Bug triage/2007-11-14/Transcript

The uncompiled transcript from Bug triage/2007-11-14 follows.

[14:58] Alexa Linden: Squirrel!
[14:58] Squirrel Wood: /ao off
[14:58] Kamilion Schnook: heya bridie :D
[14:58] Kooky Jetaime: bridie
[14:58] Bridie Linden: heya Squirrel, Daed, Kooky, Kamilion
[14:58] Squirrel Wood: Yellow ^^
[14:58] Kooky Jetaime almost felt like she said dead kooky.. :/
[14:58] Bridie Linden: and Alissa! thx for help w/agenda
[14:58] Kooky Jetaime: was startin to not feel the love
[14:58] Alissa Sabre: np
[14:59] Bridie Linden: It's not that cold Alexa!
[14:59] Harleen Gretzky: Hi Bridie :) Hi Alexa :)
[14:59] Alexa Linden: Hi Harleen :D
[14:59] Bridie Linden: Howdy Harleen
[14:59] Alexa Linden: is too!
[14:59] Bridie Linden: Let's just wait for a couple of other LIndens and we'll get started...
[14:59] Alissa Sabre: I want to have some time talinkg VWR-2826, so I needed a very clean agenda.
[14:59] Kooky Jetaime: hmm
[14:59] Kooky Jetaime: anyone have a jira number for "only half of the prims appear on a hud object after teleport/crossing"?
[15:00] Kooky Jetaime: off the top of their head
[15:00] Squirrel Wood: someone submitted a patch on vwr-2876 ^^
[15:00] Bridie Linden: Alissa, remind me if I forget to leave time...
[15:00] Bridie Linden: Did everyone see new PJIRA filter I made? https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestId=10963
[15:00] Alissa Sabre: Is it 1.18.5 thing?
[15:01] Bridie Linden: We'll use the agenda today of course tho: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
[15:01] Kooky Jetaime: whoo hoo
[15:01] Kooky Jetaime: did we have a party at 3000 bugs?
[15:01] Kooky Jetaime: er reps?
[15:01] Alissa Sabre: I added first three items on the agenda just 30 minutes ago.
[15:02] Alissa Sabre: as "New Arrival"
[15:02] Alissa Sabre: I'm not sure we should discuss them.
[15:02] Daedalus Young: hi Torley
[15:02] Daedalus Young: and hi Aric
[15:02] Kooky Jetaime: look the fruit bat has arrived
[15:02] Torley Linden: Oh friendly greetings everyone!
[15:02] Torley Linden: Thanx for the TP, Bridie.
[15:02] Alexa Linden: Hey Aric and Torley :)
[15:02] Bridie Linden: np!
[15:02] Torley Linden: Hahah so I'm a FRUIT bat now!? :D
[15:02] Squirrel Wood: Aric, open mike you have
[15:02] Torley Linden: Hey Alexa!
[15:02] Torley Linden: Hey Daed!
[15:02] Broc Janus: Do anyone know how to clear out the list of land marks..?
[15:02] Torley Linden: All!
[15:02] Aric Linden: hi all
[15:02] Kamilion Schnook: yeah, I noticed that top one, Alissa. I tried looking at one of my groups and got a bunch of XML instead of what I expected ;)
[15:03] Torley Linden: Kooky, ace title. Very apt. I like it.
[15:03] Kooky Jetaime: well, I can't remember if uhm...... watermelonds are a fruit or a veggie so
[15:03] Kamilion Schnook: Has seeds, Kooky ;)
[15:03] Torley Linden: Broc, yes, put your Landmarks in Trash and empty Trash.
[15:03] Aric Linden: thanks squirrel, just came from a meeting with voice
[15:03] Harleen Gretzky: Hi Torley :) Hi Aric :)
[15:03] Torley Linden: Make sure you want to delete them tho.
[15:03] Torley Linden: Hiya Harleen.
[15:03] Broc Janus: Thanx..
[15:03] Kamilion Schnook: Howdy, Torley.
[15:03] Torley Linden: Scope, nice to see you here too -- I took some WindLight pictures of your builds the other day!
[15:03] Bridie Linden: Ok, Howdy all!
[15:03] Kooky Jetaime: so its a fruit?
[15:03] Torley Linden: Howdy Kamilion.
[15:03] Bridie Linden: Yahoo! A shiny, new RC to triage!
[15:03] Torley Linden: Watermelon is fruit and plant.
[15:04] Scope Cleaver: Hi Torley, sweet, I hope it was the latest projecf on Alexander Beach :)
[15:04] Daedalus Young: watermelon is the plant on which watermelons as fruit grow
[15:04] Bridie Linden: As I mentioned, Thx to Alissa for creating the agenda!
[15:04] Torley Linden: Ohh I haven't visited that yet, Scope, but I shall make a note.
[15:04] Bridie Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
[15:04] Bridie Linden: Shall we start?
[15:04] Bridie Linden: VWR-3092 - Votes: 0 - New "All" search is not finding many avatars and group
[15:05] Bridie Linden: (Click on rotating logo for web page)
[15:05] Torley Linden: Looks like some of these are headed to the Search Team for further inspection...
[15:05] Alissa Sabre: I have not examined this
[15:05] Kamilion Schnook: Would I be correct in assuming the new google mini appliances havn't finished indexing all the databases?
[15:05] Daedalus Young: watermelon nation indeed yields no search results
[15:05] Daedalus Young: I'd agree wit Kamilion
[15:05] Torley Linden: Hmmm... I wonder when the last Google crawl was done.
[15:06] Torley Linden: Watermelon Nation is a fairly new group!
[15:06] Daedalus Young: it also doesn't find my Free Resident Bear
[15:06] Daedalus Young: in fact, doesn't find the whole parcel
[15:06] Torley Linden: When was that established, Daed?
[15:06] Kamilion Schnook: IIRC those things have a web-interface, so it should list the last crawl there.
[15:06] Bridie Linden: Shall we import and give to Search team?
[15:06] Daedalus Young: when 1.18.4 was released as rc
[15:06] Torley Linden: Sounds like a good idea, Bridie.
[15:06] Squirrel Wood: search finds 105 things on my name..
[15:06] Squirrel Wood: mostly triages
[15:06] Bridie Linden: # VWR-3089 - Votes: 1 - Search box in title/menu bar a waste of space. - Argent Stonecutter
[15:07] Daedalus Young: but I think that's a different issue
[15:07] Alexa Linden: noted
[15:07] Torley Linden: Alexa, you're taking care of imports right? Re: Search issues, Can you please assign to Stephany and make Jeska watcher?
[15:07] Alexa Linden: yup
[15:07] Alissa Sabre: Is "waste of space" a bug?
[15:07] Torley Linden: Thanx. :D
[15:07] Daedalus Young: I was just thinking of making a mockup of the menu bar
[15:07] Kooky Jetaime: bug, no
[15:07] Alexa Linden: you're off the hook from now on Torley and aric
[15:07] Kooky Jetaime: comment on the ui, yes
[15:07] Kamilion Schnook: Personally I do like the new searchbar.
[15:08] Kamilion Schnook: However, might I make a reccomendation?
[15:08] Daedalus Young: because with the Search and the Client and Server menus active, there's no more room for the Region name
[15:08] Aric Linden: brb
[15:08] Kamilion Schnook: One browser I use will dynamically resize the search box when you click into it.
[15:08] Bridie Linden: We could import and give to Ben + Rx team to consider...
[15:08] Torley Linden appreciates Alexa's help!
[15:08] aedalus Young: it could be smaller, just a button with the find-icon and when clicked, open a search field (just like on OS X)
[15:08] Bridie Linden does too!
[15:08] quirrel Wood: I have plenty of room for the region name and more... though I'm on 1680x1050
[15:08] Torley Linden: I did wonder where the bandwidth and packet loss meters went...
[15:09] Alexa Linden: noted
[15:09] Kamilion Schnook: Same here, Squirrel, 1600x1200. :)
[15:09] Daedalus Young: I'm on 800x600 windowed, a size I happen to like :)
[15:09] Torley Linden: The easy search bar IS useful for speed -- anyone who uses one in their web browser likely realizes that.
[15:09] Squirrel Wood: windowed here too as the client doesn't like fullscreen on my system
[15:09] Daedalus Young: I use Opera, search is integrated differently there :P
[15:09] Kamilion Schnook: Definitely, Torley. It's the one thing I use most often in firefox besides my googlebookmarks.
[15:10] Aric Linden: back
[15:10] Alissa Sabre: Please note most of the Japanese speakers uses larger UI size, because Japanese characters are more complicated than alphabets
[15:10] Kooky Jetaime: if I down size to 50% of my screen (full is 1280x1024) I have no room for anything new on my menu bar here
[15:10] Daedalus Young: but... you still have to click the search bar, so deleting the bar and adding a click action to the icon will need the same amount of clicks
[15:10] Alissa Sabre: so, under the sam escreen resolution, we can see less characters
[15:10] Kooky Jetaime: and I'm on 18.4 I believe
[15:10] Aric Linden: alexa: i'm scrolling back, can I add one more request?
[15:10] Torley Linden: I do agree though that for those of you on smaller monitor resolutions, the title bar IS cramped!
[15:10] Torley Linden: And even moreso if you have Client and Server menu on!
[15:10] Kooky Jetaime: and what about people who upsize their UI for readability Torley
[15:11] Daedalus Young: and with a search text already enetered, I even have to manually delete that before doing a new search
[15:11] Aric Linden: alexa: when you do imports can you make yourself the reporter, not triage?
[15:11] Kamilion Schnook: I had the same problem with firefox -- I installed a menu editor extention and ripped out the menus I don't use.
[15:11] Aric Linden: triage as reporter is confusing to some of us doing internal triages
[15:11] Alissa Sabre: I have a feeling that we all need to write those thoughts as comments
[15:11] Alissa Sabre: and put them to JIRA
[15:11] Bridie Linden: Comments are appreciated!
[15:12] Alissa Sabre: instead of speaking randomly here.
[15:12] Torley Linden: I think that's always a good idea Alissa, since sometimes profound things are said in these triages that don't carry over to PJIRA.
[15:12] Daedalus Young: I'll see if I can do a mock up of how I'd like to see the menubar and add it to 3089
[15:12] Bridie Linden: Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but where is the search box in the menu/title box...
[15:12] Alissa Sabre: great!
[15:12] Daedalus Young: Bridie, in 1.18.5
[15:12] Kamilion Schnook: Next to the L$ indication IIRC, in 18.5
[15:13] Bridie Linden: OH darn it, I clicked on the release viewer!
[15:13] Bridie Linden smacks forehead!
[15:13] lissa Sabre: and it has a MacOS-like icon too!
[15:13] Daedalus Young: well, mirrored and square
[15:13] Bridie Linden: Thx Daed - that's what I get for mult. installs/icons....
[15:14] Bridie Linden: ok, so we'll wait on comments on 3089 but import and give to Rx?
[15:14] Bridie Linden: Moving right along...
[15:14] Bridie Linden: VWR-3088 - Votes: 0 - Unchecking "Automatic Appearance Camera Movement" no longer has any effect
[15:14] Squirrel Wood: has clear repro steps
[15:14] Daedalus Young: /wvwr-3088
[15:14] Alissa Sabre: it sounds like a bug, although I have not tested yet.
[15:14] Daedalus Young: oh sorry :P
[15:15] Alissa Sabre: how about LL to import this and test?
[15:15] Torley Linden: OMG WINDLIGHT'S BACK http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/11/14/windlight-first-look-is-back/ ... pardon for the distraction... ;)
[15:15] Torley Linden: (It includes all the 1.18.5 RC stuff too. :) )
[15:16] Daedalus Young: :O :D
[15:16] Bridie Linden: Yea, WL!
[15:16] Alissa Sabre: (well, I just though we have no more to talk on 3088.)
[15:16] Bridie Linden: But let's (try and) stay focused :)
[15:16] Daedalus Young: agreed
[15:16] Aric Linden: is 3088 the same as the fly camera issues?
[15:16] Daedalus Young downloads...
[15:16] ridie Linden: Not sure Aric
[15:17] Bridie Linden: Torley, do you know?
[15:17] Alissa Sabre: 3088 looks like a bug, having a clear repro.
[15:17] Torley Linden: Hmmm... not familiar with this one offhand...
[15:17] Torley Linden: but sounds like an easy enough repro!
[15:17] Bridie Linden: Let's import and investigate.
[15:17] Aric Linden: k
[15:17] Torley Linden: I don't think it's the same as the "fly camera issues" tho Aric.
[15:17] Alexa Linden: assign to ?
[15:17] Bridie Linden: Aric, wanna have QA take a look?
[15:17] Daedalus Young: yes, looks like it broke while fixing the other camera on appearance bug
[15:18] Bridie Linden: VWR-2946 - Votes: 4 - Crashes on startup
[15:18] Aric Linden: Daedalus, that's what i sort of what thinking
[15:18] Aric Linden: Alexa, you can assign the camera bug directly to me please
[15:18] Alexa Linden: ok
[15:18] Alexa Linden: ty
[15:18] Alissa Sabre: 2946 is now marked as resolved.
[15:18] Bridie Linden: ty Alexa
[15:19] Bridie Linden: I see it as reopened Alissa
[15:19] Alissa Sabre: it was not, approx. 7 hours before
[15:19] Alissa Sabre: ah, ok.
[15:19] Aric Linden: interesting that our other vista users haven't seen this issue
[15:19] Aric Linden: we did a huge round of vista testing and didn't come across this as an installer issue
[15:20] Bridie Linden: Interesting...want to comment on it Aric?
[15:20] Bridie Linden: Anyone else on Vista?
[15:20] Broc Janus: yes..
[15:20] Kamilion Schnook: Hm, I had a problem with vista yesterday, actually.
[15:20] Broc Janus: Same here..
[15:20] Bridie Linden: same as 2946?
[15:20] Aric Linden: it's a ms prob
[15:20] Alissa Sabre: I infrequently run Vista for testing
[15:20] Daedalus Young: with Vista or with SL -on- Vista? :P
[15:20] Alissa Sabre: I experienced no major problem on Vista
[15:20] Broc Janus: Too many glitches..
[15:21] Kamilion Schnook: One of my customers has a vaio with vista32, intel 965 express graphics. Immediate crash when the world is attempted to be rendered, after progress bars.
[15:21] Aric Linden: we don't support that card, I don't think
[15:21] Alissa Sabre: you'd better file it on JIRA...
[15:21] Kamilion Schnook: Couldn't get updated drivers because Vista decided Intel's graphics driver didn't come from sony and wouldn't install it.
[15:21] Bridie Linden: What to do with 2946?
[15:21] Alissa Sabre: Officially all Intel intergrated chipsets are unsupported.
[15:21] Aric Linden: and vaio's are generally not a default install, sony gets to OEM stuff
[15:22] Aric Linden: Alissa, we now support a couple of intel chips officially
[15:22] Bridie Linden has heard of scary Vaio issues in her past life...
[15:22] lissa Sabre: (oh, great!)
[15:22] Daedalus Young: with 2946, I'd say let someone check out the issues mentioned in the last comment on the Installer
[15:22] Aric Linden shrugs
[15:22] ridie Linden: Let's leave it for now...
[15:22] Kamilion Schnook: I'm not gonna JIRA it because I don't have access to the laptop or log files, and I reccomended that she just install XP instead... ;)
[15:22] Aric Linden: I agree with daedalus, though since we've never reproed, it i'm a little leery of jumping on it now
[15:22] Alexa Linden: I'll mark as "last Triaged"
[15:23] Broc Janus: xp works better..
[15:23] Bridie Linden: Moving on to Critical issues...
[15:23] Bridie Linden: /VWR-3068 - Votes: 0 - Unable to change regions in world: no TP or manual movement across region boundaries
[15:23] Daedalus Young: OSX works even betterer
[15:23] Torley Linden: Hmmm...
[15:23] Torley Linden: This sounds like an older teleport bug.
[15:23] Kamilion Schnook: And linux works the best. </flamebait>
[15:23] Kamilion Schnook shuts up and listens.
[15:23] ridie Linden: Nice Kam
[15:23] Torley Linden: It kind of reminds me of https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-162
[15:24] Kooky Jetaime chuckles.. considering the core of osx is a flavor of linux... hrm....
[15:24] lissa Sabre: I'm running OSX 10.4.10, but I have never experienced this
[15:24] Kamilion Schnook: BSD, Kooky, but that's OT.
[15:24] Daedalus Young: me neither
[15:24] Bridie Linden: 3068, maybe a temporary issue?
[15:24] Alexa Linden: so ofter these are temp issues
[15:24] Kooky Jetaime: VWR-1911 also seems to be listed
[15:24] Daedalus Young: I -sometimes- have failed teleports, but certainly not always
[15:24] Kooky Jetaime: and similar
[15:24] Harleen Gretzky: Or only an issue with that person
[15:24] Alexa Linden: I can contact the reporter and see if they are still having this problem
[15:25] Alissa Sabre: Sounds good
[15:25] Daedalus Young: especially during the latest server issues we had, but yeah...
[15:25] Squirrel Wood: I would look for the cause of this on the local system. firweall, router, proxy settings
[15:25] Bridie Linden: Ty Alexa
[15:25] Alexa Linden: will do
[15:25] Bridie Linden: resolve as 'can't repro' but get more info if you can?
[15:25] Alexa Linden: ok
[15:25] Bridie Linden: Next up...
[15:25] Bridie Linden: VWR-3069 - Votes: 1 - Linux client crashes at start with 1.18.5(0)RC
[15:26] Kamilion Schnook: Lemme take a look at that one...
[15:26] Alissa Sabre: I have not tried 1.18.5 on Linux.
[15:26] Alissa Sabre: yet
[15:26] Kamilion Schnook: Looks like a problem with mozlib on ubuntu feist
[15:27] Kamilion Schnook: I see no problems on Gutsy with compiz on a 6600/nforce2/2000+ with nvidia-glx-new
[15:27] Bridie Linden: Aric, what wouuld you like to do?
[15:28] Kamilion Schnook: In fact, If I had crashed, I wouldn't have been able to JIRA VWR-3070 ;)
[15:28] Bridie Linden: Wait for more info?
[15:28] Kamilion Schnook: It looks like a problem on his specific system
[15:28] Bridie Linden nods
[15:29] lissa Sabre: I hope so...
[15:29] Bridie Linden: Next up...
[15:29] Bridie Linden: VWR-3080 - Votes: 0 - Mac Viewer Crashes at Startup (Leopard)
[15:29] Alexa Linden: noted
[15:29] Alissa Sabre: again, I don't have OSX 10.5
[15:29] Squirrel Wood: no specific information given there
[15:30] Daedalus Young: again, me neither
[15:30] Kamilion Schnook: Worked for me on Leopard/hackintosh
[15:30] Bridie Linden: I haven't installed leopoard yet
[15:30] Alissa Sabre: do Lindens test on OSX 10.5?
[15:30] Aric Linden: yes to bridie and yes to alissa
[15:30] Bridie Linden: leopard even
[15:30] Bridie Linden: Resolve as 'can't repro' then?
[15:30] Alissa Sabre: I think so.
[15:30] Aric Linden: we're just ramping up the leopard testing tho
[15:31] Bridie Linden nods
[15:31] lexa Linden: we just tested it and didn't have a problem
[15:31] Aric Linden: we're finding some small things on internal feature builds
[15:31] Alissa Sabre: 3080 is too broad and can't find the cause from this description...
[15:31] Kamilion Schnook: Maybe "can't currently repro" would be a better choice, if it exists.
[15:31] Bridie Linden: ok...
[15:31] Bridie Linden: next...
[15:31] Bridie Linden: VWR-3082 - Votes: 0 - Japanese Friendlist not fitting too area given
[15:31] Alissa Sabre: I examined this
[15:32] Squirrel Wood: the options in the friend list
[15:32] Alissa Sabre: the default floater size is too small to show Japanese UI labels
[15:32] Aric Linden: actually, in the case of the leopard startup crash: we don't support the grfx card listed
[15:32] Alissa Sabre: so, the Japanese texts overflow from the floater frame
[15:32] Aric Linden: might want to note that
[15:32] Daedalus Young: is that Dazzle specific?
[15:32] Aric Linden: /sorry to interupt
[15:33] Alissa Sabre: no. It happens on the _current_ UI skin.
[15:33] Daedalus Young: ok
[15:33] Alissa Sabre: the issue 3082 is specifically on friend list, but similar thing is occureing on other floaters
[15:33] Bridie Linden: Can u add that comment Alissa?
[15:33] Aric Linden: we should import
[15:33] Alissa Sabre: at this moment, I have no good idea what we should do.
[15:33] Bridie Linden nods
[15:33] lissa Sabre: ah, yes.
[15:34] Bridie Linden: Import!
[15:34] Aric Linden: give it to jaime and make her figure it out.
[15:34] Aric Linden: /slaps his knee
[15:34] Bridie Linden grins
[15:34] quirrel Wood: run it through QA
[15:34] Alissa Sabre: I forgt the date, but
[15:34] Alexa Linden: noted
[15:34] Alissa Sabre: on our first I18N triage,
[15:34] Bridie Linden: next up...
[15:34] Kamilion Schnook: Quick question, do we have a meta-issue for unsupported graphics cards?
[15:34] Alissa Sabre: we discussed something on the size of the translated text
[15:34] Daedalus Young: you can use Google to search that, Alissa
[15:35] Bridie Linden: Not sure Kam...
[15:35] Alissa Sabre: the answer at that moment was "the upcoming skinning project will solve it!"
[15:35] Squirrel Wood: and that process is still in the works
[15:35] Squirrel Wood: or project
[15:36] Kamilion Schnook: One of my older issues, VWR-520 should probably be a meta-issue for unsupported graphics
[15:36] Alissa Sabre: ... and I'm wating for THE output from the project.
[15:36] Bridie Linden: Digging now Kam...
[15:36] Vahn Dagger: ao on
[15:37] Kamilion Schnook: short explanation, add fallback software MESA rendering DLL for unsupported gfx.
[15:37] Vahn Dagger: o_o I'm in love with this, Torley.
[15:37] Torley Linden: =^_^=
[15:37] Torley Linden: Kamilion, I don't recall seeing an existing meta-issue for unsupported graphics cards.
[15:37] Bridie Linden: Please look into creating a meta issue Kam
[15:37] Bridie Linden: I don't see one either
[15:37] Bridie Linden: ok, back to the agenda...
[15:37] Bridie Linden: last crit..
[15:38] Alissa Sabre: discussing gfx issue, I want to make sure that
[15:38] Bridie Linden: VWR-3084 - Votes: 0 - Dramatic drop in frame rate after the first use of the new search engine.
[15:38] Aric Linden: we should import 3084
[15:38] Kamilion Schnook: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-520 <--- Should I start relating unsupported gfx to that or create a new meta-issue?
[15:38] Alissa Sabre: you don't simply ignroe the issues on unsupported card, right?
[15:38] Aric Linden: assign it to james and let him sort it out.
[15:38] Aric Linden: it's an interesting dichotomy
[15:38] Bridie Linden nods @ aric
[15:38] aedalus Young: I didn't test 3084 yet
[15:39] Daedalus Young: but my framerates seem pretty normal
[15:39] Bridie Linden: Trying it now Daed?
[15:39] Daedalus Young: it actually just went up a bit
[15:39] Bridie Linden: well, let's import and investigate anyway...
[15:39] Bridie Linden: er, have James investigate :)
[15:39] Aric Linden: the differences between stories is interesting
[15:40] Alexa Linden: noted
[15:40] Bridie Linden: 2 on the major list...
[15:40] Bridie Linden: VWR-3064 - Votes: 1 - Land Search does not show Description Text for any parcel selected in Search
[15:40] Daedalus Young: I'll try in a more... empty location ater
[15:40] Aric Linden: I'm wondering if this was a data problem
[15:40] Bridie Linden: Can someone give it a quick try?
[15:41] Harleen Gretzky: No description for me
[15:41] Alissa Sabre: me too.
[15:41] Bridie Linden: Another one for James + company then...
[15:41] Alissa Sabre: it consistently shows nothing on description
[15:41] Bridie Linden: Alexa, pls import
[15:41] Alexa Linden: noted
[15:42] Bridie Linden: Harleens is up next:
[15:42] Bridie Linden: VWR-3079 - Votes: 0 - New Search: Top Picks in on avatar display is not in the correct order
[15:42] Daedalus Young: seems to repro, yes
[15:42] Harleen Gretzky: :)
[15:43] Bridie Linden: I would try this but...
[15:43] Harleen Gretzky: Some people work hard to get their picks in their profile in the right order, but the order in top picks seems to have no particular order
[15:43] Kamilion Schnook: VWR-3099 is now a Meta-issue for issues relating to unsupported or poorly supported graphics cards -- please link any issues relating to this there. </OT>
[15:43] Bridie Linden: Thx Kam
[15:43] Kamilion Schnook: Already linked 520 there, as it should solve most of those problems, if implimented. ^_^
[15:44] Bridie Linden: Shall we import 3079 for James + crew then?
[15:44] Saz Upshaw shouts: don't drown
[15:44] Daedalus Young: yes, seeing 3079 here too
[15:44] Torley Linden: Great, thanks for starting that up.
[15:44] Aric Linden: go for the import alexa
[15:44] Aric Linden: james will be so happy
[15:44] Vahn Dagger: o_O I crashed.
[15:44] Torley Linden: :O
[15:44] Bridie Linden: Moving on to the Normal list...
[15:45] Bridie Linden: but remembering to save time for Alissa...let's try for 2 more
[15:45] Vahn Dagger: Meh. I have a three year old comp anyways. *Refrains from new features for the time being*
[15:45] Bridie Linden: VWR-2410 - Votes: 8 - noise dot appear in chat window when clien running long with chatting.
[15:45] waelya Tenk: hahaha
[15:45] Bridie Linden: Hi Pastrami!
[15:45] Alissa Sabre: 2410 is a variation of long living headache
[15:45] Torley Linden: If it's reproducible Vahn we'll have an easier shot at fixing it.
[15:45] Alexa Linden: Strami!
[15:45] Torley Linden: Oh special guest star Pastrami!
[15:45] Torley Linden: What's up d00d
[15:45] Daedalus Young: hi Pastrami
[15:45] Alissa Sabre: for Japanese/Chinese/korean speakers
[15:45] Vahn Dagger: Nice tag, Pastrami
[15:45] waelya Tenk: : )
[15:45] Alexa Linden: look out! he's got the frying pan of death
[15:45] Pastrami Linden: hello there!
[15:45] Torley Linden: VWR-2410 sounds weird... !
[15:46] Alissa Sabre: I strongly support to incoorporate the attached patch.
[15:46] Torley Linden: Looks like very comprehensive information from march Korda on that.
[15:46] Bridie Linden: 2410 is already imported
[15:46] Daedalus Young: was just noticing that
[15:46] Alissa Sabre: oh, really?
[15:46] Bridie Linden: VWR-3058 - Votes: 1 - Second Life Crashes on Install on Korean Windows XP if they have default Korean Text as windows xp user name
[15:46] Torley Linden: 2410 is queued for internal triage. It should be gotten to soon.
[15:46] Daedalus Young: Linden Lab Issue ID: DEV-5834
[15:46] Squirrel Wood: thank you for giving us windlight ;)
[15:46] Alissa Sabre: ok.
[15:46] Harleen Gretzky: patch attached too
[15:46] Torley Linden: Pastrami take a bow... if you can... ;)
[15:47] Harleen Gretzky: Hi Pastrami :)
[15:47] Aric Linden: the chowdahs are all drinking
[15:47] Daedalus Young claps for WindLight
[15:47] lissa Sabre: I believe 3058 is a dupe from an old bug
[15:47] Kamilion Schnook: Sounds like a unicode issue getting to the Docs&Settings/username path to me, Bridie.
[15:47] Alissa Sabre: however, I believe the old bug has been solved already
[15:47] Aric Linden: I thought you were getting beers pastrami
[15:47] Bridie Linden: What's new Aric?
[15:47] Aric Linden: /giggles loudly
[15:47] Pastrami Linden: I may, Aric
[15:47] Bridie Linden: Where's my beer??
[15:47] Pastrami Linden: got a lot to do!
[15:47] Vahn Dagger: ao off
[15:47] Alissa Sabre: I mean VWR-296
[15:47] Alexa Linden: TP me a beer please
[15:47] Torley Linden: :D
[15:48] Squirrel Wood: I thought you said boars?
[15:48] Aric Linden: come to sansome, we got rye on my desk
[15:48] Aric Linden: yum!
[15:48] Aric Linden gets back in line
[15:48] ridie Linden: So import 3058?
[15:49] Alexa Linden: assign to...
[15:49] Bridie Linden: jaime or aric??
[15:49] Daedalus Young: anybody has a translation of those comments? :|
[15:49] Pastrami Linden: you guys get rye and my days are numbered
[15:49] Aric Linden: jaime
[15:49] Alissa Sabre: ah, it says the same thing as English
[15:49] Alexa Linden: noted
[15:49] Aric Linden: kona bought me a bottle for my bday
[15:49] Aric Linden: nice upscale boutique shit
[15:50] Bridie Linden: Let's stop the agenda and give the floor to Alissa?
[15:50] Vahn Dagger: =P There goes (hippos) again in the friends list.
[15:50] Bridie Linden: and talk about rye alcohol later?
[15:50] Alissa Sabre: wow, thanks
[15:50] Aric Linden apologizes
[15:50] lissa Sabre: I want to talks a little bit on VWR-2946
[15:50] Bridie Linden: VWR-2826 - Votes: 142 - Several problems on handling Japanese input (and possiblly Chinese/Korean also)
[15:50] Alissa Sabre: it may be my fault, but I put a lot of different issues in one JIRA filing.
[15:51] Alissa Sabre: because I thought it is easy to fix it when I first filed
[15:51] Alissa Sabre: however, for some reason, the bug persisted in 1.18.4.3, the official release version.
[15:51] Alissa Sabre: and the issue caused a looooot of complains during Japanese speaking residents
[15:52] Torley Linden: Oh that's good to know for context, Alissa...
[15:52] Bridie Linden nods
[15:52] Alissa Sabre: currently japanese speaking SL residents' blogs are full of the complains
[15:52] Torley Linden: I appreciate your expertise on the Japanese Internationalization front.
[15:52] Alissa Sabre: so, I want to make it "fixed - closed."
[15:52] Alissa Sabre: however, on 1.18.5.0,
[15:52] Alissa Sabre: the issues are only partly fixed, really.
[15:52] Alissa Sabre: most of the serious ones are fixed.
[15:53] Alissa Sabre: thank you for LL's effort on fixing them.
[15:53] Kamilion Schnook: sorry bombed out there for a sec.
[15:53] Alissa Sabre: and some minor ones are left.
[15:53] Alissa Sabre: I think those unfixed minor ones are OK for the moment, but I can't speak for other 140 voters.
[15:53] Bridie Linden: Aric, was your team going to do a bit more QA on Simon's fixes?
[15:53] Alissa Sabre: what should I do?
[15:53] Alissa Sabre: that's what I want to talk today.
[15:54] Alissa Sabre: and if possible, I want to see some words on this issue in your release note on the upcoming offical release of 1.18.5 series.
[15:54] Alissa Sabre: to calm down Japanese users.
[15:54] Aric Linden: some of the changes are still in dev and getting ready for qa. simon has been really focused on havok stuff but broke away to do some of this stuff
[15:54] Daedalus Young: oh, I crashed. And now I was *forced* to log back in on WindLight
[15:54] Alissa Sabre: Yes, I know it.
[15:55] Torley Linden: Hmmm how do you mean Daed?
[15:55] Aric Linden: so I'd expect that we'll see the rest of the fixes in the next few weeks.
[15:55] Daedalus Young: well, while I was needing to log back in anyway, I thought, then why not use WL :P
[15:55] Alissa Sabre: Simon Liden wrote the complete fix will be in 1.19
[15:55] Aric Linden: As I pointed out when I closed the issue, we were/are working on the problem. unfortunately simon was pulled onto other work
[15:56] Aric Linden: Alissa, yes that's correct.
[15:56] Alissa Sabre: will 1.19 released with in a few weeks?
[15:56] Aric Linden: the release candidate will
[15:56] Alissa Sabre: Ok.
[15:56] Aric Linden: does that make sense?
[15:56] Alissa Sabre: yes.
[15:56] Alissa Sabre: 1.18.5 works mostly fine.
[15:56] Bridie Linden: most of the issues will be fixed in the 1.18.5 series tho
[15:56] Aric Linden: I'm sorry about the confusion earlier about this
[15:56] Alissa Sabre: it has no critical issues regarding Japanese input.
[15:57] Alissa Sabre: soooooo,
[15:57] Alissa Sabre: I think I should close 2946 with a comment something like "major issues are solved"
[15:58] Alissa Sabre: and create another issue that covers remnant issues.
[15:58] Bridie Linden: we can note it in next release notes
[15:58] Alissa Sabre: and link 2946 to it.
[15:58] Bridie Linden: sounds good!
[15:58] Bridie Linden: ok, we're closing in on 4pm
[15:58] Alissa Sabre: that way, you can add in the release note that 2946 is fixed.
[15:58] Kamilion Schnook: Bridie: An import on VWR-3070 would be helpful, looks like it's just a one or two line fix in the xml for the floater. I kinda crashed just before you gave the floor to Alissa.
[15:58] Bridie Linden: Lots of good ground covered!
[15:58] Torley Linden: :D
[15:58] Alissa Sabre: well, I just want to see in your official release note that 2946 is fixed.
[15:58] Alexa Linden: thanks everyone :D
[15:58] Torley Linden: Thanx each and all for coming and helping us make sense of these oncoming issues!
[15:59] Kamilion Schnook: My pleasure ^_^
[15:59] Bridie Linden looks @ 3070
[15:59] Bridie Linden: I think there's an internal issue already for 3070...
[15:59] Bridie Linden: cross link Alexa?
[15:59] Kamilion Schnook: Good then it's all clear. :D
[15:59] Torley Linden: *looks at 3070 too*
[15:59] Bridie Linden: now, everyone download Windlight and enjoy!
[16:00] Aric Linden: so long all.
[16:00] Squirrel Wood: toodledoo
[16:00] Alissa Sabre: ok. thank you for giving me the time.
[16:00] Torley Linden: 3070 sounds like internal DEV-5875
[16:00] Bridie Linden: Thx all!
[16:00] Alissa Sabre: bye then
[16:00] Kamilion Schnook: Bridie, speaking of which, do we post jira bugs for windlight 18.5 in the normal 18.5 category?
[16:00] Alissa Sabre: oh!!!
[16:00] Kamilion Schnook: or does it have a seperate one?
[16:00] Torley Linden: Yup have a lovely day all, I've got to go too... I'll followup with WindLight issues and remember that we've got WindLight Office Hours too -- see Pastrami's blog post @ http://blog.secondlife.com for times.
[16:00] Torley Linden: Kamilion: Affects Version/s = WindLight
[16:00] Kamilion Schnook: Roger that!
[16:01] Torley Linden: First Look: WindLight, it's at the bottom of the scrolly list.
[16:01] Torley Linden: Thanks for asking! =D
[16:01] Alissa Sabre: Does windlight viewer support Japanese? LOL
[16:01] Bridie Linden: laterz!
[16:01] Kamilion Schnook: Thanks for answering :D
[16:01] Kamilion Schnook: Adios, amigos!
[16:01] Daedalus Young: oohh, the sunset is the prettiest
[16:01] Torley Linden: Adios for now!
[16:01] Torley Linden: =^_^=
[16:01] Daedalus Young: bye!
[16:01] JetZep Zabelin: =) bye
[16:01] Alissa Sabre: Hmm. no answers.
[16:01] Alissa Sabre: that means I should find out by myself...
[16:02] Torley Linden: Sorry Alissa, I don't know about that specifically. I appreciate your ongoing help.
[16:02] Daedalus Young: I should think it treats japanese like the RC
[16:02] Alissa Sabre: NP
[16:02] Torley Linden: WindLight includes all the latest fixes up to 1.18.5 RC.
[16:02] Torley Linden: (So it has thew new Search, etc.)
[16:02] Kamilion Schnook: looks like windlight was just tacked on to 18.5
[16:02] Torley Linden: Uh yeah that's an apt way to put it. :D
[16:02] Alissa Sabre: ok. I'll try it later.
[16:02] Torley Linden remembers all the code merge discussions that happened...
[16:02] Torley Linden: @_@
[16:02] Torley Linden: Ah, baby born!
[16:02] Torley Linden: Pastrami here is a happy fatha!
[16:02] Torley Linden: Bye for now... t'care!
[16:02] Alissa Sabre: bye
[16:03] Kamilion Schnook: Congrats, Pastrami!