Community Tools User Group/01-September-2011
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- Adamburp Adamczyk (adamburp.adamczyk)
- Jeremy Linden (jeremy.linden) (User's Wiki Page)
- Liisa Runo (liisa.runo)
- Marianne McCann (marianne.mccann) (User's Wiki Page)
- oobscure (opensource.obscure)
- Peewee Musytari (peewee.musytari)
- Rand (rand.linden)
- Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood)
- Storm Clarence (storm.clarence)
- Torben (torben.trautman)
- Venus Petrov (venus.petrov)
- Vincent Nacon (vincent.nacon) (User's Wiki Page)
Transcript for Thursday September 1, 2011
[12:58] | Peewee Musytari | is jeremy |
[12:58] | Peewee Musytari | \o/ "YAYYYY!!!" |
[12:58] | Peewee Musytari | || |
[12:58] | Peewee Musytari | _/\_ |
[12:58] | Jeremy Linden | Hullo! |
[12:58] | Venus Petrov | hiya Jeremy |
[12:58] | Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood) | Oy. A Lindoom :) |
[12:58] | Adamburp Adamczyk | hey jeremy |
[12:58] | Peewee Musytari | he still loves us :) |
[12:58] | Vincent Nacon | I dunno about that |
[12:58] | Jeremy Linden | Hey, I'm not a doomsday Linden :-O |
[12:58] | Adamburp Adamczyk | jere is one of the GOOD ones |
[12:58] | Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood) | ^^ |
[12:58] | oobscure (opensource.obscure) | :D |
[12:59] | Adamburp Adamczyk | just you this week jer? |
[12:59] | Torben (torben.trautman) | hi all |
[12:59] | Venus Petrov | Peewee how are you gonna drum your hands? |
[12:59] | Jeremy Linden | Rand is also supposed to be here! |
[12:59] | Venus Petrov | hi torben |
[13:00] | Vincent Nacon | well he got one minute |
[13:00] | Vincent Nacon | on wait n/m |
[13:00] | Vincent Nacon | oh* |
[13:00] | Jeremy Linden | Lexie's going to be gone for awhile longer, so you guys are still stuck with me. |
[13:00] | Venus Petrov | hey Storm |
[13:00] | Torben (torben.trautman) | hehe Jeremy |
[13:00] | Venus Petrov | how long is awhile? |
[13:00] | Adamburp Adamczyk | that's cool jeremey |
[13:00] | Vincent Nacon | I'm sure he's not that bad |
[13:00] | Peewee Musytari | why she hiding from us? |
[13:00] | Torben (torben.trautman) | you mean you´re stuck with us ;) |
[13:00] | Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood) | stuck? Put that superglue away.... ^^ |
[13:00] | oobscure (opensource.obscure) | hiding ? |
[13:00] | Storm Clarence | hi everyone |
[13:01] | Vincent Nacon | because you're annyoing or something? |
[13:01] | Torben (torben.trautman) | hi sotrm |
[13:01] | Vincent Nacon | muhaha! |
[13:01] | Torben (torben.trautman) | storm even |
[13:01] | Jeremy Linden | Maybe I am! |
[13:01] | Peewee Musytari | we scared lexie away talking about support again |
[13:01] | Jeremy Linden | Hello! We're glad you made it. Welcome to... THE FUTURE! |
[13:01] | Peewee Musytari | she hasn`t been back since |
[13:01] | Jeremy Linden | I do have some annoying gestures :-D |
[13:01] | Adamburp Adamczyk | oh i LOVE support! |
[13:01] | Storm Clarence | hi peewee a pleasure to meet you |
[13:01] | Torben (torben.trautman) | hi Mari |
[13:01] | Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood) | there are no soup ports :p |
[13:01] | Adamburp Adamczyk | they just pulled a blionder this week! |
[13:01] | Vincent Nacon | oh I didn't mean you, Jeremy |
[13:01] | Venus Petrov | hey Mari |
[13:01] | Peewee Musytari | hey hey storm!!! |
[13:02] | Adamburp Adamczyk | full sim > 1/2 a sim > no sim! |
[13:02] | Peewee Musytari | wow see Jeremy everyone has come to meet you hehe |
[13:02] | Venus Petrov | hey Liisa |
[13:02] | Marianne McCann | Hiya |
[13:02] | Marianne McCann | Thanks, Jeremy |
[13:02] | Jeremy Linden | Wow, I'm popular! |
[13:02] | Liisa Runo | Liisa Runo whispers: hiyas |
[13:02] | Adamburp Adamczyk | hey marianne : |
[13:02] | Peewee Musytari | did even Rand desert us? |
[13:02] | Marianne McCann | Everyone's just so fond of your fancy hat, Jeremy |
[13:03] | Jeremy Linden | Ah, that must be it. I kept it from that one time that Jon, Kate and I dressed up as the 3 Musketeers :-D |
[13:03] | Peewee Musytari | lol |
[13:03] | Torben (torben.trautman) | awww |
[13:03] | Adamburp Adamczyk | Adamburp Adamczyk puts "gag of the week" away since only jeremy's here |
[13:03] | Torben (torben.trautman) | *good* old times |
[13:03] | oobscure (opensource.obscure) | agenda ? |
[13:04] | Jeremy Linden | Lessee, Agenda: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group |
[13:04] | Vincent Nacon | or news first? |
[13:04] | Adamburp Adamczyk | read jeremey' profiel erf display names |
[13:04] | Jeremy Linden | I can only cover some of the agenda, since I don't know Lexie's stuff. |
[13:04] | Adamburp Adamczyk | Adamburp Adamczyk was ogoing to use "happy birthday lexie" as a display name |
[13:04] | Venus Petrov | Jeremy, do you know when she will be able to join CTUG again? |
[13:05] | Peewee Musytari | lexie stuff is easy....Update on Answer....its still broke...done :) |
[13:05] | Jeremy Linden | Venus, I think Lexie said she'd be back in about a month. |
[13:05] | Vincent Nacon | yeah don't do that, Adam, you'd be stuck with it for a while |
[13:05] | Venus Petrov | thank you |
[13:06] | Jeremy Linden | As for the Knowledge Base, I'm still working on Mesh stuff, and I'll be consolidating and updating all those articles about how to connect to SL if you're behind a firewall (corporate or otherwise) |
[13:06] | Jeremy Linden | Rand has been working on some special projects that I'll let him talk about when he gets here :-) |
[13:07] | Jeremy Linden | Hm. And it appears that ALL the agenda items were for Lexie :-X |
[13:07] | Peewee Musytari | did u get the stuff you asked for about mesh tools input? |
[13:07] | Marianne McCann | Oops |
[13:08] | Jeremy Linden | Ooh, to be honest, I haven't checked recently. I notice that some people have definitely been contributing, though! |
[13:08] | Marianne McCann | I should poke about for an apt place for Robin Sojourner's mesh tutorial things |
[13:09] | Jeremy Linden | Ah, yes! Currently, most of the tutorial information that deals with specific tools is captured under https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh/Tools |
[13:09] | Peewee Musytari | kewl |
[13:10] | Torben (torben.trautman) | hi Rand |
[13:10] | Peewee Musytari | yay its rand |
[13:10] | Marianne McCann | Welcome, Rand |
[13:10] | Peewee Musytari | hewo |
[13:10] | Venus Petrov | hi Rand |
[13:10] | Rand (rand.linden) | Howdy all! |
[13:10] | Adamburp Adamczyk | hi rand |
[13:10] | Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood) | You are just in time to be too late ;) |
[13:10] | Jeremy Linden | I also found a neat series on creating rigged mesh clothing, but I havent' had a chance to evaluate it yet. It's almost as long as a feature film: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL11D6E99BB51A2BB2 |
[13:10] | Rand (rand.linden) | haha |
[13:11] | Peewee Musytari | nice one thanks jeremy |
[13:11] | Marianne McCann | Ya, I know Robin's on UV and mesh is about 20+ minutes (all three parts) |
[13:11] | Jeremy Linden | Hey Rand! I promised everyone you'd talk about your special proejcts in the KB :-) |
[13:11] | Vincent Nacon | in other words, I'll skip right to the end |
[13:11] | Marianne McCann | I can only imagine anything in depth on rigging has got to be huge |
[13:11] | Rand (rand.linden) | ah ok just a sec |
[13:12] | Rand (rand.linden) | Well one thing we just published today is http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/Premium-membership/ta-p/1054477 |
[13:12] | Rand (rand.linden) | This goes along with some new features of premium membership and promotions, etc. |
[13:12] | Jeremy Linden | It's very helpful for us to be able to point to detailed tutorials... We may know how the SL tools work, but you guys are often more experienced at using them :-) |
[13:12] | Marianne McCann | Ah, was wondering when the premium Sandbox stuff would go live |
[13:13] | Rand (rand.linden) | Basically you get premium "gifts" and sandboxes... |
[13:13] | Peewee Musytari | exclusive goods |
[13:13] | Rand (rand.linden) | There you go Marianne...live today! |
[13:13] | Peewee Musytari | ooh |
[13:13] | Peewee Musytari | where`s our presents? :D |
[13:13] | Rand (rand.linden) | Right peewee, that is the official term |
[13:13] | Marianne McCann | (Spotted them in progress about a week ago. Nice looking little space) |
[13:14] | Peewee Musytari | if we downgrade to you come and take our presents back? hehe |
[13:14] | Rand (rand.linden) | Ha I don't think so, Peewee |
[13:14] | Marianne McCann | "No premium soup for you!" |
[13:14] | Venus Petrov | my coffee mug will be used |
[13:15] | Jeremy Linden | We can't take back the fact that you *were* a Premium :-) |
[13:15] | Rand (rand.linden) | Other stuff I've been working on is still in progress and not released yet... |
[13:15] | Rand (rand.linden) | But I'd like to get your input on whether you think it would be useful to have a more traditional "User's Guide" type of doc. as well as the KB |
[13:16] | Torben (torben.trautman) | like the quickstart guide? |
[13:16] | Marianne McCann | I think so. |
[13:16] | Marianne McCann | AN ya, a "quickstart" |
[13:16] | Rand (rand.linden) | Torben, sort of, but not exactly |
[13:16] | Peewee Musytari | are presents only for premium & not concierge?...are they going to jealous? |
[13:16] | Venus Petrov | There have been a few questions lately asking for a 'Users Guide' (to everything) ã‹¡ |
[13:16] | Storm Clarence | all documentation to assist in learning is needed and wanted |
[13:16] | Vincent Nacon | oh don't be silly, the gift isn't that worthy |
[13:17] | Peewee Musytari | lol |
[13:17] | Marianne McCann | Somethign more geared towards an "average user," perhaps. Somethign not as complex/in depth as a KB has to be |
[13:17] | Rand (rand.linden) | More like a traditional set of guides, e.g. ..."Getting Started", "Using SL in Advanced Mode", "Content Creation Guide", "Landowners Guide" and th elike |
[13:17] | Venus Petrov | With links to more meaty information |
[13:17] | Marianne McCann | Marianne McCann fixes her "g before n"fingers |
[13:17] | Jeremy Linden | Storm, I think it's more a question of how you would like that documentation to be organized delivered. |
[13:17] | Marianne McCann | Ya, Rand. I think that would be of great value |
[13:17] | Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood) | Dos and Don'ts ? |
[13:17] | Jeremy Linden | er, and* |
[13:17] | Rand (rand.linden) | Marianne--we could try to address various experience levels |
[13:17] | Squirrely Wrath (squirrel.wood) | proper etiquette? |
[13:18] | Torben (torben.trautman) | nods, sounds interesting |
[13:18] | Vincent Nacon | only can count the etiquette as they come, not learn to cope |
[13:18] | Rand (rand.linden) | ok just wanted to get your take on the idea... thx |
[13:18] | Peewee Musytari | a decent guide for buying & selling land both mainland & estate & renting would be good...we get asked for that quite a lot like its something u can put in a post |
[13:18] | Marianne McCann | Good Rand. And ya. I don't think a beginning user wants to go through a huge set of data. They want to know what they're doing, but not be swamped with data |
[13:19] | Venus Petrov | Perhaps a place in the guide to answer common questions we see in Answers |
[13:19] | Rand (rand.linden) | Good point, Marianne |
[13:19] | Marianne McCann | "Just tell me how to talk," etc. |
[13:19] | Jeremy Linden | Peewee, there are articles in the Knowledge Base about buying and selling those kinds of land. |
[13:19] | Vincent Nacon | a simple walk through as they go along in their present time. |
[13:19] | Adamburp Adamczyk | jeremy: you need to improve inworld accessibility to the kb |
[13:19] | Rand (rand.linden) | This is just something we're considering...we need to work out the details... |
[13:20] | Peewee Musytari | yeah but they are all separate and specific...you get people asking how to set up a land business for example and wanting to know it all in one place |
[13:20] | Jeremy Linden | Oh, that's a fair point! A new feature we forgot to mention: |
[13:20] | Vincent Nacon | uh oh |
[13:20] | Jeremy Linden | SL Search can now search across ALL second life help repositories. Choose "Support" as your search type to search the KB, Answers, and the wiki. |
[13:20] | Vincent Nacon | in-world search? |
[13:20] | Rand (rand.linden) | +1 Jeremy, thx for bringing that up |
[13:21] | Venus Petrov | A Quick Start guide could give them basic information and then provide links to more detailed info in the KB |
[13:21] | Peewee Musytari | yus |
[13:21] | Venus Petrov | wet their appetites |
[13:22] | Peewee Musytari | sp it brings in other aspects..like first create a group for example |
[13:22] | Peewee Musytari | *so |
[13:22] | Torben (torben.trautman) | does it really make sense to also include Answers into the search? |
[13:23] | Rand (rand.linden) | Torben, you can deselect it if you don't want to search Answers. |
[13:23] | Rand (rand.linden) | Sometimes you might not find what you need elsewhere and want to include |
[13:23] | oobscure (opensource.obscure) | options = good |
[13:23] | Torben (torben.trautman) | ah, I just dound it in the fineprint :) |
[13:23] | Peewee Musytari | well the answered ones are supposed to be helpful...in theory lol |
[13:23] | Jeremy Linden | Jeremy Linden had to pipe up to make sure all forum posts weren't included as well :-) |
[13:24] | Torben (torben.trautman) | not saying they are not but it produces a really really long list of results |
[13:24] | Rand (rand.linden) | On a somewhat unrelated note; I don't recall if I showed this off yet: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Extended_Knowledge_Base |
[13:24] | Marianne McCann | Yipes, Jeremy |
[13:25] | Rand (rand.linden) | There are a lot of articles still in the wiki, that majority of which are valuable (some are outdated, though). THis is just provides abit more organization. |
[13:25] | Rand (rand.linden) | Netxt we hope to get time to clean them up and remove or update the outdated ones... |
[13:25] | Rand (rand.linden) | *THE majority.... |
[13:26] | Peewee Musytari | ok yeah thats more like it jeremy..thats helpful |
[13:26] | Rand (rand.linden) | BTW, all the wiki articles are open for editing, so if you are interested, feel free to adopt some and update them :-) |
[13:26] | Rand (rand.linden) | That's about all I have atm. |
[13:27] | Peewee Musytari | ty :) |
[13:27] | Marianne McCann | Ya, I need to still do some tweaking on a coupel of "my" pages. |
[13:27] | Marianne McCann | Marianne McCann adds a JIRA requesting "more hours in a day" |
[13:27] | Peewee Musytari | is there any news on fixing Answers? |
[13:27] | Torben (torben.trautman) | I´ll vote for it / watch it |
[13:27] | Rand (rand.linden) | Yeah, I would like to get that Jira fixed, Marianne! |
[13:27] | Jeremy Linden | 4 hours in a day isn't enough? |
[13:28] | Marianne McCann | Marianne McCann giggles |
[13:29] | Marianne McCann | 4 hours sure, but one of those hours is night |
[13:29] | Marianne McCann | And I've yet to be able to set my first life environmental settings to a fixed sun position |
[13:30] | Vincent Nacon | wasn't the wiki always open for edit to registered users anyway? |
[13:30] | Rand (rand.linden) | Vincent, we used to have an extension called "Flagged Revs" that provided for some oversight of edits..but we removed that |
[13:30] | Jeremy Linden | Yes, with the exception of certain pages and namespaces. However, many Residents don't realize they're "allowed" to make changes. |
[13:31] | Vincent Nacon | ah |
[13:31] | Rand (rand.linden) | Right--the "Linden Lab Official" namespace does not allow general editing... as you might expect :-) |
[13:31] | Rand (rand.linden) | Speaking of which... |
[13:31] | Rand (rand.linden) | I forgot to mention https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Adult_Content_FAQ |
[13:32] | Rand (rand.linden) | which is newly-revised and newly approved as 'official' |
[13:32] | Rand (rand.linden) | Folks in the adult community have been asking for it for some time... |
[13:32] | Torben (torben.trautman) | I like the part about child avis |
[13:32] | Vincent Nacon | they got balls about the child issue |
[13:33] | Rand (rand.linden) | Yes, I would say that is really 'not recommended' IMHO |
[13:33] | Vincent Nacon | "Since Adult regions by design will often contain sexual content, child avatars should use caution in visiting Adult regions. " that statement is very problematic in the future. |
[13:33] | Marianne McCann | Vincent - was somethign selttles in June '09, if memory serves |
[13:34] | Vincent Nacon | you'll be surprised how it can come back up again |
[13:34] | Marianne McCann | Ya, amongst the kids groups themselves, we recommend that kid avvies avoid adult rated regions if at all possible. |
[13:34] | Marianne McCann | Oh, no I would not. |
[13:34] | Marianne McCann | Marianne McCann winks |
[13:35] | Rand (rand.linden) | If you have concerns about the content of that article, then you should go to the Adult Content UG. I just compiled the info, edited it, etc. |
[13:35] | Marianne McCann | I'm glad the option is there, for those who often find themselves getting stuck in one of the Zindra infohubs when a region crashes... but, ya, not exactly the sort of land I'd consider friendly to kid avatars. |
[13:35] | Rand (rand.linden) | I just wanted to point out that it is there now and has been "approved". |
[13:36] | Marianne McCann | (and that's all I'mma gonna say) |
[13:36] | Vincent Nacon | and shouldn't you be using "Mature" and not "Moderate"? |
[13:36] | Marianne McCann | Ya, I think I saw someone mention that on Twitter or Plurk the other day, Rand. |
[13:36] | Marianne McCann | Moderate is the current nomenclature |
[13:36] | Marianne McCann | General, Moderate, and Adult |
[13:36] | Vincent Nacon | it's going to confuse the lesser minds |
[13:37] | Jeremy Linden | Yeah, the rating names actualyl changed a couple years ago. The letters still mean roughly the same thing, but with more distinction between M and A. |
[13:38] | Vincent Nacon | to be Mature or to be Moderate.... ah the irony |
[13:38] | Marianne McCann | Like rain on yer wedding day? |
[13:38] | Marianne McCann | Marianne McCann winks |
[13:38] | Vincent Nacon | ...no? |
[13:39] | Vincent Nacon | anyway, just saying it's good idea to change either one of them on viewer or the wiki |
[13:39] | Marianne McCann | Viewer says "Moderate" |
[13:40] | Rand (rand.linden) | Vincent, the wiki, KB and Viewer *should* all be consistent in use of 'Moderate' |
[13:40] | Rand (rand.linden) | See http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/Maturity-ratings/ta-p/700119 for more info :-) |
[13:40] | Rand (rand.linden) | If you find anywhere that still uses 'Mature' let us know and we'll fix it. |
[13:40] | Jeremy Linden | (However, it should be noted that we do not have any direct control over the wording used in third-party viewers) |
[13:40] | Vincent Nacon | what about TPVs? |
[13:41] | Vincent Nacon | right n/m |
[13:41] | Rand (rand.linden) | What Jeremy said |
[13:41] | Vincent Nacon | chat delay |
[13:41] | Marianne McCann | Ya, and things like 1.23 still say it, but that's old tech |
[13:41] | Rand (rand.linden) | :-) |
[13:41] | Torben (torben.trautman) | +1 for Jeremy |
[13:41] | Adamburp Adamczyk | Adamburp Adamczyk is buying nwe pc next week, might just try v2 or tpv v2 |
[13:42] | Rand (rand.linden) | Give it a go, Adamburp..you never know, you might like it? |
[13:42] | Jeremy Linden | Adam, it's actually up to Viewer 3.0+ now :-) |
[13:42] | Marianne McCann | There's can be a learnigncurve, Adamburb, butI supggest sticking with one of them for a bit, andgetting familiar with it |
[13:42] | Adamburp Adamczyk | blimey |
[13:42] | Adamburp Adamczyk | already tried twice, and i wasn't impressed |
[13:42] | Adamburp Adamczyk | but 3rd time'sa charm |
[13:42] | Vincent Nacon | doubt it |
[13:42] | Torben (torben.trautman) | Viewer 3 is hiding behind the V2 icon on the desktop |
[13:42] | Vincent Nacon | :P |
[13:43] | Jeremy Linden | But now it has Mesh! Like ""Gone" (nacy nightfire) over tehre. |
[13:43] | Marianne McCann | Some of my initial gripes way back when were more based on "I dont know where to find the ___ function" |
[13:43] | Vincent Nacon | in my eyes, it's still 2.8.3 |
[13:43] | Vincent Nacon | silly number skipping |
[13:43] | Adamburp Adamczyk | if there weren't phoenix, i;d still be suing 1.23 |
[13:43] | Adamburp Adamczyk | using* |
[13:43] | Vincent Nacon | aye |
[13:43] | Marianne McCann | And I know my curve wasnt as bad as some, because of being a big fan of keyboard shortcuts |
[13:44] | Liisa Runo | ... and when you ask people where the ____ function is, they tell you v3 dont have that function anymore. |
[13:44] | Marianne McCann | Liisa - even when it sometimes does still have it! |
[13:44] | Vincent Nacon | oh I tell people to edit their XMI files |
[13:44] | Peewee Musytari | v2 wiped out loads of stuff..especially for RP and combat players |
[13:44] | Peewee Musytari | most of the mouselook stuff |
[13:45] | Rand (rand.linden) | OK, so it looks like we have covered everything of relevance. Anything else related to docs or community platform? |
[13:45] | Adamburp Adamczyk | combat was ruined when rausch was destroyed :( |
[13:45] | Peewee Musytari | Answers!! |
[13:45] | Rand (rand.linden) | If not, then we can call it a wrap... |
[13:45] | Jeremy Linden | Lexie did not brief me on what's up with Answers. Rand, do you know anything more? |
[13:45] | Vincent Nacon | crunch wrap..... now I'm hungry |
[13:45] | Rand (rand.linden) | haha |
[13:46] | Adamburp Adamczyk | i DO have one thing ref answers |
[13:46] | Marianne McCann | I'm gonna scoot along. Have fun all! |
[13:46] | Torben (torben.trautman) | bye MAri |
[13:46] | Venus Petrov | tc Mari |
[13:46] | Storm Clarence | It was a pleasure to be among so many older residents. It is an honor as I have learned much from many of you |
[13:46] | Adamburp Adamczyk | jer, rand: kudos to youi guys |
[13:46] | Marianne McCann | Bye Bye!! |
[13:46] | Rand (rand.linden) | Lexie said: "No update on changes to the Answers format yet." |
[13:46] | Peewee Musytari | *sigh* |
[13:46] | Rand (rand.linden) | Sorry, peewee! |
[13:46] | Adamburp Adamczyk | your former colleague who ran thsi show was renowned for 1/2 useless crap answers |
[13:46] | Adamburp Adamczyk | hr who left ll |
[13:47] | Jeremy Linden | Glad you could make it, Storm. We're here every 2 weeks at the same time. |
[13:47] | Rand (rand.linden) | Thanks Adamburp... |
[13:47] | Adamburp Adamczyk | nicew to see you guys flourishing with these improvements |
[13:47] | Rand (rand.linden) | And thanks everyone else... good to see you all! |
[13:47] | Torben (torben.trautman) | so off to raiding it is |
[13:47] | Storm Clarence | I read all the minutes Jeremy |
[13:47] | Peewee Musytari | thanks jeremy & rand :) |
[13:47] | Torben (torben.trautman) | bye all |
[13:47] | Rand (rand.linden) | Bye! |
[13:47] | Torben (torben.trautman) | have a great day |
[13:47] | Storm Clarence | I have not really missed a meeting yet |
[13:47] | Adamburp Adamczyk | pity she wasted 2 months of my time mind you |
[13:47] | Rand (rand.linden) | You too, Torben! |
[13:47] | Venus Petrov | have a good one all ã‹¡ |
[13:47] | Storm Clarence | goodbye all |
[13:47] | Jeremy Linden | Heh! It's like you're here virtually... twice removed. |
[13:47] | Vincent Nacon | later all, guess I'll see some of you on Beta soon today |
[13:48] | Adamburp Adamczyk | well, i should head to be, 2150 here and i have a 5am styart |