Open Source Meeting/2009-09-03
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[14:00] | Squirrel Wood: | Hello Rob! |
[14:01] | Rob Linden: | hi folks |
[14:01] | Economic Core: | aand now I go grab some more caffeine. |
[14:01] | Kerry Giha: | Hello Rob |
[14:01] | Twisted Laws: | hi Rob |
[14:01] | Techwolf Lupindo: | Hi rob |
[14:02] | Squirrel Wood: | Aaaaaagenda is here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Source_Meeting/Agenda (Aaaaaagenda is here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Source_Meeting/Agenda) |
[14:02] | Mealea Ying: | Hi everyone |
[14:02] | Rob Linden: | oops...looks like it wasn't cleared from last week |
[14:02] | Sahkolihaa Contepomi is back too. | |
[14:02] | Sahkolihaa Contepomi: | Hey Rob & Merov. |
[14:03] | Sahkolihaa Contepomi: | 50% of VS 2005 Express downloaded. |
[14:03] | Economic Core: | back |
[14:04] | Merov Linden: | hi guys |
[14:04] | Rob Linden: | so, I just threw a few things in the agenda just now |
[14:04] | Rob Linden: | first thing: SNOW-215 |
[#SNOW-215] OGP Interop login/teleport | ||
[14:05] | Rob Linden: | as mentioned on the list, I'm looking for more eyes on this patch before committing it. |
[14:05] | Merov Linden: | loooong patch... |
[14:05] | Pixel Gausman: | yes, so the OGP patch is big. and needs eyes on it. I'm working on a test plan <blush> sorry for not including that initially |
[14:06] | Pixel Gausman: | i'm usually in #opensl and happy to answer questions there. |
[14:06] | Rob Linden: | no worries...we haven't been religous about asking for them, but this one is intrusive enough that it seems wise |
[14:06] | Economic Core: | oh wait, this isn't a bug triage in general. /me fixes sign... |
[14:06] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | any chance of breaking it down to components? |
[14:06] | Twisted Laws: | it'd be the same as the linden logon/tp/etc test plan, right? |
[14:07] | Pixel Gausman: | if you are testing OGP mode, robla, vaak is err ummm... a easily excitable |
[14:07] | Pixel Gausman: | ThickBrick: breaking the test plan down into components? |
[14:07] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | I was thinking about breaking the patch down |
[14:07] | Merov Linden: | there's a new UI panel in there so likely some new test steps/scenarios |
[14:08] | Pixel Gausman: | Thick: i wish@ |
[14:08] | Twisted Laws: | true |
[14:08] | Pixel Gausman: | wish! |
[14:08] | Pixel Gausman: | Merov: yes, the UI changes a smidge, but fairly isolated |
[14:08] | Rob Linden: | Pixel: I'm less concerned with testing the OGP aspects of this as I am making sure the patch doesn't break use on the production grid. Both are important, but production grid bugs will make us slip 1.2 |
[14:08] | Merov Linden: | also URI of a grid that supports said OGP 100% (since vaak is "excitable") |
[14:09] | Pixel Gausman: | Rob: totally true. It's the non-OGP that needs a bucket of testing |
[14:09] | Pixel Gausman: | The OGP code is going to be changing as the spec evolves |
[14:10] | Rob Linden: | how different are things in the non-OGP case? |
[14:10] | Pixel Gausman: | Merov: well, IBM is open sourcing an agent domain implementation in a few days, we'll need to find someone that wants to host it, hopefully an OpenSimmie will |
[14:11] | Morgaine Dinova: | Back. WOOT Pixel, great stuff, it's the start of something! Well done :-)) |
[14:11] | Economic Core: | If I had more than 768k DSL, I'd host it. |
[14:11] | Pixel Gausman: | Rob: non-OGP mode changes: it's intended not to have different non-OGP functionality, other than the following (off the top of my head): |
[14:12] | Pixel Gausman: | the login panel moves the Start Location combobox slightly |
[14:13] | Pixel Gausman: | some of the debug info that goes into SecondLife.log might have gotten tagged as "Wearables" or "Inventory" where it was previously just llinfos |
[14:13] | Pixel Gausman: | thx Morgaine (thx Morgaine) |
[14:13] | Sahkolihaa Contepomi mumbles something about VS 2005 throwing an error while installing. :| | |
[14:13] | Pixel Gausman: | mmm, i think everything else should be the same |
[14:14] | Pixel Gausman: | in testing non-OGP mode, people do lots of testing on Inventory ( and yes, that will be in my test plan) |
[14:14] | Rob Linden: | ok...that's good |
[14:15] | Morgaine Dinova: | Darn, I wish the OGP stuff could be made pluggable. It's going to be changing a lot, and it's quite a pain to have a new viewer every time. |
[14:15] | Mojito Sorbet: | That is a general comment about lots of things. |
[14:16] | Pixel Gausman: | Morgaine: it will get better, i hope |
[14:16] | Economic Core: | Maybe we should start working towards pluggable architecture? |
[14:16] | Pixel Gausman: | i'm definitely learning where the pain points are in changing the viewer |
[14:16] | Mojito Sorbet: | Yes, pleeeze |
[14:16] | Mojito Sorbet: | I am having toruble just getting the whole environment set up on Vista to be able to edit the damn thing |
[14:17] | Rob Linden: | let's move on before we go too far repeating the pluggable architecture discussion |
[14:17] | Rob Linden: | :) |
[14:17] | Vincent Nacon: | I'm wondering when will Linden Lab stop support open source? Because legal matter over copybot |
[14:17] | Economic Core: | It's even worse trying to setup a standalone build on debian for Meerkat |
[14:17] | Mealea Ying: | wouldent thaat nessitate upgrading a slew of plugins? or would there be an AutoUpgrade Plugin? |
[14:17] | Mojito Sorbet: | Thunderbird seems to manage it |
[14:17] | Economic Core: | Vincent: The cat's already out of the bag, thwey can't really stop their OS viewer stuff |
[14:17] | Geneko Nemeth: | What can be seen can be copied. You can't stop it ever, properitary software merely impede that from happening, but it will still be possible. |
[14:17] | Morgaine Dinova: | True, Mojito. Although OGP is going to be changing for *years* (seriously), so this is pretty important. Even if the whole viewer isn't modular, this is one part that will cause eternal pain if it's not. |
[14:18] | Pixel Gausman: | So any SNOW-215 questions come to mind, i'm suzyq in #opensl |
[14:18] | Pixel Gausman: | in IRC (in IRC) |
[14:18] | Vincent Nacon: | I agree but supporting open source only make it easier |
[14:18] | Economic Core: | Not really |
[14:18] | Rob Linden: | moving on, if you've been following the sldev-commits list, you've seen some activity on the Media Plugin stuff |
[14:18] | Economic Core: | Copyb ot was made prior to the OSViewer |
[14:18] | Mealea Ying: | thankyou Rob |
[14:19] | Melinda Latynina: | it's not the open source that makes it easier but the OGP. please take copybot issues there? |
[14:19] | Aimee Trescothick: | \o/ |
[14:19] | Rob Linden: | the exports get attributed to CG, but in fact, Merov is working on merging the Media Plugin stuff, with the ultimate goal of landing it in Snowglobe |
[14:19] | Vincent Nacon: | nope, sorry, open source ned to be canceled in order to recode the server's data packet |
[14:19] | Economic Core: | ... |
[14:19] | Economic Core wallbangs | |
[14:20] | Pixel Gausman: | go Merov! |
[14:20] | Merov Linden: | thanks Pixel |
[14:20] | Morgaine Dinova: | Vincent, perhaps this world is not the one you were looking for. |
[14:20] | Pixel Gausman: | Really excited to see the Mediaplugin stuff |
[14:20] | Techwolf Lupindo: | I think Vincent is looking for Blue Marble. |
[14:20] | Merov Linden: | I'm in the throes in merging media plugin in my local snowglone repo |
[14:20] | Vincent Nacon: | maybe not but companies are starting to wonder where the leaks are coming from |
[14:21] | Economic Core: | Vincent, Copybot is completely independant of the Linden viewers, it's based on LibOMV, which was reverse-engineered prior to LL releasing the code to their viewer |
[14:21] | Morgaine Dinova sighs | |
[14:21] | Mealea Ying: | Im wondering where you are from |
[14:21] | Aimee Trescothick: | can we stick to the agenda please |
[14:21] | Sahkolihaa Contepomi agrees with Aimee. | |
[14:21] | Vincent Nacon: | yes, meaning it's time to recode their data packet |
[14:21] | Mealea Ying shuts up and feeds not the trolls | |
[14:22] | Morgaine Dinova puts away the troll snacks too | |
[14:22] | Economic Core: | Vincent, do a little more homework before cming here and complaining about stuff. Moving on. |
[14:22] | Rob Linden: | the merge of the Media Plugin stuff is going to be pretty disruptive |
[14:22] | Pixel Gausman: | Merov: when will the Media pluging be done being integrated? |
[14:22] | Twisted Laws: | and you could just use the graphics layer in the computer under the viewer to catch everything |
[14:22] | Pixel Gausman: | Rob: why disruptive? |
[14:22] | Rob Linden: | Pixel: it touches a lot of code |
[14:23] | Merov Linden: | I'm planning to integrate in an internal branch for the moment |
[14:23] | Merov Linden: | so I'm not destabilizing the trunk |
[14:23] | Economic Core: | Disruptive as in it'll cause a riot or because the code merging will be like Mars and Earth colliding? |
[14:23] | Vincent Nacon: | ID and Raven has no problem with DLL branching to use their 3d engine from being taken |
[14:23] | Sahkolihaa Contepomi: | Mars and Earth colliding...haha, nice way to put it. |
[14:23] | Merov Linden: | no, it's not *that* disruptive Ecinomic |
[14:23] | Rob Linden: | Vincent: please stay on topic |
[14:23] | Pixel Gausman: | it touches different code than my big blobby OGP thing, me thinks |
[14:23] | Techwolf Lupindo: | No DLLs please. |
[14:24] | Merov Linden: | I think soPixel |
[14:24] | Economic Core: | DLLs?! On my Linux viewer?! *shudders* (DLLs?! On my Linux viewer?! * shudders *) |
[14:24] | Techwolf Lupindo: | This is cross platform, not windows only that uses dlls. |
[14:24] | Morgaine Dinova: | I think the word "disruptive" was unnecessarily dramatic. :-))) Sure, a lot of code will change, but that doesn't have to mean breakage. Needs much testing of course. |
[14:24] | Mojito Sorbet: | The concept is portable. |
[14:25] | Merov Linden: | the delicate part of the merge is that both LLMedia and http-texture (which is in SnowGlobe) made modif in similar parts (threads, texture rendering) |
[14:25] | Rob Linden: | Morgaine: it's lots of changes under the hood, though |
[14:25] | Pixel Gausman: | Merov: good point |
[14:25] | Economic Core: | Sure, but that doesn't mean it's not doable. |
[14:25] | Merov Linden: | it's not contradicting each other but the auto merge only goes so far |
[14:25] | Sahkolihaa Contepomi: | Tech, I think your mic is on. |
[14:25] | Merov Linden: | i.e. not far at all |
[14:26] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | Merov, this will include the improvemtns to ointeraction with the media-on-a-prim prims? |
[14:26] | Mojito Sorbet: | Making the viewer modular has to happen at some point, to make these major additions easier. |
[14:26] | Mealea Ying: | BlooKitty just bit it |
[14:26] | Merov Linden: | Thickbrick : yeap (Thickbrick: yeap) |
[14:26] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | great! |
[14:26] | Pixel Gausman: | Thick: i think LLMedia even does Laundry and dirty dishes. |
[14:26] | Tiny Blue Kitty Head: All Go | |
[14:26] | Economic Core: | Well yeah, but it'll be a while before the code can be wrestled into a position where it is modular |
[14:26] | Pixel Gausman: | it's seriously cool |
[14:26] | Merov Linden: | Mojite: LLMEdia does include a plugin architecture |
[14:27] | Merov Linden: | it's limited to media rendering true |
[14:27] | Aimee Trescothick: | \o/\o/\o/ |
[14:27] | Mojito Sorbet: | And that is a great start |
[14:27] | Merov Linden: | but it's a start |
[14:27] | Economic Core: | Right now, everything is bound to the UI |
[14:27] | Morgaine Dinova: | Rob, I crashed but caught your comment about log of things changing under the hood. kk |
[14:27] | Merov Linden: | I'd certainly like us (SnowGlobe) to look into this and see where we could go with it |
[14:28] | Merov Linden: | from a plugin architecture standpoint |
[14:28] | Merov Linden: | didn't take long for Aimee to do something with it and generate loads of buzz :) |
[14:28] | Mealea Ying: | Could something like Motioncapture data (bvh?) be used live as media? |
[14:28] | Aimee Trescothick: | :) |
[14:28] | Mojito Sorbet: | I am currently building an addon to add accessibility features. I can give you some ideas on the kind of things I need to get my hands on |
[14:28] | Economic Core: | Would it be possible to ask if you could also work on separating the UI and the backend so that everything isn't shoved into the UI? |
[14:29] | Merov Linden: | Mealea: Mocap! Ha! that's my pony :) |
[14:29] | Mealea Ying grins! (grins!) | |
[14:29] | Economic Core: | It's kind of difficult to make the UI scriptable when the backend and the UI are so tightly interfaced |
[14:29] | Pixel Gausman: | Mojito: we have an alternative accessibility viewer for the blind. |
[14:29] | Mealea Ying likes Ponys | |
[14:29] | Mojito Sorbet: | Pixel, who is "we"?? |
[14:29] | Economic Core: | IBM? |
[14:30] | Pixel Gausman: | we == IBM |
[14:30] | Pixel Gausman: | yeah |
[14:30] | Mojito Sorbet: | Funny the blind poeple I know are not aware of it |
[14:30] | Rob Linden: | Economic: there's work underway to do some amount of separation there. we haven't published the code yet, but we're incrementally improving the modularity with each release |
[14:30] | Economic Core: | good |
[14:30] | Economic Core: | ty rob (ty rob) |
[14:31] | Economic Core: | Mass extinction in progress o_O |
[14:31] | Morgaine Dinova: | Pixel: is the IBM accessibility viewer for the blind derived from LL's GPL code? |
[14:32] | Merov Linden: | pixel is offline morgaine |
[14:32] | Morgaine Dinova: | Oh yeah, question overlapped with Pixel leaving |
[14:32] | Mojito Sorbet: | I would kind of like to know about that, as that is what *I* am working on too |
[14:33] | Mm Alder: | Mojito, try contacting Pixel on IRL |
[14:33] | Rob Linden: | anything else we should talk about on the Media Plugin merge, or should we move on? |
[14:34] | Rob Linden: | next topic: SNOW-93 (automatic translation) |
[#SNOW-93] Automatic language translation of chat messages | ||
[14:34] | Mealea Ying: | oh my |
[14:34] | Aimee Trescothick: | http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/virtualworlds/ |
[14:34] | Morgaine Dinova: | Pixel may return since didn't say bye, although I might have missed it |
[14:35] | Kerry Giha: | My experience with this technology can be a bit discouraging. |
[14:35] | Kerry Giha: | It would be ok if it would also show the speech in the other language too |
[14:35] | Rob Linden: | Kerry: with translation? |
[14:35] | Kerry Giha: | yes |
[14:35] | Squirrel Wood: | automatic translations are mostly only approximate |
[14:35] | Rob Linden: | Kerry: it does show both languages |
[14:35] | Melinda Latynina: | anything is better than nothing here |
[14:35] | Kerry Giha: | sometimes it mixes stuff up and the meaning implied is all wrong |
[14:35] | Rob Linden: | I've got the viewer with this enabled now |
[14:36] | Geneko Nemeth: | It's good when the language are close like English and French, but something like French to Chinese would be a disaster. |
[14:36] | Merov Linden: | Kerry: it's true but it helps when your English for instance is rusty |
[14:36] | Rob Linden: | it's not perfect, but it's still pretty neat |
[14:36] | Mojito Sorbet: | And typos really mess it up |
[14:36] | Mealea Ying: | Kerry, the problem can be releived some by using very short sentences.... Asian languages however seem to translate poorly no mater what |
[14:36] | Kerry Giha: | I found english to portugese pretty bad too |
[14:36] | Merov Linden: | Mojito: true |
[14:36] | Mm Alder: | Rob, how does it do with there-and-back translations. "The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak." is the classic. |
[14:37] | Mealea Ying: | typos dont help at all no |
[14:37] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | http://www.translationparty.com/ (http://www.translationparty.com/) |
[14:37] | Squirrel Wood: | the biggest problem is going to be typos... |
[14:37] | Rob Linden: | the extension is using Google's translation service |
[14:37] | Mealea Ying: | the meat is rotten but the vodka is good |
[14:37] | Kerry Giha: | yea specially when lolcat is used. |
[14:37] | Rob Linden: | so, it's going to be exactly as good as going to Google |
[14:37] | Zai Lynch: | Best to keep sentence structures simple. No weird grammer stunts. then the results are understandable/interpretable in many cases |
[14:37] | Sahkolihaa Contepomi: | WOn't that cause delays in chat messages, as someone has commented on in the JIRA? |
[14:37] | Melinda Latynina: | why all the nit-picking? LL is saying that they'll be happy with an implementation that has big problems |
[14:37] | Meggan Faith: | Speaking of typos, it would be really cool if there were spelling check as you type, like it is common in IM programs. |
[14:37] | Rob Linden: | I've not noticed it |
[14:37] | Mojito Sorbet: | The cultural iddioms do not translate at all |
[14:37] | Squirrel Wood: | there are translation huds and the best result they give is more spam :p |
[14:38] | Merov Linden: | in my experience, longer self consistent sentences work best |
[14:38] | Squirrel Wood: | and gibberish. |
[14:38] | Mealea Ying: | me too Merov |
[14:38] | Kerry Giha: | That Aspell that Pidgin uses would be good as a spell checker in SL I think :) |
[14:38] | Rob Linden: | so, those of you that can type something other than English, type something.... |
[14:38] | Morgaine Dinova: | You mean "sup bro" might not translate well to Chinese? |
[14:38] | Morgaine Dinova: | ^_^ |
[14:38] | Aimee Trescothick: | VWR-5447 for spell check |
[#VWR-5447] Add inline spell checker to text entry fields | ||
[14:38] | Squirrel Wood: | but yes. If its built in that means less prims and scripts. ^^ |
[14:39] | Merov Linden: | now, if all English native speaker could learn the difference between "its" and "it's", that'd help :) |
[14:39] | Rob Linden: | lol (lol) |
[14:39] | Sahkolihaa Contepomi: | Heh. (Heh.) |
[14:39] | Morgaine Dinova: | haha (haha) |
[14:39] | Sahkolihaa Contepomi: | Don't count on that. :) |
[14:39] | Aimee Trescothick: | looked into it before, best option for spell check I think is a library called "Enchant" |
[14:39] | Geneko Nemeth: | ?,???????????????,???????????? (Well, of you can play something other than English, playing things that are not English bar.) |
[14:39] | Rob Linden: | there/their is another fun one |
[14:39] | Sahkolihaa Contepomi: | oO (oO) |
[14:39] | Kerry Giha: | And people will always be wondering around |
[14:39] | Squirrel Wood: | though if you ask me then it should be optional so that those who dislike it can opt to not have it shown. |
[14:39] | Mojito Sorbet: | ????? (Hello) |
[14:39] | Geneko Nemeth: | ??,???? (What, buddy?) |
[14:40] | Merov Linden is *not* using a SNOW-93 patched viewer right now... | |
[14:40] | Rob Linden: | Squirrel: it's totally optional |
[14:40] | Aimee Trescothick: | which acts as an abstraction layer, allowing you to use Aspell, Hunspell, or whatever is available on the platform or works best for a particular language |
[14:40] | Teravus Ousley: | see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil... :D |
[14:40] | Squirrel Wood: | optional on the receiving end ? |
[14:40] | Thickbrick Sleaford: | ???? ???? (Hello world) |
[14:40] | Sheet Spotter: | The only French I know is... Voulez vous coucher avec moi ce soir. :-) (The only French I know is ... Would you sleep with me tonight. :-)) |
[14:40] | Kerry Giha: | I think the language translation would be good if it showed both languages together like the attachments do |
[14:41] | Mealea Ying: | I want it, I make typos constantly, but a translator built in would still be great |
[14:41] | Mojito Sorbet: | There are plenty of translator HUDs. Putting it in the viewer would help with server load and HTTP activity. |
[14:41] | Kerry Giha: | so you can pick out the verbs and see that the translation is different than what they ment |
[14:41] | Rob Linden: | Sheet, it did that one perfectly :) |
[14:41] | Geneko Nemeth: | I think anything going to 3rd parties are going to be risky.... |
[14:41] | Meggan Faith: | There are already more then enough risks and third parties involved. |
[14:42] | Mojito Sorbet: | Watashi no kuruma wa akai desu |
[14:42] | Geneko Nemeth: | Heh. (Heh.) |
[14:42] | Merov Linden: | j'allai le dire... (I went to say ...) |
[14:42] | Morgaine Dinova: | That's life, it's risky, nad most people die. |
[14:42] | Squirrel Wood: | Volltext Übersetzung funktioniert leider nicht immer sehr gut :) (Full-text translation unfortunately does not always work very well:)) |
[14:42] | Teravus Ousley: | replace most, with all, and that sentence will be correct ? |
[14:43] | Melinda Latynina: | like everything here, if the protocol is well designed and the 3rd parties abstracted and pluggable, then the risks are mitigated and we don't build more spagetti code |
[14:43] | Sahkolihaa Contepomi: | That's...the first time I've seen you type like that, Squirrel. |
[14:43] | Squirrel Wood: | ^^ |
[14:43] | Rob Linden: | regardless of the merits of the feature...there's still some tweaks we need to get it into Snowglobe |
[14:43] | Sahkolihaa Contepomi: | Any way we can translate British crap? I'm full of it, unfortunately. :) |
[14:43] | Sahkolihaa Contepomi: | I say things and most in the US have no clue what I've said. :P |
[14:43] | Rob Linden: | I'm planning on separating out JsonCpp into an install.py library |
[14:44] | Mealea Ying: | Sahkolihaa I cant even pronounce your name! |
[14:44] | Sahkolihaa Contepomi: | My name is Finnish. :) |
[14:44] | Mealea Ying: | I know |
[14:44] | Sahkolihaa Contepomi: | "Koli" fits better. :P |
[14:44] | Mealea Ying: | I love Finnish folk music |
[14:44] | Morgaine Dinova: | Py? Don't like the sound of that, another Python dependency? |
[14:45] | Rob Linden: | Morgaine: it's just the standard library bundling mechanism |
[14:45] | Merov Linden: | not another, been there for quite a while |
[14:45] | Morgaine Dinova: | kk (kk) |
[14:46] | Rob Linden: | there's some other minor cleanup that's needed as well (e.g. getting the unit tests working on Mac and LInux) |
[14:46] | Rob Linden: | the patch is reasonably Isolated |
[14:46] | Rob Linden: | we should be able to get this into shape for inclusion before too long, though |
[14:47] | Rob Linden: | not much more to talk about there, unless anyone has anything else to add |
[14:48] | Mealea Ying: | I do (I) |
[14:48] | Rob Linden: | Mealea: yes? |
[14:48] | Mealea Ying: | Flexi Sculpts please Oh Please Oh Please! |
[14:49] | Mealea Ying grins (grins) | |
[14:49] | Rob Linden: | heh (heh) |
[14:49] | Mealea Ying: | well I had to try, they are splendid |
[14:50] | Rob Linden: | anything else we need to cover today? |
[14:50] | Aimee Trescothick: | can I persuade someone with a Mac to review SNOW-42 for me? :) |
[#SNOW-42] Harmless warnings building mac-updater | ||
[14:50] | Mm Alder: | I'm looking for help on VWR-10924 if anyone is interested. |
[#VWR-10924] Magical scripted HUD/UI | ||
[14:51] | Mojito Sorbet: | : Does anyone run VS2005 to work on SnowGLobe on Windows Vista? |
[14:51] | Rob Linden: | Aimee: I meant to reply on that. yeah, that seems like a reasonable change. we dropped Mac 10.3.9 support quite some time ago |
[14:51] | Aimee Trescothick nods | |
[14:51] | Twisted Laws: | i do Mojito |
[14:51] | Mealea Ying: | Sai has a Mac |
[14:51] | Aimee Trescothick: | just kinda bored of seeing those warnings lol |
[14:51] | Mojito Sorbet: | Ok, just so I know it is possible. |
[14:51] | Teravus Ousley: | I think he has a PowerPC mac |
[14:52] | Morgaine Dinova: | Mm: that's interesting, UXIG shortly, we could discuss it there |
[14:52] | Mm Alder: | OK Morgaine |
[14:52] | Aimee Trescothick: | and started looking at making it work with the 10.6 framework now, so would be nice to get that cleaned up :D |
[14:53] | Mealea Ying: | oooo! BloooKitty, I wanna go too |
[14:53] | Morgaine Dinova: | Hehe |
[14:53] | Rob Linden: | Aimee: does the presense of the legacy stuff break 10.6? |
[14:53] | Morgaine Dinova: | Everyone grab onto Mm |
[14:54] | Squirrel Wood: | didn't apple decide to not support powerpc based systems on their latest os upgrade ? |
[14:54] | Aimee Trescothick: | well, there's other stuff breaking 10.6 now anyway, I'm not sure if that breaks it too, I've been doing my 10.6 work post applying that patch |
[14:54] | Rob Linden: | ah |
[14:55] | Teravus Ousley: | Yes, Snow Lep dropped powerPC support |
[14:56] | Geneko Nemeth: | Aww! |
[14:56] | Techwolf Lupindo: | Sidenote, I just looked at SNOW-93, I think I will add that patch to the snowglobe-trunk gentoo overlay so gentoo users can check and test it out. |
[14:57] | Morgaine Dinova: | Well I'm running Techwolf's gentoo overlay build permanent, so will be testing it |
[14:57] | Morgaine Dinova: | Techwolf's build is a standalone |
[14:58] | Morgaine Dinova: | Using the inverse meaning of "standalone" that we have here, haha |
[14:58] | Rob Linden: | Mm: your stuff looks really interesting. I'm not sure just how the interactions well work with some of our latest code....there's some discussion about that at Linden Lab |
[14:58] | Techwolf Lupindo: | One sould read the ebuild comments I have in there. LL has some strange logic. |
[14:59] | Mealea Ying: | yah..... like limits on things...... /me shuts up again |
[14:59] | Mm Alder: | Rob, I was afraid 2.0 might break it. |
[15:00] | Rob Linden: | it's a pretty big patch, so it's inevitably going to run up against that type of problem |
[15:00] | Mm Alder: | It would be nice if the viewer were open source :-) |
[15:01] | Rob Linden: | thanks eveyrone for coming! |
[15:01] | Rob Linden: | well, we're at the end of the hour |
[15:01] | Geneko Nemeth: | Off to UXIG then! |
[15:01] | Mojito Sorbet: | To paraphrase Arthur C Clarke, any sufficiently obscure code is indistinguishable from closed-source |
[15:01] | Sahkolihaa Contepomi: | See you rob. |
[15:01] | Aimee Trescothick: | thanks Rob :) |
[15:01] | Mojito Sorbet: | bye |
[15:01] | Sheet Spotter: | Thank you for this hour! |