Torley :) <br/>
[15:02] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: np! <br/>
[15:02] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Hahah so I'm a FRUIT bat now!? :D <br/>
[15:02] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: Aric, open mike you have <br/>
[15:02] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Hey Alexa! <br/>
[15:02] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Hey Daed! <br/>
[15:02] [[User:Broc Janus|Broc Janus]]: Do anyone know how to clear out the list of land marks..? <br/>
[15:02] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: All! <br/>
[15:02] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: hi all <br/>
[15:02] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: yeah, I noticed that top one, Alissa. I tried looking at one of my groups and got a bunch of XML instead of what I expected ;) <br/>
[15:03] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Kooky, ace title. Very apt. I like it. <br/>
[15:03] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: well, I can't remember if uhm...... watermelonds are a fruit or a veggie so <br/>
[15:03] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Has seeds, Kooky ;) <br/>
[15:03] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Broc, yes, put your Landmarks in Trash and empty Trash. <br/>
[15:03] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: thanks squirrel, just came from a meeting with voice <br/>
[15:03] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: Hi Torley :) Hi Aric :) <br/>
[15:03] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Make sure you want to delete them tho. <br/>
[15:03] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Hiya Harleen. <br/>
[15:03] [[User:Broc Janus|Broc Janus]]: Thanx.. <br/>
[15:03] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Howdy, Torley. <br/>
[15:03] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Scope, nice to see you here too -- I took some WindLight pictures of your builds the other day! <br/>
[15:03] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Ok, Howdy all! <br/>
[15:03] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: so its a fruit? <br/>
[15:03] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Howdy Kamilion. <br/>
[15:03] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Yahoo! A shiny, new RC to triage! <br/>
[15:03] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Watermelon is fruit and plant. <br/>
[15:04] [[User:Scope Cleaver|Scope Cleaver]]: Hi Torley, sweet, I hope it was the latest projecf on Alexander Beach :) <br/>
[15:04] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: watermelon is the plant on which watermelons as fruit grow <br/>
[15:04] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: As I mentioned, Thx to Alissa for creating the agenda! <br/>
[15:04] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Ohh I haven't visited that yet, Scope, but I shall make a note. <br/>
[15:04] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda <br/>
[15:04] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Shall we start? <br/>
[15:04] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Shall we start? <br/>
== VWR-3092: New "All" search is not finding many avatars and group ==
[15:04] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3092}} - Votes: 0 - New "All" search is not finding many avatars and group <br/>
[15:04] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3092}} - Votes: 0 - New "All" search is not finding many avatars and group <br/>
[15:05] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: (Click on rotating logo for web page) <br/>
[15:05] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: (Click on rotating logo for web page) <br/>
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[15:05] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Would I be correct in assuming the new google mini appliances havn't finished indexing all the databases? <br/>
[15:05] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Would I be correct in assuming the new google mini appliances havn't finished indexing all the databases? <br/>
[15:05] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: watermelon nation indeed yields no search results <br/>
[15:05] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: watermelon nation indeed yields no search results <br/>
[15:05] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: I'd agree wit Kamilion <br/>
[15:05] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: I'd agree with Kamilion <br/>
[15:05] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Hmmm... I wonder when the last Google crawl was done. <br/>
[15:05] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Hmmm... I wonder when the last Google crawl was done. <br/>
[15:06] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Watermelon Nation is a fairly new group! <br/>
[15:06] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Watermelon Nation is a fairly new group! <br/>
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[15:06] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: IIRC those things have a web-interface, so it should list the last crawl there. <br/>
[15:06] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: IIRC those things have a web-interface, so it should list the last crawl there. <br/>
[15:06] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Shall we import and give to Search team? <br/>
[15:06] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Shall we import and give to Search team? <br/>
[15:06] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Sounds like a good idea, Bridie. <br/>
[15:06] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: when 1.18.4 was released as rc <br/>
[15:06] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: when 1.18.4 was released as rc <br/>
[15:06] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Sounds like a good idea, Bridie. <br/>
[15:06] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: search finds 105 things on my name.. <br/>
[15:06] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: search finds 105 things on my name.. <br/>
[15:06] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: mostly triages <br/>
[15:06] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: mostly triages <br/>
[15:06] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: # {{jira|VWR-3089}} - Votes: 1 - Search box in title/menu bar a waste of space. - Argent Stonecutter <br/>
[15:07] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: but I think that's a different issue <br/>
[15:07] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: but I think that's a different issue <br/>
[15:07] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: noted <br/>
[15:07] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: noted <br/>
[15:07] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Alexa, you're taking care of imports right? Re: Search issues, Can you please assign to Stephany and make Jeska watcher? <br/>
[15:07] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Alexa, you're taking care of imports right? Re: Search issues, Can you please assign to Stephany and make Jeska watcher? <br/>
[15:07] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: yup <br/>
[15:07] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: yup <br/>
[15:07] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Thanx. :D <br/>
== VWR-3089: Search box in title/menu bar a waste of space ==
[15:06] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3089}} - Votes: 1 - Search box in title/menu bar a waste of space. - Argent Stonecutter <br/>
[15:07] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: Is "waste of space" a bug? <br/>
[15:07] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: Is "waste of space" a bug? <br/>
[15:07] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Thanx. :D <br/>
[15:07] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: I was just thinking of making a mockup of the menu bar <br/>
[15:07] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: I was just thinking of making a mockup of the menu bar <br/>
[15:07] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: bug, no <br/>
[15:07] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: bug, no <br/>
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[15:08] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: However, might I make a reccomendation? <br/>
[15:08] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: However, might I make a reccomendation? <br/>
[15:08] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: because with the Search and the Client and Server menus active, there's no more room for the Region name <br/>
[15:08] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: because with the Search and the Client and Server menus active, there's no more room for the Region name <br/>
[15:08] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: brb <br/>
[15:08] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: One browser I use will dynamically resize the search box when you click into it. <br/>
[15:08] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: One browser I use will dynamically resize the search box when you click into it. <br/>
[15:08] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: We could import and give to Ben + Rx team to consider... <br/>
[15:08] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: We could import and give to Ben + Rx team to consider... <br/>
[15:08] ''Torley Linden appreciates Alexa's help!'' <br/>
[15:08] [[User:Daedalus Young|aedalus Young]]: it could be smaller, just a button with the find-icon and when clicked, open a search field (just like on OS X) <br/>
[15:08] [[User:Daedalus Young|aedalus Young]]: it could be smaller, just a button with the find-icon and when clicked, open a search field (just like on OS X) <br/>
[15:08] ''Bridie Linden does too!'' <br/>
[15:08] [[User:Squirrel Wood|quirrel Wood]]: I have plenty of room for the region name and more... though I'm on 1680x1050 <br/>
[15:08] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: I did wonder where the bandwidth and packet loss meters went... <br/>
[15:08] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: I did wonder where the bandwidth and packet loss meters went... <br/>
[15:09] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: noted <br/>
[15:09] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: noted <br/>
[15:09] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: The easy search bar IS useful for speed -- anyone who uses one in their web browser likely realizes that. <br/>
[15:09] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: I use Opera, search is integrated differently there :P <br/>
[15:09] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Definitely, Torley. It's the one thing I use most often in firefox besides my googlebookmarks. <br/>
[15:10] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: but... you still have to click the search bar, so deleting the bar and adding a click action to the icon will need the same amount of clicks <br/>
[15:11] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: and with a search text already enetered, I even have to manually delete that before doing a new search <br/>
[15:08] [[User:Squirrel Wood|quirrel Wood]]: I have plenty of room for the region name and more... though I'm on 1680x1050 <br/>
[15:09] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Same here, Squirrel, 1600x1200. :) <br/>
[15:09] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Same here, Squirrel, 1600x1200. :) <br/>
[15:09] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: I'm on 800x600 windowed, a size I happen to like :) <br/>
[15:09] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: I'm on 800x600 windowed, a size I happen to like :) <br/>
[15:09] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: The easy search bar IS useful for speed -- anyone who uses one in their web browser likely realizes that. <br/>
[15:09] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: windowed here too as the client doesn't like fullscreen on my system <br/>
[15:09] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: windowed here too as the client doesn't like fullscreen on my system <br/>
[15:09] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: I use Opera, search is integrated differently there :P <br/>
[15:10] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: Please note most of the Japanese speakers use larger UI size, because Japanese characters are more complicated than alphabets <br/>
[15:09] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Definitely, Torley. It's the one thing I use most often in firefox besides my googlebookmarks. <br/>
[15:10] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: so, under the same screen resolution, we can see less characters <br/>
[15:10] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: back <br/>
[15:10] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: Please note most of the Japanese speakers uses larger UI size, because Japanese characters are more complicated than alphabets <br/>
[15:10] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: if I down size to 50% of my screen (full is 1280x1024) I have no room for anything new on my menu bar here <br/>
[15:10] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: if I down size to 50% of my screen (full is 1280x1024) I have no room for anything new on my menu bar here <br/>
[15:10] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: but... you still have to click the search bar, so deleting the bar and adding a click action to the icon will need the same amount of clicks <br/>
[15:10] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: so, under the sam escreen resolution, we can see less characters <br/>
[15:10] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: and I'm on 18.4 I believe <br/>
[15:10] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: and I'm on 18.4 I believe <br/>
[15:10] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: alexa: i'm scrolling back, can I add one more request? <br/>
[15:10] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: I do agree though that for those of you on smaller monitor resolutions, the title bar IS cramped! <br/>
[15:10] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: I do agree though that for those of you on smaller monitor resolutions, the title bar IS cramped! <br/>
[15:10] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: And even moreso if you have Client and Server menu on! <br/>
[15:10] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: And even moreso if you have Client and Server menu on! <br/>
[15:10] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: and what about people who upsize their UI for readability Torley <br/>
[15:10] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: and what about people who upsize their UI for readability Torley <br/>
[15:11] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: and with a search text already enetered, I even have to manually delete that before doing a new search <br/>
[15:11] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: alexa: when you do imports can you make yourself the reporter, not triage? <br/>
[15:11] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: I had the same problem with firefox -- I installed a menu editor extention and ripped out the menus I don't use. <br/>
[15:11] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: I had the same problem with firefox -- I installed a menu editor extention and ripped out the menus I don't use. <br/>
[15:11] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: triage as reporter is confusing to some of us doing internal triages <br/>
[15:11] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: I have a feeling that we all need to write those thoughts as comments <br/>
[15:11] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: I have a feeling that we all need to write those thoughts as comments <br/>
[15:11] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: and put them to JIRA <br/>
[15:11] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: and put them to JIRA <br/>
[15:12] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: instead of speaking randomly here. <br/>
[15:11] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Comments are appreciated! <br/>
[15:11] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Comments are appreciated! <br/>
[15:12] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: instead of speaking randomly here. <br/>
[15:12] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: I think that's always a good idea Alissa, since sometimes profound things are said in these triages that don't carry over to PJIRA. <br/>
[15:12] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: I think that's always a good idea Alissa, since sometimes profound things are said in these triages that don't carry over to PJIRA. <br/>
[15:12] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: I'll see if I can do a mock up of how I'd like to see the menubar and add it to 3089 <br/>
[15:12] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: I'll see if I can do a mock up of how I'd like to see the menubar and add it to 3089 <br/>
[15:12] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: great! <br/>
[15:12] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but where is the search box in the menu/title box... <br/>
[15:12] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but where is the search box in the menu/title box... <br/>
[15:12] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: great! <br/>
[15:12] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: Bridie, in 1.18.5 <br/>
[15:12] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: Bridie, in 1.18.5 <br/>
[15:12] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Next to the L$ indication IIRC, in 18.5 <br/>
[15:12] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Next to the L$ indication IIRC, in 18.5 <br/>
[15:13] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: OH darn it, I clicked on the release viewer! <br/>
[15:13] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: OH darn it, I clicked on the release viewer! <br/>
[15:13] ''Bridie Linden smacks forehead!'' <br/>
[15:13] [[User:Alissa Sabre|lissa Sabre]]: and it has a MacOS-like icon too! <br/>
[15:13] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: well, mirrored and square <br/>
[15:13] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Thx Daed - that's what I get for mult. installs/icons.... <br/>
[15:14] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: ok, so we'll wait on comments on 3089 but import and give to Rx? <br/>
[15:14] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: ok, so we'll wait on comments on 3089 but import and give to Rx? <br/>
[15:14] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Moving right along... <br/>
[15:14] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Moving right along... <br/>
== VWR-3088: Unchecking "Automatic Appearance Camera Movement" no longer has any effect ==
[15:14] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3088}} - Votes: 0 - Unchecking "Automatic Appearance Camera Movement" no longer has any effect <br/>
[15:14] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3088}} - Votes: 0 - Unchecking "Automatic Appearance Camera Movement" no longer has any effect <br/>
[15:14] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: has clear repro steps <br/>
[15:14] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: has clear repro steps <br/>
[15:14] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: /w{{jira|vwr-3088}} <br/>
[15:14] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: it sounds like a bug, although I have not tested yet. <br/>
[15:14] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: it sounds like a bug, although I have not tested yet. <br/>
[15:14] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: oh sorry :P <br/>
[15:15] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: how about LL to import this and test? <br/>
[15:15] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: how about LL to import this and test? <br/>
[15:15] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: OMG WINDLIGHT'S BACK http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/11/14/windlight-first-look-is-back/ ... pardon for the distraction... ;) <br/>
[15:15] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: (It includes all the 1.18.5 RC stuff too. :) ) <br/>
[15:16] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: :O :D <br/>
[15:16] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Yea, WL! <br/>
[15:16] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: (well, I just though we have no more to talk on 3088.) <br/>
[15:16] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: (well, I just though we have no more to talk on 3088.) <br/>
[15:16] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: But let's (try and) stay focused :) <br/>
[15:16] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: agreed <br/>
[15:16] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: is 3088 the same as the fly camera issues? <br/>
[15:16] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: is 3088 the same as the fly camera issues? <br/>
[15:16] ''Daedalus Young downloads...'' <br/>
[15:16] [[User:Bridie Linden|ridie Linden]]: Not sure Aric <br/>
[15:16] [[User:Bridie Linden|ridie Linden]]: Not sure Aric <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Torley, do you know? <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Torley, do you know? <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: 3088 looks like a bug, having a clear repro. <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Hmmm... not familiar with this one offhand... <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Hmmm... not familiar with this one offhand... <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: I don't think it's the same as the "fly camera issues" tho Aric. <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: but sounds like an easy enough repro! <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: but sounds like an easy enough repro! <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: yes, looks like it broke while fixing the other camera on appearance bug <br/>
[15:18] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: Daedalus, that's what i sort of what thinking <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Let's import and investigate. <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Let's import and investigate. <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: k <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: k <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: I don't think it's the same as the "fly camera issues" tho Aric. <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: assign to ? <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: assign to ? <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Aric, wanna have QA take a look? <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Aric, wanna have QA take a look? <br/>
[15:17] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: yes, looks like it broke while fixing the other camera on appearance bug <br/>
[15:18] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-2946}} - Votes: 4 - Crashes on startup <br/>
[15:18] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: Daedalus, that's what i sort of what thinking <br/>
[15:18] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: Alexa, you can assign the camera bug directly to me please <br/>
[15:18] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: Alexa, you can assign the camera bug directly to me please <br/>
[15:18] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: ok <br/>
[15:18] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: ok <br/>
[15:18] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: ty <br/>
 
== VWR-2946: Crashes on startup ==
[15:18] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-2946}} - Votes: 4 - Crashes on startup <br/>
[15:18] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: 2946 is now marked as resolved. <br/>
[15:18] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: 2946 is now marked as resolved. <br/>
[15:18] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: ty Alexa <br/>
[15:19] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: I see it as reopened Alissa <br/>
[15:19] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: I see it as reopened Alissa <br/>
[15:19] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: it was not, approx. 7 hours before <br/>
[15:19] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: ah, ok. <br/>
[15:19] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: ah, ok. <br/>
[15:19] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: interesting that our other vista users haven't seen this issue <br/>
[15:19] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: interesting that our other vista users haven't seen this issue <br/>
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[15:20] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: I experienced no major problem on Vista <br/>
[15:20] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: I experienced no major problem on Vista <br/>
[15:20] [[User:Broc Janus|Broc Janus]]: Too many glitches.. <br/>
[15:20] [[User:Broc Janus|Broc Janus]]: Too many glitches.. <br/>
[15:21] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: What to do with 2946? <br/>
[15:22] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: with 2946, I'd say let someone check out the issues mentioned in the last comment on the Installer <br/>
[15:22] [[User:Bridie Linden|ridie Linden]]: Let's leave it for now... <br/>
[15:22] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: I agree with daedalus, though since we've never reproed, it i'm a little leery of jumping on it now <br/>
[15:22] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: I'll mark as "last Triaged" <br/>
== (Slightly off topic) Vista and Intel Graphics ==
[15:21] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: One of my customers has a vaio with vista32, intel 965 express graphics. Immediate crash when the world is attempted to be rendered, after progress bars. <br/>
[15:21] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: One of my customers has a vaio with vista32, intel 965 express graphics. Immediate crash when the world is attempted to be rendered, after progress bars. <br/>
[15:21] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: we don't support that card, I don't think <br/>
[15:21] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: we don't support that card, I don't think <br/>
[15:21] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: you'd better file it on JIRA... <br/>
[15:21] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: you'd better file it on JIRA... <br/>
[15:21] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Couldn't get updated drivers because Vista decided Intel's graphics driver didn't come from sony and wouldn't install it. <br/>
[15:21] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Couldn't get updated drivers because Vista decided Intel's graphics driver didn't come from sony and wouldn't install it. <br/>
[15:21] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: What to do with 2946? <br/>
[15:21] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: Officially all Intel intergrated chipsets are unsupported. <br/>
[15:21] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: Officially all Intel intergrated chipsets are unsupported. <br/>
[15:21] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: and vaio's are generally not a default install, sony gets to OEM stuff <br/>
[15:21] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: and vaio's are generally not a default install, sony gets to OEM stuff <br/>
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[15:22] ''Bridie Linden has heard of scary Vaio issues in her past life...'' <br/>
[15:22] ''Bridie Linden has heard of scary Vaio issues in her past life...'' <br/>
[15:22] [[User:Alissa Sabre|lissa Sabre]]: (oh, great!) <br/>
[15:22] [[User:Alissa Sabre|lissa Sabre]]: (oh, great!) <br/>
[15:22] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: with 2946, I'd say let someone check out the issues mentioned in the last comment on the Installer <br/>
[15:22] ''Aric Linden shrugs'' <br/>
[15:22] [[User:Bridie Linden|ridie Linden]]: Let's leave it for now... <br/>
[15:22] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: I'm not gonna JIRA it because I don't have access to the laptop or log files, and I reccomended that she just install XP instead... ;) <br/>
[15:22] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: I'm not gonna JIRA it because I don't have access to the laptop or log files, and I reccomended that she just install XP instead... ;) <br/>
[15:22] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: I agree with daedalus, though since we've never reproed, it i'm a little leery of jumping on it now <br/>
[15:22] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: I'll mark as "last Triaged" <br/>
[15:23] [[User:Broc Janus|Broc Janus]]: xp works better.. <br/>
[15:23] [[User:Broc Janus|Broc Janus]]: xp works better.. <br/>
[15:23] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: OSX works even betterer <br/>
[15:23] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: And linux works the best. </flamebait> <br/>
[15:23] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Moving on to Critical issues... <br/>
[15:23] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Moving on to Critical issues... <br/>
[15:23] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: /{{jira|VWR-3068}} - Votes: 0 - Unable to change regions in world: no TP or manual movement across region boundaries <br/>
 
[15:23] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: OSX works even betterer <br/>
== VWR-3068: Unable to change regions in world: no TP or manual movement across region boundaries ==
[15:23] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3068}} - Votes: 0 - Unable to change regions in world: no TP or manual movement across region boundaries <br/>
[15:23] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Hmmm... <br/>
[15:23] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Hmmm... <br/>
[15:23] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: This sounds like an older teleport bug. <br/>
[15:23] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: This sounds like an older teleport bug. <br/>
[15:23] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: And linux works the best. </flamebait> <br/>
[15:23] ''Kamilion Schnook shuts up and listens.'' <br/>
[15:23] [[User:Bridie Linden|ridie Linden]]: Nice Kam <br/>
[15:23] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: It kind of reminds me of https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-162 <br/>
[15:23] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: It kind of reminds me of https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-162 <br/>
[15:24] ''Kooky Jetaime chuckles.. considering the core of osx is a flavor of linux... hrm....'' <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Alissa Sabre|lissa Sabre]]: I'm running OSX 10.4.10, but I have never experienced this <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Alissa Sabre|lissa Sabre]]: I'm running OSX 10.4.10, but I have never experienced this <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: BSD, Kooky, but that's OT. <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: me neither <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: me neither <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: 3068, maybe a temporary issue? <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: 3068, maybe a temporary issue? <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: so ofter these are temp issues <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: so ofter these are temp issues <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: {{jira|VWR-1911}} also seems to be listed <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: {{jira|VWR-1911}} also seems to be listed <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: and similar <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: I -sometimes- have failed teleports, but certainly not always <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: I -sometimes- have failed teleports, but certainly not always <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Kooky Jetaime|Kooky Jetaime]]: and similar <br/>
[15:25] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: especially during the latest server issues we had, but yeah... <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: Or only an issue with that person <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: Or only an issue with that person <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: I can contact the reporter and see if they are still having this problem <br/>
[15:24] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: I can contact the reporter and see if they are still having this problem <br/>
[15:25] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: Sounds good <br/>
[15:25] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: Sounds good <br/>
[15:25] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: especially during the latest server issues we had, but yeah... <br/>
[15:25] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: I would look for the cause of this on the local system. firweall, router, proxy settings <br/>
[15:25] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: I would look for the cause of this on the local system. firweall, router, proxy settings <br/>
[15:25] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Ty Alexa <br/>
[15:25] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Ty Alexa <br/>
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[15:25] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: ok <br/>
[15:25] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: ok <br/>
[15:25] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Next up... <br/>
[15:25] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Next up... <br/>
== VWR-3069: Linux client crashes at start with 1.18.5(0)RC ==
[15:25] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3069}} - Votes: 1 - Linux client crashes at start with 1.18.5(0)RC <br/>
[15:25] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3069}} - Votes: 1 - Linux client crashes at start with 1.18.5(0)RC <br/>
[15:26] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Lemme take a look at that one... <br/>
[15:26] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Lemme take a look at that one... <br/>
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[15:26] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Looks like a problem with mozlib on ubuntu feist <br/>
[15:26] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Looks like a problem with mozlib on ubuntu feist <br/>
[15:27] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: I see no problems on Gutsy with compiz on a 6600/nforce2/2000+ with nvidia-glx-new <br/>
[15:27] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: I see no problems on Gutsy with compiz on a 6600/nforce2/2000+ with nvidia-glx-new <br/>
[15:27] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Aric, what wouuld you like to do? <br/>
[15:28] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: In fact, If I had crashed, I wouldn't have been able to JIRA {{jira|VWR-3070}} ;) <br/>
[15:28] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: In fact, If I had crashed, I wouldn't have been able to JIRA {{jira|VWR-3070}} ;) <br/>
[15:28] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: It looks like a problem on his specific system <br/>
[15:27] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Aric, what would you like to do? <br/>
[15:28] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Wait for more info? <br/>
[15:28] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Wait for more info? <br/>
[15:28] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: It looks like a problem on his specific system <br/>
[15:29] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: noted <br/>
[15:28] ''Bridie Linden nods'' <br/>
[15:29] [[User:Alissa Sabre|lissa Sabre]]: I hope so... <br/>
[15:29] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Next up... <br/>
[15:29] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Next up... <br/>
== VWR-3080: Mac Viewer Crashes at Startup (Leopard) ==
[15:29] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3080}} - Votes: 0 - Mac Viewer Crashes at Startup (Leopard) <br/>
[15:29] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3080}} - Votes: 0 - Mac Viewer Crashes at Startup (Leopard) <br/>
[15:29] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: noted <br/>
[15:29] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: again, I don't have OSX 10.5 <br/>
[15:29] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: again, I don't have OSX 10.5 <br/>
[15:29] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: no specific information given there <br/>
[15:29] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: no specific information given there <br/>
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[15:31] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: 3080 is too broad and can't find the cause from this description... <br/>
[15:31] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: 3080 is too broad and can't find the cause from this description... <br/>
[15:31] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Maybe "can't currently repro" would be a better choice, if it exists. <br/>
[15:31] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Maybe "can't currently repro" would be a better choice, if it exists. <br/>
[15:32] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: actually, in the case of the leopard startup crash: we don't support the grfx card listed <br/>
[15:31] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: ok... <br/>
[15:31] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: ok... <br/>
[15:31] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: next... <br/>
[15:31] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: next... <br/>
== VWR-3082: Japanese Friendlist not fitting too area given ==
[15:31] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3082}} - Votes: 0 - Japanese Friendlist not fitting too area given <br/>
[15:31] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3082}} - Votes: 0 - Japanese Friendlist not fitting too area given <br/>
[15:32] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: the options in the friend list <br/>
[15:31] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: I examined this <br/>
[15:31] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: I examined this <br/>
[15:32] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: the options in the friend list <br/>
[15:32] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: the default floater size is too small to show Japanese UI labels <br/>
[15:32] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: the default floater size is too small to show Japanese UI labels <br/>
[15:32] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: actually, in the case of the leopard startup crash: we don't support the grfx card listed <br/>
[15:32] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: so, the Japanese texts overflow from the floater frame <br/>
[15:32] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: so, the Japanese texts overflow from the floater frame <br/>
[15:32] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: might want to note that <br/>
[15:32] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: might want to note that <br/>
[15:32] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: is that Dazzle specific? <br/>
[15:32] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: is that Dazzle specific? <br/>
[15:32] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: /sorry to interupt <br/>
[15:33] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: no. It happens on the _current_ UI skin. <br/>
[15:33] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: no. It happens on the _current_ UI skin. <br/>
[15:33] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: ok <br/>
[15:33] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: ok <br/>
[15:33] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: the issue 3082 is specifically on friend list, but similar thing is occureing on other floaters <br/>
[15:33] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: the issue 3082 is specifically on friend list, but similar thing is occureing on other floaters <br/>
[15:33] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: at this moment, I have no good idea what we should do. <br/>
[15:33] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Can u add that comment Alissa? <br/>
[15:33] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Can u add that comment Alissa? <br/>
[15:33] [[User:Alissa Sabre|lissa Sabre]]: ah, yes. <br/>
[15:33] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: we should import <br/>
[15:33] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: we should import <br/>
[15:33] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: at this moment, I have no good idea what we should do. <br/>
[15:33] ''Bridie Linden nods'' <br/>
[15:33] ''Bridie Linden nods'' <br/>
[15:33] [[User:Alissa Sabre|lissa Sabre]]: ah, yes. <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Import! <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Import! <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: give it to jaime and make her figure it out. <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: give it to jaime and make her figure it out. <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: /slaps his knee <br/>
[15:34] ''Bridie Linden grins'' <br/>
[15:34] ''Bridie Linden grins'' <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Squirrel Wood|quirrel Wood]]: run it through QA <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Squirrel Wood|quirrel Wood]]: run it through QA <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: noted <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: I forgt the date, but <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: I forgt the date, but <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: noted <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: on our first I18N triage, <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: on our first I18N triage, <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: next up... <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: you can use Google to search that, Alissa <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Quick question, do we have a meta-issue for unsupported graphics cards? <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: we discussed something on the size of the translated text <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: we discussed something on the size of the translated text <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: you can use Google to search that, Alissa <br/>
[15:35] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Not sure Kam... <br/>
[15:35] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: the answer at that moment was "the upcoming skinning project will solve it!" <br/>
[15:35] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: the answer at that moment was "the upcoming skinning project will solve it!" <br/>
[15:35] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: and that process is still in the works <br/>
[15:35] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: and that process is still in the works <br/>
[15:35] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: or project <br/>
[15:35] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: or project <br/>
[15:36] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: ... and I'm wating for THE output from the project. <br/>
[15:34] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: next up... <br/>
== (Slightly off topic) Unsupported graphics card issues ==
[15:34] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Quick question, do we have a meta-issue for unsupported graphics cards? <br/>
[15:35] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Not sure Kam... <br/>
[15:36] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: One of my older issues, {{jira|VWR-520}} should probably be a meta-issue for unsupported graphics <br/>
[15:36] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: One of my older issues, {{jira|VWR-520}} should probably be a meta-issue for unsupported graphics <br/>
[15:36] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: ... and I'm wating for THE output from the project. <br/>
[15:36] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Digging now Kam... <br/>
[15:36] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Digging now Kam... <br/>
[15:36] [[User:Vahn Dagger|Vahn Dagger]]: ao on <br/>
[15:36] [[User:Vahn Dagger|Vahn Dagger]]: ao on <br/>
[15:37] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: short explanation, add fallback software MESA rendering DLL for unsupported gfx. <br/>
[15:37] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: short explanation, add fallback software MESA rendering DLL for unsupported gfx. <br/>
[15:37] [[User:Vahn Dagger|Vahn Dagger]]: o_o I'm in love with this, Torley. <br/>
[15:37] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: =^_^= <br/>
[15:37] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Kamilion, I don't recall seeing an existing meta-issue for unsupported graphics cards. <br/>
[15:37] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Kamilion, I don't recall seeing an existing meta-issue for unsupported graphics cards. <br/>
[15:37] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Please look into creating a meta issue Kam <br/>
[15:37] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Please look into creating a meta issue Kam <br/>
[15:37] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: I don't see one either <br/>
[15:37] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: I don't see one either <br/>
[15:38] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: discussing gfx issue, I want to make sure that <br/>
[15:38] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: you don't simply ignroe the issues on unsupported card, right? <br/>
[15:38] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/{{jira|VWR-520}} <--- Should I start relating unsupported gfx to that or create a new meta-issue? <br/>
[15:43] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: {{jira|VWR-3099}} is now a Meta-issue for issues relating to unsupported or poorly supported graphics cards -- please link any issues relating to this there. </OT> <br/>
[15:43] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Thx Kam <br/>
[15:43] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Already linked 520 there, as it should solve most of those problems, if implimented. ^_^ <br/>
[15:37] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: ok, back to the agenda... <br/>
[15:37] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: ok, back to the agenda... <br/>
[15:37] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: last crit.. <br/>
[15:37] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: last crit.. <br/>
[15:38] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: discussing gfx issue, I want to make sure that <br/>
 
== VWR-3084: Dramatic drop in frame rate after the first use of the new search engine. ==
[15:38] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3084}} - Votes: 0 - Dramatic drop in frame rate after the first use of the new search engine. <br/>
[15:38] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3084}} - Votes: 0 - Dramatic drop in frame rate after the first use of the new search engine. <br/>
[15:38] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: we should import 3084 <br/>
[15:38] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: we should import 3084 <br/>
[15:38] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/{{jira|VWR-520}} <--- Should I start relating unsupported gfx to that or create a new meta-issue? <br/>
[15:38] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: you don't simply ignroe the issues on unsupported card, right? <br/>
[15:38] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: assign it to james and let him sort it out. <br/>
[15:38] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: assign it to james and let him sort it out. <br/>
[15:38] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: it's an interesting dichotomy <br/>
[15:38] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: it's an interesting dichotomy <br/>
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[15:39] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Trying it now Daed? <br/>
[15:39] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Trying it now Daed? <br/>
[15:39] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: it actually just went up a bit <br/>
[15:39] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: it actually just went up a bit <br/>
[15:40] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: I'll try in a more... empty location ater <br/>
[15:39] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: well, let's import and investigate anyway... <br/>
[15:39] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: well, let's import and investigate anyway... <br/>
[15:39] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: er, have James investigate :) <br/>
[15:39] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: er, have James investigate :) <br/>
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[15:40] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: noted <br/>
[15:40] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: noted <br/>
[15:40] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: 2 on the major list... <br/>
[15:40] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: 2 on the major list... <br/>
== VWR-3064: Land Search does not show Description Text for any parcel selected in Search ==
[15:40] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3064}} - Votes: 1 - Land Search does not show Description Text for any parcel selected in Search <br/>
[15:40] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3064}} - Votes: 1 - Land Search does not show Description Text for any parcel selected in Search <br/>
[15:40] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: I'll try in a more... empty location ater <br/>
[15:40] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: I'm wondering if this was a data problem <br/>
[15:40] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: I'm wondering if this was a data problem <br/>
[15:40] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Can someone give it a quick try? <br/>
[15:40] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Can someone give it a quick try? <br/>
[15:41] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: No description for me <br/>
[15:41] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: No description for me <br/>
[15:41] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: me too. <br/>
[15:41] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: me too. <br/>
[15:41] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: it consistently shows nothing on description <br/>
[15:41] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Another one for James + company then... <br/>
[15:41] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Another one for James + company then... <br/>
[15:41] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: it consistently shows nothing on description <br/>
[15:41] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Alexa, pls import <br/>
[15:41] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Alexa, pls import <br/>
[15:41] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: noted <br/>
[15:41] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: noted <br/>
[15:42] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Harleens is up next: <br/>
[15:42] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Harleens is up next: <br/>
== VWR-3079: New Search: Top Picks in on avatar display is not in the correct order ==
[15:42] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3079}} - Votes: 0 - New Search: Top Picks in on avatar display is not in the correct order <br/>
[15:42] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3079}} - Votes: 0 - New Search: Top Picks in on avatar display is not in the correct order <br/>
[15:42] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: seems to repro, yes <br/>
[15:42] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: seems to repro, yes <br/>
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[15:43] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: I would try this but... <br/>
[15:43] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: I would try this but... <br/>
[15:43] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: Some people work hard to get their picks in their profile in the right order, but the order in top picks seems to have no particular order <br/>
[15:43] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: Some people work hard to get their picks in their profile in the right order, but the order in top picks seems to have no particular order <br/>
[15:43] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: {{jira|VWR-3099}} is now a Meta-issue for issues relating to unsupported or poorly supported graphics cards -- please link any issues relating to this there. </OT> <br/>
[15:43] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Thx Kam <br/>
[15:43] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Already linked 520 there, as it should solve most of those problems, if implimented. ^_^ <br/>
[15:44] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Shall we import 3079 for James + crew then? <br/>
[15:44] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Shall we import 3079 for James + crew then? <br/>
[15:44] [[User:Saz Upshaw shouts|Saz Upshaw shouts]]: don't drown <br/>
[15:44] [[User:Saz Upshaw shouts|Saz Upshaw shouts]]: don't drown <br/>
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[15:44] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: go for the import alexa <br/>
[15:44] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: go for the import alexa <br/>
[15:44] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: james will be so happy <br/>
[15:44] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: james will be so happy <br/>
[15:44] [[User:Vahn Dagger|Vahn Dagger]]: o_O I crashed. <br/>
[15:44] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: :O <br/>
[15:44] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Moving on to the Normal list... <br/>
[15:44] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Moving on to the Normal list... <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: but remembering to save time for Alissa...let's try for 2 more <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: but remembering to save time for Alissa...let's try for 2 more <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Vahn Dagger|Vahn Dagger]]: Meh. I have a three year old comp anyways. *Refrains from new features for the time being* <br/>
 
== VWR-2410: noise dot appear in chat window when clien running long with chatting ==
[15:45] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-2410}} - Votes: 8 - noise dot appear in chat window when clien running long with chatting. <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-2410}} - Votes: 8 - noise dot appear in chat window when clien running long with chatting. <br/>
[15:45] [[User:waelya Tenk|waelya Tenk]]: hahaha <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Hi Pastrami! <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: 2410 is a variation of long living headache <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: 2410 is a variation of long living headache <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: If it's reproducible Vahn we'll have an easier shot at fixing it. <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: Strami! <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Oh special guest star Pastrami! <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: What's up d00d <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: hi Pastrami <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: for Japanese/Chinese/korean speakers <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: for Japanese/Chinese/korean speakers <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Vahn Dagger|Vahn Dagger]]: Nice tag, Pastrami <br/>
[15:45] [[User:waelya Tenk|waelya Tenk]]: : ) <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: look out! he's got the frying pan of death <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Pastrami Linden|Pastrami Linden]]: hello there! <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-2410}} sounds weird... ! <br/>
[15:45] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-2410}} sounds weird... ! <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: I strongly support to incoorporate the attached patch. <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: I strongly support to incorporate the attached patch. <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Looks like very comprehensive information from march Korda on that. <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Looks like very comprehensive information from march Korda on that. <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: 2410 is already imported <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: 2410 is already imported <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: was just noticing that <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: was just noticing that <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: oh, really? <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: oh, really? good<br/>
[15:46] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3058}} - Votes: 1 - Second Life Crashes on Install on Korean Windows XP if they have default Korean Text as windows xp user name <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: 2410 is queued for internal triage. It should be gotten to soon. <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: 2410 is queued for internal triage. It should be gotten to soon. <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: Linden Lab Issue ID: DEV-5834 <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: Linden Lab Issue ID: DEV-5834 <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: thank you for giving us windlight ;) <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: ok. <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: ok. <br/>
== VWR-3058: Second Life Crashes on Install on Korean Windows XP if they have default Korean Text as windows xp user name ==
[15:46] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-3058}} - Votes: 1 - Second Life Crashes on Install on Korean Windows XP if they have default Korean Text as windows xp user name <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: patch attached too <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: patch attached too <br/>
[15:46] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Pastrami take a bow... if you can... ;) <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: Hi Pastrami :) <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: the chowdahs are all drinking <br/>
[15:47] ''Daedalus Young claps for WindLight'' <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Alissa Sabre|lissa Sabre]]: I believe 3058 is a dupe from an old bug <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Alissa Sabre|lissa Sabre]]: I believe 3058 is a dupe from an old bug <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Sounds like a unicode issue getting to the Docs&Settings/username path to me, Bridie. <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Sounds like a unicode issue getting to the Docs&Settings/username path to me, Bridie. <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: however, I believe the old bug has been solved already <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: however, I believe the old bug has been solved already <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: I thought you were getting beers pastrami <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: What's new Aric? <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: /giggles loudly <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Pastrami Linden|Pastrami Linden]]: I may, Aric <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Where's my beer?? <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Pastrami Linden|Pastrami Linden]]: got a lot to do! <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Vahn Dagger|Vahn Dagger]]: ao off <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: I mean {{jira|VWR-296}} <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: I mean {{jira|VWR-296}} <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: TP me a beer please <br/>
[15:47] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: :D <br/>
[15:48] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: I thought you said boars? <br/>
[15:48] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: come to sansome, we got rye on my desk <br/>
[15:48] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: yum! <br/>
[15:48] ''Aric Linden gets back in line'' <br/>
[15:48] [[User:Bridie Linden|ridie Linden]]: So import 3058? <br/>
[15:48] [[User:Bridie Linden|ridie Linden]]: So import 3058? <br/>
[15:49] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: assign to... <br/>
[15:49] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: assign to... <br/>
[15:49] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: jaime or aric?? <br/>
[15:49] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: jaime or aric?? <br/>
[15:49] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: jaime <br/>
[15:49] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: noted <br/>
[15:49] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: anybody has a translation of those comments? :| <br/>
[15:49] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: anybody has a translation of those comments? :| <br/>
[15:49] [[User:Pastrami Linden|Pastrami Linden]]: you guys get rye and my days are numbered <br/>
[15:49] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: jaime <br/>
[15:49] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: ah, it says the same thing as English <br/>
[15:49] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: ah, it says the same thing as English <br/>
[15:49] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: noted <br/>
 
[15:49] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: kona bought me a bottle for my bday <br/>
== VWR-2826: Several problems on handling Japanese input (and possiblly Chinese/Korean also) ==
[15:49] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: nice upscale boutique shit <br/>
[15:50] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Let's stop the agenda and give the floor to Alissa? <br/>
[15:50] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Let's stop the agenda and give the floor to Alissa? <br/>
[15:50] [[User:Vahn Dagger|Vahn Dagger]]: =P There goes (hippos) again in the friends list. <br/>
[15:50] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: and talk about rye alcohol later? <br/>
[15:50] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: wow, thanks <br/>
[15:50] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: wow, thanks <br/>
[15:50] ''Aric Linden apologizes'' <br/>
[15:50] [[User:Alissa Sabre|lissa Sabre]]: I want to talks a little bit on {{jira|VWR-2946}} <br/>
[15:50] [[User:Alissa Sabre|lissa Sabre]]: I want to talks a little bit on {{jira|VWR-2946}} <br/>
[15:50] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-2826}} - Votes: 142 - Several problems on handling Japanese input (and possiblly Chinese/Korean also) <br/>
[15:50] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: {{jira|VWR-2826}} - Votes: 142 - Several problems on handling Japanese input (and possiblly Chinese/Korean also) <br/>
[15:50] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: it may be my fault, but I put a lot of different issues in one JIRA filing. <br/>
[15:50] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: It may be my fault, but I put a lot of different issues in one JIRA filing. <br/>
[15:51] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: because I thought it is easy to fix it when I first filed <br/>
[15:51] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: because I thought it was easy to fix it when I first filed <br/>
[15:51] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: however, for some reason, the bug persisted in 1.18.4.3, the official release version. <br/>
[15:51] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: however, for some reason, the bug persisted in 1.18.4.3, the official release version. <br/>
[15:51] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: and the issue caused a looooot of complains during Japanese speaking residents <br/>
[15:51] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: and the issue caused a looooot of complains during Japanese speaking residents <br/>
[15:52] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: currently japanese speaking SL residents' blogs are full of the complains <br/>
[15:52] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Oh that's good to know for context, Alissa... <br/>
[15:52] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Oh that's good to know for context, Alissa... <br/>
[15:52] ''Bridie Linden nods'' <br/>
[15:52] ''Bridie Linden nods'' <br/>
[15:52] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: currently japanese speaking SL residents' blogs are full of the complains <br/>
[15:52] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: I appreciate your expertise on the Japanese Internationalization front. <br/>
[15:52] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: I appreciate your expertise on the Japanese Internationalization front. <br/>
[15:52] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: so, I want to make it "fixed - closed." <br/>
[15:52] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: so, I want to make it "fixed - closed." soon.<br/>
[15:52] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: however, on 1.18.5.0, <br/>
[15:52] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: however, on 1.18.5.0, <br/>
[15:52] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: the issues are only partly fixed, really. <br/>
[15:52] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: the issues are only partly fixed, really. <br/>
[15:52] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: most of the serious ones are fixed. <br/>
[15:52] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: most of the serious ones are fixed. <br/>
[15:53] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: thank you for LL's effort on fixing them. <br/>
[15:53] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: thank you for LL's effort on fixing them. <br/>
[15:53] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: sorry bombed out there for a sec. <br/>
[15:53] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: and some minor ones are left. <br/>
[15:53] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: and some minor ones are left. <br/>
[15:53] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: I think those unfixed minor ones are OK for the moment, but I can't speak for other 140 voters. <br/>
[15:53] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Aric, was your team going to do a bit more QA on Simon's fixes? <br/>
[15:53] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Aric, was your team going to do a bit more QA on Simon's fixes? <br/>
[15:53] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: I think those unfixed minor ones are OK for the moment, although I can't speak for other 140 voters. <br/>
[15:53] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: what should I do? <br/>
[15:53] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: what should I do? <br/>
[15:53] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: that's what I want to talk today. <br/>
[15:53] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: that's what I want to talk today. <br/>
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[15:54] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: to calm down Japanese users. <br/>
[15:54] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: to calm down Japanese users. <br/>
[15:54] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: some of the changes are still in dev and getting ready for qa. simon has been really focused on havok stuff but broke away to do some of this stuff <br/>
[15:54] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: some of the changes are still in dev and getting ready for qa. simon has been really focused on havok stuff but broke away to do some of this stuff <br/>
[15:54] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: oh, I crashed. And now I was *forced* to log back in on WindLight <br/>
[15:54] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: Yes, I know it. <br/>
[15:54] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: Yes, I know it. <br/>
[15:55] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Hmmm how do you mean Daed? <br/>
[15:55] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: so I'd expect that we'll see the rest of the fixes in the next few weeks. <br/>
[15:55] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: so I'd expect that we'll see the rest of the fixes in the next few weeks. <br/>
[15:55] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: well, while I was needing to log back in anyway, I thought, then why not use WL :P <br/>
[15:55] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: Simon Liden wrote the complete fix will be in 1.19 <br/>
[15:55] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: Simon Liden wrote the complete fix will be in 1.19 <br/>
[15:55] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: As I pointed out when I closed the issue, we were/are working on the problem. unfortunately simon was pulled onto other work <br/>
[15:55] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: As I pointed out when I closed the issue, we were/are working on the problem. unfortunately simon was pulled onto other work <br/>
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[15:58] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: we can note it in next release notes <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: we can note it in next release notes <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: and link 2946 to it. <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: and link 2946 to it. <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: that way, you can add in the release note that 2946 is fixed. <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: well, I just want to see in your official release note that 2946 is fixed. <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: sounds good! <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: sounds good! <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: ok, we're closing in on 4pm <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: ok, we're closing in on 4pm <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: that way, you can add in the release note that 2946 is fixed. <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Lots of good ground covered! <br/>
 
== VWR-3070: New Search window does not minimize properly ==
[15:58] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Bridie: An import on {{jira|VWR-3070}} would be helpful, looks like it's just a one or two line fix in the xml for the floater. I kinda crashed just before you gave the floor to Alissa. <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Bridie: An import on {{jira|VWR-3070}} would be helpful, looks like it's just a one or two line fix in the xml for the floater. I kinda crashed just before you gave the floor to Alissa. <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Lots of good ground covered! <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: :D <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: :D <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: well, I just want to see in your official release note that 2946 is fixed. <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: thanks everyone :D <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Thanx each and all for coming and helping us make sense of these oncoming issues! <br/>
[15:59] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: My pleasure ^_^ <br/>
[15:59] ''Bridie Linden looks @ 3070'' <br/>
[15:59] ''Bridie Linden looks @ 3070'' <br/>
[15:59] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: I think there's an internal issue already for 3070... <br/>
[15:59] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: I think there's an internal issue already for 3070... <br/>
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[15:59] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Good then it's all clear. :D <br/>
[15:59] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Good then it's all clear. :D <br/>
[15:59] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: *looks at 3070 too* <br/>
[15:59] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: *looks at 3070 too* <br/>
[16:00] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: 3070 sounds like internal DEV-5875 <br/>
== Adjourning ==
[15:58] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]: thanks everyone :D <br/>
[15:58] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Thanx each and all for coming and helping us make sense of these oncoming issues! <br/>
[15:59] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: now, everyone download Windlight and enjoy! <br/>
[15:59] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: now, everyone download Windlight and enjoy! <br/>
[16:00] [[User:Aric Linden|Aric Linden]]: so long all. <br/>
[16:00] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: toodledoo <br/>
[16:00] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: ok. thank you for giving me the time. <br/>
[16:00] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: 3070 sounds like internal DEV-5875 <br/>
[16:00] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: Thx all! <br/>
[16:00] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: bye then <br/>
[16:00] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Bridie, speaking of which, do we post jira bugs for windlight 18.5 in the normal 18.5 category? <br/>
[16:00] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Bridie, speaking of which, do we post jira bugs for windlight 18.5 in the normal 18.5 category? <br/>
[16:00] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: oh!!! <br/>
[16:00] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: or does it have a seperate one? <br/>
[16:00] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: or does it have a seperate one? <br/>
[16:00] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Yup have a lovely day all, I've got to go too... I'll followup with WindLight issues and remember that we've got WindLight Office Hours too -- see Pastrami's blog post @ http://blog.secondlife.com for times. <br/>
[16:00] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Yup have a lovely day all, I've got to go too... I'll followup with WindLight issues and remember that we've got WindLight Office Hours too -- see Pastrami's blog post @ http://blog.secondlife.com for times. <br/>
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[16:01] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: First Look: WindLight, it's at the bottom of the scrolly list. <br/>
[16:01] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: First Look: WindLight, it's at the bottom of the scrolly list. <br/>
[16:01] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Thanks for asking! =D <br/>
[16:01] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Thanks for asking! =D <br/>
[16:01] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: Does windlight viewer support Japanese? LOL <br/>
[16:01] [[User:Bridie Linden|Bridie Linden]]: laterz! <br/>
[16:01] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Thanks for answering :D <br/>
[16:01] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Adios, amigos! <br/>
[16:01] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: oohh, the sunset is the prettiest <br/>
[16:01] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Adios for now! <br/>
[16:01] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: =^_^= <br/>
[16:01] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: bye! <br/>
[16:01] [[User:JetZep Zabelin|JetZep Zabelin]]: =) bye <br/>
[16:01] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: Hmm. no answers. <br/>
[16:01] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: that means I should find out by myself... <br/>
[16:02] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Sorry Alissa, I don't know about that specifically. I appreciate your ongoing help. <br/>
[16:02] [[User:Daedalus Young|Daedalus Young]]: I should think it treats japanese like the RC <br/>
[16:02] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: NP <br/>
[16:02] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: WindLight includes all the latest fixes up to 1.18.5 RC. <br/>
[16:02] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: (So it has thew new Search, etc.) <br/>
[16:02] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: looks like windlight was just tacked on to 18.5 <br/>
[16:02] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Uh yeah that's an apt way to put it. :D <br/>
[16:02] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: ok. I'll try it later. <br/>
[16:02] ''Torley Linden remembers all the code merge discussions that happened...'' <br/>
[16:02] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: @_@ <br/>
[16:02] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Ah, baby born! <br/>
[16:02] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Pastrami here is a happy fatha! <br/>
[16:02] [[User:Torley Linden|Torley Linden]]: Bye for now... t'care! <br/>
[16:02] [[User:Alissa Sabre|Alissa Sabre]]: bye <br/>
[16:03] [[User:Kamilion Schnook|Kamilion Schnook]]: Congrats, Pastrami! <br/>

Latest revision as of 08:35, 15 November 2007

Agenda

This is the transcript from the RC Bug triage on 2007-11-14.

The following transcript is typo-corrected and compiled. Most of the off topic talks, including hi or hello are removed. Also, the order of messages may be slightly rearranged for readability. You can access to the uncompiled version through the history.

Starting

[15:00] Bridie Linden: Did everyone see new PJIRA filter I made? https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestId=10963
[15:01] Bridie Linden: We'll use the agenda today of course tho: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
[15:04] Bridie Linden: Shall we start?

VWR-3092: New "All" search is not finding many avatars and group

[15:04] Bridie Linden: VWR-3092 - Votes: 0 - New "All" search is not finding many avatars and group
[15:05] Bridie Linden: (Click on rotating logo for web page)
[15:05] Torley Linden: Looks like some of these are headed to the Search Team for further inspection...
[15:05] Alissa Sabre: I have not examined this
[15:05] Kamilion Schnook: Would I be correct in assuming the new google mini appliances havn't finished indexing all the databases?
[15:05] Daedalus Young: watermelon nation indeed yields no search results
[15:05] Daedalus Young: I'd agree with Kamilion
[15:05] Torley Linden: Hmmm... I wonder when the last Google crawl was done.
[15:06] Torley Linden: Watermelon Nation is a fairly new group!
[15:06] Daedalus Young: it also doesn't find my Free Resident Bear
[15:06] Daedalus Young: in fact, doesn't find the whole parcel
[15:06] Torley Linden: When was that established, Daed?
[15:06] Kamilion Schnook: IIRC those things have a web-interface, so it should list the last crawl there.
[15:06] Bridie Linden: Shall we import and give to Search team?
[15:06] Torley Linden: Sounds like a good idea, Bridie.
[15:06] Daedalus Young: when 1.18.4 was released as rc
[15:06] Squirrel Wood: search finds 105 things on my name..
[15:06] Squirrel Wood: mostly triages
[15:07] Daedalus Young: but I think that's a different issue
[15:07] Alexa Linden: noted
[15:07] Torley Linden: Alexa, you're taking care of imports right? Re: Search issues, Can you please assign to Stephany and make Jeska watcher?
[15:07] Alexa Linden: yup
[15:07] Torley Linden: Thanx. :D

VWR-3089: Search box in title/menu bar a waste of space

[15:06] Bridie Linden: VWR-3089 - Votes: 1 - Search box in title/menu bar a waste of space. - Argent Stonecutter
[15:07] Alissa Sabre: Is "waste of space" a bug?
[15:07] Daedalus Young: I was just thinking of making a mockup of the menu bar
[15:07] Kooky Jetaime: bug, no
[15:07] Alexa Linden: you're off the hook from now on Torley and aric
[15:07] Kooky Jetaime: comment on the ui, yes
[15:07] Kamilion Schnook: Personally I do like the new searchbar.
[15:08] Kamilion Schnook: However, might I make a reccomendation?
[15:08] Daedalus Young: because with the Search and the Client and Server menus active, there's no more room for the Region name
[15:08] Kamilion Schnook: One browser I use will dynamically resize the search box when you click into it.
[15:08] Bridie Linden: We could import and give to Ben + Rx team to consider...
[15:08] aedalus Young: it could be smaller, just a button with the find-icon and when clicked, open a search field (just like on OS X)
[15:08] Torley Linden: I did wonder where the bandwidth and packet loss meters went...
[15:09] Alexa Linden: noted
[15:09] Torley Linden: The easy search bar IS useful for speed -- anyone who uses one in their web browser likely realizes that.
[15:09] Daedalus Young: I use Opera, search is integrated differently there :P
[15:09] Kamilion Schnook: Definitely, Torley. It's the one thing I use most often in firefox besides my googlebookmarks.
[15:10] Daedalus Young: but... you still have to click the search bar, so deleting the bar and adding a click action to the icon will need the same amount of clicks
[15:11] Daedalus Young: and with a search text already enetered, I even have to manually delete that before doing a new search
[15:08] quirrel Wood: I have plenty of room for the region name and more... though I'm on 1680x1050
[15:09] Kamilion Schnook: Same here, Squirrel, 1600x1200. :)
[15:09] Daedalus Young: I'm on 800x600 windowed, a size I happen to like :)
[15:09] Squirrel Wood: windowed here too as the client doesn't like fullscreen on my system
[15:10] Alissa Sabre: Please note most of the Japanese speakers use larger UI size, because Japanese characters are more complicated than alphabets
[15:10] Alissa Sabre: so, under the same screen resolution, we can see less characters
[15:10] Kooky Jetaime: if I down size to 50% of my screen (full is 1280x1024) I have no room for anything new on my menu bar here
[15:10] Kooky Jetaime: and I'm on 18.4 I believe
[15:10] Torley Linden: I do agree though that for those of you on smaller monitor resolutions, the title bar IS cramped!
[15:10] Torley Linden: And even moreso if you have Client and Server menu on!
[15:10] Kooky Jetaime: and what about people who upsize their UI for readability Torley
[15:11] Kamilion Schnook: I had the same problem with firefox -- I installed a menu editor extention and ripped out the menus I don't use.
[15:11] Alissa Sabre: I have a feeling that we all need to write those thoughts as comments
[15:11] Alissa Sabre: and put them to JIRA
[15:12] Alissa Sabre: instead of speaking randomly here.
[15:11] Bridie Linden: Comments are appreciated!
[15:12] Torley Linden: I think that's always a good idea Alissa, since sometimes profound things are said in these triages that don't carry over to PJIRA.
[15:12] Daedalus Young: I'll see if I can do a mock up of how I'd like to see the menubar and add it to 3089
[15:12] Alissa Sabre: great!
[15:12] Bridie Linden: Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but where is the search box in the menu/title box...
[15:12] Daedalus Young: Bridie, in 1.18.5
[15:12] Kamilion Schnook: Next to the L$ indication IIRC, in 18.5
[15:13] Bridie Linden: OH darn it, I clicked on the release viewer!
[15:14] Bridie Linden: ok, so we'll wait on comments on 3089 but import and give to Rx?
[15:14] Bridie Linden: Moving right along...

VWR-3088: Unchecking "Automatic Appearance Camera Movement" no longer has any effect

[15:14] Bridie Linden: VWR-3088 - Votes: 0 - Unchecking "Automatic Appearance Camera Movement" no longer has any effect
[15:14] Squirrel Wood: has clear repro steps
[15:14] Alissa Sabre: it sounds like a bug, although I have not tested yet.
[15:15] Alissa Sabre: how about LL to import this and test?
[15:16] Alissa Sabre: (well, I just though we have no more to talk on 3088.)
[15:16] Aric Linden: is 3088 the same as the fly camera issues?
[15:16] ridie Linden: Not sure Aric
[15:17] Bridie Linden: Torley, do you know?
[15:17] Torley Linden: Hmmm... not familiar with this one offhand...
[15:17] Torley Linden: I don't think it's the same as the "fly camera issues" tho Aric.
[15:17] Torley Linden: but sounds like an easy enough repro!
[15:17] Daedalus Young: yes, looks like it broke while fixing the other camera on appearance bug
[15:18] Aric Linden: Daedalus, that's what i sort of what thinking
[15:17] Bridie Linden: Let's import and investigate.
[15:17] Aric Linden: k
[15:17] Alexa Linden: assign to ?
[15:17] Bridie Linden: Aric, wanna have QA take a look?
[15:18] Aric Linden: Alexa, you can assign the camera bug directly to me please
[15:18] Alexa Linden: ok

VWR-2946: Crashes on startup

[15:18] Bridie Linden: VWR-2946 - Votes: 4 - Crashes on startup
[15:18] Alissa Sabre: 2946 is now marked as resolved.
[15:19] Bridie Linden: I see it as reopened Alissa
[15:19] Alissa Sabre: ah, ok.
[15:19] Aric Linden: interesting that our other vista users haven't seen this issue
[15:19] Aric Linden: we did a huge round of vista testing and didn't come across this as an installer issue
[15:20] Bridie Linden: Interesting...want to comment on it Aric?
[15:20] Bridie Linden: Anyone else on Vista?
[15:20] Broc Janus: yes..
[15:20] Kamilion Schnook: Hm, I had a problem with vista yesterday, actually.
[15:20] Broc Janus: Same here..
[15:20] Bridie Linden: same as 2946?
[15:20] Aric Linden: it's a ms prob
[15:20] Alissa Sabre: I infrequently run Vista for testing
[15:20] Daedalus Young: with Vista or with SL -on- Vista? :P
[15:20] Alissa Sabre: I experienced no major problem on Vista
[15:20] Broc Janus: Too many glitches..
[15:21] Bridie Linden: What to do with 2946?
[15:22] Daedalus Young: with 2946, I'd say let someone check out the issues mentioned in the last comment on the Installer
[15:22] ridie Linden: Let's leave it for now...
[15:22] Aric Linden: I agree with daedalus, though since we've never reproed, it i'm a little leery of jumping on it now
[15:22] Alexa Linden: I'll mark as "last Triaged"

(Slightly off topic) Vista and Intel Graphics

[15:21] Kamilion Schnook: One of my customers has a vaio with vista32, intel 965 express graphics. Immediate crash when the world is attempted to be rendered, after progress bars.
[15:21] Aric Linden: we don't support that card, I don't think
[15:21] Alissa Sabre: you'd better file it on JIRA...
[15:21] Kamilion Schnook: Couldn't get updated drivers because Vista decided Intel's graphics driver didn't come from sony and wouldn't install it.
[15:21] Alissa Sabre: Officially all Intel intergrated chipsets are unsupported.
[15:21] Aric Linden: and vaio's are generally not a default install, sony gets to OEM stuff
[15:22] Aric Linden: Alissa, we now support a couple of intel chips officially
[15:22] Bridie Linden has heard of scary Vaio issues in her past life...
[15:22] lissa Sabre: (oh, great!)
[15:22] Kamilion Schnook: I'm not gonna JIRA it because I don't have access to the laptop or log files, and I reccomended that she just install XP instead... ;)
[15:23] Broc Janus: xp works better..
[15:23] Daedalus Young: OSX works even betterer
[15:23] Kamilion Schnook: And linux works the best. </flamebait>
[15:23] Bridie Linden: Moving on to Critical issues...

VWR-3068: Unable to change regions in world: no TP or manual movement across region boundaries

[15:23] Bridie Linden: VWR-3068 - Votes: 0 - Unable to change regions in world: no TP or manual movement across region boundaries
[15:23] Torley Linden: Hmmm...
[15:23] Torley Linden: This sounds like an older teleport bug.
[15:23] Torley Linden: It kind of reminds me of https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-162
[15:24] lissa Sabre: I'm running OSX 10.4.10, but I have never experienced this
[15:24] Daedalus Young: me neither
[15:24] Bridie Linden: 3068, maybe a temporary issue?
[15:24] Alexa Linden: so ofter these are temp issues
[15:24] Kooky Jetaime: VWR-1911 also seems to be listed
[15:24] Kooky Jetaime: and similar
[15:24] Daedalus Young: I -sometimes- have failed teleports, but certainly not always
[15:25] Daedalus Young: especially during the latest server issues we had, but yeah...
[15:24] Harleen Gretzky: Or only an issue with that person
[15:24] Alexa Linden: I can contact the reporter and see if they are still having this problem
[15:25] Alissa Sabre: Sounds good
[15:25] Squirrel Wood: I would look for the cause of this on the local system. firweall, router, proxy settings
[15:25] Bridie Linden: Ty Alexa
[15:25] Alexa Linden: will do
[15:25] Bridie Linden: resolve as 'can't repro' but get more info if you can?
[15:25] Alexa Linden: ok
[15:25] Bridie Linden: Next up...

VWR-3069: Linux client crashes at start with 1.18.5(0)RC

[15:25] Bridie Linden: VWR-3069 - Votes: 1 - Linux client crashes at start with 1.18.5(0)RC
[15:26] Kamilion Schnook: Lemme take a look at that one...
[15:26] Alissa Sabre: I have not tried 1.18.5 on Linux.
[15:26] Alissa Sabre: yet
[15:26] Kamilion Schnook: Looks like a problem with mozlib on ubuntu feist
[15:27] Kamilion Schnook: I see no problems on Gutsy with compiz on a 6600/nforce2/2000+ with nvidia-glx-new
[15:28] Kamilion Schnook: In fact, If I had crashed, I wouldn't have been able to JIRA VWR-3070 ;)
[15:28] Kamilion Schnook: It looks like a problem on his specific system
[15:27] Bridie Linden: Aric, what would you like to do?
[15:28] Bridie Linden: Wait for more info?
[15:29] Alexa Linden: noted
[15:29] Bridie Linden: Next up...

VWR-3080: Mac Viewer Crashes at Startup (Leopard)

[15:29] Bridie Linden: VWR-3080 - Votes: 0 - Mac Viewer Crashes at Startup (Leopard)
[15:29] Alissa Sabre: again, I don't have OSX 10.5
[15:29] Squirrel Wood: no specific information given there
[15:30] Daedalus Young: again, me neither
[15:30] Kamilion Schnook: Worked for me on Leopard/hackintosh
[15:30] Bridie Linden: I haven't installed leopoard yet
[15:30] Alissa Sabre: do Lindens test on OSX 10.5?
[15:30] Aric Linden: yes to bridie and yes to alissa
[15:30] Bridie Linden: leopard even
[15:30] Bridie Linden: Resolve as 'can't repro' then?
[15:30] Alissa Sabre: I think so.
[15:30] Aric Linden: we're just ramping up the leopard testing tho
[15:31] Bridie Linden nods
[15:31] lexa Linden: we just tested it and didn't have a problem
[15:31] Aric Linden: we're finding some small things on internal feature builds
[15:31] Alissa Sabre: 3080 is too broad and can't find the cause from this description...
[15:31] Kamilion Schnook: Maybe "can't currently repro" would be a better choice, if it exists.
[15:32] Aric Linden: actually, in the case of the leopard startup crash: we don't support the grfx card listed
[15:31] Bridie Linden: ok...
[15:31] Bridie Linden: next...

VWR-3082: Japanese Friendlist not fitting too area given

[15:31] Bridie Linden: VWR-3082 - Votes: 0 - Japanese Friendlist not fitting too area given
[15:32] Squirrel Wood: the options in the friend list
[15:31] Alissa Sabre: I examined this
[15:32] Alissa Sabre: the default floater size is too small to show Japanese UI labels
[15:32] Alissa Sabre: so, the Japanese texts overflow from the floater frame
[15:32] Aric Linden: might want to note that
[15:32] Daedalus Young: is that Dazzle specific?
[15:33] Alissa Sabre: no. It happens on the _current_ UI skin.
[15:33] Daedalus Young: ok
[15:33] Alissa Sabre: the issue 3082 is specifically on friend list, but similar thing is occureing on other floaters
[15:33] Alissa Sabre: at this moment, I have no good idea what we should do.
[15:33] Bridie Linden: Can u add that comment Alissa?
[15:33] lissa Sabre: ah, yes.
[15:33] Aric Linden: we should import
[15:33] Bridie Linden nods
[15:34] Bridie Linden: Import!
[15:34] Aric Linden: give it to jaime and make her figure it out.
[15:34] Bridie Linden grins
[15:34] quirrel Wood: run it through QA
[15:34] Alexa Linden: noted
[15:34] Alissa Sabre: I forgt the date, but
[15:34] Alissa Sabre: on our first I18N triage,
[15:34] Daedalus Young: you can use Google to search that, Alissa
[15:34] Alissa Sabre: we discussed something on the size of the translated text
[15:35] Alissa Sabre: the answer at that moment was "the upcoming skinning project will solve it!"
[15:35] Squirrel Wood: and that process is still in the works
[15:35] Squirrel Wood: or project
[15:36] Alissa Sabre: ... and I'm wating for THE output from the project.
[15:34] Bridie Linden: next up...

(Slightly off topic) Unsupported graphics card issues

[15:34] Kamilion Schnook: Quick question, do we have a meta-issue for unsupported graphics cards?
[15:35] Bridie Linden: Not sure Kam...
[15:36] Kamilion Schnook: One of my older issues, VWR-520 should probably be a meta-issue for unsupported graphics
[15:36] Bridie Linden: Digging now Kam...
[15:36] Vahn Dagger: ao on
[15:37] Kamilion Schnook: short explanation, add fallback software MESA rendering DLL for unsupported gfx.
[15:37] Torley Linden: Kamilion, I don't recall seeing an existing meta-issue for unsupported graphics cards.
[15:37] Bridie Linden: Please look into creating a meta issue Kam
[15:37] Bridie Linden: I don't see one either
[15:38] Alissa Sabre: discussing gfx issue, I want to make sure that
[15:38] Alissa Sabre: you don't simply ignroe the issues on unsupported card, right?
[15:38] Kamilion Schnook: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-520 <--- Should I start relating unsupported gfx to that or create a new meta-issue?
[15:43] Kamilion Schnook: VWR-3099 is now a Meta-issue for issues relating to unsupported or poorly supported graphics cards -- please link any issues relating to this there. </OT>
[15:43] Bridie Linden: Thx Kam
[15:43] Kamilion Schnook: Already linked 520 there, as it should solve most of those problems, if implimented. ^_^

[15:37] Bridie Linden: ok, back to the agenda...
[15:37] Bridie Linden: last crit..

VWR-3084: Dramatic drop in frame rate after the first use of the new search engine.

[15:38] Bridie Linden: VWR-3084 - Votes: 0 - Dramatic drop in frame rate after the first use of the new search engine.
[15:38] Aric Linden: we should import 3084
[15:38] Aric Linden: assign it to james and let him sort it out.
[15:38] Aric Linden: it's an interesting dichotomy
[15:38] Bridie Linden nods @ aric
[15:38] aedalus Young: I didn't test 3084 yet
[15:39] Daedalus Young: but my framerates seem pretty normal
[15:39] Bridie Linden: Trying it now Daed?
[15:39] Daedalus Young: it actually just went up a bit
[15:40] Daedalus Young: I'll try in a more... empty location ater
[15:39] Bridie Linden: well, let's import and investigate anyway...
[15:39] Bridie Linden: er, have James investigate :)
[15:39] Aric Linden: the differences between stories is interesting
[15:40] Alexa Linden: noted
[15:40] Bridie Linden: 2 on the major list...

VWR-3064: Land Search does not show Description Text for any parcel selected in Search

[15:40] Bridie Linden: VWR-3064 - Votes: 1 - Land Search does not show Description Text for any parcel selected in Search
[15:40] Aric Linden: I'm wondering if this was a data problem
[15:40] Bridie Linden: Can someone give it a quick try?
[15:41] Harleen Gretzky: No description for me
[15:41] Alissa Sabre: me too.
[15:41] Alissa Sabre: it consistently shows nothing on description
[15:41] Bridie Linden: Another one for James + company then...
[15:41] Bridie Linden: Alexa, pls import
[15:41] Alexa Linden: noted
[15:42] Bridie Linden: Harleens is up next:

VWR-3079: New Search: Top Picks in on avatar display is not in the correct order

[15:42] Bridie Linden: VWR-3079 - Votes: 0 - New Search: Top Picks in on avatar display is not in the correct order
[15:42] Daedalus Young: seems to repro, yes
[15:42] Harleen Gretzky: :)
[15:43] Bridie Linden: I would try this but...
[15:43] Harleen Gretzky: Some people work hard to get their picks in their profile in the right order, but the order in top picks seems to have no particular order
[15:44] Bridie Linden: Shall we import 3079 for James + crew then?
[15:44] Saz Upshaw shouts: don't drown
[15:44] Daedalus Young: yes, seeing 3079 here too
[15:44] Torley Linden: Great, thanks for starting that up.
[15:44] Aric Linden: go for the import alexa
[15:44] Aric Linden: james will be so happy
[15:44] Bridie Linden: Moving on to the Normal list...
[15:45] Bridie Linden: but remembering to save time for Alissa...let's try for 2 more

VWR-2410: noise dot appear in chat window when clien running long with chatting

[15:45] Bridie Linden: VWR-2410 - Votes: 8 - noise dot appear in chat window when clien running long with chatting.
[15:45] Alissa Sabre: 2410 is a variation of long living headache
[15:45] Alissa Sabre: for Japanese/Chinese/korean speakers
[15:45] Torley Linden: VWR-2410 sounds weird... !
[15:46] Alissa Sabre: I strongly support to incorporate the attached patch.
[15:46] Torley Linden: Looks like very comprehensive information from march Korda on that.
[15:46] Bridie Linden: 2410 is already imported
[15:46] Daedalus Young: was just noticing that
[15:46] Alissa Sabre: oh, really? good
[15:46] Torley Linden: 2410 is queued for internal triage. It should be gotten to soon.
[15:46] Daedalus Young: Linden Lab Issue ID: DEV-5834
[15:46] Alissa Sabre: ok.

VWR-3058: Second Life Crashes on Install on Korean Windows XP if they have default Korean Text as windows xp user name

[15:46] Bridie Linden: VWR-3058 - Votes: 1 - Second Life Crashes on Install on Korean Windows XP if they have default Korean Text as windows xp user name
[15:46] Harleen Gretzky: patch attached too
[15:47] lissa Sabre: I believe 3058 is a dupe from an old bug
[15:47] Kamilion Schnook: Sounds like a unicode issue getting to the Docs&Settings/username path to me, Bridie.
[15:47] Alissa Sabre: however, I believe the old bug has been solved already
[15:47] Alissa Sabre: I mean VWR-296
[15:48] ridie Linden: So import 3058?
[15:49] Alexa Linden: assign to...
[15:49] Bridie Linden: jaime or aric??
[15:49] Aric Linden: jaime
[15:49] Alexa Linden: noted
[15:49] Daedalus Young: anybody has a translation of those comments? :|
[15:49] Alissa Sabre: ah, it says the same thing as English

VWR-2826: Several problems on handling Japanese input (and possiblly Chinese/Korean also)

[15:50] Bridie Linden: Let's stop the agenda and give the floor to Alissa?
[15:50] Alissa Sabre: wow, thanks
[15:50] lissa Sabre: I want to talks a little bit on VWR-2946
[15:50] Bridie Linden: VWR-2826 - Votes: 142 - Several problems on handling Japanese input (and possiblly Chinese/Korean also)
[15:50] Alissa Sabre: It may be my fault, but I put a lot of different issues in one JIRA filing.
[15:51] Alissa Sabre: because I thought it was easy to fix it when I first filed
[15:51] Alissa Sabre: however, for some reason, the bug persisted in 1.18.4.3, the official release version.
[15:51] Alissa Sabre: and the issue caused a looooot of complains during Japanese speaking residents
[15:52] Alissa Sabre: currently japanese speaking SL residents' blogs are full of the complains
[15:52] Torley Linden: Oh that's good to know for context, Alissa...
[15:52] Bridie Linden nods
[15:52] Torley Linden: I appreciate your expertise on the Japanese Internationalization front.
[15:52] Alissa Sabre: so, I want to make it "fixed - closed." soon.
[15:52] Alissa Sabre: however, on 1.18.5.0,
[15:52] Alissa Sabre: the issues are only partly fixed, really.
[15:52] Alissa Sabre: most of the serious ones are fixed.
[15:53] Alissa Sabre: thank you for LL's effort on fixing them.
[15:53] Alissa Sabre: and some minor ones are left.
[15:53] Bridie Linden: Aric, was your team going to do a bit more QA on Simon's fixes?
[15:53] Alissa Sabre: I think those unfixed minor ones are OK for the moment, although I can't speak for other 140 voters.
[15:53] Alissa Sabre: what should I do?
[15:53] Alissa Sabre: that's what I want to talk today.
[15:54] Alissa Sabre: and if possible, I want to see some words on this issue in your release note on the upcoming offical release of 1.18.5 series.
[15:54] Alissa Sabre: to calm down Japanese users.
[15:54] Aric Linden: some of the changes are still in dev and getting ready for qa. simon has been really focused on havok stuff but broke away to do some of this stuff
[15:54] Alissa Sabre: Yes, I know it.
[15:55] Aric Linden: so I'd expect that we'll see the rest of the fixes in the next few weeks.
[15:55] Alissa Sabre: Simon Liden wrote the complete fix will be in 1.19
[15:55] Aric Linden: As I pointed out when I closed the issue, we were/are working on the problem. unfortunately simon was pulled onto other work
[15:56] Aric Linden: Alissa, yes that's correct.
[15:56] Alissa Sabre: will 1.19 released with in a few weeks?
[15:56] Aric Linden: the release candidate will
[15:56] Alissa Sabre: Ok.
[15:56] Aric Linden: does that make sense?
[15:56] Alissa Sabre: yes.
[15:56] Alissa Sabre: 1.18.5 works mostly fine.
[15:56] Bridie Linden: most of the issues will be fixed in the 1.18.5 series tho
[15:56] Aric Linden: I'm sorry about the confusion earlier about this
[15:56] Alissa Sabre: it has no critical issues regarding Japanese input.
[15:57] Alissa Sabre: soooooo,
[15:57] Alissa Sabre: I think I should close 2946 with a comment something like "major issues are solved"
[15:58] Alissa Sabre: and create another issue that covers remnant issues.
[15:58] Bridie Linden: we can note it in next release notes
[15:58] Alissa Sabre: and link 2946 to it.
[15:58] Alissa Sabre: that way, you can add in the release note that 2946 is fixed.
[15:58] Alissa Sabre: well, I just want to see in your official release note that 2946 is fixed.
[15:58] Bridie Linden: sounds good!
[15:58] Bridie Linden: ok, we're closing in on 4pm
[15:58] Bridie Linden: Lots of good ground covered!

VWR-3070: New Search window does not minimize properly

[15:58] Kamilion Schnook: Bridie: An import on VWR-3070 would be helpful, looks like it's just a one or two line fix in the xml for the floater. I kinda crashed just before you gave the floor to Alissa.
[15:58] Torley Linden: :D
[15:59] Bridie Linden looks @ 3070
[15:59] Bridie Linden: I think there's an internal issue already for 3070...
[15:59] Bridie Linden: cross link Alexa?
[15:59] Kamilion Schnook: Good then it's all clear. :D
[15:59] Torley Linden: *looks at 3070 too*
[16:00] Torley Linden: 3070 sounds like internal DEV-5875

Adjourning

[15:58] Alexa Linden: thanks everyone :D
[15:58] Torley Linden: Thanx each and all for coming and helping us make sense of these oncoming issues!
[15:59] Bridie Linden: now, everyone download Windlight and enjoy!
[16:00] Kamilion Schnook: Bridie, speaking of which, do we post jira bugs for windlight 18.5 in the normal 18.5 category?
[16:00] Kamilion Schnook: or does it have a seperate one?
[16:00] Torley Linden: Yup have a lovely day all, I've got to go too... I'll followup with WindLight issues and remember that we've got WindLight Office Hours too -- see Pastrami's blog post @ http://blog.secondlife.com for times.
[16:00] Torley Linden: Kamilion: Affects Version/s = WindLight
[16:00] Kamilion Schnook: Roger that!
[16:01] Torley Linden: First Look: WindLight, it's at the bottom of the scrolly list.
[16:01] Torley Linden: Thanks for asking! =D

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