Bug triage/2007-08-20/Transcript

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[15:00] Squirrel Wood: Hi Rob
[15:00] Daedalus Young: hi Rob
[15:00] SignpostMarv Martin: of course, you'd need the list for the variable length input
[15:00] Rob Linden: hi folks
[15:00] Jacek Antonelli: And a nice regexp matcher, too, please. :D
[15:00] SignpostMarv Martin: Hi Rob, did you get my query about hijacking the start of the meeting so i can get some sleep ?
[15:00] SignpostMarv Martin: won't take long, just 3 links to show off :-P
[15:00] Squirrel Wood: Hellos Aric!
[15:00] Rosen Janus: Is this an official one? XD
[15:01] Rosen Janus: Hello. ^^
[15:01] Daedalus Young: hi Aric
[15:01] Aric Linden: hi all.
[15:01] Jacek Antonelli: r/(MISC|SVC|VWR|WEB)\-([0-9]+)/
[15:01] Benja Kepler: hi rob, Aric
[15:01] Aric Linden: nice to see everyone
[15:01] Goldvald Enoch: Hi Rosen
[15:01] Rosen Janus: Hello, Goldvach. ^^
[15:01] Rob Linden: I lost track of the fancy new bug urler that WarKirby gave me
[15:02] Jacek Antonelli: This one is more fun, anyway.
[15:02] Squirrel Wood: yep.
[15:02] Jacek Antonelli: We're MISCREANTS.
[15:02] Jacek Antonelli: WEBROKEIT
[15:02] Aric Linden: Miscreants?
[15:02] Goldvald Enoch: Before we start ... What about Voice in GNU/Linux?
[15:02] Rosen Janus: Ah. Rob, you're into the open source stuff? o.o
[15:02] Aric Linden: I prefer to think of us as elegant time utilizers
[15:02] Jacek Antonelli: hehe
[15:03] Goldvald Enoch: Free software :)
[15:03] SignpostMarv Martin: that needs fixing so it doesn't llLoadURL() if there's no parameter
[15:03] Goldvald Enoch: I like software with full permissions. ;)
[15:03] Aric Linden: Let's give it one more minute before we start
[15:03] Rosen Janus: << >> I know this isn't bug-related... buy any idea when WindLight might be showing up?
[15:03] Rosen Janus: but*
[15:04] Aric Linden: There should be a windlight first look out in the near future
[15:04] Benja Kepler: Torley has an update http://tinyurl.com/yr933b
[15:04] Jacek Antonelli: Nifty
[15:04] Goldvald Enoch: At last bug triade, I was told that voice for GNU/Linux would come "real soon now" .. but nothing has happened since, as far as I know.
[15:05] Jacek Antonelli: For some value of "real soon now" ;)
[15:05] Rob Linden: agenda: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Monday Agenda
[15:05] Rosen Janus: Nice place, by the way, Rob. o_o
[15:05] SignpostMarv Martin: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=JNfWKLVO3BGk50MUYEsBXw
[15:05] Wyn Galbraith thinks her viewer hates her today.
[15:05] Rob Linden: thanks
[15:05] Aric Linden: Shall we start?
[15:05] SignpostMarv Martin: Yahoo Pipe for nabbing your posted issues
[15:05] SignpostMarv Martin: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=7KTTkvRO3BGNq2GujUnRlg
[15:05] Rosen Janus: My viewer hates me, too. o.O
[15:06] SignpostMarv Martin: Yahoo Pipe for extracting issue IDs << meant to be used as a module in other Yahoo Pipes
[15:06] Aric Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1907
[15:06] Rob Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Monday_Agenda
[15:06] Rob Linden: there...that links better
[15:06] SignpostMarv Martin: http://my.slopenid.net/signpostmarv-martin/ << JIRA Issues Reported widget
[15:06] Jacek Antonelli: Hehe. But we could have gotten through the other agenda so quickly... ;)
[15:07] Rob Linden: Aric: you want to get started?
[15:07] Wyn Galbraith: Couldn't click on anything, map wouldn't load and now my focus is jumping around like a jumpin' bean. I'm ready, let's get these issues ;)
[15:07] Aric Linden: yes, thanks rob
[15:07] Squirrel Wood: I think this url thinger wants a /555 before the thing
[15:07] Aric Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1907
[15:07] Benja Kepler: is VWR-1907 a bug? no more repro provided
[15:08] Aric Linden: I'm not sure I completely understand the issue
[15:08] Squirrel Wood: UI bug ?
[15:08] Wyn Galbraith: It's not really clear is it.
[15:08] Rosen Janus: If I could just get IE up quickly. x.x
[15:08] Squirrel Wood: should be discussed tomorrow mayhaps ?
[15:08] Benja Kepler: it looks like it's supposed to work that way
[15:08] Wyn Galbraith: I think they're saying that the release keys button show.
[15:08] Wyn Galbraith: *shows
[15:08] Benja Kepler: and no more repro given
[15:08] Aric Linden: maybe, but I'm not sure that it'll be any clearer tomorrow than it is today.
[15:09] Goldvald Enoch: If I am not mistaken .. this is an error of the scripted objects, asking for permissions they don't need. In other words an Rx
[15:09] Aric Linden: :-)
[15:09] Wyn Galbraith: But the movement doesn't work?
[15:09] Wyn Galbraith ahs.
[15:09] Jacek Antonelli: It sounds like it *used* to be broken, but people got used to that behavior.
[15:09] Jacek Antonelli: And now it's fixed, and they're confused.
[15:09] Benja Kepler: yes, so don't 'fix' it
[15:09] Aric Linden: and from the last posting, it seems as though it may be inconsistent in behavior now
[15:10] Benja Kepler: needs more info, I say - like a script to demo it
[15:10] Aric Linden: yes, I agree.
[15:10] Jacek Antonelli: yes
[15:10] Rob Linden: resolve/need info, and add UI to component for when it gets reopened?
[15:10] Goldvald Enoch: They give the multitool as example.
[15:10] Jacek Antonelli: Sounds good, Rob
[15:10] Aric Linden: so let's mark it needs more info. Rob, are you note taking?
[15:11] Rob Linden: sure, I can
[15:11] Aric Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-553
[15:11] Aric Linden: next up (and thanks Rob!)
[15:11] Wyn Galbraith idles for RL interruptous.
[15:11] Squirrel Wood: VWR-2001 may be related
[15:12] Aric Linden: I think this can be closed as a duplicate or tracked in the umbrella that Torley has linked to
[15:12] Aric Linden: I *know* this is being actively worked this week.
[15:12] Aric Linden: I had conversations about this today.
[15:13] Rosen Janus: I do happen to get a lot of "gesture missing from database" errors
[15:13] Goldvald Enoch: Which bug is it duplicating, if you don't mind telling?
[15:13] Aric Linden: Shall we leave it linked and move on?
[15:13] Goldvald Enoch: Same here, Rosen.
[15:13] Kooky Jetaime: I'm getting the gesture missing from database, and I'm not even loading any gestures..
[15:13] Aric Linden: It's duplicating the bug that torley linked to: the umbrella inventory issue.
[15:14] Squirrel Wood: get it on login every time
[15:14] Rosen Janus: Same here
[15:14] Goldvald Enoch: Does that cover "gesture missing", when you log on?
[15:14] Squirrel Wood: ctrl-shift-4 may show something on the missing issue
[15:15] Rosen Janus: On this login it happened five times
[15:15] Goldvald Enoch: It happens at least five times to me as well.
[15:15] Jacek Antonelli: It has some linked issues that aren't linked to by the umbrella meta-issue (SVC-114)
[15:15] Rosen Janus: x.x Waiting for the page to come up
[15:16] Aric Linden: I'm happy to import this and link it to the extant issue. will that suffice?
[15:16] Squirrel Wood: I guess that's the best thing to do
[15:16] Goldvald Enoch: The repro for me, is simply to relog, and wait for the errors ... lots of errors on the console too, I guess.
[15:16] Aric Linden: Let's add it to the existing issue and move on. I'll discuss this with the team working on it.
[15:16] Aric Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1985 is next
[15:17] Squirrel Wood: download loop... should be fixable by uninstalling and reinstalling the latest client ?
[15:17] Aric Linden: I see that you've already commented on this rob. How would you feel about closing it?
[15:18] Benja Kepler: Rob, you made comments about the folder changing - is that fixed now? so this won't recur?
[15:18] Rob Linden looks
[15:18] Aric Linden: I suspect that you're right in your comments. We could leave it open and ask if it's still an issue.
[15:18] Rosen Janus: Hm.. o.o I wish SL didn't take up so much memory. XD So my other programs will launch faster.
[15:18] Aric Linden: but I'd prefer to simply close it.
[15:18] Rob Linden: pedantic point: resolve not close, but yes, I concur. resolve need info
[15:18] Benja Kepler: (by fixed, I meant that the folder naming has settled down)
[15:18] Aric Linden: Rosen, that's because of the built in memory leak feature we added.
[15:18] Wyn Galbraith returns.
[15:19] Aric Linden: ;-)
[15:19] Goldvald Enoch: Yeah .. can be reopened if there is a problem.
[15:19] Aric Linden: is just kidding.
[15:19] SignpostMarv Martin: sleepy time for me, toodles peeps
[15:19] Jacek Antonelli grins
[15:19] Saijanai Kuhn: laters
[15:19] Turtle: Yeah, bye...
[15:19] Jacek Antonelli: ciao Marv
[15:19] Rosen Janus: Since it's not loading for me, what's 1985 about?
[15:19] SignpostMarv Martin poofs
[15:19] Daedalus Young: bye
[15:19] Wyn Galbraith: You built in a memory leak? Now that's original.
[15:19] Rosen Janus: XD
[15:19] Aric Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-507 is next
[15:19] Saijanai Kuhn: part of SL tradtition
[15:20] Wyn Galbraith sort of likes it ;)
[15:20] Goldvald Enoch: Rosen: Someone complains their Windows viewer keep requiring update.
[15:20] Aric Linden: 1985 was about an install loop problem
[15:20] Benja Kepler: I've seen this, but it isn't permanent...otherwise I wouldn't be logged in now!
[15:20] Rosen Janus: Ah. Thanks, Goldvald. ^^
[15:20] Wyn Galbraith: Oh, I had a similar problem.
[15:20] Wyn Galbraith: Only it was user error.
[15:20] Wyn Galbraith: I was clicking on the wrong shortcut.
[15:21] Wyn Galbraith had to clean up her desktop.
[15:22] Wyn Galbraith: It's not the same problem.
[15:22] Jacek Antonelli: Hmm, not sure about SVC-507
[15:22] Rob Linden is not so sure about new bug urler....it's more work this way
[15:23] Aric Linden: hmm. it seems to me that problem may have been related to our network problems of a couple weeks ago.
[15:23] Aric Linden: yes?
[15:23] Dale Glass: hiya :-)
[15:23] Jacek Antonelli: Heya Dale
[15:23] Goldvald Enoch: You need a repro to work on it at least.
[15:23] Dale Glass: I'd really appreciate a card with a log of what I missed
[15:23] Wyn Galbraith: Hello Dale.
[15:23] Boroondas Gupte starts preparung such card
[15:24] Saijanai Kuhn: chr 5
[15:24] Object: in chr handler
[15:24] Object: 5
[15:24] Object: The character 5 is ASCII 53
[15:24] Aric Linden: Although the timing is slightly off if the first poster had been having issues for 10 days prior to his/her initial post.
[15:25] Dale Glass: thanks :-)
[15:25] Boroondas Gupte: welcome :-)
[15:25] Saijanai Kuhn: chr
[15:25] Object: in chr handler
[15:25] Object: chr
[15:25] Aric Linden: but the majority of the comments come from right in the middle of our internal network problems.
[15:25] Goldvald Enoch: Oh .. I read it as if they tried continiously for 10 days to get on, before they had success.
[15:25] Wyn Galbraith hrms.
[15:25] Wyn Galbraith: Maybe we're all feeling different parts of the elephant.
[15:25] Boroondas Gupte: looks like only some of them had success
[15:26] Aric Linden: agrees with wyn
[15:26] Rob Linden: regardless, the description needs updating if it's to stay open
[15:26] Aric Linden: the timestamps indicate that the problem was persistent enough for commentary from aug 5 - 12
[15:26] Aric Linden: I agree with you Rob. let's move on.
[15:27] Rob Linden: resolve need info?
[15:27] Wyn Galbraith nods.
[15:27] Aric Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2001
[15:27] Aric Linden: yes. resolve need more info, please.
[15:27] Object: Hello, Avatar!
[15:27] Saijanai Kuhn: chr
[15:27] Object: in chr handler
[15:27] Squirrel Wood: same as SVC-553 ?
[15:27] Aric Linden: I think so, Squirrel.
[15:28] Aric Linden: anyone disagree?
[15:28] Goldvald Enoch: I haven't read half of it yet.
[15:28] Aric Linden: grins
[15:28] Goldvald Enoch: :)
[15:28] Boroondas Gupte agrees without having read most of it
[15:28] Goldvald Enoch: I'll take your word for it though.
[15:28] Rob Linden: looks like 553 to me
[15:28] Aric Linden: laughs
[15:29] Rosen Janus: Odd. o.O Search isn't working for me at the moment.
[15:29] Aric Linden: i wish it was all this easy.
[15:29] Aric Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1888 is next
[15:29] Benja Kepler: VWR-1888 needs someone who can read Japanese to test it - I haven't seen this problem in English viewer
[15:29] Saijanai Kuhn: listen test
[15:29] Aric Linden: ahh. By coincidence, we have a japanese tester.
[15:29] Boroondas Gupte: I don't think this is specific to Japanese letters
[15:30] Aric Linden: grins hugely.
[15:30] Rosen Janus: Eh.. just in case, watch out when the meeting is over. Search isn't working for me and neither is the map. =)
[15:30] Boroondas Gupte: Notice the Latin ones are affected, too on the screenshot
[15:30] Saijanai Kuhn: -+
[15:30] Saijanai Kuhn: -*
[15:30] Wyn Galbraith: I had problems with map before I got here.
[15:30] Aric Linden: but I think this is already in the pipeline since it appears that it's already assigned internally
[15:30] Benja Kepler: (loads of people online - and no casinos....)
[15:31] Squirrel Wood: cut off messages... may eventually be related... but yesterday I kept getting chat error popups when trying to post messages longer than two or three words to group chat
[15:31] Saijanai Kuhn: wonder if this related to a thing we found last night
[15:31] Goldvald Enoch: I dunno if this is related .. but I expirienced a wierd thing: I was talking to someone in IM .. and suddenly about 18 minutes disappears from the log .. both in the IM window, and on disc....
[15:31] Saijanai Kuhn: testing llSetText
[15:31] Dale Glass: hm, something's broken again
[15:31] Dale Glass: dataserver seems to be failing
[15:31] Saijanai Kuhn: not all fonts are created equal in SL
[15:31] Saijanai Kuhn: hiragana
[15:31] Turtle: again with the Japanese? Sheesh.
[15:32] Aric Linden: Well, this appears to be in process right now. Shall we import it?
[15:32] Squirrel Wood: Jalapenos ^^
[15:32] Wyn Galbraith: Tastey
[15:32] Saijanai Kuhn: the native SL font is supllimented by OS fonts, but every OS has missing chars in the set
[15:32] Benja Kepler: hai!
[15:32] Aric Linden: Same thing with the next one. It appears that Soft is ahead of us
[15:32] Rob Linden: are they both imported?
[15:33] Squirrel Wood: these two had patches attached
[15:33] Aric Linden: I don't know if they're imported, but Soft has assigned them to himself.
[15:33] Rob Linden: (that always helps)
[15:33] Rob Linden: good enough
[15:33] Rob Linden: will import if they aren't
[15:33] Saijanai Kuhn: could you pas that info on to Soft?
[15:34] Rob Linden: Saijanai...could you add to comments?
[15:34] Aric Linden: ok. thanks rob.
[15:34] Saijanai Kuhn: sure OK. We were playing with LLSetText and UTF-8 and found different chars were supported in different OS's
[15:34] Aric Linden: on to the Misc pool
[15:34] Dale Glass: the thing would be shipping an unicode font with SL
[15:35] Rosen Janus: Shutterbug. =D
[15:35] Wyn Galbraith puts on waders.
[15:35] Aric Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-481
[15:35] Benja Kepler: I tried the scripts in SVC-481 and it worked ok for me
[15:35] Dale Glass: I had this idea to try to use various unicode characters like icons, but almost nobody sees them
[15:36] Rob Linden: resolve/cannot repro?
[15:36] Aric Linden: Yes. I think so.
[15:36] Saijanai Kuhn: roling restart = unpredictable behavior
[15:36] Goldvald Enoch: There is a repro provided though?
[15:37] Aric Linden: There's a script provided.
[15:37] Goldvald Enoch: "create object with the following scripts, attach it to any point, then click it. previous experience: permissions would be shared, and both page up or page down would function current experience: permissions are not shared, down.lsl does not get control() events from the page down key, while page up works. work around: move scripts into different prims in the object "
[15:37] Rob Linden: What Benja's saying is that the script works (and doesn't fail as reported)
[15:37] Goldvald Enoch: Oh ok
[15:37] Saijanai Kuhn: ask teh reporter if the scripts still fail.
[15:38] Aric Linden: We had several of these reported after that restart and couldn't internally repro any of them.
[15:38] Wyn Galbraith: Sometimes it's hard to know if it's really a problem or a glitch.
[15:38] Wyn Galbraith: Sounds like a glitch this time.
[15:38] Goldvald Enoch: I guess it could be related to sim-lag or similar. I sometimes have trouble running scripts in some sims, and they will work in another.
[15:39] Squirrel Wood blames the evil player named "Packet Loss" for it ^^
[15:39] Saijanai Kuhn: during a restart, all bets are off, I've found
[15:39] Wyn Galbraith: Oh yeah, that one's a mean dude.
[15:39] Daedalus Young: bets are off for quite some time already :P
[15:39] Aric Linden: let's move on
[15:39] Aric Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-82
[15:40] Wyn Galbraith has no clue about this one.
[15:40] Aric Linden: I was just in a meeting with all of the QA team. I can only absorb a specific amount of cynicism a day.
[15:40] Wyn Galbraith: What's a RAW file?
[15:40] Daedalus Young: for heightmaps, iirc
[15:40] Benja Kepler: Cynicism Threshold Exceeded
[15:40] Maklin Deckard has a question to ask about something he has seen scripts do, once the issues have been covered, does not want to break the flow, though.
[15:40] Aric Linden: grins at Benja
[15:40] Boroondas Gupte: RAW is a lossless image format, AFAIK
[15:41] Aric Linden: This appears to be a real issue.
[15:41] Squirrel Wood: cynicism exceeded? switch over to sarcasm ^^
[15:41] Wyn Galbraith: Like warning sim crossing ahead. Oh, thanks Boroondas :)
[15:41] Aric Linden: We've been doing some formalization of channels internally.
[15:41] Saijanai Kuhn: photo format, allows huge pixel sizes...
[15:41] Rosen Janus: SL's broken again. >> Maps, Profiles, Linden balance. Everything's on the fritz. I'm already getting reports of "Loading..." in the balance.
[15:41] Aric Linden: I'd like to import this, especially since it has useful repro files
[15:41] Wyn Galbraith: So RAW is a format and not just unprocessed?
[15:42] Saijanai Kuhn: don't know what it stands for, but its a "raw" photo without any processing
[15:42] Boroondas Gupte: a format for unprocessed images, I'd say
[15:42] Wyn Galbraith learns something new every day.
[15:42] Rosen Janus: A TIFF image?
[15:42] Aric Linden: Let's take this one.
[15:42] Wyn Galbraith wonders if she's sitting too close to Aric.
[15:42] Benja Kepler: RAW files are for terrain - making aren't they?
[15:42] Rob Linden: k
[15:42] Daedalus Young: no, it comes closest to BMP, but without headers
[15:43] Boroondas Gupte: TIFF is a different image format than RAW
[15:43] Saijanai Kuhn: designed for hi-rez scans of phots (really high rez)
[15:43] Goldvald Enoch: Rosen: If you have an expensive digi-cam, it will store the pictures in RAW .. then you convert to TIFF.
[15:43] Aric Linden: For making terrain and trees and waterfalls
[15:43] Wyn Galbraith: Gotcha.
[15:43] Dale Glass: IIRC, RAW as in SL == bitmaps with no headers at all. Just a flat dump of an image, you need to tell the program even things like the size for it to read it correctly
[15:43] Benja Kepler: but the issue is about editing land isn't it?
[15:43] Boroondas Gupte: ah, ok
[15:43] Aric Linden: raw is a graphic format that is output by digital cameras u
[15:43] Daedalus Young: that's how raw files also work in paint shop pro
[15:44] Aric Linden: you can then filter them into whatever file type you want
[15:44] Aric Linden: let's move on. https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-94
[15:44] Dale Glass: RAW for digital cameras are a completely different thing AFAIK. They're a raw dump of sensor data, but may be camera dependent and have extra info attached
[15:45] Rosen Janus: Ah. Search is back now. =)
[15:45] Goldvald Enoch: So in short ... good question, Rosen. ;)
[15:45] Rob Linden: I started to comment on MISC-94, and then got distracted before I could look up the video diagnostic page to point this person to
[15:46] Boroondas Gupte: there's a video diagnostic page?
[15:46] Squirrel Wood: most likely a driver issue
[15:46] Rob Linden: yeah...we've got a writeup somewhere telling people how to report graphics card issues
[15:46] Aric Linden: I'm wondering if these folks are using the french version of XP?
[15:46] Aric Linden: since they're talking about graphiques
[15:47] Wyn Galbraith's pointed ears perk.
[15:47] Rob Linden: is there some known issue with French XP?
[15:47] Saijanai Kuhn: on that note, what about intel internal graphics support? lots of hte new laptops are inboard graphcis only
[15:47] Aric Linden: Not that I know of
[15:47] Aric Linden: not now saijanai, i'll be glad to talk with you about that offline
[15:47] Saijanai Kuhn: KK
[15:47] Aric Linden: but i'd like to stay on focus
[15:47] Laetizia Coronet: WHat about right here right now with just about everything down? Sorry
[15:48] Aric Linden: sure thing Saijanai
[15:48] Saijanai Kuhn: at the end if there/s time?
[15:48] Goldvald Enoch: Laetizia: THats offtopic, someone will deal with it.
[15:48] Wyn Galbraith: Warning warning Will Robinson, Linden is overheating.
[15:48] Benja Kepler: (arms flail about)
[15:49] Aric Linden: I don't think that there should be an issue with french XP
[15:49] Aric Linden: and the drivers should be the same.
[15:49] Goldvald Enoch: Like I hope they will with voice for GNU/Linux. ;)
[15:49] Squirrel Wood: Well, since they use ordinateurs instead of computers... mayhaps that's the issue ;)
[15:49] Wyn Galbraith: Well, drivers down't have to speak French. They just have to speak driver.
[15:50] Aric Linden: right, but maybe if the user went to the french site to download latest drivers, they weren't the same rev as the american ones
[15:50] Aric Linden: who can tell what's in the heart of intel?
[15:50] Squirrel Wood: they'd get the international download
[15:50] Wyn Galbraith: That should only include error messages though.
[15:51] Benja Kepler: so, where were we?
[15:51] Jacek Antonelli: wb Rob
[15:51] Aric Linden: I think we need more information.
[15:51] Goldvald Enoch: Also .. a translation can sometimes trigger a bug .. not very likely with graphics driver, but possible.
[15:51] Aric Linden: true goldvald
[15:51] Rob Linden: International pages of Ati are mostly in sync with US ones.
[15:51] Saijanai Kuhn: different length string
[15:52] Aric Linden: drivers too, Boroondas?
[15:52] Rob Linden: especially the drivers, I guess
[15:52] Jacek Antonelli heads out. Take care, all!
[15:52] Saijanai Kuhn: laters
[15:52] Turtle: Yeah, bye...
[15:52] Daedalus Young: bye
[15:52] Goldvald Enoch: Boroodas: I wouldn't be so sure unless you know something about how ATI handles that stuff.
[15:53] Aric Linden: I don't know. Sometimes they are slower to finish the testing of drivers etc
[15:53] Rob Linden: that's just from expreriance, I know nothing about how they release drivers
[15:53] Aric Linden: it's easy to keep pages up to date, but validating the different OS's and drivers is probably a little more difficult.
[15:54] Aric Linden: Rob, can we ask for more info? I'm curious to know if these are french users and drivers?
[15:54] Squirrel Wood: more info is definitely needed
[15:54] Boroondas Gupte goes and checks if there are even localized versions of the drivers
[15:55] Wyn Galbraith: Messages are usually in separate files for translation and folded in.
[15:55] Wyn Galbraith: Well I shouldn't say usually.
[15:55] Rob Linden: :-P
[15:56] Aric Linden: Shall we move on?
[15:56] Goldvald Enoch: Yes please.
[15:56] Benja Kepler: yes
[15:56] Aric Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-375
[15:56] Aric Linden: Rob, you having DSL probs?
[15:56] Rob Linden: apparently
[15:56] Rob Linden: not sure what's up
[15:57] Saijanai Kuhn: I vote for that one.
[15:57] Wyn Galbraith doesn't have a Mac.
[15:57] Boroondas Gupte gives up on navigating the ATi page while in SL
[15:57] Goldvald Enoch: I'm guessing different setup.
[15:57] Saijanai Kuhn: its apparently related to the opengl threading on the mac
[15:57] Daedalus Young: I have an Intel Mac, it's fine here
[15:57] Goldvald Enoch: O
[15:57] Goldvald Enoch: I
[15:57] Saijanai Kuhn: shows up in laggy zones
[15:57] Goldvald Enoch: I've seen SL run like a dream on a power pc.
[15:57] Aric Linden: Please give Saijanai a gold star
[15:58] Wyn Galbraith: Oximoron? Intel Mac?
[15:58] Aric Linden: cuz I bet he's right
[15:58] Benja Kepler: Oxymoron
[15:58] Goldvald Enoch: power pc != intel.
[15:58] Wyn Galbraith facepalms. "Not a good spelling day..."
[15:58] Aric Linden: Rob, please import this and assign it to me.
[15:58] Saijanai Kuhn: all new macs (for over a year?) are based on intel chips and are Windows compatible
[15:59] Aric Linden: I'll pass it along to the mac folks. Poppy and I are working the OpenGL issues with them
[15:59] Wyn Galbraith: Really? Using MacOS? I should look into those.
[15:59] Goldvald Enoch: I don't think this bug is really platform related.
[15:59] Benja Kepler: gosh, those 2 guys called Steve must be doing ok
[15:59] Aric Linden: you can run both macos and windows on them
[15:59] Goldvald Enoch: I also expirience typing getting slow sometimes.
[15:59] Aric Linden: on a mac?
[15:59] Goldvald Enoch: But its because I change settings.
[15:59] Rob Linden: could someone give me a notecard with the last 15 minutes on it?
[15:59] Goldvald Enoch: No, on a 64-bit gnu/Linux box.
[15:59] Daedalus Young: true, but I don't want to waste my precious iMac with Windoze
[15:59] Saijanai Kuhn: or in parallels with WIndows in its own window running 95% native speed
[16:00] Aric Linden: Rob, I will.
[16:00] Aric Linden: you didn't miss much. we're on https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-375
[16:00] Rob Linden: thanks
[16:00] Goldvald Enoch: I think if the graphics card is overloaded or something .. typing may be slow... or maybe its the network setting, I am not sure.
[16:00] Aric Linden: and I'd like to import it and have it assigned to me.
[16:00] Rob Linden: got it
[16:01] Aric Linden: Sometimes it's just lag in the network or high concurrency, Goldvald
[16:01] Goldvald Enoch: Yeah .. but if I change the settings, it gets better.
[16:01] Saijanai Kuhn: A comment: I see SL laggyness sometimes slow text input in other Mac apps when they are in front of SL
[16:02] Aric Linden: What do you mean, Saijanai?
[16:02] Wyn Galbraith: That sounds like an OS issue.
[16:02] Saijanai Kuhn: even after switching to another app, the responsiveness of teh Mac can remain slow.
[16:02] Aric Linden: That's memory.
[16:03] Saijanai Kuhn: might be 3.5 GB now. Don't recall if I had that when I saw the issue though
[16:03] Wyn Galbraith: Built in memory leak for Macs jk.
[16:03] Aric Linden: I think we'll call it a day folks. it's after 4
[16:03] Benja Kepler: ok! g'night all
[16:03] Aric Linden: Thanks for attending and your interest. We appreciate it.
[16:03] Saijanai Kuhn: laters
[16:03] Turtle: Yeah, bye...
[16:03] Goldvald Enoch: Good night.
[16:03] Squirrel Wood: thanks for listening to our opinions and suggestions ^^