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7 August Office Hours Minutes<br> | |||
11:00A - 12:00P PDT | 11:00A - 12:00P PDT<br> | ||
Ambleside (110, 6, 26) | Ambleside (110, 6, 26)<br> | ||
Attendees | ==Attendees== | ||
Adamo Cortes | *{{User|Adamo Cortes}} | ||
Chaley May | *{{User|Chaley May}} | ||
Ciarin Laval | *{{User|Ciarin Laval}} | ||
Ernest Newman | *{{User|Ernest Newman}} | ||
Dimitrio Lewis | *{{User|Dimitrio Lewis}} | ||
Gale Barzane | *{{User|Gale Barzane}} | ||
Harleen Gretzky | *{{User|Harleen Gretzky}} | ||
Jessica Holyoke | *{{User|Jessica Holyoke}} | ||
JW Singer | *{{User|JW Singer}} | ||
Kamael Xevious | *{{User|Kamael Xevious}} | ||
McCabe Maxsted | *{{User|McCabe Maxsted}} | ||
Prokofy Neva | *{{User|Prokofy Neva}} | ||
Revolution Perenti | *{{User|Revolution Perenti}} | ||
Rex Cronon | *{{User|Rex Cronon}} | ||
Robin Linden | *{{User|Robin Linden}} | ||
Saijanai Kuhn | *{{User|Saijanai Kuhn}} | ||
Satyr Amat | *{{User|Satyr Amat}} | ||
Tree Kyomoon | *{{User|Tree Kyomoon}} | ||
Wyn Galbraith | *{{User|Wyn Galbraith}} | ||
==Summary== | |||
#Anti Gambling Policy Discussion | |||
#*LL made the decision to ban gambling because of the online gambling laws in the US, which outlaw gambling. LL felt the risk to the company was too high. It was a legal compliance with US law. | |||
#*Simulating prostitution or stripping is not illegal | |||
#*LL couldn’t give an advance warning regarding the gambling ban, since we’d virtually be condoning an illegal activity for xx time | |||
#*LL was honoring a specific subpoena regarding anti-gambling. This doesn’t mean that anyone who wants to subpoena records for frivolous reasons can do so. | |||
#*Regarding residents concern about the filing of subpoenas just to get another residents id, LL will look at each request for information and evaluate very carefully | |||
#Democracy in SL (“Democracy requires government”, LL’s a business; topic closed) | |||
#There will be no list of games that violate the anti-gambling policy. An inclusive list can’t be compiled. Ultimately game owners will have to decide if their game is against the law. However, if a game involves putting down $ for a bet, a card, or anything else that depends on a ransom outcome and pays back, it’s probably illegal. | |||
#Age Verification | |||
#*It’s coming | |||
#*Residents will be warned before being banned; only repeat offenders will be banned | |||
#General discussion regarding resident behavior, individual responsibility vs. LL policing, etc. | |||
#*Actual crimes in SL should reported to the regular (local First Life) police. | |||
#*Would hate to have an equivalent of an SL homeowners association | |||
#*Metaverse republic looking at doing an SL democracy; their rules may not be what residents expect when joining second life (and may be against SL paradigms) | |||
#*SL is a business and could be completely gone tomorrow and every would have to find something else to do. Everyone should just be individually responsible. | |||
#*Why does a resident decide to trust another resident? | |||
#**by their action and manner | |||
#**because the demonstrate “trust worthy” behavior | |||
#**freedom and trust that comes with freedom | |||
#**same as anyone does…taking small risks, being satisfied, evolving to bigger risks | |||
#**trust builds based on concrete actions inworld, statements at forums, consistency in behavior over time… | |||
#**Pretty much equal amount of residents (at this Ofc Hrs) trust implicitly vs earned trust | |||
#**LL still gets a lot of requests to re-implement a rating or reputation system | |||
#**What about getting credit histories, background checks, web profiles, eBay-style feedback, specific profile for sellers/buyers, trust only sites that use Paypal, | |||
#LL will make decisions based on what’s legal and what’s best for our business | |||
'''Action Items:''' | |||
#Question for the lawyers: If LL doesn’t control $ flow, only provides servers, would there still be the same liability? | |||
#Get more support for building the tools that residents need to take care of themselves. | |||
Action Items: | |||
Latest revision as of 18:56, 15 July 2008
7 August Office Hours Minutes
11:00A - 12:00P PDT
Ambleside (110, 6, 26)
Attendees
- Adamo Cortes
- Chaley May
- Ciarin Laval
- Ernest Newman
- Dimitrio Lewis
- Gale Barzane
- Harleen Gretzky
- Jessica Holyoke
- JW Singer
- Kamael Xevious
- McCabe Maxsted
- Prokofy Neva
- Revolution Perenti
- Rex Cronon
- Robin Linden
- Saijanai Kuhn
- Satyr Amat
- Tree Kyomoon
- Wyn Galbraith
Summary
- Anti Gambling Policy Discussion
- LL made the decision to ban gambling because of the online gambling laws in the US, which outlaw gambling. LL felt the risk to the company was too high. It was a legal compliance with US law.
- Simulating prostitution or stripping is not illegal
- LL couldn’t give an advance warning regarding the gambling ban, since we’d virtually be condoning an illegal activity for xx time
- LL was honoring a specific subpoena regarding anti-gambling. This doesn’t mean that anyone who wants to subpoena records for frivolous reasons can do so.
- Regarding residents concern about the filing of subpoenas just to get another residents id, LL will look at each request for information and evaluate very carefully
- Democracy in SL (“Democracy requires government”, LL’s a business; topic closed)
- There will be no list of games that violate the anti-gambling policy. An inclusive list can’t be compiled. Ultimately game owners will have to decide if their game is against the law. However, if a game involves putting down $ for a bet, a card, or anything else that depends on a ransom outcome and pays back, it’s probably illegal.
- Age Verification
- It’s coming
- Residents will be warned before being banned; only repeat offenders will be banned
- General discussion regarding resident behavior, individual responsibility vs. LL policing, etc.
- Actual crimes in SL should reported to the regular (local First Life) police.
- Would hate to have an equivalent of an SL homeowners association
- Metaverse republic looking at doing an SL democracy; their rules may not be what residents expect when joining second life (and may be against SL paradigms)
- SL is a business and could be completely gone tomorrow and every would have to find something else to do. Everyone should just be individually responsible.
- Why does a resident decide to trust another resident?
- by their action and manner
- because the demonstrate “trust worthy” behavior
- freedom and trust that comes with freedom
- same as anyone does…taking small risks, being satisfied, evolving to bigger risks
- trust builds based on concrete actions inworld, statements at forums, consistency in behavior over time…
- Pretty much equal amount of residents (at this Ofc Hrs) trust implicitly vs earned trust
- LL still gets a lot of requests to re-implement a rating or reputation system
- What about getting credit histories, background checks, web profiles, eBay-style feedback, specific profile for sellers/buyers, trust only sites that use Paypal,
- LL will make decisions based on what’s legal and what’s best for our business
Action Items:
- Question for the lawyers: If LL doesn’t control $ flow, only provides servers, would there still be the same liability?
- Get more support for building the tools that residents need to take care of themselves.