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Transcript of [[User:Oskar_Linden|Oskar Linden]]'s Beta Server Office Hour for July 22nd, 2010: | Transcript of [[User:Oskar_Linden|Oskar Linden]]'s Beta Server Office Hour for July 22nd, 2010: | ||
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* [15:00] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: hi boss | |||
* [15:00] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]: hi Oskar! | |||
* [15:00] [[User:Oskars Drag|Oskars Drag]]: Kart 1.2: You aren't the owner | |||
* [15:00] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: he he he he he | |||
* [15:00] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]: hi all | |||
* [15:00] [[User:Add On|Add On]]: Monty Linden detected in this region | |||
* [15:01] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: is he | |||
* [15:01] [[User:Psi Merlin|Psi Merlin]]: Hi Oskar, Monty | |||
* [15:01] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: hello | |||
* [15:01] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: is a cloud | |||
* [15:02] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: Oskar i see you | |||
* [15:02] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: its your end | |||
* [15:02] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: Oskar is on a horse! | |||
* [15:02] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: i see him too | |||
* [15:02] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: ? | |||
* [15:02] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: no he is not | |||
* [15:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I am the man your man could smell like | |||
* [15:02] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: or something | |||
* [15:02] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: he is balled and dress in black | |||
* [15:02] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: lol | |||
* [15:03] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: tight black bdsm leather | |||
* [15:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: welcome once again to the beta server office hours | |||
* [15:03] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]: hi Psi, Oskar, everyone | |||
* [15:03] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: Oskar do you not wish to look like me ? | |||
* [15:03] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: hello everybody | |||
* [15:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: starring Oskar, Monty, Maestro, Simon and occasioanlly Kelly | |||
* [15:03] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: the agenda is here: [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta_Server_Office_Hours] | |||
* [15:03] [[User:Psi Merlin|Psi Merlin]]: Hi Ima | |||
* [15:03] [[User:Entering god|Entering god]]: mode, level 200 | |||
* [15:04] [[User:Psi Merlin|Psi Merlin]]: Hello Everyone. | |||
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: we really only have one thing to talk about this week | |||
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I just want to see how 1.40.4 is going | |||
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: we've had a few issues pop up here and there | |||
* [15:04] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: oh that reminds me Oskar sir i have been looking at 0 Prim Temp Rezzers they are not good for the health of a sims physics at all | |||
* [15:04] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: but overall it seems like this version will take | |||
* [15:05] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: xstorm is not good for the health of sim physics :-) | |||
* [15:05] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: true | |||
* [15:05] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: lol | |||
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: but I appreciate it :-D | |||
* [15:06] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: :-) | |||
* [15:06] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: do any of you see anything major that would stop us from rolling 1.40.4 to the whole grid | |||
* [15:07] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: no | |||
* [15:07] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: attachment problems? | |||
* [15:07] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: :-) | |||
* [15:07] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: no the 0 prim temp rezzers just need to be rescripted | |||
* [15:07] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: Donlad says we're good, Oskar. Let's do it. | |||
* [15:07] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: lol | |||
* [15:07] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: monty was following up on some crashers | |||
* [15:07] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: there is a timing problem with them | |||
* [15:07] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: but overall the issus have been minimal | |||
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: some bots will need some tweaking | |||
* [15:08] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: What about recovering the attachments that were lost in the initial rollout? | |||
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: has anyone seen tp issues where they end up at 0/0/0 ? | |||
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Sylvie. attachment recovery issues fall into supports lap | |||
* [15:08] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: there isn't anything I or the server team can do | |||
* [15:08] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: Oskar you can get that with some bad sit and teleport scripts | |||
* [15:08] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: Support just say to clear cache and relog. | |||
* [15:09] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: i have TPed somewhere and suddenly the tp screen shows without me doing anything | |||
* [15:09] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: (and support is a bit angry with us at the moment) | |||
* [15:09] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: Is there no Backup that can be retrieved? | |||
* [15:09] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: lol | |||
* [15:09] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]: no, only weirdness I've seen is sitting on object sticking me underground for 10-20 seconds. But that's not new ;-) | |||
* [15:09] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: Sylvie, support is useless. | |||
* [15:09] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I saw the tp to 0/0/0 things once on my own. I was wondering if anyone else had just using a regular vwr and a plain tp | |||
* [15:09] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: I never had that problem, Oskar | |||
* [15:09] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: may be its a bad teleport script doing it ? | |||
* [15:09] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: ok | |||
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I don't tp with scripts | |||
* [15:10] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: I use Emerald, and 2.1 beta | |||
* [15:10] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: yes but some people do | |||
* [15:10] [[User:Flynn Tigerpaw|Flynn Tigerpaw]]: Did that happen with a regular tp with a landmark? | |||
* [15:10] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: i hope u don't change to 1.40 on friday:) | |||
* [15:10] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: right I know. I was mentioning that I saw it without any tp scripts | |||
* [15:10] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: Sometimes I end up at 0 0 0 briefly on TP then arrive at the right place (normal TP) | |||
* [15:10] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: i know i had to reset my home teleport do to it was messed up and sent me to zindra every time | |||
* [15:11] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: well it says 0 0 0 when I get there until it completes the TP, but its never directly put me at 0 0 0 | |||
* [15:11] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: if anyone can find an adequate repro using a tp script on agni let me know | |||
* [15:11] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I had a stuck av at 0/0/0 for about 45s untl the tp finished | |||
* [15:11] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: i never seen that other then with scripted items | |||
* [15:11] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: Mine have only lasted 1-3 seconds | |||
* [15:11] [[User:Another Hax|Another Hax]]: appearing at 0,0,0 on sit happens most often when using primparams to seat/move agent, right when sim is having issues | |||
* [15:11] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]: I know there's a timing problem with region crossings (and possibly TPs) that can momentarily mess up your position | |||
* [15:12] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: mine just briefly too | |||
* [15:12] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: I use TP scripts and I also havent had any problems with them | |||
* [15:12] [[User:Another Hax|Another Hax]]: missed a beat | |||
* [15:12] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: so more or less thumbs up for 1.40.4? | |||
* [15:12] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: yup | |||
* [15:12] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: but... | |||
* [15:12] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: well yes i can not drive any thing across a sim crossing | |||
* [15:13] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Donlad. I have always been curious. Was your name meant to be donald? | |||
* [15:13] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: there something weird going on if u tp while sitting. when u arrive the sitting animation doesn't stop | |||
* [15:13] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]: I do not know if this depends on server 1.40, but I teleported from a sim with server 1.40 to a sim with server 1.38, and my avatar is stuck in grid, in the logout process ...It'is still blocked from two days ... : ( | |||
* [15:13] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: that is an old bug rex | |||
* [15:13] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: I'm not real technical, I'm more of a consumer than a developer...I thought havok7 was supposed to be a performance improvement? | |||
* [15:13] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]: yupOskar, isn't it ruse to ask someone if they are a typo? | |||
* [15:13] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: Actually no Oskar, Donlad is a nickname given to me by a friend.. Donald is my real name though :-) | |||
* [15:13] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: :-) | |||
* [15:13] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: nice | |||
* [15:14] [[User:Another Hax|Another Hax]]: finding yourself at 0,0,0 (visually) is an age old prob too | |||
* [15:14] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]: RINOBIT , the region where you're stuck needs a restart | |||
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I was once given the suglebo and I don't know why | |||
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: given the nickname I meant to say | |||
* [15:14] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: hahaha | |||
* [15:14] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]: yes, but it's a PROTECDE LAND, owned by Governor Linden | |||
* [15:14] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]: I can't restart it | |||
* [15:14] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]: .) | |||
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: havok 7 does have performance issues | |||
* [15:14] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: but they may not be immediately apparent | |||
* [15:14] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: well if its the Ontyne support they all need training | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: region transfer for ground based vehicles are slightly better | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: Agrees with xstorm | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: they don't read what you write | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: most of the enhancements were for ground based vehicles | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]: xstorm, they need more than training. a clue might help as they obviously don't have one | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: Ah | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: falcon has a lot more tweaks and enhancements coming | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: i know more than they do | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: Oh cool. 1.42? :) | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: lol | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: getting the h7 code up to date was the first step | |||
* [15:15] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: but can the Ontyne read or just copy from the KB ? | |||
* [15:15] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: 1.42 will be very very light | |||
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: light and small | |||
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: change wise I mean | |||
* [15:16] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]: Does 1.42 still have the fix for fins? | |||
* [15:16] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: I suppose I was hoping 1.40 would be my savior in the Sim performance and lag area | |||
* [15:16] [[User:Ovaltine Constantine|Ovaltine Constantine]]: "Light" meaning it'll have http textures and threaded region crossing, right? | |||
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: we are doing massive overhaul of internal processes | |||
* [15:16] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: and are trying to make releases happen a lot faster | |||
* [15:16] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: can there be a post about some temp rezzers may need restarting after roll out ? | |||
* [15:17] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: sure xstorm. feel free :-) | |||
* [15:17] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: gee thanks lol | |||
* [15:17] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: Oskar, there is a balance to be found there - otherwise you get issues like all the lost Inventory on 20th June... | |||
* [15:17] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: empowers you | |||
* [15:17] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: My preference is smaller releases and more frequently... smaller releases make finding bugs easier, do they not? :) | |||
* [15:17] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: balance for what Sylvie? | |||
* [15:17] [[User:Another Hax|Another Hax]]: temp rezzers.. ignore thy neighbors temp prim limits | |||
* [15:18] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: speed or rolling things out vs testing / load testing | |||
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: smaller releases do not make finding bugs easier, but getting the fixes live happens faster | |||
* [15:18] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: speed for* | |||
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: agreed Sylvie | |||
* [15:18] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: i do have a video of the temp rezzer script as it starts to go off line | |||
* [15:18] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: testing will happen constantly | |||
* [15:18] [[User:Ovaltine Constantine|Ovaltine Constantine]]: Idk, the weekly Viewer 2 updates seem to be getting worse every time | |||
* [15:18] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: Well then that's good. :) | |||
* [15:18] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: ah okay, i see what you mean - like RAD | |||
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: xstorm. message me on agni about the temp rezzer stuff this afternoon and get me back up to speed on that ok? | |||
* [15:19] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: [http://screenr.com/uim] | |||
* [15:19] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: ok | |||
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: this weekend will be the first big weekend for 1.40.4 | |||
* [15:19] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I know you guys won't be shy if you find things out before we do | |||
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: file a jira and let me know | |||
* [15:20] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: Who was working on the Mono update? I forget. | |||
* [15:20] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: i hope with the fix that it will not happen on Agni | |||
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: we will make our decision on Tuesday whether to roll 1.40.4 to the whole grid | |||
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: your input is always appreciated | |||
* [15:20] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I think kelly is doing most mono work these days Donlad | |||
* [15:20] [[User:Marc Adored|Marc Adored]]: babbage was mono wasnt it? | |||
* [15:20] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: Oskar - could I ask about the "Object is missing from database" error - is it possible that items could be recovered from Backup if we give the exact name and creator Key, for example? | |||
* [15:21] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: thats why i was hoping Trendone was going to get the 1.40 when it was sent to agni to test | |||
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: you'll have to chat with Support Sylvie | |||
* [15:21] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: Do you still have backups Inventory backups from 20th June? | |||
* [15:21] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: Sylvie, the only thing Oskar can do is refer you to support. :-) | |||
* [15:21] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: what Donlad said | |||
* [15:21] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: i have the "Object is missing from database" error too. but i have no idea what is missing:( | |||
* [15:21] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: And then support will refer you to the Clear Cache button. :-) | |||
* [15:21] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: If I get an Ontyne they probably won't even know what backup is | |||
* [15:22] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: do not bother with support the Ontyne are a bad joke | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: THey already did that Donlad | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: is bracing for a lot of heat wrt 0/0/0 thing and libomv :P | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: I just want to know if there's a backup - if not there's no point in asking | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: ur bracing for heat Latif? | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: backup=a button on your keyboard that moves your computer one meter back:) | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: My point is... support (in my experience) won't give an object back that you lost. | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: lol Rex | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: Oskar, I got 10 emails already | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: I didn't lose it | |||
* [15:22] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: LL did | |||
* [15:23] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: Let me correct myself | |||
* [15:23] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: Support will not give you back an item that you and/or LL lost. | |||
* [15:23] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I have no special abilities that support doesn't have | |||
* [15:23] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I have no magic tool for re-creating lost inventory items | |||
* [15:23] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I wish I could be more help | |||
* [15:23] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: And neither does support. :-) | |||
* [15:23] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: i didn't mean that you had abilities, it was more the technical point about whether there woudl still be backups from 20th June | |||
* [15:24] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]: I disagree Oskar, common sense and the ability to read what's in front of you are abilities you possess ;-) | |||
* [15:24] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: be nice ima :-) | |||
* [15:24] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: if there are, then it shoudl be possible via SQL to work out where the record is and copy/paste to live | |||
* [15:24] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: I don't even think support has access to backups. | |||
* [15:24] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]: umm that was nice | |||
* [15:24] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: is happy he doesn't work in support. their job is very underappreciated. | |||
* [15:24] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: wht's the point in having backups if you can't retrieve stuff ??? | |||
* [15:24] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: right now if u want backup u need to make an alt and to give to that alt all your inventory that is tranferrable:( | |||
* [15:25] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: So that say, if an asset server blew up, they could replace it. | |||
* [15:25] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: transferable* | |||
* [15:25] [[User:Another Hax|Another Hax]]: this day an age of data storage.. you'd think you could keep track of everything (looks over at 3 1tb drives for txt info storage alone) | |||
* [15:25] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]: fwiw there really aren't 'backup' of our databases ... I los t count of how many terabytes we are up to now. Its over 200, I think | |||
* [15:25] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: Oskar the Ontyne group was reading to me some thing from the KB that i help in having posted | |||
* [15:25] [[User:Flynn Tigerpaw|Flynn Tigerpaw]]: if an item got wiped, wouldn't everyone who had the item lose it? | |||
* [15:26] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: okay thank you Simon | |||
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Anoterh Hax. do your drives get and additioanl 1tb of prims named 'object' every day? | |||
* [15:26] [[User:Another Hax|Another Hax]]: I'd buy more drives | |||
* [15:26] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: OMG!! | |||
* [15:26] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: it's not that simple xstorm | |||
* [15:27] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: we are working on the ability to have more felxible storage space | |||
* [15:27] [[User:Another Hax|Another Hax]]: They are cheap now, much less than 1 dollar per gb | |||
* [15:27] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: but we're not entirely there yet | |||
* [15:27] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: LL server storage must get expensive. :-) | |||
* [15:28] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: you will need to pee after that Skills | |||
* [15:28] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: Yeah Flynn, it's the record of *me* having the object that's wiped - except the name of it is still in Inventory (and the properties eg Creator) | |||
* [15:28] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: storage related issues are easily solved for small databases. when you get something like our inv server the whole game changes | |||
* [15:28] [[User:Another Hax|Another Hax]]: trolling large info db sure does take awhile.. but i dont mind waiting to get back soemthing lost | |||
* [15:28] [[User:Chaos Borkotron|Chaos Borkotron]]: So what would happen if concurrency doubled over night? | |||
* [15:28] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: all that to say "I apologize for your loss" :-( | |||
* [15:28] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: nods | |||
* [15:29] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: if concurrency doubled overnight... | |||
* [15:29] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: not sure I want to find out | |||
* [15:29] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: :-) | |||
* [15:29] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: haha | |||
* [15:29] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: lol | |||
* [15:29] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]: several Lindens would have nervous breakdowns | |||
* [15:29] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: may be i can test the 2000 objects test and see how well autoretuns works too :-)] | |||
* [15:29] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: and to think that if we had local inventory most of these "Object is missing from database" errors would be gone:( | |||
* [15:29] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: we're self-throttling, it can't happen. *snort* | |||
* [15:30] [[User:Another Hax|Another Hax]]: true rex | |||
* [15:30] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: local inv is a nasty pile of legal issues I won't even touch with a 10ft pole | |||
* [15:30] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: Local inventory surely would open the door to a more easy copybot. | |||
* [15:30] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: at least for thing we make | |||
* [15:30] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: ? like to see if it can or not ? | |||
* [15:30] [[User:Marc Adored|Marc Adored]]: yes local inventory opens a whole nother can or worms | |||
* [15:30] [[User:Another Hax|Another Hax]]: legal mostly | |||
* [15:30] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: yeah | |||
* [15:30] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: if u allow it only for thing u make there will be no worms in there:) | |||
* [15:30] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: mmm local inv | |||
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: so this is a fairly light meeting today | |||
* [15:31] [[User:Chaos Borkotron|Chaos Borkotron]]: can i throw "whats happening with mesh imports" into the mix, i know a lot of people who want to know | |||
* [15:31] [[User:Flynn Tigerpaw|Flynn Tigerpaw]]: Sylvie, did you have more than 1 copy of the item in your inventory? (this inv thing has me confused) | |||
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: we've talked about 1.40.4 and that seems mostly happy | |||
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: thoughts on the enxt topic? | |||
* [15:31] [[User:Chaos Borkotron|Chaos Borkotron]]: mesh importing | |||
* [15:31] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: ~Flynn I'll IM you | |||
* [15:31] [[User:Flynn Tigerpaw|Flynn Tigerpaw]]: ok | |||
* [15:31] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: i think i can do a quick script that will pump out 20000 objects in a short time then send it to inventory | |||
* [15:31] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: so you want me to comment on a project that is not officially public? | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: can't emerald do local inv already, skills:) | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: this is more of the old topic, but if anybody has more concrete details about SVC-6028, that would be helpful | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Issue Helper|Issue Helper]]: Issue does not exist... try again, Maestro Linden | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: o_O | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I'd like that script xstorm :-) | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Marc Adored|Marc Adored]]: if he tells you about mesh imports he will have to kill you | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Chaos Borkotron|Chaos Borkotron]]: yes, well its sort of public | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]: it was moved to SEC? | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6028 | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Issue Helper|Issue Helper]]: [#SVC-6028 | |||
* http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-6028 | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: sure. let's talk about that | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: take it away Maestro | |||
* [15:32] [[User:Chaos Borkotron|Chaos Borkotron]]: its been leaked, 2 video's and the SLCC one | |||
* [15:33] [[User:Chaos Borkotron|Chaos Borkotron]]: wow chat lag | |||
* [15:33] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: the report was just that an elevator broke somewhere, somehow. but that's not enough to go on :) | |||
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: it's not leaked. we even gave a demo last year at SLCC | |||
* [15:33] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: but it is not a public project that I can discuss | |||
* [15:33] [[User:Chaos Borkotron|Chaos Borkotron]]: :( | |||
* [15:34] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: if anybody sees other content like that, and knows it's broken in 1.40 but not in 1.38, let me (or better yet, jira) know | |||
* [15:34] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: thre is a something that stops physical objects. when somebody selects them:( | |||
* [15:34] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: I thought Philip said "we will plan and develop in public", in his strategy statement | |||
* [15:34] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: long time issue rex | |||
* [15:34] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]: Elevator running o na 'shaft' sticks?? Is that another fin problem? | |||
* [15:34] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: which strategy statement Latif? | |||
* [15:34] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: that could be what made the elevator stop | |||
* [15:34] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: Oskar, on the blog.... hold on a sec | |||
* [15:35] [[User:Another Hax|Another Hax]]: there has to abe a line.. | |||
* [15:35] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: hm that's a possibility I suppose, kitto | |||
* [15:35] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: [http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2010/07/16/update-on-strategy-and-call-for-in-world-meeting#comment-780397] | |||
* [15:35] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: "The shift to shorter cycles with smaller deliverables should allow better community involvement and feedback. We will make our changes, develop code, and discuss plans in the open." | |||
* [15:35] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: eyah that one | |||
* [15:36] [[User:Another Hax|Another Hax]]: lack of 'all' | |||
* [15:36] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: they're still talking about mesh details :x | |||
* [15:36] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: he said that like last week. :-D | |||
* [15:36] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: mesh has been private for more than a year | |||
* [15:36] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: i hope it won't get scrapped too | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: for some reason that blog keeps sending updates even though i set preferences to not get updates | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: well let's hope that there will be no more "viewer2" type projects behind closed doors for years :) | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: +1 | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: why so laggy here? | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: there's BURN 2.0 now | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I am always for more open involvement | |||
* [15:37] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: i loled | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: i wonder if that was intentional | |||
* [15:38] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: there has been simple mesh in SL for years the avatars , ground and some other things are a mesh so stop asking | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Ovaltine Constantine wins the laggiest scripts award today | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Another Hax|Another Hax]]: why so many scripted items around a meeting area?.. | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Ovaltine Constantine|Ovaltine Constantine]]: YAY! | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Matias is a close 2nd | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: then Donlad | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Another Hax|Another Hax]]: laughs | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Matias Warcliffe|Matias Warcliffe]]: :P | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: then Moundsa | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Chaos Borkotron|Chaos Borkotron]]: whats the next "big project" to become public? | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: then Marc Adored | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: then Latif | |||
* [15:38] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: in that order | |||
* [15:39] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: haha | |||
* [15:39] [[User:Marc Adored|Marc Adored]]: lol | |||
* [15:39] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: Isn't lag partly a function of your computer spec as well? And your internet connection? | |||
* [15:39] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Chaos: probably going to be physics related | |||
* [15:39] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: i think i could take 1st place if i start shooting:) | |||
* [15:39] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: Falcon and I put llcastray on aditi 2 weeks ago | |||
* [15:39] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: we're working on localized smell | |||
* [15:39] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: that is a new and open approach | |||
* [15:39] [[User:Ovaltine Constantine|Ovaltine Constantine]]: has been waiting for quite a while for a way to tell if I have laggy scripts without being an estate manager. You gives me that? I gives you less laggy scripts | |||
* [15:39] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: wish for more scripted items i can do over a 1000 scripted items for you :-) | |||
* [15:39] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: Try V2 Ovaltine- | |||
* [15:39] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: it's in About Land | |||
* [15:39] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: ok Ovaltine. You are laggy. :-) | |||
* [15:39] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: even on Mainland | |||
* [15:39] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]: can I have this tool Oskar? to see who win the "laggiest scripts award"? | |||
* [15:39] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]: :) | |||
* [15:40] [[User:Ovaltine Constantine|Ovaltine Constantine]]: V2 shows memory, not time | |||
* [15:40] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: tho only on land you own I think | |||
* [15:40] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: ah right - good point | |||
* [15:40] [[User:Ovaltine Constantine|Ovaltine Constantine]]: And not even accurate memory | |||
* [15:40] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]: I think it is very useful | |||
* [15:40] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: he is not there | |||
* [15:40] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]: :) | |||
* [15:40] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: it will be better once Mono/LSL gets sorted? | |||
* [15:40] [[User:Ovaltine Constantine|Ovaltine Constantine]]: Oskar what object that I'm wearing is laggiest? | |||
* [15:40] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: it will all be better in the future | |||
* [15:40] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: odd | |||
* [15:40] [[User:Ovaltine Constantine|Ovaltine Constantine]]: (IS "laggiest" a word?) | |||
* [15:40] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: gazes down the road wistfully | |||
* [15:40] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: it is now | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: oh do you know when the mono ugprade will happen yet? | |||
* [15:41] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: Ovaltine to me your not there | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: no skills I do not | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: and mono rez fix backport | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: aw | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Moundsa Mayo|Moundsa Mayo]]: Any improvement with my Mystitool Idled? | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Marc Adored|Marc Adored]]: so last meeting i attended was about castray but another subject came up about making radars more efficient by adding a function for gettiing avatar uuid's for that region im pretty interested in that :) | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: it would be pricesless to go to somebody on main grid, and say "why r u so laggy" lol | |||
* [15:41] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: ok now ya there | |||
* [15:41] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: that was odd | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: that's easy Rex | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: look for anyone with prim hair | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: how? | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: lol | |||
* [15:41] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: :-) | |||
* [15:42] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: hides her prim hair ;-) | |||
* [15:42] [[User:Marc Adored|Marc Adored]]: i have sexy prim hair so its probably got a high arc | |||
* [15:42] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: you can just use emerald and count scripts | |||
* [15:42] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: [15:39:03 | |||
* [15:42] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: don't u know not all prim hair is created equal? some use only one script to resize:) | |||
* [15:42] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: is bald under this hoody | |||
* [15:42] [[User:Marc Adored|Marc Adored]]: my hair has no scripts :P | |||
* [15:42] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: mine has no resizer and not much transparent I think | |||
* [15:42] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: [15:42 | |||
* [15:42] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: :-) | |||
* [15:42] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: new ones made with 1,.38's fast lsl script functions should be ok | |||
* [15:42] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: or more ok | |||
* [15:43] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: "1,.38's fast lsl script functions" ??? | |||
* [15:43] [[User:Ovaltine Constantine|Ovaltine Constantine]]: Can you tell which object of mine causes the most lag? I'd laugh if it was the rings | |||
* [15:43] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]: but the "count script" does not detect the attachment as HUD... | |||
* [15:43] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: sadly oskar the new resize scripts can't reach their true potential:( | |||
* [15:43] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: what is their true potential rex? | |||
* [15:43] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: there is no llgetlinkparametersFAST :( | |||
* [15:43] [[User:Another Hax|Another Hax]]: counting scripts doesnt tell you how laggy they are..one script could be your prob | |||
* [15:43] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: well the mother script that sets the prim params should know the prim params right? | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Marc Adored|Marc Adored]]: i think thateither announcing on a negative channel an avatar leaving or coming or a single function to return an avatar list would greatly reduce lag due to sensor heavy scanners that use probs | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Ovaltine Constantine|Ovaltine Constantine]]: llGetLinkPrimitiveParams is "Fast" even though it doesn't have "Fast" in the name | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Another Hax|Another Hax]]: my hud with 70 odd scripts is less laggy than most huds with 10 scripts | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: llGetLinkPrimitiveParams has 0.2 miliseconds built-in delay:( | |||
* [15:44] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: One of my HUDs has 50 scripts. :-) | |||
* [15:45] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]: cringes thinking about how much data that means for TPs and crossings | |||
* [15:45] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: inventory retun cap ? | |||
* [15:45] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: the mother script doesn't have enough mem to hold pos and size of each prim | |||
* [15:45] [[User:Another Hax|Another Hax]]: only 70 as i havent imp floating text on child prims yet..that'll drop at least 20 | |||
* [15:45] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: I think "Script Count" should definitely including scripts inside of HUDs worn as well. | |||
* [15:46] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: if there is not enough mem the mother script has to use llGetLinkPrimitiveParams to get links values:( | |||
* [15:46] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: rex, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams has 0 delay | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: odelay | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: hah | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: sorry | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: ... i'm pretty sure, at least | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: not according to this [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlGetPrimitiveParams] | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: ruh roh | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: i'm talking about the link version | |||
* [15:47] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: rex is calling maestro out! | |||
* [15:48] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: that's the non-link one :) | |||
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: maestro fights back | |||
* [15:48] [[User:Marc Adored|Marc Adored]]: here you go rex: list llGetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast( integer link, list params ) { return llGetLinkPrimitiveParams(link, params); } | |||
* [15:48] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: Oskar makes a great announcer. Who agrees? :-) | |||
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: :-D | |||
* [15:48] [[User:Alpha 5|Alpha 5]]: Ready! Type 'bs help' for a list of commands. | |||
* [15:48] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: that's what we need; a voice font for an announcer | |||
* [15:48] [[User:Marc Adored|Marc Adored]]: i hooked you up :) | |||
* [15:48] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]: portal says GetLink PrimParams has 0.2 delay | |||
* [15:49] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: aaaaand in in in in this this this coooooooorner | |||
* [15:49] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: lol | |||
* [15:49] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]: oops wrong page | |||
* [15:49] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: Guys I'm going to have to go - past bed-time here. Thanks for the answers | |||
* [15:49] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: i am not calling anybody out | |||
* [15:49] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: thanks Sylvie!! | |||
* [15:49] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: tc | |||
* [15:49] [[User:Sylvie Grizot|Sylvie Grizot]]: bye | |||
* [15:50] [[User:Object: Hello,|Object: Hello,]]: Avatar! | |||
* [15:50] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: 10 minutes left | |||
* [15:50] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: snores | |||
* [15:50] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]: llGetLinkPrimitiveParams has no delay mentioned. Rex the page you linked to isn't the LINK version | |||
* [15:51] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: got it | |||
* [15:51] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: thanks:) | |||
* [15:51] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: default | |||
* { | |||
* state_entry() | |||
* { | |||
* integer count; | |||
* vector size; | |||
* for(count=0; count<100; count++) | |||
* { | |||
* size=llList2Vector(llGetLinkPrimitiveParams(0,[PRIM_SIZE]),0);] | |||
* } | |||
* llOwnerSay((string)llGetTime()); | |||
* | |||
* } | |||
* } | |||
* [15:51] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: for verification :) | |||
* [15:52] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]: I checked the code and didn't see any sleep added there | |||
* [15:52] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: llGetLinkPrimitiveParams is a new funtion after the delays were declared harmful ;) | |||
* [15:52] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: so no delay | |||
* [15:52] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: :) | |||
* [15:52] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: simon go ahead and add some sleep in there for rex cronon's avatar id | |||
* [15:52] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: to match his expectations | |||
* [15:52] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: lol | |||
* [15:52] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]: lol | |||
* [15:52] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: Sleep does sound good right now. | |||
* [15:52] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: lol | |||
* [15:53] [[User:Another Hax|Another Hax]]: not funny.. its good to point out error if you think you see it.. lol | |||
* [15:53] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: so on an entirely different topic... I bought a house yesterday | |||
* [15:53] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I'm kinda excited | |||
* [15:53] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: \o/ congrats | |||
* [15:53] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]: SL or FL Oskar? | |||
* [15:53] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: Right next to the LL office? :) | |||
* [15:53] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: it has a HUGE lan party room | |||
* [15:53] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: now the banks own you :P | |||
* [15:53] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: at the sacrifice of all other rooms though :-) | |||
* [15:53] [[User:Donlad Avro|Donlad Avro]]: Who needs other rooms? | |||
* [15:53] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: haha | |||
* [15:53] [[User:Alisha Matova|Alisha Matova]]: lulz, i just want to poke in before the end of the meeting and thank who ever fixed all the "copy selected" bugs in latest release. Yay! ill have to search for a new pet bug/jira now. =) | |||
* [15:54] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: the banks owns me and my three brothers. we went in together | |||
* [15:54] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]: llGetLinkPrimitiveParams executes 1400 times per second on this server | |||
* [15:54] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]: llGetLinkPrimitiveParams(0,[PRIM_SIZE]); i mean | |||
* [15:54] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: lol | |||
* [15:54] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: and this is an RL house | |||
* [15:54] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: OMG!! | |||
* [15:54] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]: Whe's the party, Oskar? | |||
* [15:54] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: north of Seattle in a month | |||
* [15:54] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: Oskar they own you | |||
* [15:54] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: now. if lsl could use real arrays and put lists to sleep:) | |||
* [15:54] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: you'll see the big red arrow in the sky | |||
* [15:54] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]: bellyham? | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: alright guys, I gotta run to another meeting | |||
* [15:55] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: lol | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Maestro Linden|Maestro Linden]]: thanks for coming! | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: tc | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: bye | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]: bye Maestro | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Moundsa Mayo|Moundsa Mayo]]: Thanks, Maestro! | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Moon Metty|Moon Metty]]: thanks Oskar Maestro Simon and Monty! | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Simon Linden|Simon Linden]]: I'm headed out too ... thanks everyone, see you next time. | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]: bye Simon | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]: take care guys :) | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: good meeting guys | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: hoping next week is quiet | |||
* [15:55] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: there you go Oskar :-) | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I always appreciate all the attendance | |||
* [15:55] [[User:Moundsa Mayo|Moundsa Mayo]]: Thanks, Simon! | |||
* [15:56] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: gave you Object. | |||
* [15:56] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: tc all those that r leaving | |||
* [15:56] [[User:Ima Mechanique|Ima Mechanique]]: bed time for me too. Night all | |||
* [15:56] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: i will get lots more people Oskar | |||
* [15:56] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: im trying to get 100 people | |||
* [15:56] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: :-) | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Moundsa Mayo|Moundsa Mayo]]: And of course, thanks Oskar and Monty. | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: so who is going to SLCC? | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: cannot make it :-( | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: tiggs should be there | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: skills! leave lonely alone | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Kitto Flora|Kitto Flora]]: Too far too spennsive | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Monty Linden|Monty Linden]]: bug him everybody! | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: you coming to SLCC phox? | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: fractured said he'd go lol | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: gonna buy me a drink? | |||
* [15:57] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: i can not go i no longer have money do to the hospital so i can not pay to go | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: time 4 me to go to main grid. should expect to feel additional delays besides what rausch delivers:) | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Marc Adored|Marc Adored]]: wish i could afford to :/ | |||
* [15:57] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: but i think he's scared | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: I assumed the Emerald team would be hosting a HUGE party | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Rex Cronon|Rex Cronon]]: bye everybody | |||
* [15:58] [[User:xstorm Radek|xstorm Radek]]: but if i had money i come | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Draconis Neurocam|Draconis Neurocam]]: he said he would go if anyone else was going with him | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: haha | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: he just needs a friend | |||
* [15:58] [[User:Draconis Neurocam|Draconis Neurocam]]: which i havent heard anyone say yes to | |||
* [15:59] [[User:Ovaltine Constantine|Ovaltine Constantine]]: :O | |||
* [15:59] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: would be fun for sure | |||
* [15:59] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: i wonder if woodbury will show up this year .__. | |||
* [15:59] [[User:Lonely Bluebird|Lonely Bluebird]]: Sorry, I was afk | |||
* [16:00] [[User:Lonely Bluebird|Lonely Bluebird]]: I might go to SLCC | |||
* [16:00] [[User:Lonely Bluebird|Lonely Bluebird]]: I'm not sure | |||
* [16:00] [[User:Lonely Bluebird|Lonely Bluebird]]: When is it again? | |||
* [16:00] [[User:Lonely Bluebird|Lonely Bluebird]]: Wait no, I decided I wouldn't go. | |||
* [16:00] [[User:Lonely Bluebird|Lonely Bluebird]]: I think? | |||
* [16:00] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]: I have to go, bye all | |||
* [16:01] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]: thank you Oskar | |||
* [16:01] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: there's a bar in SF called the emerald room | |||
* [16:01] [[User:RINOBIT Footman|RINOBIT Footman]]: . | |||
* [16:01] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: we could party there | |||
* [16:01] [[User:Skills Hak|Skills Hak]]: and yiff | |||
* [16:01] [[User:Ovaltine Constantine|Ovaltine Constantine]]: So, can you tell me which of my attachments uses the most time? Or is it just a reading for my whole av | |||
* [16:01] [[User:Oskar Linden|Oskar Linden]]: good meeting guys :-) |
Latest revision as of 21:06, 5 August 2010
This meeting was held on July 22nd, 2010
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Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for July 22nd, 2010:
- [15:00] xstorm Radek: hi boss
- [15:00] Moon Metty: hi Oskar!
- [15:00] Oskars Drag: Kart 1.2: You aren't the owner
- [15:00] xstorm Radek: he he he he he
- [15:00] RINOBIT Footman: hi all
- [15:00] Add On: Monty Linden detected in this region
- [15:01] xstorm Radek: is he
- [15:01] Psi Merlin: Hi Oskar, Monty
- [15:01] Monty Linden: hello
- [15:01] Oskar Linden: is a cloud
- [15:02] xstorm Radek: Oskar i see you
- [15:02] xstorm Radek: its your end
- [15:02] Latif Khalifa: Oskar is on a horse!
- [15:02] Sylvie Grizot: i see him too
- [15:02] xstorm Radek: ?
- [15:02] xstorm Radek: no he is not
- [15:02] Oskar Linden: I am the man your man could smell like
- [15:02] Oskar Linden: or something
- [15:02] xstorm Radek: he is balled and dress in black
- [15:02] xstorm Radek: lol
- [15:03] Donlad Avro: tight black bdsm leather
- [15:03] Oskar Linden: welcome once again to the beta server office hours
- [15:03] Ima Mechanique: hi Psi, Oskar, everyone
- [15:03] xstorm Radek: Oskar do you not wish to look like me ?
- [15:03] Rex Cronon: hello everybody
- [15:03] Oskar Linden: starring Oskar, Monty, Maestro, Simon and occasioanlly Kelly
- [15:03] Oskar Linden: the agenda is here: [1]
- [15:03] Psi Merlin: Hi Ima
- [15:03] Entering god: mode, level 200
- [15:04] Psi Merlin: Hello Everyone.
- [15:04] Oskar Linden: we really only have one thing to talk about this week
- [15:04] Oskar Linden: I just want to see how 1.40.4 is going
- [15:04] Oskar Linden: we've had a few issues pop up here and there
- [15:04] xstorm Radek: oh that reminds me Oskar sir i have been looking at 0 Prim Temp Rezzers they are not good for the health of a sims physics at all
- [15:04] Oskar Linden: but overall it seems like this version will take
- [15:05] Oskar Linden: xstorm is not good for the health of sim physics :-)
- [15:05] xstorm Radek: true
- [15:05] xstorm Radek: lol
- [15:06] Oskar Linden: but I appreciate it :-D
- [15:06] xstorm Radek: :-)
- [15:06] Oskar Linden: do any of you see anything major that would stop us from rolling 1.40.4 to the whole grid
- [15:07] Donlad Avro: no
- [15:07] Monty Linden: attachment problems?
- [15:07] Donlad Avro: :-)
- [15:07] xstorm Radek: no the 0 prim temp rezzers just need to be rescripted
- [15:07] Monty Linden: Donlad says we're good, Oskar. Let's do it.
- [15:07] Donlad Avro: lol
- [15:07] Oskar Linden: monty was following up on some crashers
- [15:07] xstorm Radek: there is a timing problem with them
- [15:07] Oskar Linden: but overall the issus have been minimal
- [15:08] Oskar Linden: some bots will need some tweaking
- [15:08] Sylvie Grizot: What about recovering the attachments that were lost in the initial rollout?
- [15:08] Oskar Linden: has anyone seen tp issues where they end up at 0/0/0 ?
- [15:08] Oskar Linden: Sylvie. attachment recovery issues fall into supports lap
- [15:08] Oskar Linden: there isn't anything I or the server team can do
- [15:08] xstorm Radek: Oskar you can get that with some bad sit and teleport scripts
- [15:08] Sylvie Grizot: Support just say to clear cache and relog.
- [15:09] Rex Cronon: i have TPed somewhere and suddenly the tp screen shows without me doing anything
- [15:09] Monty Linden: (and support is a bit angry with us at the moment)
- [15:09] Sylvie Grizot: Is there no Backup that can be retrieved?
- [15:09] Sylvie Grizot: lol
- [15:09] Ima Mechanique: no, only weirdness I've seen is sitting on object sticking me underground for 10-20 seconds. But that's not new ;-)
- [15:09] Donlad Avro: Sylvie, support is useless.
- [15:09] Oskar Linden: I saw the tp to 0/0/0 things once on my own. I was wondering if anyone else had just using a regular vwr and a plain tp
- [15:09] Donlad Avro: I never had that problem, Oskar
- [15:09] xstorm Radek: may be its a bad teleport script doing it ?
- [15:09] Oskar Linden: ok
- [15:10] Oskar Linden: I don't tp with scripts
- [15:10] Donlad Avro: I use Emerald, and 2.1 beta
- [15:10] xstorm Radek: yes but some people do
- [15:10] Flynn Tigerpaw: Did that happen with a regular tp with a landmark?
- [15:10] Rex Cronon: i hope u don't change to 1.40 on friday:)
- [15:10] Oskar Linden: right I know. I was mentioning that I saw it without any tp scripts
- [15:10] Sylvie Grizot: Sometimes I end up at 0 0 0 briefly on TP then arrive at the right place (normal TP)
- [15:10] xstorm Radek: i know i had to reset my home teleport do to it was messed up and sent me to zindra every time
- [15:11] Donlad Avro: well it says 0 0 0 when I get there until it completes the TP, but its never directly put me at 0 0 0
- [15:11] Oskar Linden: if anyone can find an adequate repro using a tp script on agni let me know
- [15:11] Oskar Linden: I had a stuck av at 0/0/0 for about 45s untl the tp finished
- [15:11] xstorm Radek: i never seen that other then with scripted items
- [15:11] Donlad Avro: Mine have only lasted 1-3 seconds
- [15:11] Another Hax: appearing at 0,0,0 on sit happens most often when using primparams to seat/move agent, right when sim is having issues
- [15:11] Simon Linden: I know there's a timing problem with region crossings (and possibly TPs) that can momentarily mess up your position
- [15:12] Sylvie Grizot: mine just briefly too
- [15:12] Donlad Avro: I use TP scripts and I also havent had any problems with them
- [15:12] Another Hax: missed a beat
- [15:12] Oskar Linden: so more or less thumbs up for 1.40.4?
- [15:12] Donlad Avro: yup
- [15:12] Donlad Avro: but...
- [15:12] xstorm Radek: well yes i can not drive any thing across a sim crossing
- [15:13] Oskar Linden: Donlad. I have always been curious. Was your name meant to be donald?
- [15:13] Rex Cronon: there something weird going on if u tp while sitting. when u arrive the sitting animation doesn't stop
- [15:13] RINOBIT Footman: I do not know if this depends on server 1.40, but I teleported from a sim with server 1.40 to a sim with server 1.38, and my avatar is stuck in grid, in the logout process ...It'is still blocked from two days ... : (
- [15:13] Oskar Linden: that is an old bug rex
- [15:13] Donlad Avro: I'm not real technical, I'm more of a consumer than a developer...I thought havok7 was supposed to be a performance improvement?
- [15:13] Ima Mechanique: yupOskar, isn't it ruse to ask someone if they are a typo?
- [15:13] Donlad Avro: Actually no Oskar, Donlad is a nickname given to me by a friend.. Donald is my real name though :-)
- [15:13] Sylvie Grizot: :-)
- [15:13] Oskar Linden: nice
- [15:14] Another Hax: finding yourself at 0,0,0 (visually) is an age old prob too
- [15:14] Moon Metty: RINOBIT , the region where you're stuck needs a restart
- [15:14] Oskar Linden: I was once given the suglebo and I don't know why
- [15:14] Oskar Linden: given the nickname I meant to say
- [15:14] Donlad Avro: hahaha
- [15:14] RINOBIT Footman: yes, but it's a PROTECDE LAND, owned by Governor Linden
- [15:14] RINOBIT Footman: I can't restart it
- [15:14] RINOBIT Footman: .)
- [15:14] Oskar Linden: havok 7 does have performance issues
- [15:14] Oskar Linden: but they may not be immediately apparent
- [15:14] xstorm Radek: well if its the Ontyne support they all need training
- [15:15] Oskar Linden: region transfer for ground based vehicles are slightly better
- [15:15] Sylvie Grizot: Agrees with xstorm
- [15:15] Sylvie Grizot: they don't read what you write
- [15:15] Oskar Linden: most of the enhancements were for ground based vehicles
- [15:15] Ima Mechanique: xstorm, they need more than training. a clue might help as they obviously don't have one
- [15:15] Donlad Avro: Ah
- [15:15] Oskar Linden: falcon has a lot more tweaks and enhancements coming
- [15:15] Sylvie Grizot: i know more than they do
- [15:15] Donlad Avro: Oh cool. 1.42? :)
- [15:15] Donlad Avro: lol
- [15:15] Oskar Linden: getting the h7 code up to date was the first step
- [15:15] xstorm Radek: but can the Ontyne read or just copy from the KB ?
- [15:15] Oskar Linden: 1.42 will be very very light
- [15:16] Oskar Linden: light and small
- [15:16] Oskar Linden: change wise I mean
- [15:16] Kitto Flora: Does 1.42 still have the fix for fins?
- [15:16] Donlad Avro: I suppose I was hoping 1.40 would be my savior in the Sim performance and lag area
- [15:16] Ovaltine Constantine: "Light" meaning it'll have http textures and threaded region crossing, right?
- [15:16] Oskar Linden: we are doing massive overhaul of internal processes
- [15:16] Oskar Linden: and are trying to make releases happen a lot faster
- [15:16] xstorm Radek: can there be a post about some temp rezzers may need restarting after roll out ?
- [15:17] Oskar Linden: sure xstorm. feel free :-)
- [15:17] xstorm Radek: gee thanks lol
- [15:17] Sylvie Grizot: Oskar, there is a balance to be found there - otherwise you get issues like all the lost Inventory on 20th June...
- [15:17] Oskar Linden: empowers you
- [15:17] Donlad Avro: My preference is smaller releases and more frequently... smaller releases make finding bugs easier, do they not? :)
- [15:17] Oskar Linden: balance for what Sylvie?
- [15:17] Another Hax: temp rezzers.. ignore thy neighbors temp prim limits
- [15:18] Sylvie Grizot: speed or rolling things out vs testing / load testing
- [15:18] Oskar Linden: smaller releases do not make finding bugs easier, but getting the fixes live happens faster
- [15:18] Sylvie Grizot: speed for*
- [15:18] Oskar Linden: agreed Sylvie
- [15:18] xstorm Radek: i do have a video of the temp rezzer script as it starts to go off line
- [15:18] Oskar Linden: testing will happen constantly
- [15:18] Ovaltine Constantine: Idk, the weekly Viewer 2 updates seem to be getting worse every time
- [15:18] Donlad Avro: Well then that's good. :)
- [15:18] Sylvie Grizot: ah okay, i see what you mean - like RAD
- [15:19] Oskar Linden: xstorm. message me on agni about the temp rezzer stuff this afternoon and get me back up to speed on that ok?
- [15:19] xstorm Radek: [2]
- [15:19] xstorm Radek: ok
- [15:19] Oskar Linden: this weekend will be the first big weekend for 1.40.4
- [15:19] Oskar Linden: I know you guys won't be shy if you find things out before we do
- [15:20] Oskar Linden: file a jira and let me know
- [15:20] Donlad Avro: Who was working on the Mono update? I forget.
- [15:20] xstorm Radek: i hope with the fix that it will not happen on Agni
- [15:20] Oskar Linden: we will make our decision on Tuesday whether to roll 1.40.4 to the whole grid
- [15:20] Oskar Linden: your input is always appreciated
- [15:20] Oskar Linden: I think kelly is doing most mono work these days Donlad
- [15:20] Marc Adored: babbage was mono wasnt it?
- [15:20] Sylvie Grizot: Oskar - could I ask about the "Object is missing from database" error - is it possible that items could be recovered from Backup if we give the exact name and creator Key, for example?
- [15:21] xstorm Radek: thats why i was hoping Trendone was going to get the 1.40 when it was sent to agni to test
- [15:21] Oskar Linden: you'll have to chat with Support Sylvie
- [15:21] Sylvie Grizot: Do you still have backups Inventory backups from 20th June?
- [15:21] Donlad Avro: Sylvie, the only thing Oskar can do is refer you to support. :-)
- [15:21] Oskar Linden: what Donlad said
- [15:21] Rex Cronon: i have the "Object is missing from database" error too. but i have no idea what is missing:(
- [15:21] Donlad Avro: And then support will refer you to the Clear Cache button. :-)
- [15:21] Sylvie Grizot: If I get an Ontyne they probably won't even know what backup is
- [15:22] xstorm Radek: do not bother with support the Ontyne are a bad joke
- [15:22] Sylvie Grizot: THey already did that Donlad
- [15:22] Latif Khalifa: is bracing for a lot of heat wrt 0/0/0 thing and libomv :P
- [15:22] Sylvie Grizot: I just want to know if there's a backup - if not there's no point in asking
- [15:22] Oskar Linden: ur bracing for heat Latif?
- [15:22] Rex Cronon: backup=a button on your keyboard that moves your computer one meter back:)
- [15:22] Donlad Avro: My point is... support (in my experience) won't give an object back that you lost.
- [15:22] Sylvie Grizot: lol Rex
- [15:22] Latif Khalifa: Oskar, I got 10 emails already
- [15:22] Sylvie Grizot: I didn't lose it
- [15:22] Sylvie Grizot: LL did
- [15:23] Donlad Avro: Let me correct myself
- [15:23] Donlad Avro: Support will not give you back an item that you and/or LL lost.
- [15:23] Oskar Linden: I have no special abilities that support doesn't have
- [15:23] Oskar Linden: I have no magic tool for re-creating lost inventory items
- [15:23] Oskar Linden: I wish I could be more help
- [15:23] Donlad Avro: And neither does support. :-)
- [15:23] Sylvie Grizot: i didn't mean that you had abilities, it was more the technical point about whether there woudl still be backups from 20th June
- [15:24] Ima Mechanique: I disagree Oskar, common sense and the ability to read what's in front of you are abilities you possess ;-)
- [15:24] Oskar Linden: be nice ima :-)
- [15:24] Sylvie Grizot: if there are, then it shoudl be possible via SQL to work out where the record is and copy/paste to live
- [15:24] Donlad Avro: I don't even think support has access to backups.
- [15:24] Ima Mechanique: umm that was nice
- [15:24] Oskar Linden: is happy he doesn't work in support. their job is very underappreciated.
- [15:24] Sylvie Grizot: wht's the point in having backups if you can't retrieve stuff ???
- [15:24] Rex Cronon: right now if u want backup u need to make an alt and to give to that alt all your inventory that is tranferrable:(
- [15:25] Donlad Avro: So that say, if an asset server blew up, they could replace it.
- [15:25] Rex Cronon: transferable*
- [15:25] Another Hax: this day an age of data storage.. you'd think you could keep track of everything (looks over at 3 1tb drives for txt info storage alone)
- [15:25] Simon Linden: fwiw there really aren't 'backup' of our databases ... I los t count of how many terabytes we are up to now. Its over 200, I think
- [15:25] xstorm Radek: Oskar the Ontyne group was reading to me some thing from the KB that i help in having posted
- [15:25] Flynn Tigerpaw: if an item got wiped, wouldn't everyone who had the item lose it?
- [15:26] Sylvie Grizot: okay thank you Simon
- [15:26] Oskar Linden: Anoterh Hax. do your drives get and additioanl 1tb of prims named 'object' every day?
- [15:26] Another Hax: I'd buy more drives
- [15:26] xstorm Radek: OMG!!
- [15:26] Oskar Linden: it's not that simple xstorm
- [15:27] Oskar Linden: we are working on the ability to have more felxible storage space
- [15:27] Another Hax: They are cheap now, much less than 1 dollar per gb
- [15:27] Oskar Linden: but we're not entirely there yet
- [15:27] Donlad Avro: LL server storage must get expensive. :-)
- [15:28] xstorm Radek: you will need to pee after that Skills
- [15:28] Sylvie Grizot: Yeah Flynn, it's the record of *me* having the object that's wiped - except the name of it is still in Inventory (and the properties eg Creator)
- [15:28] Oskar Linden: storage related issues are easily solved for small databases. when you get something like our inv server the whole game changes
- [15:28] Another Hax: trolling large info db sure does take awhile.. but i dont mind waiting to get back soemthing lost
- [15:28] Chaos Borkotron: So what would happen if concurrency doubled over night?
- [15:28] Oskar Linden: all that to say "I apologize for your loss" :-(
- [15:28] Sylvie Grizot: nods
- [15:29] Oskar Linden: if concurrency doubled overnight...
- [15:29] Oskar Linden: not sure I want to find out
- [15:29] Oskar Linden: :-)
- [15:29] Donlad Avro: haha
- [15:29] Sylvie Grizot: lol
- [15:29] Ima Mechanique: several Lindens would have nervous breakdowns
- [15:29] xstorm Radek: may be i can test the 2000 objects test and see how well autoretuns works too :-)]
- [15:29] Rex Cronon: and to think that if we had local inventory most of these "Object is missing from database" errors would be gone:(
- [15:29] Monty Linden: we're self-throttling, it can't happen. *snort*
- [15:30] Another Hax: true rex
- [15:30] Oskar Linden: local inv is a nasty pile of legal issues I won't even touch with a 10ft pole
- [15:30] Donlad Avro: Local inventory surely would open the door to a more easy copybot.
- [15:30] Rex Cronon: at least for thing we make
- [15:30] xstorm Radek: ? like to see if it can or not ?
- [15:30] Marc Adored: yes local inventory opens a whole nother can or worms
- [15:30] Another Hax: legal mostly
- [15:30] Oskar Linden: yeah
- [15:30] Rex Cronon: if u allow it only for thing u make there will be no worms in there:)
- [15:30] Skills Hak: mmm local inv
- [15:31] Oskar Linden: so this is a fairly light meeting today
- [15:31] Chaos Borkotron: can i throw "whats happening with mesh imports" into the mix, i know a lot of people who want to know
- [15:31] Flynn Tigerpaw: Sylvie, did you have more than 1 copy of the item in your inventory? (this inv thing has me confused)
- [15:31] Oskar Linden: we've talked about 1.40.4 and that seems mostly happy
- [15:31] Oskar Linden: thoughts on the enxt topic?
- [15:31] Chaos Borkotron: mesh importing
- [15:31] Sylvie Grizot: ~Flynn I'll IM you
- [15:31] Flynn Tigerpaw: ok
- [15:31] xstorm Radek: i think i can do a quick script that will pump out 20000 objects in a short time then send it to inventory
- [15:31] Oskar Linden: so you want me to comment on a project that is not officially public?
- [15:32] Rex Cronon: can't emerald do local inv already, skills:)
- [15:32] Maestro Linden: this is more of the old topic, but if anybody has more concrete details about SVC-6028, that would be helpful
- [15:32] Issue Helper: Issue does not exist... try again, Maestro Linden
- [15:32] Maestro Linden: o_O
- [15:32] Oskar Linden: I'd like that script xstorm :-)
- [15:32] Marc Adored: if he tells you about mesh imports he will have to kill you
- [15:32] Chaos Borkotron: yes, well its sort of public
- [15:32] Moon Metty: it was moved to SEC?
- [15:32] Maestro Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6028
- [15:32] Issue Helper: [#SVC-6028
- http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-6028
- [15:32] Oskar Linden: sure. let's talk about that
- [15:32] Oskar Linden: take it away Maestro
- [15:32] Chaos Borkotron: its been leaked, 2 video's and the SLCC one
- [15:33] Chaos Borkotron: wow chat lag
- [15:33] Maestro Linden: the report was just that an elevator broke somewhere, somehow. but that's not enough to go on :)
- [15:33] Oskar Linden: it's not leaked. we even gave a demo last year at SLCC
- [15:33] Oskar Linden: but it is not a public project that I can discuss
- [15:33] Chaos Borkotron: :(
- [15:34] Maestro Linden: if anybody sees other content like that, and knows it's broken in 1.40 but not in 1.38, let me (or better yet, jira) know
- [15:34] Rex Cronon: thre is a something that stops physical objects. when somebody selects them:(
- [15:34] Latif Khalifa: I thought Philip said "we will plan and develop in public", in his strategy statement
- [15:34] Oskar Linden: long time issue rex
- [15:34] Kitto Flora: Elevator running o na 'shaft' sticks?? Is that another fin problem?
- [15:34] Oskar Linden: which strategy statement Latif?
- [15:34] Rex Cronon: that could be what made the elevator stop
- [15:34] Latif Khalifa: Oskar, on the blog.... hold on a sec
- [15:35] Another Hax: there has to abe a line..
- [15:35] Maestro Linden: hm that's a possibility I suppose, kitto
- [15:35] Rex Cronon: [3]
- [15:35] Latif Khalifa: "The shift to shorter cycles with smaller deliverables should allow better community involvement and feedback. We will make our changes, develop code, and discuss plans in the open."
- [15:35] Latif Khalifa: eyah that one
- [15:36] Another Hax: lack of 'all'
- [15:36] Skills Hak: they're still talking about mesh details :x
- [15:36] Oskar Linden: he said that like last week. :-D
- [15:36] Oskar Linden: mesh has been private for more than a year
- [15:36] Skills Hak: i hope it won't get scrapped too
- [15:37] Rex Cronon: for some reason that blog keeps sending updates even though i set preferences to not get updates
- [15:37] Latif Khalifa: well let's hope that there will be no more "viewer2" type projects behind closed doors for years :)
- [15:37] Oskar Linden: +1
- [15:37] Rex Cronon: why so laggy here?
- [15:37] Skills Hak: there's BURN 2.0 now
- [15:37] Oskar Linden: I am always for more open involvement
- [15:37] Skills Hak: i loled
- [15:38] Skills Hak: i wonder if that was intentional
- [15:38] xstorm Radek: there has been simple mesh in SL for years the avatars , ground and some other things are a mesh so stop asking
- [15:38] Oskar Linden: Ovaltine Constantine wins the laggiest scripts award today
- [15:38] Another Hax: why so many scripted items around a meeting area?..
- [15:38] Ovaltine Constantine: YAY!
- [15:38] Oskar Linden: Matias is a close 2nd
- [15:38] Oskar Linden: then Donlad
- [15:38] Another Hax: laughs
- [15:38] Matias Warcliffe: :P
- [15:38] Oskar Linden: then Moundsa
- [15:38] Chaos Borkotron: whats the next "big project" to become public?
- [15:38] Oskar Linden: then Marc Adored
- [15:38] Oskar Linden: then Latif
- [15:38] Oskar Linden: in that order
- [15:39] Latif Khalifa: haha
- [15:39] Marc Adored: lol
- [15:39] Sylvie Grizot: Isn't lag partly a function of your computer spec as well? And your internet connection?
- [15:39] Oskar Linden: Chaos: probably going to be physics related
- [15:39] Rex Cronon: i think i could take 1st place if i start shooting:)
- [15:39] Oskar Linden: Falcon and I put llcastray on aditi 2 weeks ago
- [15:39] Monty Linden: we're working on localized smell
- [15:39] Oskar Linden: that is a new and open approach
- [15:39] Ovaltine Constantine: has been waiting for quite a while for a way to tell if I have laggy scripts without being an estate manager. You gives me that? I gives you less laggy scripts
- [15:39] xstorm Radek: wish for more scripted items i can do over a 1000 scripted items for you :-)
- [15:39] Sylvie Grizot: Try V2 Ovaltine-
- [15:39] Sylvie Grizot: it's in About Land
- [15:39] Oskar Linden: ok Ovaltine. You are laggy. :-)
- [15:39] Sylvie Grizot: even on Mainland
- [15:39] RINOBIT Footman: can I have this tool Oskar? to see who win the "laggiest scripts award"?
- [15:39] RINOBIT Footman: :)
- [15:40] Ovaltine Constantine: V2 shows memory, not time
- [15:40] Sylvie Grizot: tho only on land you own I think
- [15:40] Sylvie Grizot: ah right - good point
- [15:40] Ovaltine Constantine: And not even accurate memory
- [15:40] RINOBIT Footman: I think it is very useful
- [15:40] xstorm Radek: he is not there
- [15:40] RINOBIT Footman: :)
- [15:40] Sylvie Grizot: it will be better once Mono/LSL gets sorted?
- [15:40] Ovaltine Constantine: Oskar what object that I'm wearing is laggiest?
- [15:40] Oskar Linden: it will all be better in the future
- [15:40] xstorm Radek: odd
- [15:40] Ovaltine Constantine: (IS "laggiest" a word?)
- [15:40] Oskar Linden: gazes down the road wistfully
- [15:40] Sylvie Grizot: it is now
- [15:41] Skills Hak: oh do you know when the mono ugprade will happen yet?
- [15:41] xstorm Radek: Ovaltine to me your not there
- [15:41] Oskar Linden: no skills I do not
- [15:41] Skills Hak: and mono rez fix backport
- [15:41] Skills Hak: aw
- [15:41] Moundsa Mayo: Any improvement with my Mystitool Idled?
- [15:41] Marc Adored: so last meeting i attended was about castray but another subject came up about making radars more efficient by adding a function for gettiing avatar uuid's for that region im pretty interested in that :)
- [15:41] Rex Cronon: it would be pricesless to go to somebody on main grid, and say "why r u so laggy" lol
- [15:41] xstorm Radek: ok now ya there
- [15:41] xstorm Radek: that was odd
- [15:41] Oskar Linden: that's easy Rex
- [15:41] Oskar Linden: look for anyone with prim hair
- [15:41] Rex Cronon: how?
- [15:41] Rex Cronon: lol
- [15:41] Oskar Linden: :-)
- [15:42] Sylvie Grizot: hides her prim hair ;-)
- [15:42] Marc Adored: i have sexy prim hair so its probably got a high arc
- [15:42] Skills Hak: you can just use emerald and count scripts
- [15:42] Skills Hak: [15:39:03
- [15:42] Rex Cronon: don't u know not all prim hair is created equal? some use only one script to resize:)
- [15:42] Oskar Linden: is bald under this hoody
- [15:42] Marc Adored: my hair has no scripts :P
- [15:42] Sylvie Grizot: mine has no resizer and not much transparent I think
- [15:42] Donlad Avro: [15:42
- [15:42] Donlad Avro: :-)
- [15:42] Oskar Linden: new ones made with 1,.38's fast lsl script functions should be ok
- [15:42] Oskar Linden: or more ok
- [15:43] Sylvie Grizot: "1,.38's fast lsl script functions" ???
- [15:43] Ovaltine Constantine: Can you tell which object of mine causes the most lag? I'd laugh if it was the rings
- [15:43] RINOBIT Footman: but the "count script" does not detect the attachment as HUD...
- [15:43] Rex Cronon: sadly oskar the new resize scripts can't reach their true potential:(
- [15:43] Oskar Linden: what is their true potential rex?
- [15:43] Rex Cronon: there is no llgetlinkparametersFAST :(
- [15:43] Another Hax: counting scripts doesnt tell you how laggy they are..one script could be your prob
- [15:43] Oskar Linden: well the mother script that sets the prim params should know the prim params right?
- [15:44] Marc Adored: i think thateither announcing on a negative channel an avatar leaving or coming or a single function to return an avatar list would greatly reduce lag due to sensor heavy scanners that use probs
- [15:44] Ovaltine Constantine: llGetLinkPrimitiveParams is "Fast" even though it doesn't have "Fast" in the name
- [15:44] Another Hax: my hud with 70 odd scripts is less laggy than most huds with 10 scripts
- [15:44] Rex Cronon: llGetLinkPrimitiveParams has 0.2 miliseconds built-in delay:(
- [15:44] Donlad Avro: One of my HUDs has 50 scripts. :-)
- [15:45] Simon Linden: cringes thinking about how much data that means for TPs and crossings
- [15:45] xstorm Radek: inventory retun cap ?
- [15:45] Rex Cronon: the mother script doesn't have enough mem to hold pos and size of each prim
- [15:45] Another Hax: only 70 as i havent imp floating text on child prims yet..that'll drop at least 20
- [15:45] Donlad Avro: I think "Script Count" should definitely including scripts inside of HUDs worn as well.
- [15:46] Rex Cronon: if there is not enough mem the mother script has to use llGetLinkPrimitiveParams to get links values:(
- [15:46] Maestro Linden: rex, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams has 0 delay
- [15:47] Oskar Linden: odelay
- [15:47] Oskar Linden: hah
- [15:47] Oskar Linden: sorry
- [15:47] Maestro Linden: ... i'm pretty sure, at least
- [15:47] Rex Cronon: not according to this [4]
- [15:47] Oskar Linden: ruh roh
- [15:47] Maestro Linden: i'm talking about the link version
- [15:47] Oskar Linden: rex is calling maestro out!
- [15:48] Maestro Linden: that's the non-link one :)
- [15:48] Oskar Linden: maestro fights back
- [15:48] Marc Adored: here you go rex: list llGetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast( integer link, list params ) { return llGetLinkPrimitiveParams(link, params); }
- [15:48] Donlad Avro: Oskar makes a great announcer. Who agrees? :-)
- [15:48] Oskar Linden: :-D
- [15:48] Alpha 5: Ready! Type 'bs help' for a list of commands.
- [15:48] Oskar Linden: that's what we need; a voice font for an announcer
- [15:48] Marc Adored: i hooked you up :)
- [15:48] Ima Mechanique: portal says GetLink PrimParams has 0.2 delay
- [15:49] Oskar Linden: aaaaand in in in in this this this coooooooorner
- [15:49] Sylvie Grizot: lol
- [15:49] Ima Mechanique: oops wrong page
- [15:49] Sylvie Grizot: Guys I'm going to have to go - past bed-time here. Thanks for the answers
- [15:49] Rex Cronon: i am not calling anybody out
- [15:49] Oskar Linden: thanks Sylvie!!
- [15:49] Rex Cronon: tc
- [15:49] Sylvie Grizot: bye
- [15:50] Object: Hello,: Avatar!
- [15:50] Oskar Linden: 10 minutes left
- [15:50] Donlad Avro: snores
- [15:50] Ima Mechanique: llGetLinkPrimitiveParams has no delay mentioned. Rex the page you linked to isn't the LINK version
- [15:51] Rex Cronon: got it
- [15:51] Rex Cronon: thanks:)
- [15:51] Maestro Linden: default
- {
- state_entry()
- {
- integer count;
- vector size;
- for(count=0; count<100; count++)
- {
- size=llList2Vector(llGetLinkPrimitiveParams(0,[PRIM_SIZE]),0);]
- }
- llOwnerSay((string)llGetTime());
- }
- }
- [15:51] Maestro Linden: for verification :)
- [15:52] Simon Linden: I checked the code and didn't see any sleep added there
- [15:52] Latif Khalifa: llGetLinkPrimitiveParams is a new funtion after the delays were declared harmful ;)
- [15:52] Latif Khalifa: so no delay
- [15:52] Rex Cronon: :)
- [15:52] Oskar Linden: simon go ahead and add some sleep in there for rex cronon's avatar id
- [15:52] Oskar Linden: to match his expectations
- [15:52] Latif Khalifa: lol
- [15:52] Ima Mechanique: lol
- [15:52] Donlad Avro: Sleep does sound good right now.
- [15:52] Rex Cronon: lol
- [15:53] Another Hax: not funny.. its good to point out error if you think you see it.. lol
- [15:53] Oskar Linden: so on an entirely different topic... I bought a house yesterday
- [15:53] Oskar Linden: I'm kinda excited
- [15:53] Latif Khalifa: \o/ congrats
- [15:53] Ima Mechanique: SL or FL Oskar?
- [15:53] Donlad Avro: Right next to the LL office? :)
- [15:53] Oskar Linden: it has a HUGE lan party room
- [15:53] Latif Khalifa: now the banks own you :P
- [15:53] Oskar Linden: at the sacrifice of all other rooms though :-)
- [15:53] Donlad Avro: Who needs other rooms?
- [15:53] Skills Hak: haha
- [15:53] Alisha Matova: lulz, i just want to poke in before the end of the meeting and thank who ever fixed all the "copy selected" bugs in latest release. Yay! ill have to search for a new pet bug/jira now. =)
- [15:54] Oskar Linden: the banks owns me and my three brothers. we went in together
- [15:54] Moon Metty: llGetLinkPrimitiveParams executes 1400 times per second on this server
- [15:54] Moon Metty: llGetLinkPrimitiveParams(0,[PRIM_SIZE]); i mean
- [15:54] xstorm Radek: lol
- [15:54] Oskar Linden: and this is an RL house
- [15:54] xstorm Radek: OMG!!
- [15:54] Kitto Flora: Whe's the party, Oskar?
- [15:54] Oskar Linden: north of Seattle in a month
- [15:54] xstorm Radek: Oskar they own you
- [15:54] Rex Cronon: now. if lsl could use real arrays and put lists to sleep:)
- [15:54] Oskar Linden: you'll see the big red arrow in the sky
- [15:54] Kitto Flora: bellyham?
- [15:55] Maestro Linden: alright guys, I gotta run to another meeting
- [15:55] xstorm Radek: lol
- [15:55] Maestro Linden: thanks for coming!
- [15:55] Rex Cronon: tc
- [15:55] Skills Hak: bye
- [15:55] Ima Mechanique: bye Maestro
- [15:55] Moundsa Mayo: Thanks, Maestro!
- [15:55] Moon Metty: thanks Oskar Maestro Simon and Monty!
- [15:55] Simon Linden: I'm headed out too ... thanks everyone, see you next time.
- [15:55] Ima Mechanique: bye Simon
- [15:55] Latif Khalifa: take care guys :)
- [15:55] Oskar Linden: good meeting guys
- [15:55] Monty Linden: hoping next week is quiet
- [15:55] xstorm Radek: there you go Oskar :-)
- [15:55] Oskar Linden: I always appreciate all the attendance
- [15:55] Moundsa Mayo: Thanks, Simon!
- [15:56] xstorm Radek: gave you Object.
- [15:56] Rex Cronon: tc all those that r leaving
- [15:56] Ima Mechanique: bed time for me too. Night all
- [15:56] xstorm Radek: i will get lots more people Oskar
- [15:56] xstorm Radek: im trying to get 100 people
- [15:56] Oskar Linden: :-)
- [15:57] Moundsa Mayo: And of course, thanks Oskar and Monty.
- [15:57] Oskar Linden: so who is going to SLCC?
- [15:57] Oskar Linden: cannot make it :-(
- [15:57] Monty Linden: tiggs should be there
- [15:57] Oskar Linden: skills! leave lonely alone
- [15:57] Kitto Flora: Too far too spennsive
- [15:57] Monty Linden: bug him everybody!
- [15:57] Oskar Linden: you coming to SLCC phox?
- [15:57] Skills Hak: fractured said he'd go lol
- [15:57] Oskar Linden: gonna buy me a drink?
- [15:57] xstorm Radek: i can not go i no longer have money do to the hospital so i can not pay to go
- [15:57] Rex Cronon: time 4 me to go to main grid. should expect to feel additional delays besides what rausch delivers:)
- [15:57] Marc Adored: wish i could afford to :/
- [15:57] Skills Hak: but i think he's scared
- [15:58] Oskar Linden: I assumed the Emerald team would be hosting a HUGE party
- [15:58] Rex Cronon: bye everybody
- [15:58] xstorm Radek: but if i had money i come
- [15:58] Draconis Neurocam: he said he would go if anyone else was going with him
- [15:58] Skills Hak: haha
- [15:58] Oskar Linden: he just needs a friend
- [15:58] Draconis Neurocam: which i havent heard anyone say yes to
- [15:59] Ovaltine Constantine: :O
- [15:59] Skills Hak: would be fun for sure
- [15:59] Skills Hak: i wonder if woodbury will show up this year .__.
- [15:59] Lonely Bluebird: Sorry, I was afk
- [16:00] Lonely Bluebird: I might go to SLCC
- [16:00] Lonely Bluebird: I'm not sure
- [16:00] Lonely Bluebird: When is it again?
- [16:00] Lonely Bluebird: Wait no, I decided I wouldn't go.
- [16:00] Lonely Bluebird: I think?
- [16:00] RINOBIT Footman: I have to go, bye all
- [16:01] RINOBIT Footman: thank you Oskar
- [16:01] Skills Hak: there's a bar in SF called the emerald room
- [16:01] RINOBIT Footman: .
- [16:01] Skills Hak: we could party there
- [16:01] Skills Hak: and yiff
- [16:01] Ovaltine Constantine: So, can you tell me which of my attachments uses the most time? Or is it just a reading for my whole av
- [16:01] Oskar Linden: good meeting guys :-)