Bug triage/2008-08-27/Transcript

Agenda

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[14:58] McCabe Maxsted: one riding the other?
[15:00] Bridie Linden: How's everyone's week going?
[15:00] Bridie Linden: Welcome Zen
[15:00] Cummere Mayo: sel come sit over here
[15:00] Alexa Linden: hey Zen :D
[15:00] Bridie Linden: Have a seat Selena :)
[15:00] McCabe Maxsted: pretty good :)
[15:00] Zen Linden: heya
[15:00] Alexa Linden: WB Gellan
[15:01] Gellan Glenelg: ty
[15:01] Cummere Mayo: sels crashed
[15:01] Cummere Mayo: blames zen
[15:01] Bridie Linden: oh no
[15:02] Zen Linden: oh noes!
[15:02] Bridie Linden: Some additions to the agenda, thx folks
[15:02] Bridie Linden: [1]
[15:02] Zen Linden: yes, i am the reason all of you crash. BWAHAHAHA
[15:02] Alexa Linden: WB selena
[15:02] Bridie Linden: We knew it Zen!
[15:02] Cummere Mayo: yes please lead the agenda. and if you had it open more then 10 minutes please refresh
[15:02] Bridie Linden: wb selena, hiya Ellla
[15:02] Bridie Linden: Welcome Norritt, Opensource
[15:02] Cummere Mayo: sel im behind you
[15:03] Selena Beale: thank you.. let me rez some
[15:03] norritt Xi: Hi everyone =)
[15:03] Cummere Mayo: theres a chair beside me
[15:03] Alexa Linden: Hey Ellla< Norritt and Open :D
[15:03] Bridie Linden: [2]
[15:03] McCabe Maxsted: shakes a fist at zen's ARC of 1. You're making our viewers run too fast!
[15:03] Opensource Obscure: hi all
[15:03] Ellla McMahon: hello Alexa, Bridie .. Everyone :))
[15:03] Shibari Twine: lol
[15:03] Selena Beale: yeah.. it's not rezing..
[15:03] Bridie Linden: we'll start things off with Public Nightly issues (1.21) and then go into 1.20 Release issues...
[15:03] McCabe Maxsted: rubs paws together
[15:03] Bridie Linden: First up...
[15:03] Bridie Linden: VWR-8605[c
[15:04] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8605
[15:04] Gellan Glenelg: as harleen says, I suspect this is due to https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8606 (the coordinates are missing)
[15:05] Bridie Linden: is looking
[15:05] Bridie Linden: nods
[15:06] norritt Xi: I had that problem as well I rememmber
[15:06] norritt Xi: -m
[15:06] Cummere Mayo: so link as possible cause?
[15:06] Bridie Linden: Let's wait on importing 8605 then
[15:06] Alexa Linden: ok
[15:06] Object: Glod: Sarts for all!
[15:06] Harleen Gretzky: Import 8606 instead?
[15:06] Bridie Linden: grins
[15:06] Object: No: more Glod Sarts for you!
[15:06] Cummere Mayo: lol
[15:06] Object: Glod: Sarts for all!
[15:06] Bridie Linden: 8606 is imported
[15:07] Harleen Gretzky: ahh
[15:07] Bridie Linden: Next up
[15:07] Bridie Linden: # VWR-8513[c
[15:07] Bridie Linden: squints @ McCabe
[15:07] Zen Linden: lol
[15:07] Bridie Linden: j/k
[15:07] Alexa Linden: lol
[15:07] Cummere Mayo: 8606 is imported harleen lol
[15:07] norritt Xi: How about hanging the color?
[15:07] norritt Xi: *changing
[15:07] Selena Beale: well.. let's see.. change it?
[15:07] Alexa Linden: I like hanging better
[15:07] Gellan Glenelg: If it's user-configuarable, I don't see the point of changing the default
[15:07] norritt Xi: LOL
[15:07] Selena Beale: yeah.. both are good ideas..
[15:07] McCabe Maxsted: this is a problem with orange object chat and the new blue chat; the default colors are too dark. Dark text on a dark background = not ftw
[15:07] Cummere Mayo: giggles probably should be feature request
[15:08] Object: No: more Glod Sarts for you!
[15:08] norritt Xi: Yeah I got a new keyboard three days ago I need some time to get used to it =)
[15:08] McCabe Maxsted: eh, good defaults are important
[15:08] norritt Xi: So sorry in advance for the typos
[15:08] Bridie Linden: np norritt
[15:08] Cummere Mayo: nto arguing with that mccabe. but i think import as feature request...
[15:08] Zen Linden: good defaults are important, but yeah, this is a feature request
[15:08] Bridie Linden: agreed...
[15:08] Shibari Twine: I like the orange but hate the blue, but why change the defaults. Feature request though
[15:08] McCabe Maxsted: you can really see it when you open the chat history in the classic skin
[15:08] Bridie Linden: shall we see if it gains more votes?
[15:09] Bridie Linden: I can ask someone from Rx to weigh in...
[15:09] Alexa Linden: ok
[15:09] Nya Linden: sounds good.
[15:09] Selena Beale: Well.. they could just change it?
[15:09] Bridie Linden: Cool.
[15:09] Bridie Linden: I couldn't repro next one...
[15:09] Cummere Mayo: i had to change it. I coudlnt SEE the oarnge in half the rp sims i played in
[15:09] Bridie Linden: VWR-8772[c
[15:09] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8772
[15:10] norritt Xi: Hi Garn!
[15:10] Shibari Twine: I tried just before coming and could still repo, it took 6 clicks
[15:10] Shibari Twine: then missed two
[15:10] Bridie Linden: lemme try again
[15:10] Bridie Linden: Hiya Garn!
[15:10] Garn Conover: hewwo!
[15:10] Garn Conover: what # we @?
[15:10] Cummere Mayo: 8772 garn
[15:10] Bridie Linden: ah, just repro'd!
[15:11] Shibari Twine: good
[15:11] Bridie Linden: Thx for tips McCabe + Shibari
[15:11] Object: Glod: Sarts for all!
[15:11] McCabe Maxsted: repro doesn't seem consistent but it'st here
[15:11] Bridie Linden: Import, please
[15:11] Alexa Linden: k
[15:11] Cummere Mayo: as mccabe said. i get it too intermittantly
[15:11] Object: No: more Glod Sarts for you!
[15:11] Gellan Glenelg: I'm wondering if it'sa problem with that floater, or a general problem with missing mouse clicks
[15:11] Cummere Mayo: hiya mina
[15:11] Bridie Linden: Good question Gellan...
[15:11] Shibari Twine: be nice if it stomps the missing clicks
[15:12] Bridie Linden: VWR-8577 has been imported
[15:12] Gellan Glenelg: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8577 is what we observed on aditi - missing mouse clicks all over the place after the lsl touch functions were added
[15:12] Minakothegothicgeisha Kamachi: Hello Cummere-chan.
[15:12] Bridie Linden: hmm, but we appear not to have been able to repro internally..
[15:13] Bridie Linden: Alexa, let's be sure to link these 2 up
[15:13] Alexa Linden: ok
[15:13] Gellan Glenelg: odd, cos Vektor was complaining about it, a lot
[15:13] Bridie Linden: But not sure if the 2 are related...
[15:13] Cummere Mayo: allot of the bugs ive seen in the 1.21 dont repo consistantly... its goign to make it hard to find them. they repo intermittantly *shrugs*
[15:14] Bridie Linden: We're on 1.24 here...
[15:14] Zen Linden: server that is
[15:14] Zen Linden: :)
[15:14] Bridie Linden: yes
[15:14] Bridie Linden: thx Zen
[15:14] Cummere Mayo: I say link, but import this one as well...
[15:14] Bridie Linden: yup
[15:14] Selena Beale: THat would be a good idea, since you were able to repo it here.. right?
[15:15] Bridie Linden: Moving right along...
[15:15] Bridie Linden: and just in case I haven't said it before, many thx to our BSI folks reporting issues
[15:15] Bridie Linden: VWR-8516[c
[15:15] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8516
[15:16] Bridie Linden: Didn't someone mention that text was now wrapping for him/her now?
[15:16] Shibari Twine: is that jpg in the report an XP "feature" as the mac looks the same as it always has, none of the per line shading
[15:16] Selena Beale: Yes, it does wrap now
[15:16] Gellan Glenelg: that was me, bridie
[15:16] Cummere Mayo: it does wrap usually now
[15:16] Bridie Linden: Wrapping too early or ok?
[15:16] Gellan Glenelg: still a problem for you mccabe?
[15:17] Harleen Gretzky: The Restore Down bug causes it to wrap early until you reset your settings file
[15:17] Bridie Linden: looks @ McCabe
[15:17] Harleen Gretzky: TO me it just looks like ConsoleBackgroundOpacity is defaulting too high
[15:17] McCabe Maxsted: I'd resolve as wont' finish
[15:17] McCabe Maxsted: the default chat background was changed to be darker in 1.21 which was causing huds to be unreadable on teh right when a lot of chat was scrolling; it's not much ofa problem now that the chat area has been reverted
[15:18] Shibari Twine: that didnt wrap
[15:18] Alexa Linden: lol
[15:18] Cummere Mayo: nope didnt wrap for me either
[15:18] Selena Beale: It is fixed now?
[15:18] Bridie Linden: which build are you using?
[15:19] Bridie Linden: McCabe reproted with 1.21.0.93713
[15:19] Cummere Mayo: (94985)
[15:19] Shibari Twine: is on Mac 1.21.0 (94985)
[15:19] McCabe Maxsted: hehe well less broken than before; unless you're on a widescreen rounded_square.tga will cover whatever hud you have on the right
[15:19] McCabe Maxsted: the issue was when the transparency was chagned to one too dark
[15:20] McCabe Maxsted: (rounded_square.tga is the background of the chat text inworld, btw)
[15:20] Selena Beale: That is good to know *nods* hmm...
[15:20] Alexa Linden: smiles at Panda McCabe
[15:20] Bridie Linden: So how'd it look to you Cummere?
[15:21] Cummere Mayo: honestly please import this. I dodnt usually have a hud on that slot but when i do it still soemtimes gets covered
[15:21] Cummere Mayo: its bad enough i cant see the one on the lower left at all without the box open
[15:21] Alexa Linden: rx?
[15:21] Garn Conover: my radars on top because it was always getting covered
[15:21] Simon Kline: it didn't wrap for me on the nightly viewer but remember it being fine on 1.20
[15:21] Selena Beale: uses chat boxes anyway and is use to moving things around
[15:21] Bridie Linden: Could someone add some more screen shots first?
[15:22] Bridie Linden: +1 Selena ;)
[15:22] Bridie Linden: Let's keep moving
[15:22] Cummere Mayo: ok if i find soem mythological free time, ill add antoehr screen
[15:22] Simon Kline: this is some long text to se can get a screenshot of how it doesn't wrap anymore!! this is some long text to se can get a screenshot of how it doesn't wrap anymore!! this is some long text to se can get a screenshot of how it doesn't wrap anymore!! this is some long text to se can get a screenshot of how it doesn't wrap anymore!!
[15:22] Bridie Linden: The next one has been imported and will be fixed in later build...
[15:23] Bridie Linden: Nice Simon!
[15:23] norritt Xi: e
[15:23] Alexa Linden: lol
[15:23] Simon Kline: (sorry) heh
[15:23] Bridie Linden: np
[15:23] Bridie Linden: next up
[15:23] Garn Conover: lol Simon
[15:23] Bridie Linden: VWR-8742[c
[15:23] Selena Beale: giggles "Umm.. why? make them smaller, then move them around, love keeping my mouse moving anyways"
[15:23] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8742
[15:23] Cummere Mayo: blinks "i didnt see a dev on that when i added it..."
[15:24] Bridie Linden: Np
[15:24] Gellan Glenelg: I can't repro this :( not sure if it's any use to see the action / crash log. if so, import
[15:24] McCabe Maxsted: another hard to repro one :/
[15:24] Bridie Linden: Yeah...
[15:24] Cummere Mayo: hard to repo and intermitant but i swear this is there
[15:24] norritt Xi: Yeah it is hard to repro but I had the Public Nightly crashing several times on clicking an URL too recently
[15:24] Bridie Linden: I think we should keep this one open...see if others can repro before we import
[15:24] Bridie Linden: I'll add myself as a watcher
[15:25] Cummere Mayo: norrit will you comment on that one please?
[15:25] norritt Xi: So I can tell as well that it is there.
[15:25] Alexa Linden: I'll mark with the traiged date
[15:25] Alexa Linden: triaged*
[15:25] Bridie Linden: Thx
[15:25] Object: Glod: Sarts for all!
[15:25] Harleen Gretzky: Restore Down bug that causes your chat to wrap early: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1279
[15:25] Object: No: more Glod Sarts for you!
[15:25] Object: Glod: Sarts for all!
[15:25] Object: No: more Glod Sarts for you!
[15:25] Alexa Linden: that thing hords sarts :(
[15:25] norritt Xi: I can do but I can't provide much more information then what has already been stated
[15:25] Bridie Linden: Thx Harleen
[15:25] Bridie Linden: norritt are you on Windows?
[15:26] norritt Xi: Yes Xp Sp2
[15:26] Garn Conover: Harleen
[15:26] Bridie Linden: kk
[15:26] Garn Conover: im on the RC .14 and that bug has stopepd for me as of last week
[15:26] Bridie Linden: Next up
[15:26] Bridie Linden: VWR-8784[c
[15:26] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8784
[15:27] DreamE Dreamscape: I'm on a Imac too, 6 months new, the only issue I had was resolved 2 months back and that was when uploading a photo the SL client would crash
[15:27] norritt Xi: Okay if we cut the advertising out the statement is " Client crashing in hight load environments"
[15:27] Simon Kline: i crashed earlier when more than 10 ppl turned up here.. but logged in ok again
[15:27] Gellan Glenelg: ask for a crash report?
[15:27] Zen Linden: Hmmm...
[15:27] Cummere Mayo: pretty much
[15:27] norritt Xi: I think that could be related to your "Change view and flight direction quickly" crash Cummere?
[15:27] Bridie Linden: Yeah...
[15:27] Cummere Mayo: I cannot play cola in the currant nightly .... it wont stay on
[15:27] Bridie Linden: link?
[15:28] Cummere Mayo: very possibly
[15:28] norritt Xi: Basically the problem seems to occur when the client can't catch up with the calculations any more
[15:28] Bridie Linden: feels like that sometimes ;)
[15:28] Cummere Mayo: which for some reasonson seems to occur sooner now then before
[15:28] norritt Xi: I'm on a Q6700 here and I couldn't repro these crashes
[15:28] Zen Linden: hmm... takes 2.5/3 hrs?
[15:29] norritt Xi: Prolly because I just can't produce enough load here
[15:29] Zen Linden: ooh 5 min
[15:29] Zen Linden: at hair fair
[15:29] Alexa Linden: hahahahaha
[15:29] Cummere Mayo: 2.5 hours is how long he can run same place with the .20
[15:29] norritt Xi: Yeah Hair Fair must have been a mess
[15:29] McCabe Maxsted: 1.21 crashing after 3 or so is fairly normal...
[15:29] Bridie Linden: Let's see if others can repro this one...
[15:29] Ellla McMahon: updated comment on that issue .. please refresh
[15:29] Alexa Linden: ya but I saw someone there with a 12K ARC rating O.o
[15:29] norritt Xi: My girlfriend was there and finally they asked visitors to undress to reduce the lag XD
[15:29] Cummere Mayo: in low load envrionments i can run .21 almost indefinately
[15:29] Prospero Linden: niiiice
[15:30] Zen Linden: i'm leaning towards importing and having qa see if they can repro on an 8600.
[15:30] Cummere Mayo: in highload 5-30 min 30 if im VERY lucky
[15:30] Bridie Linden: Hi Prospero!
[15:30] Zen Linden: Cogs might be able to help with that
[15:30] Alexa Linden: ok
[15:30] Prospero Linden: Hey -- thought I'd drop by and lurk :)
[15:30] Zen Linden: hey Prospero!
[15:30] Alexa Linden: I'll import then?
[15:30] Zen Linden: yeah
[15:30] Alexa Linden: assign to........
[15:30] Cummere Mayo: lurk away
[15:30] Bridie Linden: Sure, QA Team
[15:30] Garn Conover: pounces and facewashes Prospero
[15:30] Zen Linden: see if cogs is interested
[15:30] Alexa Linden: k
[15:30] Zen Linden: he helped with one of these types before
[15:30] Bridie Linden: Thx
[15:31] Bridie Linden: takes it as a good sign that Prospero Linden has shown up...
[15:31] Cummere Mayo: sorry for trumping the .20 but it seemed lie .21 was building up allot of bugs and yall want rc0 out soon
[15:31] McCabe Maxsted: possibly related to https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8340 too?
[15:31] Cummere Mayo: *like
[15:32] Bridie Linden: Possibly McCabe...
[15:32] Zen Linden: well, we're going to see a LOT of crashes with gl debugging turned on for now
[15:32] Bridie Linden: link?
[15:32] Bridie Linden: Con't Zen!
[15:32] Harleen Gretzky: had to turn of GL debugging to even use 1.21
[15:32] Shibari Twine: I've had one crash in two days heavy use :/
[15:33] Cummere Mayo: I'll try turning it off to see if that helps let me add myslef as a watcher to that issue
[15:33] Bridie Linden: BTW, next one is already imported and will be addressed in future build
[15:33] Bridie Linden: (#
# VWR-8738[c] Votes: 1: - Crash when Advanced->Rendering->Info Displays-> Show Depth Buffer selected - Opensource Obscure )
[15:33] Zen Linden: hehe. We've been getting some REALLY good crash stacks from doing it though
[15:33] Bridie Linden: Zen did you want to say anything further about the process...
[15:34] Cummere Mayo: hmmm I couldnt find that in my menu
[15:34] Cummere Mayo: still cant
[15:34] Garn Conover: brb
[15:34] Zen Linden: basically it crashes when gl gets wonky instead of recovering. We're hoping to find more places where
[15:34] Harleen Gretzky: In [3] Ramzi explains how to turn it off
[15:34] Opensource Obscure: Show Depth Buffer has been removed in last release if i'm right
[15:34] Zen Linden: we're using GL incorrectly
[15:35] Shibari Twine: I read it was removed too
[15:35] Zen Linden: it's arguably one of the best things we're getting from BSI right now
[15:35] Zen Linden: but yeah, you crash more with it on
[15:35] Bridie Linden: So we can expect a little more (intentional) crashiness in 1.21 RC0 when it's available?
[15:35] Zen Linden: but the info is invaluable to us
[15:35] Zen Linden: yep
[15:35] McCabe Maxsted: always suspected there was some sort of crashing conspiracy going on! ;)
[15:35] Cummere Mayo: then um i vote clsoe, wont complete?
[15:35] norritt Xi: Well I crash at once with that
[15:35] norritt Xi: Takes about 2 minutes and I'm gone
[15:35] Zen Linden: hahah
[15:35] DreamE Dreamscape: courtsies, waves and sneaks off, smiles
[15:35] norritt Xi: Every time
[15:35] Shibari Twine: As it's been removed I vote close too
[15:36] Opensource Obscure: closed , resolved
[15:36] Zen Linden: you're welcome to turn it off, but those crashes are gold for us
[15:36] Cummere Mayo: ill live with it I jsut wotn play in cola with it lol
[15:36] norritt Xi: OKay tell me how many you need multiply with 2 and then you now in how many minutes I'm finished delivering those reports ;)
[15:36] Bridie Linden: Thx Opensource
[15:36] Opensource Obscure: =)
[15:36] Alexa Linden: :)
[15:37] Bridie Linden: Shall we see what issue are in the 1.20 pile?
[15:37] Cummere Mayo: lol norritt
[15:37] norritt Xi: BTW I found a bug in the mono software this week I think dunno if this is of any interest for you
[15:37] Bridie Linden: ?
[15:37] Bridie Linden: wb Garn
[15:37] Prospero Linden: norritt, what is it?
[15:37] Garn Conover: test
[15:37] norritt Xi: Just wanted to mention I'm in touch with a novell developer to fix it
[15:37] Garn Conover: nope wth
[15:38] Prospero Linden: Oh, you mean in *Mono*, not in the SL mono implementation
[15:38] Bridie Linden: oh!
[15:38] norritt Xi: Well I wrote a ultralightweight client for SL using libopenmv and it crashes after constant time
[15:38] norritt Xi: Yes
[15:38] Bridie Linden: :O
[15:38] Garn Conover: uuug old UI.. must have Retro Dazzle!
[15:38] norritt Xi: The Mono software itself
[15:38] Bridie Linden: Cool norritt
[15:38] norritt Xi: The crash is perfectly reproducable
[15:39] Bridie Linden: Crashes your client?
[15:39] norritt Xi: After 1 - 1,5 hour running the program perfectly fine I get this - always:
[15:39] norritt Xi: Unhandled Exception: System.ExecutionEngineException: Couldn't create thread
at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Object:__icall_wrapper_mono_delegate_begin_invoke (object,intptr)
at (wrapper delegate-begin-invoke) System.MulticastDelegate:begin_invoke_IAsyncResult_object_AsyncCallback_object (object,System.AsyncCallback,object)
at System.Threading.ThreadPool.QueueUserWorkItem (System.Threading.WaitCallback callback, System.Object state) [0x00000]]
at OpenMetaverse.PacketEventDictionary.BeginRaiseEvent (PacketType packetType, OpenMetaverse.Packets.Packet packet, OpenMetaverse.Simulator simulator) [0x00000]]
at OpenMetaverse.NetworkManager.IncomingPacketHandler () [0x00000]]
[15:39] norritt Xi: Yes it does
[15:39] norritt Xi: And I should remark it doesn't crash when I run the App under .NET
[15:39] Bridie Linden: i see
[15:40] Bridie Linden: Moving back to the agenda...(but thx for interesting sidebar norritt)
[15:40] Bridie Linden: VWR-8775[c
[15:40] Prospero Linden: Hrm... are you sure it's a Mono bug per se, and not a SL client bug that for whatever reason .NET is insensitive to?
[15:40] norritt Xi: Wanted to mention because it might be interesting together with the mono introduction
[15:40] Minakothegothicgeisha Kamachi: excuse me all i have a class to attend. be well and good luck
[15:40] McCabe Maxsted: hehe, another report for you zen...
[15:40] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8775
[15:40] Cummere Mayo: tc mina thx for coming
[15:40] Shibari Twine: I've not seen it, and I looked at 4000M
[15:40] norritt Xi: I'm not yet 100 percent sure but everything indicates to a Mono bug, I also posted this in the libopenmv JIRA
[15:41] Zen Linden: hmmm, vwr-8775 - anyone else easily repro it?
[15:41] norritt Xi: I'm in contact with a Novel developer he promised to debug that issue for me next week
[15:41] Gellan Glenelg: I see the "jiggle" but not any deformation... but it looks like a camera movement, rather than prim movement, to me
[15:41] Bridie Linden: I didn't try to repro
[15:41] Cummere Mayo: we need system info
[15:41] Harleen Gretzky: Did not repro for me
[15:42] Bridie Linden: let's get system info
[15:42] Garn Conover: thats one weird ass bug
[15:42] Zen Linden: yup
[15:42] Bridie Linden: lol
[15:42] Alexa Linden: k
[15:42] Bridie Linden: McCabe has been busy!
[15:42] Bridie Linden: Next up
[15:42] Bridie Linden: VWR-8773[c
[15:42] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8773
[15:42] Shibari Twine: mm, please import is my vote
[15:42] Bridie Linden: [4]
[15:43] Bridie Linden: [5]
[15:43] Bridie Linden: [6]
[15:43] Shibari Twine: [7] should be a new page
[15:43] Bridie Linden: None are working for me atm
[15:43] Garn Conover: oh weird
[15:43] Bridie Linden: [8]
[15:43] norritt Xi: Yes definitly repros
[15:44] Cummere Mayo: i think its repoing nicely
[15:44] Cummere Mayo: and consistantly
[15:44] Bridie Linden: do all of the URLs work for others?
[15:44] Bridie Linden: er, any?
[15:44] Gellan Glenelg: there's another crash report for you :)
[15:44] McCabe Maxsted: ooh this one. No, all the urls are broken. The JIRA working one is a fluke
[15:44] Cummere Mayo: eveyrone with a ) broke for me
[15:44] norritt Xi: Yes those without the parenthis do
[15:44] Zen Linden: hehe
[15:44] Bridie Linden: x(
[15:44] Nya Linden: same - the paren kills it.
[15:44] Bridie Linden: none for me
[15:44] Bridie Linden: let's import
[15:45] McCabe Maxsted: is just crash report happy today, yeesh
[15:45] Cummere Mayo: fine by me
[15:45] Alexa Linden: ok
[15:45] Alexa Linden: importing
[15:45] Bridie Linden: let's skip the nvidia one
[15:45] Garn Conover: hehe
[15:45] Bridie Linden: Next up
[15:45] Bridie Linden: # VWR-8597[c
[15:45] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8597
[15:45] Cummere Mayo: ok silly question i know
[15:45] Shibari Twine: this is a dupe of the mac freeze bug, long running isnt it?
[15:46] Cummere Mayo: but... wth doesnt ramzi import his own created jiras?
[15:46] norritt Xi: Well not for minutes here but the viewer has hiccups now and then
[15:46] Zen Linden: no, this one was a little different
[15:46] Zen Linden: we have a lot of these older mbps around the office
[15:46] Zen Linden: any lindens on an older mbp notice this too?
[15:46] Cummere Mayo: *her own
[15:46] Prospero Linden: older = ATI graphics card?
[15:47] norritt Xi: Usually minimizing it to the task bar and resizing it back solves that problem
[15:47] Zen Linden: yes
[15:47] norritt Xi: I'm on nVidia 9800 GTX here
[15:47] norritt Xi: I have that too
[15:47] Alexa Linden: ours go through the same process, a lot of times we need feedback too - see if others experience the same thing
[15:47] norritt Xi: Under Windows
[15:47] Bridie Linden: i have same card as reporter
[15:47] Zen Linden: the ATI Mobility 1600
[15:47] Shibari Twine: I have an ATI X1600 in my MBP and rarely stall unless my draw is up
[15:47] Zen Linden: ok, yeah, i hadn't noticed it on mine
[15:47] Bridie Linden: No freezes here
[15:47] Prospero Linden's: MBP has NVidia 8600M GT, used to get entire system freezes until he started turning qualities down, etc., to reduce heat.
[15:48] norritt Xi: Yes that's the Notebook chips
[15:48] Zen Linden: yeah, i'm suspecting heat for her
[15:48] Bridie Linden: nods
[15:48] norritt Xi: nVidia has borked that productline badly
[15:48] Bridie Linden: anything in 1.21 that could help, Zen?
[15:48] Zen Linden: not really
[15:48] Zen Linden: just low settings
[15:48] norritt Xi: They have many troubles with replacing burned gpus in notebooks now so nothing unusual
[15:48] Zen Linden: i'll add to the jira
[15:48] Zen Linden: and comment some more
[15:49] Bridie Linden: ty
[15:49] Prospero Linden: thinks we should publish a cookbook : "Cooking on your Mackbook Pro"
[15:49] Alexa Linden: lol
[15:49] Harleen Gretzky: lol
[15:49] Zen Linden: Seriously!
[15:49] Cummere Mayo: lol
[15:49] Zen Linden: it gets SO HOT!
[15:49] Bridie Linden: "Cooking Pastrami on your MacBook Pro"
[15:49] Ellla McMahon: its the 8600 card !
[15:49] Selena Beale: Don't they have one?
[15:49] Shibari Twine: O_O
[15:49] Bridie Linden: Seraph would help...
[15:49] Selena Beale: I'll need to look on Amazon later..
[15:49] Prospero Linden: has seen a cookbook for cooking on a car's engine block
[15:49] Cummere Mayo: um.... yeah hate to say it but apple lines in general are having troubles lately
[15:49] Alexa Linden: +1
[15:50] norritt Xi: OMG is it a Dried Fruit Dispenser? No its a Mac!
[15:50] Bridie Linden: Now I'm hungry...
[15:50] Zen Linden: the number of busted 8600M MBPs i've seen
[15:50] Cummere Mayo: anyone read about the newest imacs tendance to melt the hdd?
[15:50] Prospero Linden: Neuro Linden's mainboard has gone twice in the last 1.3 years
[15:50] Prospero Linden: niiiiiice
[15:50] Bridie Linden: Save oil costs this winter?
[15:50] Zen Linden: lolz
[15:50] McCabe Maxsted: hahaha
[15:50] Bridie Linden: grins
[15:50] Selena Beale: THat's what my laptop is good for..
[15:50] Bridie Linden: and Nya's too!
[15:50] Cummere Mayo: ok moving on?
[15:50] Bridie Linden: rubs hands together
[15:51] Bridie Linden: Next up
[15:51] Bridie Linden: VWR-8406[c
[15:51] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8406
[15:51] norritt Xi: Yeap Aplles can get hot in times -> [9]
[15:51] Selena Beale: Umm.. umm.. double the crashy goodness?
[15:51] Bridie Linden: is this more of a feature request?
[15:51] Cummere Mayo: happens very occasionally for me for all.20 windows versions
[15:52] Cummere Mayo: no its a bug bridie
[15:52] norritt Xi: I didn't realize that double dialog problem yet
[15:52] Bridie Linden: Or change pref?
[15:52] Cummere Mayo: soemtimes even after sending the crash report .20 's crashlogger forgets to delete the file
[15:52] norritt Xi: But I also checked "Send automatically" so that might be the reason....
[15:52] norritt Xi: Though the first time you are asked and IIRC I only got one dialog then
[15:52] Cummere Mayo: or add the file
[15:53] Bridie Linden: Me too Norritt
[15:53] Cummere Mayo: whichever tells sl the crashlogger ran
[15:53] Selena Beale: Yeah.. that may be built in.. or something.. asking if you want to send it..
[15:53] Bridie Linden: Hmm, maybe i'll change my preference to see...
[15:54] Bridie Linden: I'd vote for leaving this one open for now
[15:54] Cummere Mayo: to me its a very very occasional thing
[15:54] Bridie Linden: One more today?
[15:54] Bridie Linden: # VWR-8411[c
[15:54] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8411
[15:55] Gellan Glenelg: did antialiasing get disabled?
[15:55] norritt Xi: I think she's referring to the textures loading incredibly slowly in the recent releases
[15:55] Bridie Linden: Strange
[15:55] norritt Xi: That makes stuff look blurry for quite some time before it sharpens
[15:55] Selena Beale: has happened to me too..
[15:56] Selena Beale: But.. umm.. just hte images
[15:56] Bridie Linden: '~ confirmed right glasses prescription - *sigh*
'
[15:56] Cummere Mayo: lol
[15:56] Selena Beale: Yeah, I don't wear glasses.. can't repo that step
[15:56] norritt Xi: I'm not sure what happend there I supected that it might have to do with some changes that have been don to the client texture cache management maybe?
[15:56] Garn Conover: lol nice!
[15:56] Selena Beale: But.. really.. I think it's only a small thing..
[15:56] Nya Linden: hmm.. we did some comparison testing on textures and they seem to be loading at the same rate between 1.20 and 1.21.
[15:56] Cummere Mayo: honestly ild import
[15:57] norritt Xi: Yes but try to compare with 1.19
[15:57] Zen Linden: i'm looking at the images...
[15:57] Cummere Mayo: I also would up the priority a bit
[15:57] Bridie Linden: Well, this was reported in July
[15:57] norritt Xi: 1.20 was already slow
[15:57] Cummere Mayo: 1.21 slower
[15:57] McCabe Maxsted: can someone attach these as screenshots too?
[15:57] Cummere Mayo: ><
[15:57] Nya Linden: d'oh norrit - sorry! I meant 1.20 and 1.19.
[15:58] Nya Linden: We're still trying to track down where we can repro the slow texture loading. It may have something to do with lag..?
[15:58] Shibari Twine: just go shopping
[15:58] Garn Conover: try Kuula? we dont call it Kuulag for nothin
[15:58] Cummere Mayo: i think its all realted to the sim performance thing
[15:58] Cummere Mayo: srv 2708 i think
[15:58] Bridie Linden: Thoughts Zen?
[15:58] norritt Xi: Well it might also be related to the Assetserver walking on its last legs
[15:59] Cummere Mayo: but i think theres a viewer component to this too
[15:59] Zen Linden: I think she's refering to aa
[15:59] Zen Linden: anti-aliasing
[15:59] Bridie Linden: yeah
[15:59] Bridie Linden: Comment Zen? ask if it's still happening?
[15:59] Zen Linden: yeah, i'll comment
[16:00] Selena Beale: those legs covered in pink fishnet panty hose? *chuckles* Sorry..
[16:00] Bridie Linden: That brings us to 4pm folks

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