User:Jean Linden/OH Transcript May 7th 2008

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• [10:06] Jean Linden: okay so... ich habe gute Nachtricht und nicht so gute :P
• [10:06] Igel Hawks: Bei mir auch nicht
• [10:06] Frederike Rau: ich h;r euch auch gany schlecht ihr rauscht alle
• [10:07] Gunter Gustav: the bad first pls
• [10:07] Geister Pfeffer: erst die schlechte
• [10:07] Holger Gilruth: schlechte zuerst :)
• [10:07] Frederike Rau: hi mnoa
• [10:07] Frederike Rau: mona
• [10:07] Igel Hawks: Hi Zai
• [10:07] Monalisa Robbiani: zai:D
• [10:07] Frederike Rau: huhu zai
• [10:07] Albrecht Boucher: huhu zai
• [10:07] Zai Lynch: heya igel =) heya mona =) heya all
• [10:08] Igel Hawks: Ich schalte Voice wieder ab
• [10:08] Jean Linden: LOL - okay ich muss noch zwei ander Gruppe um die German Mentors Welcome Area fragen
• [10:08] Holger Gilruth: hey nachteule zai :)
• [10:08] Igel Hawks: Das ist der Horror heute
• [10:08] Monalisa Robbiani: welche 2 greuppen?
• [10:08] Zai Lynch: lacht
• [10:08] Jean Linden: ABER... you have the blessing from the VTeam
• [10:08] Monalisa Robbiani:  !!W0ot WoOt!!
• [10:08] Gunter Gustav: *~*~rofl*~*~
• [10:09] Frederik Yalin: hi zusammen
• [10:09] Frederike Rau: huhuu
• [10:09] Albrecht Boucher: huhu
• [10:09] Holger Gilruth: super
• [10:09] Swapps Swenson: Hai :)
• [10:09] Albrecht Boucher: fisch
• [10:09] Albrecht Boucher: hihi!
• [10:09] Jean Linden: so one down :D Ich dachte wir brauchen nur die, aber ich muss mehr... uhm... I need to get a couple more teams buy in
• [10:09] Holger Gilruth: das gibt chaos
• [10:09] Jean Linden: hoffentlich nicht
• [10:10] Frederike Rau: in welcher gruppe brauchst du mehr teams
• [10:10] Monalisa Robbiani: you mean more suggestions or more developer teams?
• [10:10] Swapps Swenson: do we have a special theme today ?
• [10:10] Holger Gilruth: ich hoffe nicht das es chaos gibt, ich bin aber fast davon ueberzeugt
• [10:10] Geister Pfeffer: lol
• [10:10] Jean Linden: no - I need to make sure I have support for this experiment internally from a couple other teams
• [10:11] Frederike Rau: Holger immer locker bleiben
• [10:11] Geister Pfeffer: what is your experiment , jean ?
• [10:11] Jean Linden: We have support from the VTeam so that is something
• [10:11] Gunter Gustav: err...concerning what ?
• [10:11] Zai Lynch: yes, blue might be a great help resource since he is an orientation island expert
• [10:11] Swapps Swenson: Vteam ? Stands for ?
• [10:12] Jean Linden: concerning the German Mentors Welcome Area
• [10:12] Zai Lynch: volunteer team
• [10:12] Igel Hawks: Volunteerteam
• [10:12] Gunter Gustav: ahh,k
• [10:12] Swapps Swenson: thx
• [10:12] Zai Lynch: yvw =)
• [10:12] Gunter Gustav: which is a future project, right ?
• [10:12] Igel Hawks: Das Team von LL, das für die Bolunteers zustndig ist
• [10:12] Monalisa Robbiani: which other teams would that be
• [10:13] Zai Lynch: maybe those dedicated to the "new users experience". dunno how their team is called tho...
• [10:14] Jean Linden: Monalisa - Concierge and Market Development
• [10:14] Monalisa Robbiani: sounds logical
• [10:14] Monalisa Robbiani: what do we need to prove:D
• [10:15] Holger Gilruth: these are all linden workers or?
• [10:15] Monalisa Robbiani: ofcourse
• [10:15] Jean Linden: well one of the primary things that I had to keep reinterating was that this is run by the mentors but it will be
• [10:15] Jean Linden: as inclusive of the rest of the community as possible
• [10:16] Holger Gilruth: thats not a bad news i think or?
• [10:16] Jean Linden: so if you all have any thoughts on how you hope to maintain that all-inclusiveness maybe? that would help
• [10:16] Geister Pfeffer: that was the bad news ?
• [10:16] Gunter Gustav: the big fish for the lindens :-) sure thing
• [10:16] Jean Linden: Holger - well I thought it was bad that I could not just say GO yet :)
• [10:17] Holger Gilruth: but help from professional linden employes is not bad its great
• [10:17] Monalisa Robbiani: the biggest part of the proposed layout will be open to the public
• [10:17] Jean Linden: will you have a system so community leaders could come to you for representation?
• [10:17] Monalisa Robbiani: both in providing help, and getting help. its not only a mentors' project
• [10:17] Zai Lynch: so any resident might shedule a class there... that would be a way of participation even for non-,mentors
• [10:19] Frederike Rau: but there should be a clear concept or everzthing will end in chaos
• [10:19] Monalisa Robbiani: we will need people designated to communicate with the other groups, not just mentors
• [10:19] Holger Gilruth: yes of course frederike
• [10:20] Geister Pfeffer: not only mentors can help to make our experience better.. everyone is called
• [10:20] Gunter Gustav: what about surveys available allover in SL ?
• [10:20] Gunter Gustav: then you have a general feedback
• [10:20] Jean Linden: This will be challenging to organize - I think making it as public to the greater communities as possible will be good
• [10:21] Igel Hawks: Could get an advantage
• [10:21] Jean Linden: You'll have to be upfront about the no advertising bit, that will come first
• [10:21] Frederike Rau: but if we have a clear structure would it be possible
• [10:21] Jean Linden: exactly
• [10:22] Jean Linden: like how much can a community have to represent themselves without "advertising"
• [10:23] Jean Linden: also if there are disputes, how will they be handled
• [10:23] Frederike Rau: true its difficult but u can present ur group as a solidary help group
• [10:23] Monalisa Robbiani: "communities" meaning the 2 forums for example?
• [10:23] Monalisa Robbiani: or othr help groups?
• [10:23] Jean Linden: also, if there are problems, griefers, whatever - will there be a monitoring system of some sort
• [10:24] Zai Lynch: well that depends on land rights you'd like to give to mentors. or if it should be like in the welcome areas and info hubs. so it would be GTeams duty
• [10:24] Jean Linden: It's all the general land concerns
• [10:25] Rocco Brandenburg: Hallo
• [10:25] Albrecht Boucher: huhu rocco
• [10:25] Igel Hawks: Hallo Rocco
• [10:25] Frederike Rau: huhu
• [10:25] Jean Linden: Well that's the thing, I'm looking to give your group as much rights as I can
• [10:25] Holger Gilruth: hi rocco
• [10:25] Frederik Yalin: hi roc
• [10:25] Rocco Brandenburg: Gr euch1
• [10:25] Monalisa Robbiani: bth options having their pros and cons
• [10:25] Gunter Gustav: I think that's a point you can foorget about..I asked George last week on how about upgrading permissions for mentors, like returning objects etc... he denied
• [10:25] Jean Linden: to your elected or appointed officers
• [10:26] Holger Gilruth: gunter this is different
• [10:26] Monalisa Robbiani: its a general philosophy of the mentor program not to give to mentors any more privildges than the other residents have..
• [10:26] Jean Linden: see, I've talked to them, that's why this is an experiment - it would only be for these lands
• [10:26] Gunter Gustav: hehe
• [10:26] Gunter Gustav:  :~
• [10:27] Jean Linden: with the assumption that your group is working together and have entrusted those that you have chosen to have land rights
• [10:27] Gunter Gustav: that is what I call responsibility
• [10:28] Monalisa Robbiani: rocco mikrogon abschalten
• [10:28] Rocco Brandenburg: danke :-))
• [10:28] Monalisa Robbiani: :D
• [10:28] Holger Gilruth: and mentor that its better to talk as to ban
• [10:29] Jean Linden: and communities - I'm refering to the 2 forums, the CG's, the other larger communities
• [10:29] Monalisa Robbiani: so the mentor group will chose people amnong them that will have land rights?
• [10:29] Gunter Gustav: it's an experiment, a project, but yes
• [10:29] Jean Linden: that are PG, since the goal - or at least I would think this is a goal but correct me if I'm wrong
• [10:30] Monalisa Robbiani: i think all CGs are PG
• [10:30] Zai Lynch: should be *nods*
• [10:30] Jean Linden: Monalisa - yes - I would presume your officers but you may want to pick those with great land experience
• [10:30] Igel Hawks: That would be great, yeah.
• [10:30] Monalisa Robbiani: since you need to kick people, remove objects.. yes
• [10:31] Jean Linden: but I had listed that one of the eventual goals is that if this goes well, we can bring it to the New User Experience team and see how we can get it into the entry process, postOI, etc. after the first 3 months
• [10:32] Jean Linden: is hopeful :)
• [10:32] Gunter Gustav:  :)
• [10:32] Geister Pfeffer: sounds good
• [10:32] Igel Hawks: Sounds great to me
• [10:32] Zai Lynch: fr43k Paine has a neat class at NCI on "how to deal with griefing". how to file effective abuse reports, how to find particle spam (even if it's a scripted micro prim), how to turn off particles, how to return stuff from land, kick / ban / mute users... she's a german mentor as well so i think we could make her class obligatory for any new german land officer at these islands
• [10:33] Jean Linden: Now loads of people will want the same thing and we're going to get a lot of grief... I want to be very clear that this is in super beta
• [10:33] Igel Hawks: The classes are cool
• [10:33] Gunter Gustav: but from a beta you've to come to an alpha some day
• [10:33] Holger Gilruth: zai: this hears finde, and jean, yes it will be and the first weeks are strange
• [10:34] Jean Linden: IF we're totally approved and IF it successful, then we will consider expanding the test
• [10:34] Igel Hawks: :D
• [10:34] Igel Hawks: No doubt that it will work; at least bring great experiences
• [10:34] Jean Linden: Monalisa - I would also say communities definitely include all educational institutions and non profits
• [10:34] Gunter Gustav: who will be the choosen few ?
• [10:35] Monalisa Robbiani: there are even universities on the grid
• [10:35] Frederike Rau: if everzbodz has his or her mission and its good shared then would it be a success
• [10:36] Zai Lynch: there is a question on non-profit that danziel had. he is a member of the VHS who are offering educational classes. the are certified as educational by LL as far as i know. but they are taking money although they cound as "non-profit". would this be O:K: for these islands too?
• [10:36] Zai Lynch: (he asked if he could host classes there)
• [10:36] Jean Linden: actually, if you guys do have a mission statement, send it over....
• [10:37] Gunter Gustav: to protect and to serve
• [10:37] Gunter Gustav: -= lol =-
• [10:37] Monalisa Robbiani: hihi *giggle*
• [10:37] Igel Hawks: aw :D
• [10:37] Monalisa Robbiani: the tao applies:D
• [10:37] Jean Linden: :P
• [10:37] Geister Pfeffer: this sounds like a SL-Police at last
• [10:37] Gunter Gustav: well, obviously it's some kind of
• [10:37] Monalisa Robbiani: im allergic to self appointed SL police offiicers:P
• [10:38] Geister Pfeffer: lol
• [10:38] Holger Gilruth: im too
• [10:38] Jean Linden: Zai - they're getting a donation so that can have a space in world I believe, so they're still NP
• [10:38] Igel Hawks: "to serve and to shelter" sounds better
• [10:38] Jean Linden:  :)
• [10:38] Igel Hawks: I dont like police
• [10:38] Igel Hawks: in SL or RL
• [10:38] Geister Pfeffer: so, an observer.. :D
• [10:39] Frederike Rau: lol igel hast du was ausgefressen
• [10:39] Igel Hawks: N.
• [10:39] Igel Hawks: Mag sie trotzdem nicht
• [10:39] Gunter Gustav: call it whaever you want. fact is that those have a huge resposibility, they have to be choosen wisely and they have extended rights and duties
• [10:39] Zai Lynch: yes, but the question was: would it be O.K. to host a class with an entry fee at these islands (the ones we're talking about atm) in case the organisation counts as "non-profit"? or should it all be free
• [10:39] Geister Pfeffer: Igel haben Angst vor Autos, ... also auch vor der Polizei.. sie werden so leicht berfahren. . ^^
• [10:39] Monalisa Robbiani: i guess it should be free zai
• [10:40] Monalisa Robbiani: "for tips"
• [10:40] Zai Lynch: yes, that's what i'm thinking as well...
• [10:40] Holger Gilruth: agree mona
• [10:40] Monalisa Robbiani: :D
• [10:40] Igel Hawks: rollt sich zusammen
• [10:41] Holger Gilruth: jean have you every plan when we can start building and mostly concepts must be finished
• [10:41] Jean Linden: :D alright - so that's what I have so far from my side - holger, you always want a date :)
• [10:41] Gunter Gustav: he he he he he
• [10:42] Monalisa Robbiani: o-O
• [10:42] Jean Linden: last week, did I guess for mid month?
• [10:42] Holger Gilruth: not a specific date :) just 1 week, one month, 3 months
• [10:42] Monalisa Robbiani: holger wants dates hihi *giggle*
• [10:42] Holger Gilruth: lol
• [10:42] Jean Linden: LOL
• [10:42] Holger Gilruth: dating jean
• [10:42] Monalisa Robbiani: pokes jean
• [10:42] Jean Linden: LMAO
• [10:42] Igel Hawks: hihi
• [10:42] Monalisa Robbiani: hihi *giggle*
• [10:43] Geister Pfeffer: he is flirting you.. :D
• [10:43] Rocco Brandenburg:  :)))
• [10:43] Jean Linden: man it's like we're all in middles school again :P
• [10:43] Igel Hawks: Understandable ;-)
• [10:43] Gunter Gustav: *~*~rofl*~*~
• [10:43] Frederike Rau: jean hahah
• [10:43] Monalisa Robbiani: SL makes you feel like that
• [10:43] Geister Pfeffer: Hihihi
• [10:43] Geister Pfeffer: haha
• [10:43] Monalisa Robbiani: holger likes the teacher:D
• [10:43] Igel Hawks: particle spammer!
• [10:43] Gunter Gustav:  :~
• [10:43] Igel Hawks: LOL
• [10:44] Igel Hawks: smell spammer
• [10:44] Jean Linden: okay okay... well I'm hoping to have more news for you next week - drcke alle die Daume
• [10:45] Igel Hawks: Das hoffen wir doch :D
• [10:45] Jan Hird: noch eine anderen frage: was gibts den neues aus dem datenbank bereich, wann bekommen wir wieder ein stabils SL ?
• [10:45] Geister Pfeffer: <--- drckt einen
• [10:45] Holger Gilruth: but we should start as fast as possible to speak about the sims
• [10:45] Monalisa Robbiani: jan jean is da nich die richtige ansprechpartnerin heheh
• [10:45] Jean Linden: und wenn es geht, dann brauchen wir wahrscheinlich noch eine Woche, fr die Land permissions usw.
• [10:45] Igel Hawks: @Jan: der 1. April ist doch schon vorbei ....
• [10:45] Geister Pfeffer: my question is, why is sl so slow last time..
• [10:46] Igel Hawks: Hmmm, andere Officehour wrde ich sagen
• [10:46] Geister Pfeffer: ^^
• [10:46] Frederike Rau: wouldnt it be better when its clear whos doing what befor we get a sim -
• [10:46] Frederike Rau: cuz nothing is arranged
• [10:47] Holger Gilruth: frederike i think this is the week needed for landrights
• [10:48] Jean Linden: I'd also like to say - if I can't get approval for some reason or another, that we also start thinking about alternatives
• [10:48] Igel Hawks: yeah.
• [10:49] Jean Linden: well at least I can start thinking about alternatives :)
• [10:49] Gunter Gustav: approved by whom ?
• [10:49] Zai Lynch: approval for land rights or approval for the project in general?
• [10:49] Igel Hawks: smiles
• [10:49] Jean Linden: and you'll have me in Germany for 2 weeks - so I can meet with people if necessary
• [10:49] Jean Linden: approval for the project
• [10:49] Igel Hawks: Metaverse?
• [10:49] Holger Gilruth: where in german :)
• [10:50] Holger Gilruth: one is central in munich or?
• [10:50] Zai Lynch: ah i see. well if not, then i think we got to ask jaime linden about their project with the welcome areas and create a german welcome area
• [10:50] Monalisa Robbiani: holger wants a date
• [10:50] Geister Pfeffer: you visit germany ? nice..
• [10:50] Igel Hawks: Berlin glaube ich
• [10:50] Jean Linden: Karlsruhe - Berlin - Mnchen - Hannover (Braunschweig)
• [10:50] Holger Gilruth: hannover :) thats great
• [10:50] Frederike Rau: ohh karlsruhe
• [10:50] Gunter Gustav: Mnchen !! Klasse !
• [10:50] Frederike Rau: what ure doing there
• [10:51] Geister Pfeffer: wow. if you are near Berlin, let me know when.. :D
• [10:51] Gunter Gustav: is in Mnchen
• [10:51] Frederike Rau: i leave 150 km awaz from karlsruhe
• [10:51] Frederike Rau: live
• [10:51] Jean Linden: Metaverse Konferenz - SL Community Meeting - meetings - meetings (host family)
• [10:51] Monalisa Robbiani: where an when will that be?
• [10:52] Frederike Rau: is it a public or closed meeting
• [10:52] Igel Hawks: Mnchen ist prima :D
• [10:52] Gunter Gustav: hehe
• [10:52] Rocco Brandenburg: I can offer you a bed an breakfest, but I life in Vienna hahaha
• [10:52] Monalisa Robbiani: looool
• [10:52] Frederike Rau: hahaha
• [10:52] Monalisa Robbiani: OMG!
• [10:52] Holger Gilruth: lol
• [10:52] Frederike Rau: lecker
• [10:52] Holger Gilruth: jean i send you a film again :)
• [10:52] Monalisa Robbiani: ok ich komme, wir fhren dann hin
• [10:53] Monalisa Robbiani: lol
• [10:53] Jean Linden: LOL
• [10:53] Rocco Brandenburg: I think I must leave this room, Im from Austria and not from Germany lol
• [10:53] Frederike Rau: achwas lol
• [10:53] Igel Hawks: Deutschsprachige Officehour
• [10:53] Jean Linden: I heard we got good press in E-Media in Austria :) today
• [10:53] Geister Pfeffer: no, stay.. and come to germany too.,. lol
• [10:53] menschling Aabye: rocco ich bin auch aus wien
• [10:54] Igel Hawks: Ich fahre in einer Stunde auch nach A und brauche keinen Dolmetscher
• [10:54] Rocco Brandenburg: really? I must buy it tomorrow :-)))
• [10:54] Geister Pfeffer: wir haben sterreicher gerne, .. O.o
• [10:54] Frederike Rau: but not in swityerland we are working on it
• [10:54] menschling Aabye: JEAN for 4 weeks Second Life was in E MEDIA
• [10:54] Jean Linden: Ich htte gern nach Wien, ich brauche mehr Zeit
• [10:54] Holger Gilruth: urlaub
• [10:54] menschling Aabye: 3 seiten bericht
• [10:54] Jean Linden: 4 weeks?! ehrlich!
• [10:54] Rocco Brandenburg: cool
• [10:54] menschling Aabye: ber sl und virtuelle konkurenz
• [10:54] Silvio Interflug: hallo
• [10:54] Gunter Gustav: HiPiHi kackt eh ab :-D
• [10:54] Geister Pfeffer: silvio verpasst die zeit. lol
• [10:55] Igel Hawks: Hallo Silvio
• [10:55] menschling Aabye: thesimsonline geht offline lach
• [10:55] Frederike Rau: will there be a big meeting for all sl members be too-
• [10:56] Jean Linden: Hallo Silvio!
• [10:56] Monalisa Robbiani: yes in florida:D
• [10:56] Monalisa Robbiani: SLCC
• [10:56] Frederike Rau: lool
• [10:56] Frederike Rau: damn
• [10:56] Monalisa Robbiani: that sounds like aplan:D
• [10:56] Zai Lynch: time for holidays, huh?
• [10:56] Frederike Rau: florida is too far awaz
• [10:56] Frederike Rau: way
• [10:56] menschling Aabye: hiphi hat vor kurzen englische version gestartet gunter
• [10:56] Holger Gilruth: Jean send us the tickets :)
• [10:57] Gunter Gustav: und ?
• [10:57] Frederike Rau: lool
• [10:57] Frederike Rau: jean could send us a teleport
• [10:57] Jean Linden: Menschling - hast du die gesehen? die hipihi version?
• [10:57] Igel Hawks: Komme ich nicht drauf, meine Graka passt nicht
• [10:57] menschling Aabye: aber was mach ich in ein spiel wo nur chenesich gesprochen wird
• [10:57] Holger Gilruth: im shure Lindenlab has a Golden Credit card
• [10:57] Gunter Gustav: ja, war mal drin, war aber wohl der Einzige da :-D
• [10:57] Jean Linden: Holger - uhm I wish I could get tickets :P
• [10:57] Igel Hawks: chinesisch sprechen z.B.
• [10:58] Gunter Gustav: [1]
• [10:58] menschling Aabye: youtube videos JEAN
• [10:58] Igel Hawks: *kichert
• [10:58] Gunter Gustav: -= lol =-
• [10:58] Jean Linden: danke Gunter und menschling :)
• [10:58] Rocco Brandenburg: und twinity ist ja auch nicht gerade ein Konkurrenz, ziemlich schwach :))
• [10:58] Gunter Gustav: most welcome
• [10:58] Silvio Interflug: danke geister
• [10:58] Geister Pfeffer: bitte
• [10:59] menschling Aabye: imvu ist schrott
• [10:59] Monalisa Robbiani: i finally started to read snow crash
• [10:59] menschling Aabye: hab ich mehr diese woche angeschaut
• [10:59] Holger Gilruth: one think has anybody something again to make the chatlog public in the www.german-mentors.de wiki ?
• [10:59] Jean Linden: ja, ich habe wenig ber twinity gehrt noch...
• [10:59] Gunter Gustav: da gbe es noch "There"..aber das kenn ich net
• [10:59] menschling Aabye: ber twinity gibs seid heut ein neues interesantes video
• [10:59] Monalisa Robbiani: we dont mind holger
• [10:59] Igel Hawks: Afterworld ist immer noch Alpha
• [10:59] Jean Linden: alle - gibt es noch was?
• [10:59] Rocco Brandenburg: ich bin da Beta-Tester, aber nach wenigen onlinestunden wieder offline
• [11:00] Zai Lynch: so someone got the complete chatlog? (i missed the start) ^^
• [11:00] Igel Hawks: Jean will post it in the Wiki
• [11:00] Igel Hawks: (hoffe ich mal)
• [11:00] Jean Linden: aaah yes, may I/we copy the chat log
• [11:00] Jean Linden:  ?
• [11:00] Monalisa Robbiani: yes you may
• [11:00] Monalisa Robbiani: :D
• [11:00] Igel Hawks: Would be great
• [11:00] Zai Lynch: nods
• [11:00] Jean Linden: ooh sorry Igel, I thought you were posting it
• [11:00] Jean Linden: lol
• [11:00] Igel Hawks: Torley does it, too
• [11:01] Jean Linden: ooops
• [11:01] Petra Heberle: einen schnen abend allen
• [11:01] Igel Hawks: I am most time too late...
• [11:01] Zai Lynch: cya petra =)
• [11:01] Rocco Brandenburg: Ciao Petra
• [11:01] Igel Hawks: So I never have a full log