Community Tools User Group/01-September-2011

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Transcript for Thursday September 1, 2011

[12:58]	Peewee Musytari	is jeremy
[12:58]	Peewee Musytari	\o/ "YAYYYY!!!"
[12:58]	Peewee Musytari	\|\|
[12:58]	Peewee Musytari	_/\_
[12:58]	Jeremy Linden	Hullo!
[12:58]	Venus Petrov	hiya Jeremy
[12:58]	Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood)	Oy. A Lindoom :)
[12:58]	Adamburp Adamczyk	hey jeremy
[12:58]	Peewee Musytari	he still loves us :)
[12:58]	Vincent Nacon	I dunno about that
[12:58]	Jeremy Linden	Hey, I'm not a doomsday Linden :-O
[12:58]	Adamburp Adamczyk	jere is one of the GOOD ones
[12:58]	Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood)	^^
[12:58]	oobscure (opensource.obscure)	:D
[12:59]	Adamburp Adamczyk	just you this week jer?
[12:59]	Torben (torben.trautman)	hi all
[12:59]	Venus Petrov	Peewee how are you gonna drum your hands?
[12:59]	Jeremy Linden	Rand is also supposed to be here!
[12:59]	Venus Petrov	hi torben
[13:00]	Vincent Nacon	well he got one minute
[13:00]	Vincent Nacon	on wait n/m
[13:00]	Vincent Nacon	oh*
[13:00]	Jeremy Linden	Lexie's going to be gone for awhile longer, so you guys are still stuck with me.
[13:00]	Venus Petrov	hey Storm
[13:00]	Torben (torben.trautman)	hehe Jeremy
[13:00]	Venus Petrov	how long is awhile?
[13:00]	Adamburp Adamczyk	that's cool jeremey
[13:00]	Vincent Nacon	I'm sure he's not that bad
[13:00]	Peewee Musytari	why she hiding from us?
[13:00]	Torben (torben.trautman)	you mean youÂ´re stuck with us ;)
[13:00]	Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood)	stuck? Put that superglue away.... ^^
[13:00]	oobscure (opensource.obscure)	hiding ?
[13:00]	Storm Clarence	hi everyone
[13:01]	Vincent Nacon	because you're annyoing or something?
[13:01]	Torben (torben.trautman)	hi sotrm
[13:01]	Vincent Nacon	muhaha!
[13:01]	Torben (torben.trautman)	storm even
[13:01]	Jeremy Linden	Maybe I am!
[13:01]	Peewee Musytari	we scared lexie away talking about support again
[13:01]	Jeremy Linden	Hello! We're glad you made it. Welcome to... THE FUTURE!
[13:01]	Peewee Musytari	she hasn`t been back since
[13:01]	Jeremy Linden	I do have some annoying gestures :-D
[13:01]	Adamburp Adamczyk	oh i LOVE support!
[13:01]	Storm Clarence	hi peewee a pleasure to meet you
[13:01]	Torben (torben.trautman)	hi Mari
[13:01]	Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood)	there are no soup ports :p
[13:01]	Adamburp Adamczyk	they just pulled a blionder this week!
[13:01]	Vincent Nacon	oh I didn't mean you, Jeremy
[13:01]	Venus Petrov	hey Mari
[13:01]	Peewee Musytari	hey hey storm!!!
[13:02]	Adamburp Adamczyk	full sim > 1/2 a sim > no sim!
[13:02]	Peewee Musytari	wow see Jeremy everyone has come to meet you hehe
[13:02]	Venus Petrov	hey Liisa
[13:02]	Marianne McCann	Hiya
[13:02]	Marianne McCann	Thanks, Jeremy
[13:02]	Jeremy Linden	Wow, I'm popular!
[13:02]	Liisa Runo	Liisa Runo whispers: hiyas
[13:02]	Adamburp Adamczyk	hey marianne :
[13:02]	Peewee Musytari	did even Rand desert us?
[13:02]	Marianne McCann	Everyone's just so fond of your fancy hat, Jeremy
[13:03]	Jeremy Linden	Ah, that must be it. I kept it from that one time that Jon, Kate and I dressed up as the 3 Musketeers :-D
[13:03]	Peewee Musytari	lol
[13:03]	Torben (torben.trautman)	awww
[13:03]	Adamburp Adamczyk	Adamburp Adamczyk puts "gag of the week" away since only jeremy's here
[13:03]	Torben (torben.trautman)	good old times
[13:03]	oobscure (opensource.obscure)	agenda ?
[13:04]	Jeremy Linden	Lessee, Agenda: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group
[13:04]	Vincent Nacon	or news first?
[13:04]	Adamburp Adamczyk	read jeremey' profiel erf display names
[13:04]	Jeremy Linden	I can only cover some of the agenda, since I don't know Lexie's stuff.
[13:04]	Adamburp Adamczyk	Adamburp Adamczyk was ogoing to use "happy birthday lexie" as a display name
[13:04]	Venus Petrov	Jeremy, do you know when she will be able to join CTUG again?
[13:05]	Peewee Musytari	lexie stuff is easy....Update on Answer....its still broke...done :)
[13:05]	Jeremy Linden	Venus, I think Lexie said she'd be back in about a month.
[13:05]	Vincent Nacon	yeah don't do that, Adam, you'd be stuck with it for a while
[13:05]	Venus Petrov	thank you
[13:06]	Jeremy Linden	As for the Knowledge Base, I'm still working on Mesh stuff, and I'll be consolidating and updating all those articles about how to connect to SL if you're behind a firewall (corporate or otherwise)
[13:06]	Jeremy Linden	Rand has been working on some special projects that I'll let him talk about when he gets here :-)
[13:07]	Jeremy Linden	Hm. And it appears that ALL the agenda items were for Lexie :-X
[13:07]	Peewee Musytari	did u get the stuff you asked for about mesh tools input?
[13:07]	Marianne McCann	Oops
[13:08]	Jeremy Linden	Ooh, to be honest, I haven't checked recently. I notice that some people have definitely been contributing, though!
[13:08]	Marianne McCann	I should poke about for an apt place for Robin Sojourner's mesh tutorial things
[13:09]	Jeremy Linden	Ah, yes! Currently, most of the tutorial information that deals with specific tools is captured under https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh/Tools
[13:09]	Peewee Musytari	kewl
[13:10]	Torben (torben.trautman)	hi Rand
[13:10]	Peewee Musytari	yay its rand
[13:10]	Marianne McCann	Welcome, Rand
[13:10]	Peewee Musytari	hewo
[13:10]	Venus Petrov	hi Rand
[13:10]	Rand (rand.linden)	Howdy all!
[13:10]	Adamburp Adamczyk	hi rand
[13:10]	Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood)	You are just in time to be too late ;)
[13:10]	Jeremy Linden	I also found a neat series on creating rigged mesh clothing, but I havent' had a chance to evaluate it yet. It's almost as long as a feature film: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL11D6E99BB51A2BB2
[13:10]	Rand (rand.linden)	haha
[13:11]	Peewee Musytari	nice one thanks jeremy
[13:11]	Marianne McCann	Ya, I know Robin's on UV and mesh is about 20+ minutes (all three parts)
[13:11]	Jeremy Linden	Hey Rand! I promised everyone you'd talk about your special proejcts in the KB :-)
[13:11]	Vincent Nacon	in other words, I'll skip right to the end
[13:11]	Marianne McCann	I can only imagine anything in depth on rigging has got to be huge
[13:11]	Rand (rand.linden)	ah ok just a sec
[13:12]	Rand (rand.linden)	Well one thing we just published today is http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/Premium-membership/ta-p/1054477
[13:12]	Rand (rand.linden)	This goes along with some new features of premium membership and promotions, etc.
[13:12]	Jeremy Linden	It's very helpful for us to be able to point to detailed tutorials... We may know how the SL tools work, but you guys are often more experienced at using them :-)
[13:12]	Marianne McCann	Ah, was wondering when the premium Sandbox stuff would go live
[13:13]	Rand (rand.linden)	Basically you get premium "gifts" and sandboxes...
[13:13]	Peewee Musytari	exclusive goods
[13:13]	Rand (rand.linden)	There you go Marianne...live today!
[13:13]	Peewee Musytari	ooh
[13:13]	Peewee Musytari	where`s our presents? :D
[13:13]	Rand (rand.linden)	Right peewee, that is the official term
[13:13]	Marianne McCann	(Spotted them in progress about a week ago. Nice looking little space)
[13:14]	Peewee Musytari	if we downgrade to you come and take our presents back? hehe
[13:14]	Rand (rand.linden)	Ha I don't think so, Peewee
[13:14]	Marianne McCann	"No premium soup for you!"
[13:14]	Venus Petrov	my coffee mug will be used
[13:15]	Jeremy Linden	We can't take back the fact that you were a Premium :-)
[13:15]	Rand (rand.linden)	Other stuff I've been working on is still in progress and not released yet...
[13:15]	Rand (rand.linden)	But I'd like to get your input on whether you think it would be useful to have a more traditional "User's Guide" type of doc. as well as the KB
[13:16]	Torben (torben.trautman)	like the quickstart guide?
[13:16]	Marianne McCann	I think so.
[13:16]	Marianne McCann	AN ya, a "quickstart"
[13:16]	Rand (rand.linden)	Torben, sort of, but not exactly
[13:16]	Peewee Musytari	are presents only for premium & not concierge?...are they going to jealous?
[13:16]	Venus Petrov	There have been a few questions lately asking for a 'Users Guide' (to everything) ã‹¡
[13:16]	Storm Clarence	all documentation to assist in learning is needed and wanted
[13:16]	Vincent Nacon	oh don't be silly, the gift isn't that worthy
[13:17]	Peewee Musytari	lol
[13:17]	Marianne McCann	Somethign more geared towards an "average user," perhaps. Somethign not as complex/in depth as a KB has to be
[13:17]	Rand (rand.linden)	More like a traditional set of guides, e.g. ..."Getting Started", "Using SL in Advanced Mode", "Content Creation Guide", "Landowners Guide" and th elike
[13:17]	Venus Petrov	With links to more meaty information
[13:17]	Marianne McCann	Marianne McCann fixes her "g before n"fingers
[13:17]	Jeremy Linden	Storm, I think it's more a question of how you would like that documentation to be organized delivered.
[13:17]	Marianne McCann	Ya, Rand. I think that would be of great value
[13:17]	Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood)	Dos and Don'ts ?
[13:17]	Jeremy Linden	er, and*
[13:17]	Rand (rand.linden)	Marianne--we could try to address various experience levels
[13:17]	Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood)	proper etiquette?
[13:18]	Torben (torben.trautman)	nods, sounds interesting
[13:18]	Vincent Nacon	only can count the etiquette as they come, not learn to cope
[13:18]	Rand (rand.linden)	ok just wanted to get your take on the idea... thx
[13:18]	Peewee Musytari	a decent guide for buying & selling land both mainland & estate & renting would be good...we get asked for that quite a lot like its something u can put in a post
[13:18]	Marianne McCann	Good Rand. And ya. I don't think a beginning user wants to go through a huge set of data. They want to know what they're doing, but not be swamped with data
[13:19]	Venus Petrov	Perhaps a place in the guide to answer common questions we see in Answers
[13:19]	Rand (rand.linden)	Good point, Marianne
[13:19]	Marianne McCann	"Just tell me how to talk," etc.
[13:19]	Jeremy Linden	Peewee, there are articles in the Knowledge Base about buying and selling those kinds of land.
[13:19]	Vincent Nacon	a simple walk through as they go along in their present time.
[13:19]	Adamburp Adamczyk	jeremy: you need to improve inworld accessibility to the kb
[13:19]	Rand (rand.linden)	This is just something we're considering...we need to work out the details...
[13:20]	Peewee Musytari	yeah but they are all separate and specific...you get people asking how to set up a land business for example and wanting to know it all in one place
[13:20]	Jeremy Linden	Oh, that's a fair point! A new feature we forgot to mention:
[13:20]	Vincent Nacon	uh oh
[13:20]	Jeremy Linden	SL Search can now search across ALL second life help repositories. Choose "Support" as your search type to search the KB, Answers, and the wiki.
[13:20]	Vincent Nacon	in-world search?
[13:20]	Rand (rand.linden)	+1 Jeremy, thx for bringing that up
[13:21]	Venus Petrov	A Quick Start guide could give them basic information and then provide links to more detailed info in the KB
[13:21]	Peewee Musytari	yus
[13:21]	Venus Petrov	wet their appetites
[13:22]	Peewee Musytari	sp it brings in other aspects..like first create a group for example
[13:22]	Peewee Musytari	*so
[13:22]	Torben (torben.trautman)	does it really make sense to also include Answers into the search?
[13:23]	Rand (rand.linden)	Torben, you can deselect it if you don't want to search Answers.
[13:23]	Rand (rand.linden)	Sometimes you might not find what you need elsewhere and want to include
[13:23]	oobscure (opensource.obscure)	options = good
[13:23]	Torben (torben.trautman)	ah, I just dound it in the fineprint :)
[13:23]	Peewee Musytari	well the answered ones are supposed to be helpful...in theory lol
[13:23]	Jeremy Linden	Jeremy Linden had to pipe up to make sure all forum posts weren't included as well :-)
[13:24]	Torben (torben.trautman)	not saying they are not but it produces a really really long list of results
[13:24]	Rand (rand.linden)	On a somewhat unrelated note; I don't recall if I showed this off yet: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Extended_Knowledge_Base
[13:24]	Marianne McCann	Yipes, Jeremy
[13:25]	Rand (rand.linden)	There are a lot of articles still in the wiki, that majority of which are valuable (some are outdated, though). THis is just provides abit more organization.
[13:25]	Rand (rand.linden)	Netxt we hope to get time to clean them up and remove or update the outdated ones...
[13:25]	Rand (rand.linden)	*THE majority....
[13:26]	Peewee Musytari	ok yeah thats more like it jeremy..thats helpful
[13:26]	Rand (rand.linden)	BTW, all the wiki articles are open for editing, so if you are interested, feel free to adopt some and update them :-)
[13:26]	Rand (rand.linden)	That's about all I have atm.
[13:27]	Peewee Musytari	ty :)
[13:27]	Marianne McCann	Ya, I need to still do some tweaking on a coupel of "my" pages.
[13:27]	Marianne McCann	Marianne McCann adds a JIRA requesting "more hours in a day"
[13:27]	Peewee Musytari	is there any news on fixing Answers?
[13:27]	Torben (torben.trautman)	IÂ´ll vote for it / watch it
[13:27]	Rand (rand.linden)	Yeah, I would like to get that Jira fixed, Marianne!
[13:27]	Jeremy Linden	4 hours in a day isn't enough?
[13:28]	Marianne McCann	Marianne McCann giggles
[13:29]	Marianne McCann	4 hours sure, but one of those hours is night
[13:29]	Marianne McCann	And I've yet to be able to set my first life environmental settings to a fixed sun position
[13:30]	Vincent Nacon	wasn't the wiki always open for edit to registered users anyway?
[13:30]	Rand (rand.linden)	Vincent, we used to have an extension called "Flagged Revs" that provided for some oversight of edits..but we removed that
[13:30]	Jeremy Linden	Yes, with the exception of certain pages and namespaces. However, many Residents don't realize they're "allowed" to make changes.
[13:31]	Vincent Nacon	ah
[13:31]	Rand (rand.linden)	Right--the "Linden Lab Official" namespace does not allow general editing... as you might expect :-)
[13:31]	Rand (rand.linden)	Speaking of which...
[13:31]	Rand (rand.linden)	I forgot to mention https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Adult_Content_FAQ
[13:32]	Rand (rand.linden)	which is newly-revised and newly approved as 'official'
[13:32]	Rand (rand.linden)	Folks in the adult community have been asking for it for some time...
[13:32]	Torben (torben.trautman)	I like the part about child avis
[13:32]	Vincent Nacon	they got balls about the child issue
[13:33]	Rand (rand.linden)	Yes, I would say that is really 'not recommended' IMHO
[13:33]	Vincent Nacon	"Since Adult regions by design will often contain sexual content, child avatars should use caution in visiting Adult regions. " that statement is very problematic in the future.
[13:33]	Marianne McCann	Vincent - was somethign selttles in June '09, if memory serves
[13:34]	Vincent Nacon	you'll be surprised how it can come back up again
[13:34]	Marianne McCann	Ya, amongst the kids groups themselves, we recommend that kid avvies avoid adult rated regions if at all possible.
[13:34]	Marianne McCann	Oh, no I would not.
[13:34]	Marianne McCann	Marianne McCann winks
[13:35]	Rand (rand.linden)	If you have concerns about the content of that article, then you should go to the Adult Content UG. I just compiled the info, edited it, etc.
[13:35]	Marianne McCann	I'm glad the option is there, for those who often find themselves getting stuck in one of the Zindra infohubs when a region crashes... but, ya, not exactly the sort of land I'd consider friendly to kid avatars.
[13:35]	Rand (rand.linden)	I just wanted to point out that it is there now and has been "approved".
[13:36]	Marianne McCann	(and that's all I'mma gonna say)
[13:36]	Vincent Nacon	and shouldn't you be using "Mature" and not "Moderate"?
[13:36]	Marianne McCann	Ya, I think I saw someone mention that on Twitter or Plurk the other day, Rand.
[13:36]	Marianne McCann	Moderate is the current nomenclature
[13:36]	Marianne McCann	General, Moderate, and Adult
[13:36]	Vincent Nacon	it's going to confuse the lesser minds
[13:37]	Jeremy Linden	Yeah, the rating names actualyl changed a couple years ago. The letters still mean roughly the same thing, but with more distinction between M and A.
[13:38]	Vincent Nacon	to be Mature or to be Moderate.... ah the irony
[13:38]	Marianne McCann	Like rain on yer wedding day?
[13:38]	Marianne McCann	Marianne McCann winks
[13:38]	Vincent Nacon	...no?
[13:39]	Vincent Nacon	anyway, just saying it's good idea to change either one of them on viewer or the wiki
[13:39]	Marianne McCann	Viewer says "Moderate"
[13:40]	Rand (rand.linden)	Vincent, the wiki, KB and Viewer should all be consistent in use of 'Moderate'
[13:40]	Rand (rand.linden)	See http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/Maturity-ratings/ta-p/700119 for more info :-)
[13:40]	Rand (rand.linden)	If you find anywhere that still uses 'Mature' let us know and we'll fix it.
[13:40]	Jeremy Linden	(However, it should be noted that we do not have any direct control over the wording used in third-party viewers)
[13:40]	Vincent Nacon	what about TPVs?
[13:41]	Vincent Nacon	right n/m
[13:41]	Rand (rand.linden)	What Jeremy said
[13:41]	Vincent Nacon	chat delay
[13:41]	Marianne McCann	Ya, and things like 1.23 still say it, but that's old tech
[13:41]	Rand (rand.linden)	:-)
[13:41]	Torben (torben.trautman)	+1 for Jeremy
[13:41]	Adamburp Adamczyk	Adamburp Adamczyk is buying nwe pc next week, might just try v2 or tpv v2
[13:42]	Rand (rand.linden)	Give it a go, Adamburp..you never know, you might like it?
[13:42]	Jeremy Linden	Adam, it's actually up to Viewer 3.0+ now :-)
[13:42]	Marianne McCann	There's can be a learnigncurve, Adamburb, butI supggest sticking with one of them for a bit, andgetting familiar with it
[13:42]	Adamburp Adamczyk	blimey
[13:42]	Adamburp Adamczyk	already tried twice, and i wasn't impressed
[13:42]	Adamburp Adamczyk	but 3rd time'sa charm
[13:42]	Vincent Nacon	doubt it
[13:42]	Torben (torben.trautman)	Viewer 3 is hiding behind the V2 icon on the desktop
[13:42]	Vincent Nacon	:P
[13:43]	Jeremy Linden	But now it has Mesh! Like ""Gone" (nacy nightfire) over tehre.
[13:43]	Marianne McCann	Some of my initial gripes way back when were more based on "I dont know where to find the ___ function"
[13:43]	Vincent Nacon	in my eyes, it's still 2.8.3
[13:43]	Vincent Nacon	silly number skipping
[13:43]	Adamburp Adamczyk	if there weren't phoenix, i;d still be suing 1.23
[13:43]	Adamburp Adamczyk	using*
[13:43]	Vincent Nacon	aye
[13:43]	Marianne McCann	And I know my curve wasnt as bad as some, because of being a big fan of keyboard shortcuts
[13:44]	Liisa Runo	... and when you ask people where the ____ function is, they tell you v3 dont have that function anymore.
[13:44]	Marianne McCann	Liisa - even when it sometimes does still have it!
[13:44]	Vincent Nacon	oh I tell people to edit their XMI files
[13:44]	Peewee Musytari	v2 wiped out loads of stuff..especially for RP and combat players
[13:44]	Peewee Musytari	most of the mouselook stuff
[13:45]	Rand (rand.linden)	OK, so it looks like we have covered everything of relevance. Anything else related to docs or community platform?
[13:45]	Adamburp Adamczyk	combat was ruined when rausch was destroyed :(
[13:45]	Peewee Musytari	Answers!!
[13:45]	Rand (rand.linden)	If not, then we can call it a wrap...
[13:45]	Jeremy Linden	Lexie did not brief me on what's up with Answers. Rand, do you know anything more?
[13:45]	Vincent Nacon	crunch wrap..... now I'm hungry
[13:45]	Rand (rand.linden)	haha
[13:46]	Adamburp Adamczyk	i DO have one thing ref answers
[13:46]	Marianne McCann	I'm gonna scoot along. Have fun all!
[13:46]	Torben (torben.trautman)	bye MAri
[13:46]	Venus Petrov	tc Mari
[13:46]	Storm Clarence	It was a pleasure to be among so many older residents. It is an honor as I have learned much from many of you
[13:46]	Adamburp Adamczyk	jer, rand: kudos to youi guys
[13:46]	Marianne McCann	Bye Bye!!
[13:46]	Rand (rand.linden)	Lexie said: "No update on changes to the Answers format yet."
[13:46]	Peewee Musytari	sigh
[13:46]	Rand (rand.linden)	Sorry, peewee!
[13:46]	Adamburp Adamczyk	your former colleague who ran thsi show was renowned for 1/2 useless crap answers
[13:46]	Adamburp Adamczyk	hr who left ll
[13:47]	Jeremy Linden	Glad you could make it, Storm. We're here every 2 weeks at the same time.
[13:47]	Rand (rand.linden)	Thanks Adamburp...
[13:47]	Adamburp Adamczyk	nicew to see you guys flourishing with these improvements
[13:47]	Rand (rand.linden)	And thanks everyone else... good to see you all!
[13:47]	Torben (torben.trautman)	so off to raiding it is
[13:47]	Storm Clarence	I read all the minutes Jeremy
[13:47]	Peewee Musytari	thanks jeremy & rand :)
[13:47]	Torben (torben.trautman)	bye all
[13:47]	Rand (rand.linden)	Bye!
[13:47]	Torben (torben.trautman)	have a great day
[13:47]	Storm Clarence	I have not really missed a meeting yet
[13:47]	Adamburp Adamczyk	pity she wasted 2 months of my time mind you
[13:47]	Rand (rand.linden)	You too, Torben!
[13:47]	Venus Petrov	have a good one all ã‹¡
[13:47]	Storm Clarence	goodbye all
[13:47]	Jeremy Linden	Heh! It's like you're here virtually... twice removed.
[13:47]	Vincent Nacon	later all, guess I'll see some of you on Beta soon today
[13:48]	Adamburp Adamczyk	well, i should head to be, 2150 here and i have a 5am styart

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