Adult Content User Group/09/19/2011

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Transcript for Monday September 19, 2011

[10:58]	Qie	Hi folks
[10:59]	Zada Bury	Heya Qie
[10:59]	Ann Otoole	80k+ (80k +)
[10:59]	Zada Bury	oh, heya Viale
[10:59]	Qie	Hi Viale (Hi Avenue)
[10:59]	Counter Landfall	wow
[10:59]	Aelfwine Crystal	quiet, quiet...here comes da man :) (quiet, quiet ... here comes the man:))
[10:59]	Counter Landfall	Hi Viale (Hi Avenue)
[10:59]	Viale Linden	Hi
[10:59]	Viale Linden	oh jeez
[10:59]	Aelfwine Crystal	laughs
[11:00]	Viale Linden	lets give everyone a few min
[11:00]	Counter Landfall	why not
[11:00]	Counter Landfall	can we call it meeting lag?
[11:01]	Aelfwine Crystal	Say, can I ask something? Just curious when LL went to just checking an "I'm over 18" box only?
[11:01]	Viale Linden	Thanks Zada
[11:01]	Aelfwine Crystal	For age verify, that is
[11:01]	Counter Landfall	few weeks ago
[11:01]	Viale Linden	Not sure I understand
[11:01]	Dancer Greenfield	No more age verification now?
[11:01]	Dancer Greenfield	That's cool, it sucked anyway
[11:02]	Counter Landfall	that is the age verification
[11:02]	Counter Landfall	industry standard
[11:02]	Aelfwine Crystal	Aelfwine Crystal frowns and nods, "Yep, all you have to do is click"
[11:02]	Aelfwine Crystal	Makes the whole forced move seem silly, if you ask me
[11:02]	Viale Linden	Have you been here: https://secondlife.com/my/account/verification.php?lang=en-US
[11:03]	Viale Linden	Thanks counter
[11:03]	Dancer Greenfield	The old age verifivation was a laugh anyway... any 12-year-old could type in his Dad's drivers license number
[11:03]	Aelfwine Crystal	True enough, I agree
[11:03]	Innula Zenovka	hi everyone
[11:03]	Aelfwine Crystal	Hi Innula
[11:03]	Viale Linden	Hi Innula
[11:03]	Counter Landfall	Hi Innula, everyone new
[11:03]	Viale Linden	Huntress
[11:03]	Viale Linden	Hi Qie and Counter
[11:04]	Viale Linden	Hi Chriz
[11:04]	Viale Linden	Ok
[11:04]	Chriz Collins	hi:)
[11:04]	Viale Linden	I think we should get started
[11:05]	Viale Linden	As I mentioned last week. We may need to change the frequency of these meetings to keep the discussion fresh
[11:05]	Dancer Greenfield	Twice a week now?
[11:05]	Viale Linden	Just a quick status update
[11:05]	Zada Bury	What frequence you have in the mind?
[11:05]	Huntress Catteneo	lol Dancer
[11:05]	Viale Linden	We have received some proposals from the RFP for an adult content gateway
[11:06]	Viale Linden	We are anxious to get going on that
[11:06]	Huntress Catteneo	RFP?
[11:06]	Viale Linden	some other updates
[11:06]	Nal	request for proposal
[11:06]	Viale Linden	We worked with the Premium Product team and pushed forward some Adult Premium sandboxes
[11:07]	Counter Landfall	sounds good
[11:07]	Zada Bury	"some"?
[11:07]	Viale Linden	And Friday, we started adding Adult Categories to the Destination guide
[11:07]	Viale Linden	Zada - 4
[11:07]	Nal	Are they live now or coming soon?
[11:07]	Huntress Catteneo	which is nice for premium people, rest get...?
[11:07]	Viale Linden	They are live on the DG
[11:07]	Innula Zenovka	excellent news about the gateway proposals.. what happens next with those?
[11:07]	Zada Bury	Ah, the 4 sims which make 1 premium Sandbox.
[11:07]	Counter Landfall	is there a list of the categories?
[11:08]	Viale Linden	looking forward to see some more destination entrees
[11:08]	Viale Linden	http://secondlife.com/destinations?lang=en-US
[11:08]	Viale Linden	Love the main image on the DG from Frolic Mills
[11:09]	Viale Linden	The Destination guide is our crowned jewell
[11:09]	Viale Linden	love it
[11:09]	Viale Linden	Ok
[11:09]	Counter Landfall	Why not add the most popular adutl categories from SLM?
[11:09]	Zada Bury	Ah, finally a DG-point, where I can put my place in without tricks.
[11:09]	Viale Linden	That is my update
[11:09]	Viale Linden	Zada - pls explain
[11:09]	Counter Landfall	I sent you a list of what they are
[11:10]	Zada Bury	In the past was no possible DG-target, where I can ut my place in ... without a bit "tricking" or alternate the background.
[11:10]	Zada Bury	Now one is there, where it's fitting in.
[11:11]	Innula Zenovka	that's great about the destination guide -- i saw blacksilk in there over the weekend when i logged in and wondered if that was new
[11:11]	Viale Linden	Submit it to Editor@lindenlab.com and they will help you
[11:12]	Zada Bury	Nice .... now I even not need to digg trough the old chat-ligs ^.^
[11:12]	Viale Linden	Yes, Innula. Hopefully, we can get some good pics from you to add some more good content
[11:13]	Innula Zenovka	Vesta and I are still a bit nervous about putting our place in.. we would like the traffic but are a bit worried about the potential disruption
[11:13]	Viale Linden	In the coming weeks, we are working on an email to make it easier for residents to understand how to age veriify
[11:14]	Viale Linden	I agree with some of you that the flow needs help
[11:14]	Counter Landfall	Why not add the most popular adutl categories from SLM to the DG?
[11:17]	Viale Linden	We reviewed several options for categories and in the end, we felt these were the best for mass web viewing.
[11:17]	Viale Linden	Cound change over time
[11:17]	Counter Landfall	Felt? :-)
[11:18]	Counter Landfall	Based on what criteria?
[11:18]	Viale Linden	In terms of a wide audience
[11:19]	Amo Paine	sorry i am late
[11:20]	Counter Landfall	so is the DG for internal consumption primarily, or is it a prospecting tool?
[11:20]	Viale Linden	counter ~ could change over time
[11:20]	Viale Linden	for existing and new residents
[11:21]	Counter Landfall	will the DG entries be visible unless you have verified?
[11:21]	Counter Landfall	like in SLM?
[11:21]	Viale Linden	It is a tool for residents to go to these places and they can of course learn about other places in "A" regions by talking to other residents
[11:22]	Viale Linden	Just like how Zagats works for travelers
[11:22]	Viale Linden	Please submit your picks
[11:22]	Counter Landfall	right
[11:23]	Viale Linden	How many here visit the Destination Guide?
[11:23]	Counter Landfall	I am just struggling a bit to understand the classification because you have a fashion category
[11:23]	Counter Landfall	and a very large section of what is listed on SLM under adult falls under that
[11:23]	Huntress Catteneo	only when I have a place in it
[11:23]	Aelfwine Crystal	Mmm, perhaps, Fashion isn't too "adult"
[11:23]	Counter Landfall	so does that mean we can list such items on adult regions under fashion?
[11:23]	Amo Paine	i use the guide
[11:23]	Qie	I use DG sometimes.
[11:24]	Nal	I use Dg
[11:24]	Innula Zenovka	i look at it sometimes, but most of the time i'm too busy scripting and building to do much
[11:25]	Viale Linden	Yes
[11:25]	Huntress Catteneo	likewise Innula lol
[11:25]	Viale Linden	So Counter to answer your question
[11:25]	Counter Landfall	Apparel has listed 41873 adult items on SLM
[11:25]	Counter Landfall	Avatar Appearance
[11:26]	Viale Linden	The editor will review submissions to the DG. They will probably not entertain places that are overtly commercial.
[11:26]	Viale Linden	That is what Classifieds are for
[11:26]	Counter Landfall	Home and Garden 21174
[11:26]	Huntress Catteneo	a lot now I see are hunts
[11:26]	Counter Landfall	heh, why does not that apply to non adult?
[11:26]	Ann Otoole	you mean like "clubs" that are really shopping malls?
[11:26]	Counter Landfall	the calssifieds listed there
[11:26]	Innula Zenovka	adult fashions and commerce -- surely that's for commerical stuff?
[11:27]	Aelfwine Crystal	How and to who does one submit a Destination?
[11:27]	Viale Linden	Let me get you the form
[11:27]	Aelfwine Crystal	Thank you
[11:27]	Counter Landfall	there are 241 places listed under clothing in DG
[11:27]	Qie	So far, they've been pretty liberal with DG, Adult or not.
[11:28]	Innula Zenovka	could you please explain about "They will probably not entertain places that are overtly commercial." viale?
[11:28]	Huntress Catteneo	and when form fails just email >:)
[11:28]	Counter Landfall	50 lications for skins and shapes
[11:28]	Counter Landfall	I guess they are all commercial?
[11:28]	Viale Linden	Here is a comprehensive FAQ on Destination Guide questions. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Destination_Guide_FAQ
[11:28]	Aelfwine Crystal	Seems Fashion and Jewelry already are commercial
[11:28]	Aelfwine Crystal	Thank you Vaile
[11:29]	Innula Zenovka	if Vesta and I do put our place in, we'd want it to be in "Fashions and Commerce" along with the other animation shops
[11:29]	Viale Linden	if you have any questions that are not answered - Brett Linden who visited a couple weeks ago can answer your questions - editor@lindenlab.com
[11:30]	Aelfwine Crystal	Aelfwine Crystal nods
[11:30]	Viale Linden	I think this is a small step, but a big one
[11:30]	Viale Linden	SL is a platform for self-expression and adult can live up there right next to academc showcase
[11:31]	Viale Linden	I have taken your feedback over the last 8-12 weeks and have made a lot of progress internally in terms of bringing your value forward
[11:32]	Viale Linden	many of you have been very insightful
[11:32]	Counter Landfall	keep it up ;-)
[11:33]	Amo Paine	you are doing a good job, viale, i believe
[11:33]	Viale Linden	Given the History, we need to think these things outbefore being tactical
[11:33]	Huntress Catteneo	I know Gina submitted updated proposal
[11:34]	Viale Linden	I have very impressed with the Adult content folks. You all have alot of integrity and want this to succeed.
[11:34]	Viale Linden	Your passion has been noted with execs at the lab
[11:35]	Amo Paine	flatter will keep me happy
[11:35]	Huntress Catteneo	means little to me, action is good though
[11:35]	Viale Linden	I did receive Gina's proposal.
[11:35]	Innula Zenovka	what happens next with the adult content gateway proposals, viale.. do LL just review them and then announce which one has been selected?
[11:36]	Viale Linden	Yes, we will review and start integrating into our promotions for adult content
[11:37]	Viale Linden	However, I want yall to know the DG also provides you equal ground
[11:37]	Viale Linden	I really dont wnat the AC gateway to be Linden ruled
[11:38]	Viale Linden	This is a solution to the status quo that stagnated this groups thought around Zindra SIm and Events sanctioned by LL
[11:38]	Counter Landfall	Let me ask again, have you made any projectsions of how much traffic you will send in that direction?
[11:38]	Innula Zenovka	i think having it owned and run by residents is a very good idea, myself
[11:39]	Viale Linden	Yes, I have very careful to stay out of the process with some of the RFPs
[11:39]	Viale Linden	I want them to welcome folks and provide a gateway for others to advertisie, but beyond that I am staying out of designs
[11:41]	Viale Linden	I think this group has come a long way from discussions about the name of zindra sim
[11:42]	Huntress Catteneo	always the sticky point in my mind, determining who does or doesn't get to advertise etc
[11:42]	Counter Landfall	I think most of us ended that discussion in Sept 2009
[11:42]	Viale Linden	Counter ~ So I want to do a larger email to active 18 yr olds that have not age verfied and a follow up promoting AC
[11:42]	Counter Landfall	sounds very good
[11:42]	Viale Linden	Then if that works out
[11:42]	Counter Landfall	I welcome that
[11:43]	Viale Linden	I want to automate the age verification step via email to new users
[11:43]	Counter Landfall	ok, but don't they confirm age on signup?
[11:43]	Viale Linden	we will tes, test and refine
[11:44]	Viale Linden	Flows will improve over time, but as you know dev has a lot on its plate
[11:45]	Viale Linden	We will try to help via email
[11:45]	Innula Zenovka	yeah, Counter, but i think this is confirming that, as well as being eligable to see adult content, you want to.. correct me, please, viale, if i am mistaken.. which i see as a big boost cos it tells people, right at sign up, that we're here and they might want to see more
[11:45]	Counter Landfall	the algorithm is. If signup is over 18 write age verified = true to database on signup along with any other info
[11:45]	Counter Landfall	the only thing they have to do is set a pref
[11:46]	Viale Linden	We have that extra step to age verfiy, so users can control the content they are about to see
[11:46]	Viale Linden	Just like onn the web
[11:46]	Counter Landfall	no (on)
[11:46]	Counter Landfall	that is not age verification
[11:46]	Counter Landfall	that is setting a pref in the viewer
[11:47]	Counter Landfall	the age verification step is confirm age 18 or higher
[11:47]	Viale Linden	Yes, that pref in the viewer needs to be made into a onse step
[11:47]	Counter Landfall	which they do on signup
[11:47]	Viale Linden	I think that is good feedback
[11:48]	Viale Linden	counter - we cannot go a week without that discussion.
[11:48]	Viale Linden	Now I knwo it is Monday
[11:48]	Viale Linden	lol
[11:48]	Amo Paine	lol
[11:48]	Counter Landfall	I am only trying to get you to see that you already do the age verify on initial signup
[11:48]	Huntress Catteneo	Counter, your idea always seems to be force as many into adult as possible, some would complain to LL about that for sure
[11:49]	Counter Landfall	setting the pref in the viewer is the confirmation stefp of what they want to see
[11:49]	Viale Linden	I think counter just wants the experience to be a smooth flow with out so many bandaids
[11:49]	Viale Linden	I agree
[11:49]	Counter Landfall	and it should defualt to G+M as it does now
[11:50]	Viale Linden	Rob is a big advocate of flow and changing the age verification flow in Late June was a 1st step
[11:50]	Aelfwine Crystal	Step one, sign up, saying you're 18 when you sign the TOS, Step 2, click "I'm over 18" under age verification, Step 3, change the viewer settings. It is rather a lot
[11:50]	Viale Linden	The old flow required a few aspirin
[11:50]	Counter Landfall	step to is redundant
[11:51]	Counter Landfall	two?
[11:51]	Aelfwine Crystal	That is IF the TOS reflects the over 18 thing, now
[11:51]	Viale Linden	The old flow made it tough for 40 yr olds
[11:52]	Viale Linden	So any events or updates you would like to share before we end
[11:53]	Huntress Catteneo	if I wasn't half asleep yes
[11:53]	Viale Linden	go ahead Huntress
[11:53]	Viale Linden	I am sorry for boring you
[11:53]	Huntress Catteneo	no is 4.23am here
[11:54]	Zada Bury	no boreing here ... only problem solveing in IM (no boreing here ... only problem in solveing ??IM)
[11:54]	Huntress Catteneo	and I have had 4 hrs sleep in last 72
[11:54]	Viale Linden	ahhh
[11:54]	Zada Bury	hands a "red bull"
[11:54]	Huntress Catteneo	so nodding off a bit
[11:54]	Viale Linden	nice
[11:54]	Huntress Catteneo	oh ick lol
[11:55]	Huntress Catteneo	and I already have the wings lol
[11:55]	Amo Paine	you look good when you are nodding off
[11:55]	Viale Linden	where is my friend Evelyn?
[11:55]	Huntress Catteneo	normally tempy keeps me awake
[11:55]	Viale Linden	and Ginette?
[11:56]	Huntress Catteneo	Gina had another meeting
[11:56]	Huntress Catteneo	rl I think
[11:56]	Huntress Catteneo	forget what she told me sorry :(
[11:56]	Huntress Catteneo	just remember she said proposal
[11:57]	Viale Linden	Ok
[11:57]	Viale Linden	Take care everyone
[11:57]	Qie	thanks Viale
[11:58]	Viale Linden	Thank YOU
[11:58]	Innula Zenovka	thanks, Viale.. bye for now
[11:58]	Zada Bury	Same to you, Viale.
[11:58]	Amo Paine	bye, viale (bye, avenue)
[11:58]	Viale Linden	Look forward to seeeing you all next week
[11:58]	Viale Linden	Bye
[11:58]	Innula Zenovka	see you then
[11:58]	Zada Bury	waves
[11:58]	Angelena Collins	thank you and bye for now
[11:58]	Dancer Greenfield	Bye Viale (Bye Avenue)
[11:59]	Counter Landfall	Bye Viale (Bye Avenue)
[11:59]	Huntress Catteneo	this time sooo kills me
[11:59]	Zada Bury	Better not look on your Bed, Huntress ....
[11:59]	Zada Bury	... in bed the most poeple die. (... in the bed most of the poeple.)
[11:59]	Huntress Catteneo	wish so much was not US centric
[12:00]	Viale Linden	we should consider another time next week - lets discuss
[12:00]	Zada Bury	Now you know, how I have feel along the 2 weeks pre-party time ... ^.^
[12:00]	Viale Linden	many of you are abroad
[12:00]	Huntress Catteneo	in my bed is warm body waiting to wrap around me
[12:00]	Innula Zenovka	this is a good time for Europeans, of course
[12:00]	Viale Linden	Good night Huntress
[12:00]	Counter Landfall	Perfect time for Europe
[12:00]	Huntress Catteneo	oh I always know Zada
[12:01]	Zada Bury	Perfect for europe, yessss ^_^
[12:01]	Huntress Catteneo	gf is French
[12:01]	Viale Linden	Take care Amo
[12:01]	Amo Paine	i think this is the best compromise for europe and the americas
[12:01]	Zada Bury	sweet dreams, Huntress ... about kangaroos ... and fluffy rabbits ... and ... poison spiters ... and so on.
[12:01]	Counter Landfall	it can be an hour later, but not much more than that

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