Adult Content User Group/09/06/2011

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Transcript for Tuesday September 6, 2011

[11:00]	Viale Linden	lets give everyone a few min
[11:00]	Counter Landfall	Hi CouldBe, Qie
[11:00]	Viale Linden	not sure everyone got the change
[11:02]	Couldbe	Innula is on her way, she says she'll be a couple of minutes
[11:04]	Viale Linden	Ok
[11:05]	Qie	Oh. Hi Slaton.
[11:05]	Pamala Clift	Greetings all..
[11:05]	Viale Linden	some new folks today
[11:05]	Counter Landfall	Hi everyone again
[11:05]	Viale Linden	Sorry we moved the meeting, but Monday was a US holiday
[11:06]	Viale Linden	will move back to Mondays
[11:07]	Viale Linden	so I wanted to remind everyone about the 9/12 deadline for the Adult community gateway submissions
[11:08]	Viale Linden	I also wanted to let everyone know that we are not tied to making this 4 regions in the mainland. We are open to a 4 region private estate with no setup fee but the normal region price
[11:08]	Viale Linden	Thanks Qie
[11:09]	Counter Landfall	why would that be a better deal in your opinion?
[11:09]	Innula Zenovka	is that the normal region price for private estates?
[11:09]	Viale Linden	yes, with no setup fee
[11:09]	Viale Linden	I understand this would give the owner more control
[11:09]	Viale Linden	or owners
[11:10]	Counter Landfall	margianlly so, yes
[11:10]	Viale Linden	I also want to say that we plan to promote Adult search, gateway and destinations to new users that age verify with an automated email
[11:10]	Innula Zenovka	though it would also be considerably more expensive and mean that group members couldn't help out by contributing tier
[11:11]	Pine Martinek	isn't there less explorer/walk in traffic in estate/islands though?
[11:11]	Counter Landfall	but how do you prompt them to age verify in the first place?
[11:11]	Counter Landfall	and besides, Viale answer me this:
[11:11]	Counter Landfall	does not everyoen have to staste their age at signup?
[11:12]	Counter Landfall	state*
[11:12]	Qie	ah, I see. So... if they're to pay the US$195/sim/mo of Mainland, they'd remain in the Mainland estate. to be a separate estate, they'd need to pay the US$295/sim/mo fee. That probably wouldn't be a huge draw, I'd guess. I was thinking that, even at the Mainland tier fee, it might make sense to run it as a separate Estate (even for LL's purposes)
[11:12]	Innula Zenovka	i don't know if private vs mainland is a key factor in traffic, Pine. I mean, Bondage Ranch and the Gor Hub are always very busy
[11:12]	Viale Linden	Just like the internet, whenever one comes int contact with Adult content for the 1st time, they need to consent
[11:12]	Counter Landfall	exactly
[11:13]	Counter Landfall	so everyone over 18 has age verified
[11:13]	Counter Landfall	they only need to set a pref in their viewer
[11:13]	Viale Linden	upon doing that, they will get an email to highlight search and destinatinations
[11:13]	Pamala Clift	I have been in world for a long time.. all over all the grids.. but sometimes I am kicked back into age verification? What does that..
[11:13]	Viale Linden	The email will also explain viewer settings - key
[11:13]	Counter Landfall	so why is it that you cn't prompt them to do so on signup?
[11:13]	Pine Martinek	I just noticed that continents have more 'explorers' dropping in is all
[11:14]	Viale Linden	its an extra check
[11:14]	Counter Landfall	yes, it is one more step
[11:14]	Viale Linden	to make sure they are ready
[11:14]	Counter Landfall	but you dont need an email
[11:14]	Viale Linden	email is nice helpful hint plus a plug for adult regions
[11:15]	Counter Landfall	onece they have comfirmed 18, you tell them to set their prefs for maturity
[11:15]	Viale Linden	its all good
[11:15]	Innula Zenovka	i agree. i like the idea of the email
[11:15]	Innula Zenovka	do people get asking during the sign-up process if they want to take that extra step to confirm their age?
[11:16]	Counter Landfall	why email if you can do it as part of the signup process?
[11:16]	Viale Linden	Any Zexpo attendees here?
[11:16]	Pamala Clift	yes
[11:16]	Evelynn Kidd	yes
[11:16]	Pamala Clift	I lectured & had booths
[11:16]	Viale Linden	wondering about event and if it met everyones expectations
[11:16]	Counter Landfall	Innula, theyMUST confirm age to set up an account at all
[11:16]	Pamala Clift	I will respond in IM.
[11:16]	Evelynn Kidd	i thought is was really great
[11:16]	Counter Landfall	it is not possible to set it up without stating age
[11:16]	Counter Landfall	so they have already age verified
[11:17]	Counter Landfall	unless they say they are under 18
[11:17]	Pine Martinek	you mean were all the peolpe pleased all the time , Viale? lol
[11:17]	Innula Zenovka	yes, i realise that, Counter, but you don't automatically get set up to see adult content, do you? I meant do they asked if they want to go to that page to say "yes, I've given you the right date of birth and i want to see adult content"
[11:17]	Viale Linden	Thanks Counter - agree the age verification has increased age verified very much since launch, but we could have improvements
[11:18]	Counter Landfall	no, so in the signup process, once they have confirmed 18, you make an extra step and ask them to set their preferred mauturity
[11:18]	Counter Landfall	which defualts to G
[11:18]	Viale Linden	Not sure everyone is ready for that- we dont want define Sl as only adult
[11:18]	Couldbe	are you actually getting many people admitting to being underage?
[11:19]	Viale Linden	yes
[11:19]	Pine Martinek	most figure out the maturity rating step from friends before long anyways
[11:19]	Counter Landfall	you dont ask them to set adult Viale (you dont ask to Set Them adult Avenue)
[11:19]	Evelynn Kidd	i know a lot of teens
[11:19]	Counter Landfall	you aks them to set their maturity prefs
[11:19]	Counter Landfall	of which one is adult
[11:19]	Innula Zenovka	my impression is the same, Pine.. i don't see that it's a huge issue, and getting the special email when you do -- as do most people -- take that final step seems a big boost
[11:20]	Counter Landfall	some may want to only see G and not M and G which is the defualt for 18+
[11:20]	Viale Linden	I would also like to remove the step for changing permissions
[11:20]	Viale Linden	still too hard
[11:20]	Evelynn Kidd	i think slome of the schools prefer the G default
[11:20]	Viale Linden	But % increase in age verified is +50%
[11:21]	Counter Landfall	how hard is drop down menu in a web page?
[11:21]	Evelynn Kidd	terriffic
[11:21]	AnnMarie Otoole	Re Question. I think Zexpo went well. I had over 200 visitors to Sin City, made L$15 in sales. It should have run much longer.
[11:21]	Innula Zenovka	that's very encouraging, viale.. how many active users are, in fact, Age Verified/PIU now, roughly?
[11:22]	Viale Linden	dont have all that data
[11:22]	Temperance Hax	sorry tobelate thughtthis was 12 today from website yesterday
[11:22]	Viale Linden	The good news is we need to find more ways to promote Adult to those that want to find it
[11:23]	Viale Linden	I think email is a nice way to sell it without saying SL is Adult
[11:23]	Evelynn Kidd	agreed
[11:23]	Viale Linden	I have my team working on that
[11:23]	Counter Landfall	sell it after the fact they have set adult as prefs?
[11:23]	Viale Linden	we will make it automated
[11:24]	Viale Linden	after they come in contact with A content and age verify
[11:24]	Viale Linden	yes, some barriers
[11:24]	Counter Landfall	but they do age verify on signup
[11:24]	Counter Landfall	they confirm their age
[11:24]	Viale Linden	We dont want to hit everybody over the head with adult content
[11:25]	Evelynn Kidd	i do (and)
[11:25]	Couldbe	you might like to actually tell people who are already inworld viale - I put it in my newsletter a couple of months back and still get people telling me that that was the first they'd heard of it
[11:25]	Pamala Clift	What about a comfort level request.. Would you like (after cc validation feel comfortable being including what matutiy level information)
[11:25]	Counter Landfall	that is another issue Couldbe
[11:25]	Viale Linden	couldbe +1
[11:26]	Counter Landfall	it should have been published to everyone
[11:27]	Viale Linden	we should definitely promote to active users
[11:27]	Viale Linden	and new users
[11:27]	Counter Landfall	What's with the CC validation Pamela?
[11:27]	Viale Linden	I think the gateway is a great opportunity with these emails
[11:27]	Chriz Collins	no one ansers me?
[11:27]	Pamala Clift	Well it is assumed if you have a credit card on file then of course you are past 18.. assuming of course..
[11:28]	Counter Landfall	it does not work that way
[11:28]	Viale Linden	sorry Chriz. repeat?
[11:28]	Qie	Chriz, I don't think we understand what you asked
[11:28]	Counter Landfall	LL aks if you are 18 or or not on signup
[11:28]	Couldbe	chriz, you were out of chat range I suspect. I didn't hear anything until your last comment
[11:28]	Counter Landfall	if you say yes, you go to all regions
[11:28]	Counter Landfall	if you say no you only go to G
[11:28]	Chriz Collins	did i understand right..if i not want go with my 'mainland parcell' change to privates..i ll...loose my land?
[11:28]	Viale Linden	can someone explain Chriz; question
[11:29]	Counter Landfall	there is no other confirmation if you re uder 18 or not
[11:29]	Viale Linden	Pam - CC is not good enough
[11:29]	Viale Linden	Teens have CCs
[11:29]	Angelena Collins	if we don't want our land to be private land, will we lose our land?
[11:30]	Couldbe	what language do you speak chriz?
[11:30]	Viale Linden	no one is losing land
[11:30]	Counter Landfall	and the CC companies does not approve that information is used for age validation
[11:30]	Pamala Clift	nods.. well it use to be.. but I acknowledge things are changing in that regard.
[11:30]	Pine Martinek	german
[11:30]	Couldbe	does anyone speak german here?
[11:30]	Pamala Clift	we can turn on a translator?
[11:30]	Chucky Takacs	i do (and)
[11:30]	Temperance Hax	have the screen before login blog posts been restored (with techs treams left out)
[11:30]	Counter Landfall	I understand German a bit, yes
[11:31]	Chriz Collins	hmmm
[11:31]	Temperance Hax	those get to eevryone, and give things exposure
[11:31]	Chucky Takacs	you can im me in german, i can translate it
[11:31]	Counter Landfall	What is the question in German chriz?
[11:31]	Viale Linden	Chris - no one is losing land
[11:31]	Chriz Collins	you want do private Region....
[11:31]	Viale Linden	sorry
[11:31]	Chriz Collins	but i not want privte land
[11:31]	Viale Linden	we were discussing a proposal for an adult content gateway
[11:32]	Couldbe	chucky are you talking to chriz?
[11:32]	Chucky Takacs	yes, was trying that,
[11:32]	Qie	I'm guessing that Chriz's issue isn't related to the Gateway proposal. (not sure, though)
[11:32]	Viale Linden	see this Chriz
[11:32]	Chriz Collins	and...all land will be then privaze land in zindra then?
[11:32]	Viale Linden	https://docs.google.com/a/lindenlab.com/document/d/1ou1-uettLf8_ybksVnweAbS4B-U91eAKEAwMUMfwaW0/edit?hl=en_US&ndplr=1
[11:33]	Viale Linden	No, chriz
[11:33]	Chriz Collins	ahh ok... (ahh ca ..)
[11:33]	Viale Linden	Zindra = mainland
[11:33]	Chriz Collins	i read the thread
[11:33]	Viale Linden	I am talking about Adult Content
[11:33]	Pine Martinek	Zindra is mainland, the adult LL continent
[11:33]	Viale Linden	This is the Adult User Group not to be confused with Zindra only issues
[11:34]	Chriz Collins	was missunderstand then
[11:34]	Pine Martinek	same tier as G or mature
[11:34]	Chriz Collins	:)
[11:34]	Temperance Hax	chriz are yu asking if your land will be made private without your wanting it to
[11:34]	Chriz Collins	yes
[11:35]	Viale Linden	Ok
[11:35]	Viale Linden	anyone working on proposals
[11:35]	Pine Martinek	I think Chriz thought zindra was estate
[11:35]	Counter Landfall	no Chriz. Viale said that as an alternative the 4 gateway sims could be provided as private regions
[11:35]	Chriz Collins	no...i know is mainland
[11:35]	Chucky Takacs	i was a litle late, so maybe a repeated Q here: did we discuss tier on the LL proposal yet?
[11:35]	Temperance Hax	Adult mainland will remain the same
[11:35]	Counter Landfall	that would not have any effect on the Zindra regions
[11:35]	Viale Linden	or have any questions about the request for proposals
[11:36]	Chriz Collins	ohh ok...sry then...missunderstud
[11:36]	Temperance Hax	:)
[11:36]	AnnMarie Otoole	Is Expo now dead? It should have run a month for all the work that was done, or even permanent. Lots of newbies discovering adult content.
[11:36]	Pine Martinek	if the gateway regions are estate, can we use out mainland tier for them, you mean?
[11:36]	Temperance Hax	Is the name Zindra still going to be sold? or canwe have the Zindra Chip shop ?
[11:36]	Pine Martinek	*our
[11:37]	Counter Landfall	Ann, you have the oportunity to buy 4 sims for a permanet zexpo (Ann, you have the Opportunity to buy four sims for a permanet zexpo)
[11:37]	Viale Linden	Chucky - based on some feedback from users here, we have opened the proposal to be zindra mainland or an A private regions (4)
[11:37]	Evelynn Kidd	i agree annmarie, i could only explore part of zexpo
[11:37]	Chucky Takacs	yes, i did read that, but that will add a lot of tier to many of us
[11:37]	Chucky Takacs	and the poor 4 that need to manage it....
[11:37]	Temperance Hax	Lots of people adored Zexpo
[11:38]	Chucky Takacs	what if at one moment they stand alone
[11:38]	Viale Linden	Poor 4?
[11:38]	Chucky Takacs	the proposal asks for 4 people that are responsible for tier
[11:38]	AnnMarie Otoole	And rent them out Counter? LOL. Personally, with all the lack of unity in Zindra relationships, I just can't see sufficient coordination to find volunteers to pay the 4x tier.
[11:38]	Chucky Takacs	i agree Ann
[11:39]	Viale Linden	Zindra will be part of parcel name if requested
[11:39]	Evelynn Kidd	a selling point
[11:39]	Counter Landfall	if it is a true adult gateway I am not sure there is much point in the Zindra name
[11:39]	Viale Linden	If there is no suitable Gateway proposal, we will just move on.
[11:39]	Chucky Takacs	Cost is always an issue
[11:40]	Pine Martinek	move on, and table it again next week?
[11:40]	Viale Linden	Zexpo will no longer be managed by LL and the Zindra sim will be renamed
[11:40]	AnnMarie Otoole	The gateway owner would have to rent access/advertising pathways, I just can't see that happening.
[11:40]	Temperance Hax	yes I think now Zexpo is over people will have time to think
[11:41]	Couldbe	what do you mean by move on?
[11:41]	Viale Linden	Is everyone OK with the 9/12 deadline?
[11:41]	Couldbe	are you planning on putting them up for individual sale?
[11:41]	Chucky Takacs	ok, for me
[11:41]	Counter Landfall	yes
[11:41]	Evelynn Kidd	abstain
[11:41]	Pine Martinek	Viale was looking for input on an adult gateway
[11:41]	AnnMarie Otoole	Have any viable proposals been received, Viale?
[11:42]	Innula Zenovka	i was wondering that
[11:42]	Viale Linden	a couple so far have been recieved, but not viab;e
[11:42]	Viale Linden	I am fine with Gateway for the record
[11:42]	Temperance Hax	give it an extra week or so I think
[11:42]	Viale Linden	I thought it was a good opportunity
[11:43]	Pine Martinek	I feel it should be mainland, less tier problems, and the added powers of estate owners aren't that huge
[11:43]	Chriz Collins	yes extra week is good
[11:43]	Temperance Hax	The addedpowers of estate are very big
[11:43]	Viale Linden	However, the destination guide is a good alternative for adult locations
[11:43]	Angelena Collins	Zindra should not change name
[11:43]	Innula Zenovka	is there a plan b in case you don't get any viable proposals, viale?
[11:43]	Temperance Hax	being able to tell what script has gone crazy is huge at big events
[11:43]	Temperance Hax	soo imprtant
[11:44]	Chucky Takacs	i don't feel that a gateway should be a private iniciative
[11:44]	AnnMarie Otoole	It is a great idea but a big investment for someone with no reasonable return on investment unless they could levy taxes on Zindra residents.
[11:44]	Viale Linden	The central promotion will be the Destination Guide
[11:44]	Temperance Hax	we had one zexpo sim grind to halt because of a texture changer anditwas not easy to figure with no estate tools
[11:44]	Pine Martinek	doesn't V2 have a script list for parcels?
[11:44]	Qie	Estate ban could be important, specifically for the Gateway function.
[11:44]	Viale Linden	Yes, Qie
[11:44]	Viale Linden	one needs to govern it
[11:45]	Counter Landfall	estate ban can be implemented quite easily on mianland too
[11:45]	Viale Linden	great opportunity for advertising of other mainland and adult regions
[11:45]	Viale Linden	rentals too
[11:45]	Temperance Hax	Perhaps people could donate extra tier to the project in return for thre months of shop rights scaled tot he amount of tier
[11:45]	Pine Martinek	parcel owners could just keep a ban list?
[11:45]	Chucky Takacs	i managed badly, his can be the end of zindra all the way
[11:46]	Counter Landfall	how can it be the end of Zindra?
[11:46]	Temperance Hax	they will own zindra name, but we can just call it thingumy continent and go on:)
[11:46]	Viale Linden	However, I imagine the new gateway will have traffic due to high promotion from LL reources
[11:46]	Chucky Takacs	the gateway, is the starting point for noobs, if you do that bad, they just go away
[11:46]	Angelena Collins	we pay enought tier now
[11:47]	Evelynn Kidd	we are only talking about the one gateway sim and the 4 zexpo sims
[11:47]	Counter Landfall	if you plan on forking out $800 in monthly tier, there is no room for bad
[11:47]	Chucky Takacs	so that scares me if that is in private hands
[11:47]	Qie	wait, i think we mean the 4 gateway sims... that were Zexpo sims.
[11:47]	Chucky Takacs	i hope you put your hand in the fire for that then
[11:47]	Temperance Hax	I prefer LL doing it because they are neutral
[11:47]	Pine Martinek	to get new people I have 30 bots that spam them with LM to my shop, and I set them loose in welcome areas
[11:47]	Pine Martinek	kidding
[11:48]	Temperance Hax	itis like seating at a wedding
[11:48]	Temperance Hax	the nutral people are the hosts
[11:48]	Chucky Takacs	i agree
[11:48]	Huntress Catteneo	sorry yesterday I was told meet at 12 :(
[11:48]	Temperance Hax	(if anyonehas beento a weeding and seen uncle bertsat next to sat nex to cousing gertie and a food fight..)
[11:49]	Viale Linden	Just bringing reidents forward and moving LL behind the scenes. It is a change, but one we see as necessary after reviewing the status quo of LL sims in adult regions
[11:49]	Innula Zenovka	if people want to access adult content, i don't think a bad experience at a gateway will put them off too much.. and i have to say that, in general, private estates seem at least as well run as LL-run ones
[11:49]	Viale Linden	sorry Huntress
[11:49]	Counter Landfall	well, it does not remove your obligation to have search, DG and events working also for adult regions
[11:49]	Viale Linden	Or better - innula
[11:50]	Innula Zenovka	Innula Zenovka was being diplomatic
[11:50]	Counter Landfall	that is what we already pay for
[11:50]	Viale Linden	I have seen LL chat zones and the White tiger- big difference
[11:50]	Pine Martinek	a gateway may end up just being huge adboards you mean, and scare them away?
[11:50]	Viale Linden	That would be a shame
[11:50]	Chucky Takacs	can be pine
[11:50]	Viale Linden	We would review the performance of the gateway
[11:51]	Huntress Catteneo	have that now
[11:51]	Viale Linden	we will not let it be like Zindra sim
[11:51]	Counter Landfall	what would the metrics be Viale?
[11:51]	AnnMarie Otoole	Is there a plan B for the Zexpo sims if no viable plan surfaces?
[11:51]	Counter Landfall	you'd need to make that known upfront
[11:51]	Huntress Catteneo	places on sims next to gateways have huge signs facing in
[11:51]	Viale Linden	We need excitement and we dont need LL as the middleman (current situation)
[11:52]	Viale Linden	let me answer Ann Marie
[11:52]	Evelynn Kidd	i am exciting
[11:52]	Temperance Hax	LL cant do one? have an entry point at zindra? perhasp rotate groups doing it so its content changes every three months?
[11:52]	Pine Martinek	would a group with a democratic admin work to police the gateway?
[11:53]	Viale Linden	If we do not get a proposal, then the plan B promote unofficial gateways
[11:53]	Viale Linden	However the status quo is going away
[11:53]	Counter Landfall	meaning?
[11:53]	Chucky Takacs	can you put one at the center of my shop, lol
[11:54]	Huntress Catteneo	what do see as being the status quo?
[11:54]	Viale Linden	counter - is that ? at me?
[11:54]	Counter Landfall	yes
[11:54]	Counter Landfall	what does an unoffical gateway mean?
[11:54]	Viale Linden	The LL presence in Zindra and adult land will go away
[11:54]	Counter Landfall	and does that include a web baased gateway?
[11:55]	Couldbe	you'll let various landowners set up and put them in the dg if they meet certain rules?
[11:55]	Temperance Hax	What about the sandbox?
[11:55]	Viale Linden	Counter - there are welcome areas in Adult today
[11:55]	Temperance Hax	Zindra Vortex? It is a lovely thing
[11:55]	Viale Linden	TBd
[11:55]	Counter Landfall	yes, but again, if you take this route, you need to have criterias otherwise it will be completely random
[11:56]	Temperance Hax	LL used ot have hubs, perhaps those could be at Zindra
[11:56]	Counter Landfall	which you also need to have and make know upfront when you say you want to evaluate the gateway
[11:56]	Chucky Takacs	and a way to not excude the "medium level" players
[11:56]	Viale Linden	Brett Linden will review and it will each submission to teh destinatin Guide
[11:56]	Counter Landfall	developing a gatewy is a massive udnertaking in both time and monetary efforts
[11:57]	Viale Linden	agree - dont doubt that
[11:57]	Counter Landfall	so anyone doing it will need to know what criterias you will benchmark it agaisnt
[11:57]	Temperance Hax	I think Vortex has a valuable role- evenif it is just fr rezzing clumps that mayhave sex beds lol
[11:57]	Viale Linden	Send me a proposal - criteria is there
[11:58]	Counter Landfall	well, you must be albe to define your own success factors
[11:58]	Pine Martinek	does LL have the abilty to figure out how much revenue is made in Zindra?
[11:58]	Temperance Hax	Canwe have a time extension for proposal please
[11:58]	Counter Landfall	and would we be able to demand traffic guarantees from you?
[11:59]	Viale Linden	Temp - for the gateway proposal?
[11:59]	Counter Landfall	if you dont send traffic in the direction of the gateway, then no pay
[11:59]	Temperance Hax	yes
[11:59]	Pine Martinek	traffic guarantees = ?
[11:59]	Temperance Hax	for the gateway proposal
[11:59]	Viale Linden	Lets give it one more week with 9/19
[12:00]	Temperance Hax	thank you
[12:00]	Counter Landfall	all right
[12:00]	Counter Landfall	I will relay that to ZA
[12:00]	Viale Linden	vortex is on mainland
[12:00]	Viale Linden	will not goaway
[12:00]	Huntress Catteneo	so what exactly happens with Vortex? that is a proposal as well?
[12:00]	Couldbe	since the kids have only just gone back to school and what you're asking for is pretty detailed
[12:00]	Viale Linden	zexpo regions are going away
[12:00]	Couldbe	why don't you make it the end of the month
[12:01]	Couldbe	I really would suggest that
[12:01]	Temperance Hax	Oh good, I feel Vortex is all to good:)
[12:01]	Viale Linden	end of month
[12:01]	Temperance Hax	agrees with couldbe
[12:01]	Counter Landfall	good
[12:01]	Viale Linden	August and sept are hard for sure
[12:01]	Evelynn Kidd	i use vortex as my sandbox of choice
[12:02]	Couldbe	we do need a premium adult sandbox as well
[12:02]	Viale Linden	nice idea
[12:02]	Viale Linden	couldbe
[12:02]	Viale Linden	ok
[12:02]	Temperance Hax	oh yesss lovely
[12:02]	Viale Linden	time is up
[12:02]	Evelynn Kidd	thanks

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Adult Content User Group/09/06/2011

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Transcript for Tuesday September 6, 2011

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