User:Enkidu Linden/Office Hours/2010-07-15

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[11:02] Enkidu Linden: hi there!
[11:02] Cummere Mayo: oh jeeze lol
[11:03] Cummere Mayo: ar eyou in god mode?
[11:03] Cummere Mayo: cuase i cant see you -_-
[11:04] Enkidu Linden: i am not
[11:04] Enkidu Linden: i see you though
[11:04] Cummere Mayo: oh then its jsut this stupid viewer again. anywyas this is the office hour for web issues right?
[11:05] Enkidu Linden: sort of. yes. but if it's not something i'm involved in, i won't be able to answer or help too much
[11:05] Enkidu Linden: but i will do my best!
[11:06] Enkidu Linden: was there something you wanted to discuss?
[11:06] Cummere Mayo: well, really i jsut want to bring something to someones attention, since um support is not working well, and live support um... were less then helpful
[11:06] Enkidu Linden: oh no!
[11:06] Cummere Mayo: starting last night, on some browsers for some users, live chat, support tickets, etc, arent proplerly loading
[11:07] Cummere Mayo: on firefox and other browsers. ie kinda works but yes, major issue,
[11:08] Robin Cornelius: Hey hows it going?
[11:08] Enkidu Linden: i think so too
[11:08] Enkidu Linden: hey robin, how are you?
[11:08] Enkidu Linden: one sec, i will see if i can find the people in charge of the support site
[11:08] Robin Cornelius: I'm good , got that media plugin finished and deployed i mentined a few weeks back
[11:09] Enkidu Linden: oh awesome!
[11:09] Robin Cornelius: had to use a mime hack from a php launch script to get the viewer to load the correct media plugin but its good
[11:09] Enkidu Linden: what was the problem?
[11:09] Enkidu Linden: ah
[11:09] Ghengis Linden: Hi all
[11:09] Enkidu Linden: hey ghengis
[11:09] Cummere Mayo: yay a linden i can see *giggles* hello ghengis :)
[11:09] Robin Cornelius: mostly the mime confusion and some silly ness on my part, i think i should open a jira so we can register media plugins via the URI schema eg VNC://
[11:10] Enkidu Linden: remind me what the plugin does? i remember the problem, but not what you were trying to build
[11:10] Robin Cornelius: its kind of limiting when all plugins requrie http:// to work then seperate themselves based on mime type
[11:10] Robin Cornelius: its a RealVNC plugin
[11:10] Robin Cornelius: its the real VNC core in a media plugin
[11:10] Enkidu Linden: wow
[11:11] Enkidu Linden: that's pretty awesome
[11:11] Robin Cornelius: Let me show you a photo of the results
[11:12] Enkidu Linden: yeah, please!
[11:12] Enkidu Linden: haha, that's so neat
[11:12] Xaria Mistwallow: o0o, new linden *pokes* =)
[11:12] Enkidu Linden: what will you do with it?
[11:13] Xaria Mistwallow: hi again enkidu=)
[11:13] Cummere Mayo: ghengis you have a bear?
[11:13] Ghengis Linden: no, sorry. I haven't made one yet
[11:13] Enkidu Linden: hi there
[11:13] Robin Cornelius: Its being used for a a training simulation, i can't say much more than that, hopefuly the full details can be published at some point
[11:13] Xaria Mistwallow: awww
[11:13] Cummere Mayo: thats okay *shrugs* would you like mine?
[11:14] Xaria Mistwallow: i can offer mine as well =)
[11:15] Ghengis Linden: sure
[11:15] Enkidu Linden: let me know when you have details you can share. i bet there are other lindens who would be very interested to see what you're doing
[11:17] Enkidu Linden: cummere, have you opened a jira about the support.secondlife.com problem?
[11:18] Cummere Mayo: nope. but give me 5 minutes when the jira will actually let me log in and there will be one
[11:18] Cummere MayoCummere Mayo kicks jira
[11:19] Enkidu Linden: cool. give me the jira # when you have it, and i'll find the developer for it
[11:19] Cummere Mayo: ooh abuse seems to work. I kick jira and it finally logs me in
[11:20] Robin Cornelius: jira had schedules maintainance today
[11:20] Robin Cornelius: my typing/spelling is dreadful
[11:21] Robin Cornelius: Enkidu, i will see if we can get some clearance on some of it, it would actually make a great blog post for uses of SL
[11:21] Enkidu Linden: that would be wonderful
[11:22] Enkidu Linden: so last week we spent quite a bit of time talking about problems with search
[11:22] Enkidu Linden: i don't think any of you were here last week, though
[11:23] Xaria Mistwallow: oh, before i forget, for people that are going to see Yoz's OH, do know that Grasmare sim can be a bitch this week, i got stuck there for 3 hours and needed to undress completely to get even out.
[11:23] Robin Cornelius: Not last week but i remember search topics on and off a few times
[11:23] Xaria Mistwallow: more sims are like that lately, but its siriously bad around that area
[11:24] Enkidu Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Enkidu_Linden/Office_Hours/2010-07-08
[11:24] Enkidu Linden: particularly the second half
[11:24] couch sit 1: llStopAnimation: Script trying to stop animations but agent not found
[11:24] Enkidu Linden: i forwrded the transcript to the search team, and they let me know that questions should be directed to jack's office hours, which unfortunately are at the same time as mine
[11:25] Xaria Mistwallow: your in luck, jack seems to be gone this week
[11:25] Xaria Mistwallow: think vacation
[11:25] Cummere Mayo: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-2451
[11:25] Live Chat and Support Ticket Frames not loading correctly in some viewers for many users
[11:26] Enkidu Linden: i suggested they hold some workshops on writing content fr the new search engine and they're considering that, i think
[11:26] Enkidu Linden: but i would also be happy to give it a shot once i learn more about it
[11:27] Xaria Mistwallow: we were discussing the search engine of SL wiki yesterday @ doc team OH
[11:27] Enkidu Linden: thanks cummere. i'll see if i can connect that jira to the right dev
[11:27] Xaria Mistwallow: also needs to change
[11:27] Cummere Mayo: sure :)
[11:28] Enkidu Linden: are you talking about the built in wiki search, or the google search appliance indexing of the wiki?
[11:28] Xaria Mistwallow: both
[11:28] Cummere Mayo: thank you enkidu, youve been more helpfyl then Shanon (?) ontyne whose solution was simply "well use IE"
[11:29] Xaria Mistwallow: if you search for a specific thing, you getting more logs then what you actually need
[11:29] Xaria Mistwallow: Jeremy agreed on that
[11:29] Enkidu Linden: oh
[11:29] Enkidu Linden: interesting
[11:29] Xaria Mistwallow: also
[11:29] Enkidu Linden: when i use the search box i end up in google custom search
[11:29] Xaria Mistwallow: another problem that more people seem to have
[11:30] Xaria Mistwallow: is that when you are looking for somethiing, lets say a specific name (profile) then the most will be okey
[11:30] Enkidu Linden: sorry, cummere, hopefully they just meant to do that in the meantime, while it's broken in firefox
[11:30] Xaria Mistwallow: but some have big problems even getting it in search at all
[11:31] Enkidu Linden: that seems strange since this is actually a google search
[11:31] Xaria Mistwallow: there were suggestions that it might be the server cache being borked, and needs to get cleared more often
[11:32] Xaria Mistwallow: but i fear that doesnt do the trick
[11:33] Xaria Mistwallow: it might solve a few smaller problems, but i think its deeper then just clearing the server cache
[11:33] Enkidu Linden: well, i can say from experience that caching on the wiki is not a very fun thing to deal with
[11:33] Xaria Mistwallow: true
[11:33] Enkidu Linden: that doesn't necessarily make it the culprit
[11:34] Xaria Mistwallow: didnt say it was :p
[11:34] Xaria Mistwallow: just saying it doesnt make every glitch like that go away
[11:34] Enkidu Linden: agree
[11:34] Xaria Mistwallow: i think there is a bug that does it, and not just the cache as suggested
[11:35] Xaria Mistwallow: the cache only collects temp data, and doesnt really do much more then that
[11:35] Xaria Mistwallow: so if the cache coughed a bug, then it had to come from somewhere...
[11:35] Enkidu Linden: well, there's like forty different caches in mediawiki
[11:36] Enkidu Linden: super hard to figure out which cache is tripping things up
[11:36] Xaria Mistwallow: true
[11:36] Xaria Mistwallow: thats the hard part
[11:36] Enkidu Linden: but if you can figure out that part, the real problem is often something else
[11:36] Xaria Mistwallow: but it needs to be done
[11:36] Enkidu Linden: i can see that when i search for 'enkidu' i get some good results, followed by a whole bunch of wiki garbage
[11:36] Xaria Mistwallow: cant just keep it in and create a (small) brown bag moment
[11:37] Xaria Mistwallow: indeed
[11:37] Xaria Mistwallow: search for my main avi's name. dont tell in main, but just try and see
[11:37] Xaria Mistwallow: jeremy did find my profile
[11:37] Xaria Mistwallow: i dont
[11:37] Xaria Mistwallow: a few others dont either
[11:37] Xaria Mistwallow: i wonder what you find
[11:38] Enkidu Linden: perhaps we need better <meta> tags. it could be as simple as adding some noindex to certain kinds of pages
[11:38] Xaria Mistwallow: isnt that simple
[11:38] Xaria Mistwallow: if you type my full name, of my main av that is, with or without capitol letters
[11:38] Xaria Mistwallow: i simply only find junk
[11:39] Xaria Mistwallow: a lot of people have the same problem with their profiles
[11:39] Xaria Mistwallow: while lindens seem to be able to get them on first go
[11:39] Xaria Mistwallow: so there must be somewhere a flaw in between
[11:39] Enkidu Linden: ok, i just tried it
[11:39] Enkidu Linden: i see what you mean
[11:39] Xaria Mistwallow: result?
[11:39] Xaria Mistwallow: :)
[11:40] Enkidu Linden: i don't see your profile on the first page
[11:40] Xaria Mistwallow: when you try searching this avi's name
[11:40] Xaria Mistwallow: you do
[11:40] Xaria Mistwallow: while i am least on this one
[11:40] Enkidu Linden: i see that you attend many office hours!
[11:40] Xaria Mistwallow: or for that matter, less in the picture...
[11:40] Xaria Mistwallow: lol, yup
[11:40] Xaria Mistwallow: i attent pretty mucha ll
[11:40] Xaria Mistwallow: or used to at least untill a lot got booted
[11:41] Xaria Mistwallow: anyways, xaria you will find on first go
[11:41] Xaria Mistwallow: no problem
[11:41] Xaria Mistwallow: and strange thing is, its the same base!
[11:41] Xaria Mistwallow: I used my main avi's page to create xaria's page
[11:42] Xaria Mistwallow: she even has less info etc, less tags
[11:42] Xaria Mistwallow: so shouldnt be that fast to find it
[11:42] Xaria Mistwallow: hey kha
[11:42] Khamon Fate: hallo
[11:42] Xaria Mistwallow: wb omg
[11:42] Xaria Mistwallow: walk around
[11:42] Khamon Fate: I was stuck in the bamboo
[11:42] OMG Loll: hi
[11:42] Enkidu Linden: true, but google's pagerank is driven by link to pages
[11:43] OMG Loll: do u kno were to find woman
[11:43] OMG Loll: were you find
[11:43] Xaria Mistwallow: but anyways, i suggested to add in new type of tags and the search enige that can understand them
[11:43] Xaria Mistwallow: what do you mean omg?
[11:43] Enkidu Linden: a lot of these OH logs have your name in them, but don't link to you
[11:43] Xaria Mistwallow: you are looking for clothing?
[11:43] OMG Loll: no, womans
[11:43] Enkidu Linden: hi khamon, omg
[11:43] OMG Loll: Ah, actually I'm just trolling ya
[11:43] Xaria Mistwallow: well i was thinking of having more filtering
[11:44] OMG Loll: Someone actually showed up asking that once
[11:44] OMG Loll: You guys are so polite
[11:44] Enkidu Linden: :)
[11:44] Xaria Mistwallow: filtering like search on logs, profiles, etc
[11:44] Khamon FateKhamon Fate is trolling as well.
[11:44] Xaria Mistwallow: makes searching for things a lot easier
[11:45] Xaria Mistwallow: and faster for that matter
[11:45] Khamon Fate: What you y'all discuss in this hour?
[11:45] Enkidu Linden: web stuff
[11:45] OMG Loll: (this is Which's alt, btw, just popping in to screw with Enki)
[11:45] Xaria Mistwallow: which!!!!!
[11:45] Enkidu Linden: no way
[11:45] Xaria Mistwallow: wb!!!
[11:45] Enkidu Linden: GET OUT
[11:45] Xaria Mistwallow: too bad you getting fired
[11:46] OMG Loll: Yeah, good to see you all again!
[11:46] Khamon Fate: Web stuff like the SL web site?
[11:46] Enkidu Linden: sure!
[11:46] Xaria Mistwallow: as you can see, enk is keeping the chair warm. lol
[11:46] OMG Loll: I've heard it's nice and toasty!
[11:46] Enkidu Linden: as warm as this sea-dwelling invertabrate can muster
[11:46] Xaria Mistwallow: enk is doing perfect for that matter btw :p
[11:46] Enkidu Linden: haha
[11:47] Enkidu Linden: pwn!
[11:47] Xaria Mistwallow: (think yoz isnt showing today btw)
[11:47] OMG Loll: Lemme know if I sat on anyone, I can't see a thing
[11:48] Xaria Mistwallow: nope
[11:48] Xaria Mistwallow: only 3 are now sitting
[11:48] OMG Loll: Much easier to stand in this game
[11:48] Xaria Mistwallow: lol
[11:48] Xaria Mistwallow: lazyness
[11:48] Xaria Mistwallow: lol
[11:48] Enkidu Linden: let me see if i can find yoz
[11:48] Xaria Mistwallow: he seems to be offline
[11:49] Enkidu Linden: i don't see him around either
[11:49] Xaria Mistwallow: at least... thats what my viewer is saying
[11:49] Xaria Mistwallow: (imprudence viewer)
[11:49] OMG Loll: The Yoz is a regular here? That's rad, gotta keep up the Linden ratio in this hour
[11:49] Xaria Mistwallow: yoz linden
[11:49] Xaria Mistwallow: lol
[11:49] Xaria Mistwallow: blue is gone, zero is gone
[11:49] Xaria Mistwallow: scott is gone
[11:49] Enkidu Linden: yeah
[11:49] Xaria Mistwallow: and a lot of other vermilliar names
[11:50] Xaria Mistwallow: euhm...had a link for that somewhere...
[11:50] Enkidu Linden: yoz does his own OH that overlap with mine
[11:50] OMG Loll: ah I see
[11:50] Xaria Mistwallow: http://adz.secondlifekid.com/category/last-names/
[11:50] Enkidu Linden: what's up, which?
[11:50] Xaria Mistwallow: all lindens that either are new or left
[11:51] Cummere MayoCummere Mayo misses blue -_-
[11:51] Enkidu Linden: we have ten minutes left and you can tell us all about your new fun times
[11:51] Xaria Mistwallow: OMG.... Noob Linde
[11:51] Xaria Mistwallow: haha
[11:51] OMG Loll: Oh, well, I'm doing game development now
[11:51] OMG Loll: I feel like a noob at it, which was the intention
[11:51] Robin Cornelius: you need to be drinking more coffee if you want to look like your developing
[11:52] OMG Loll: Currently working on one project with a friend and starting up another, couldn't ask for more
[11:52] Enkidu Linden: that's cool, i hadn't realized you'd never worked with games before
[11:52] Xaria Mistwallow: im working on Fal Out 3, modding big style
[11:52] Xaria Mistwallow: adding new areas etc
[11:52] Xaria Mistwallow: and yes, it is in a way a little similar to SL, just a bit harder
[11:52] Enkidu Linden: i want to come up with a geolocation-based game
[11:53] Enkidu Linden: get off your butts, people!
[11:53] OMG Loll: Fun! I'm getting the idea that most games are not made from scratch at all nowadays and are mostly just putting content in existing game-making-engines
[11:53] OMG Loll: Of course I sit here building my own engines like a dope
[11:53] Cummere Mayo: from what i understand thats pretty much the case
[11:53] Xaria Mistwallow: i never really enjoyed payed stuff, rather make things myself
[11:54] OMG Loll: That also explains why games are so similar to each other: so expensive to go outside the engine box
[11:54] Xaria Mistwallow: or get freebies and mod them so far that they look like new
[11:54] OMG Loll: I.e. what's your geolocation game going to be built on enkidu?
[11:54] Enkidu Linden: hopes n' dreams
[11:54] Cummere Mayo: o.O
[11:54] Xaria Mistwallow: enk, could you enable the scripts please?
[11:55] Xaria Mistwallow: then ill show my latest work on this one
[11:55] Enkidu Linden: and all those delicious satellites
[11:55] Enkidu Linden: actually i saw this totally amazing demo the other day
[11:55] OMG Loll: My current "wouldn't that be cool" idea is to make an electrical engine, sorta like Havok
[11:56] OMG Loll: But with magnets
[11:56] Xaria Mistwallow: lol, euhm... little secret...
[11:56] Xaria Mistwallow: this is pretty much all freebie :p
[11:56] Xaria Mistwallow: only the head aint :p
[11:56] Xaria Mistwallow: mix those 2
[11:56] Xaria Mistwallow: and you get this
[11:57] Enkidu Linden: which, i can ike, almost picture that, but not quite
[11:57] Xaria Mistwallow: thats the orriginal btw...
[11:57] Xaria Mistwallow: that is for the jetpack
[11:57] Cummere Mayo: furry gundam suit o.O?
[11:57] Xaria Mistwallow: lol
[11:58] Xaria Mistwallow: no not even
[11:58] Xaria Mistwallow: its a mix of 2 armors
[11:58] Xaria Mistwallow: happened to get this look
[11:58] Enkidu Linden: i had at one point the freakiest combination of avatars
[11:58] Xaria Mistwallow: ctech armor and armortech
[11:58] Cummere Mayo: hmm intresting...
[11:58] Enkidu Linden: maybe i'll put it back together for you guys next week
[11:59] Xaria Mistwallow: anyone else want a copy?
[11:59] Xaria Mistwallow: of the orriginal...
[11:59] Enkidu Linden: anyway, the demo i saw was of a machine learning algo that turned a photo into a virtual space
[12:00] Enkidu Linden: would be pretty interesting to create a virtual environment using just a camera, don't you think?
[12:00] Xaria Mistwallow: there
[12:00] Cummere Mayo: been done actually
[12:00] OMG Loll: Yeah, that would be rad
[12:00] Enkidu Linden: combine that with geoloc and you could actually link up the virtual environments
[12:01] Derick Starkford: hey
[12:01] Enkidu Linden: hi there
[12:01] Xaria Mistwallow: hi derick and maryann
[12:01] Cummere Mayo: Enkidu, you should work withsome of the forensic programers then
[12:01] Derick Starkford: Thank you hello :)
[12:01] Xaria Mistwallow: lemme change back
[12:01] Derick Starkford: Trying to escape the lag in that help island place grrrr it is terrible over there
[12:02] Cummere Mayo: help island laggy?
[12:02] Cummere Mayo: NEVAH
[12:02] Maryann Badger: I still can't see
[12:02] Derick Starkford: very creative array of avatars
[12:02] Cummere Mayo: >.>
[12:02] Derick Starkford: hehe
[12:02] Cummere Mayo: lol this one isnt that creative. her base is locked.
[12:02] Cummere Mayo: actually, if LL ever offered the option to lock skin shape and eyes, i would do that for this avi
[12:03] Derick Starkford: lol, It's deffintely a unquie skin
[12:03] Enkidu Linden: well, everyone, it's about that time
[12:03] Cummere Mayo: now my otherone, has a few looks that are nearly all custum
[12:03] Xaria Mistwallow: okay.. why is there a blue prim flaoting past?
[12:03] OMG Loll: My 5-year-old laptop is about to die
[12:03] Xaria Mistwallow: it aint death yet? omg
[12:03] Derick Starkford: You sound like me with this machine
[12:04] Derick Starkford: It tends to have a mind of its own
[12:04] Cummere MayoCummere Mayo huggles omg. my 7 year old one died a few months ago. I cried and cried. it was better then anything in the same price range now
[12:04] Xaria Mistwallow: think you have a new friend enk ;)
[12:04] OMG Loll: I try to keep it low-key by running only firefox and irc on it
[12:05] Enkidu Linden: heh
[12:05] Xaria Mistwallow: lol
[12:05] OMG Loll: It is now telling me "how can you forsake me"
[12:05] Derick Starkford: I blew my last laptop the battery died during a bios upgrade silly me ah
[12:05] Xaria Mistwallow: lol
[12:05] Xaria Mistwallow: i managed to blow up a pc
[12:05] Cummere Mayo: sicne you use firefox, have you been seeing this lately?
[12:05] Derick Starkford: And there's no method of recovery other than the chip being replaced grrrrr
[12:06] Xaria Mistwallow: it went up in flames
[12:06] OMG Loll: That's a feat!
[12:06] Derick Starkford: o/
[12:06] Derick Starkford: |
[12:06] Derick Starkford: /
[12:06] Xaria Mistwallow: better use Chrome, OMG
[12:06] Cummere Mayo: and you did that without explosives xaria?
[12:06] Xaria Mistwallow: its less laggy
[12:06] Xaria Mistwallow: less problems as well
[12:06] Derick Starkford: I hope you made use of the fire and made some dinner :)
[12:07] Cummere Mayo: chrome wont run well on my windows 7 system
[12:07] OMG Loll: Well I'll catch you later Enkidu! On the internet!
[12:07] OMG Loll: Also, happy belated birthday
[12:07] Xaria Mistwallow: have fun which! was great to see you again!
[12:07] Enkidu Linden: aw shucks
[12:07] Enkidu Linden: thanks mate
[12:07] Derick Starkford: Enkidu i'm tempted to hug you
[12:07] Cummere Mayo: oh happy belated bday enkidu. ild ask how old, but then yould ask me the same question
[12:08] Enkidu Linden: we will ride intertubes
[12:08] Derick Starkford: please don't sting
[12:08] Derick Starkford: Huggies!
[12:08] Derick Starkford: ouch
[12:08] Xaria Mistwallow: lol
[12:08] Enkidu Linden: :)
[12:08] OMG Loll: :)
[12:08] Derick Starkford: vinegar please
[12:08] Maryann Badger: lol
[12:08] Xaria Mistwallow: think someone loves you enk ;)
[12:08] Xaria Mistwallow: haha
[12:08] Enkidu Linden: someone pee on that guy, quick!
[12:08] Maryann Badger: uh oh :)
[12:08] Cummere Mayo: that reminds me i gotta see what my roommate wants to do to celebrate tonight -_-
[12:08] Derick Starkford: Somebody mentioned Linden bears?
[12:08] Enkidu Linden: ok, i need to head out and eat some lunch
[12:09] Enkidu Linden: thanks for coming everyone
[12:09] Derick Starkford: May I ask for one please Enkidu?
[12:09] OMG Loll: l8r dudes
[12:09] Cummere Mayo: tc enkidu
[12:09] couch sit 1: llStopAnimation: Script trying to stop animations but agent not found
[12:09] Enkidu Linden: i don't have one yet!
[12:09] Xaria Mistwallow: im no linden, but i do have a bear to give. want it?
[12:09] Derick Starkford: Shucks a lazy linden
[12:09] Cummere Mayo: slacker! j/k
[12:09] Enkidu Linden: totally lazy
[12:09] Derick Starkford: :D
[12:09] Maryann Badger: I heard you bere all born with bears
[12:09] Enkidu Linden: it's half done
[12:09] Xaria Mistwallow: we keep prodding enk, but he seems to like that...
[12:09] Enkidu Linden: haha
[12:09] Enkidu Linden: ok, for real, i'm out of here
[12:10] Derick Starkford: take care
[12:10] Enkidu Linden: thanks guy. see you next week
[12:10] Xaria Mistwallow: thanks for having us enk!
[12:10] smile Calael: i am new
[12:10] Cummere MayoCummere Mayo shrugs. I know one lindend that didnt get thiers done till the day before they got handed the pink slip -_-
[12:10] Enkidu Linden: er, guys
[12:10] Xaria Mistwallow: see you next week!
[12:10] Maryann Badger: they build them?
[12:10] smile Calael: this is third time i coming at game

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