Open Development User Group/Archive/2011-06-01

13:30	TheBlack Box	hi Oz
	Yuzuru	Hello Oz.
	draconis.neurocam	hello oz
	Oz Linden	Hi everyone!
13:31		Forgive me if I'm a little slow today.... it's been a long week already
	Ju	hello oz
	Yuzuru	Oz, May I write crash report in Japanese? Because Officeal Viewer and snapshot were crushed frequently.
13:32	Oz Linden	If you mean can you report a bug that happens when using Japanese, yes.... if you actually write the report in Japanese, that would be a problem for most Lindens
13:33	Yuzuru	Thank you.
	Oz Linden	Some new faces here today... welcome
13:34		By the way... there is a huge thunderstorm bearing down on me. There's a pretty decent chance I'll loose my connection, my power, or both.... so if I disappear, you'll know why
	Techwolf Lupindo	HI Oz. (slow to repond, reading up on thinsgs)
	Jonathan	http://images.intellicast.com/WxImages/RadarSummary/hfd.gif
13:35		Oz might end up in the land of Oz
	Techwolf Lupindo	I prefer Wondermap. It uses google maps and is interactive.
13:36	Oz Linden	http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=42.53617&lon=-71.32038&zoom=10&type=map&units=english&pin=40%%20Laurelwood%%20Dr,%%20Carlisle,%%20MA%%2001741,%%20USA&plat=42.53617&plon=-71.32038&rad=1&rad.num=6&rad.spd=25&rad.opa=50&rad.stm=1&rad.type=N0R&rad.type2=&rad.smo=1&rad.mrg=0&wxsn=0&svr=0&cams=0&sat=0&riv=0&mm=0&hur=0&fire=0&tor=0&ndfd=0&pix=0&dir=0
		indeed
	Techwolf Lupindo	Hahaha. :-D
	Oz Linden	I've had my cable knocked out 4 times in 3 years by lightning
	Dɐuʇıɐ Goʇɥןʎ	oz, maybe this is something that could be looked at.
		https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-25928
	Office Orb	VWR-25928 Client crash's while entering mouse look.
	Oz Linden	but they just ran a new cable, and claim that this one is correctly grounded (unlike the old one), so we'll see
13:38		That looks like an interesting one, but we'd need to either get the logs attached or get a specific time, place, and user where it happened (so that we could look in our crash logger for it)
13:39	Dɐuʇıɐ Goʇɥןʎ	happens to me at least twice a day, and I'm willing to test
	Oz Linden	hang on a moment... I'll look in the crash log
13:41		I can't find any
13:42		which doesn't mean that they are not there; finding a specific crash can be tricky
	Zi Ree	kills another rampant SLPlugin process >.<
	Jonathan	Here is the agenda, such as it is https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Development_User_Group
13:43	Oz Linden	yeah... there are some issues in OPEN
		many seem to be variations on a theme....
	Jonathan	oz, reload that page at some point; I added an entry
13:44	TheBlack Box	same theme i guess
13:45	Oz Linden	Sure... let's talk fmod
		what's the issue?
	Jonathan	A few of us just updated the windows build wiki
		and in so doing added instructions for fmod
13:46	Oz Linden	got a pointer?
	Jonathan	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_2_Microsoft_Windows_Builds#Fmod_method_1_.28using_autobuild.29
		hope that works
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	it did
	Jonathan	The issue is the steps to configure for fmod are a bit complex and have to be repeated for every cloned repo
13:47		basically you have to make a local copy of autobuild.xml and apply the fmod changes to it
	Oz Linden	yes, that's true
	Jonathan	we are hoping to come up with some automated / scripted system to do most of that
13:48		I was also wondering if you would support using the old way of having 2 switches on the configure command line
	Oz Linden	Forgive some of my Win-ignorance....
	Jonathan	in that case one would just point to the needed files, which is someting a mac build already supports
	Oz Linden	it doesn't seem as though that would be very hard to script
13:49		the cloning and modifying of the autobuild.xml, that is
	Jonathan	I will see if I can find someone to come up with a program of some sort
13:50	Oz Linden	Ideally something cross-platform?
	Jonathan	good idea
	Oz Linden	I think that there's a shorter way to do that autobuild installables edit command by just pointing it to the package file
13:51		if not, there should be
	Jonathan	if someday you have a bit of time please let us know how to simplify things; the autobuild wiki is sorely lacking
	Oz Linden	That documentation is very well done, by the way - kudos to all who contributed to it
13:52	Jonathan	It was time for a good rewrite. Now people starting out have a chance
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	john and boroodas did most of it
	Oz Linden	As it happens, I'm going to be talking to people about autobuild today and tomorrow - it will come up
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	ima and myself did some
	Oz Linden	the results are great
	Jonathan	Ima had to read the autobuild code to figure out the right command to use
		The autobuild wiki is not very complete
13:53	Oz Linden	It should be pretty easy to generalize to cover any of the 3p-* packages....
	Jonathan	and has 0 examples :(
		ok, that's enough for this subject I guess
13:54	Oz Linden	OPEN-71
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-71 OPEN-71 As an Open Source (OS) developer using windows I want 3p-FMOD library to build and package locally using autobuild.
	TheBlack Box	got to go .. sorry .. see you around all
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	tc black
	Oz Linden	I'm not clear what this is asking for....
	Yuzuru	see you!
13:55	Oz Linden	do we need to document that unzip and curl need to be in your environment?
		(are they not already?)
	Jonathan	already documented as of 2 days ago
		Nicky helped a lot too
	Oz Linden	so can we close this
		?
	Jonathan	yes
13:56		There has been a lot of confusion over what apps had to be loaded to deal with fmod
	Oz Linden	ok ... will do after the meeting
	Jonathan	we now have a good handle on it
	Oz Linden	WOW ... big thunder!!
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	fun times! ㋡
	Oz Linden	open-70
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-70 OPEN-70 Change 3p-ogvorbis/build-cmd.sh to use msbuild.exe parameters.
	Oz Linden	so this is an example case that there are probably many of
13:57		some of them are in the build scripts, and I guess those will all have to be dealt with one at a time
13:58		I'll take this one and run it through our build farm to see how it goes....
	Jonathan	this was done for viewer-development / autobuild.xml when we first got our hands on it, so it should not be too difficult of an issue to deal with
13:59	Oz Linden	The really interesting question is whether or not we can establish a pattern for these that works both inside and outside LL
		using the same commands, I mean
		the viewer itself needs to be different because of the proprietary changes, but the 3p- libs should be the same
14:00	Jonathan	I think it only means replacing devenv.com with msbuild.exe and making associated changes
	Oz Linden	I'm not sure how I check whether or not that will affect incredibuild, but I know who to ask....
		I'll use this one as a test case.
14:01	Jonathan	Worst case is what was done for OS pepole to use autobuild has to be replicated for the 3p items
14:02		Nicky is the expert on those changes; I think LL still uses devenv
	Oz Linden	and open-69
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-69 OPEN-69 Change autobuild to use msbuild.exe
14:03	Oz Linden	the diff does not seem to account for cases in which the 'proj' is not set, which the origninal does.... will have to find out why that is there in the old code
14:04		testing that in the build farm will be a little trickier... I'll have to get some help on that one
14:05		open-68 (the global issue) I'll leave alone until I've done those other tests
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-68 OPEN-68 Convert autobuild library builds to use msbuild.exe instead of devenv.com. Then, convert all 3p-lib's build-cmd.sh to have the correct parameter call alignment for msbuild.exe.
14:07	Oz Linden	open-67
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-67 OPEN-67 LLDirIterator implementation incompatible to boost::filesystem v3 (as found in Boost 1.44 and newer)
14:08	Oz Linden	If we're going to take this on, we should probably also investigate upgrading to a more recent boost at the same time
		don't want to get too far behind, anyway
14:09		open-65
	Office Orb	http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/OPEN-65 OPEN-65 autobuild build for 3p-ogvorbis defaults to vs2005 even though configured under a vs2010 express shell
	Techwolf Lupindo	Don't forget to add #ifdef to prevent breaking standalone builds with 1.39 though 1.46
14:11	Oz Linden	I have to suspect that open-65 is a local environment problem
	Jonathan	read the last comment
		it is a devenv issue again
14:12	Oz Linden	but that doesn't have anything to do with VS versions, does it?
	Jonathan	no, that issue was resolved (see 1st comment) but...there is a good point there to change the xml file to default to vs2010
14:13	Oz Linden	yes, that's true
14:16		which exhausts our triage before the worst part of the storm reaches me !
		other topics for our remaining time?
	Techwolf Lupindo	builds up a static charge with his fur...
14:17	Jonathan	just saw a lightning flash
14:18	draconis.neurocam	is the latest merge going to get pushed to the build servers today?
14:19	Oz Linden	sorry... which latest merge?
	draconis.neurocam	commit 18659 61ccb97fb4dd
	Jonathan	doesn't every commit result in a teamcity build?
	draconis.neurocam	the one from 9 hours ago
14:20		yes, but it hasnt happened yet, i was just wondering
	Oz Linden	oh, yes ... every group of commits within some small time window triggers a build
14:21		most recent build appears to have finished about a half hour ago....
	draconis.neurocam	http://automated-builds-secondlife-com.s3.amazonaws.com/hg/repo/snowstorm_viewer-development/latest.html doesnt point to it
14:22	Oz Linden	it did for me...
	draconis.neurocam	must be my dns
		weird
14:23	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	Completed: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:09:10 PM (1306984150)
	Oz Linden	or some overly-aggressive cache?
	draconis.neurocam	thats possible, sorry for pointing it out, since its a problem on my end
14:24	Oz Linden	where is it getting that time, I wonder?
		no apology needed... if it were not working, I'd have needed to know, and it's not unheard of
	draconis.neurocam	yeah clearing browser cache fixed it
14:25	Yuzuru	It is the local time.
	Oz Linden	I have that problem regularly with some of our internal stats tools
		it's not giving me my local time
14:26		it's 6 hours east of me
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	its not my time either
		universal time?
	Yuzuru	really! It is PDT.
	Oz Linden	no... I'm only -4 ... a puzzlement
14:27	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	im PDT
	Yuzuru	Here is +9
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	its 2:30PM here
		on jin 1st
	Oz Linden	as long as the clock only runs forwards :-)
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	june*
		true ㋡
14:28	Ju	Completed: jeudi 2 juin 2011 05:09:10 (1306984150
		that one completed... tomorrow for me >_<
	Oz Linden	I'll have to stop on time today folks... I've got a training session to go to.
	draconis.neurocam	take care oz
	Yuzuru	Completed: 2011年6月2日 12:09:10 (1306984150)
	Oz Linden	see you all soon
	Ju	bye oz
14:29	Yuzuru	See you!
	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	tc Oz
14:30		and hope you servive the storm ㋡