This meeting was held on April 27th, 2010

Agenda

Discuss resolution of previous open items.
Updates
- 1.40 is on ADITI
- How are things looking?
- Bug filing tips:
  - https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/Dashboard.jspa
  - Click "Create New Issue"
  - Select Project: "2. Second Life Service - SVC"
  - Select Issue Type: "Bug"
  - Choose Affects Version/s: 1.40 Server (Unreleased Version)
    - If you know it's a Havok 7 bug you can select "Havok 7 Beta" for the Affects Version/s.
  - Be verbose and descriptive.
  - Be sure to add your evnironment.
Releases
Any other business
- what you want to talk about goes here.
SVC-255 (Solid invisible Ghost Prims)
SVC-3181 (Ghosted avatars)

Resolved Items

Meeting Minutes

Transcript

Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for April 27th, 2010:

[15:03] Oskar Linden: ok
[15:03] Oskar Linden: I am going to run with the same agenda as last week
[15:03] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta_Server_Office_Hours
[15:03] Oskar Linden: we are talking about 1.40 testing
[15:03] Oskar Linden: it's been a week
[15:03] Oskar Linden: who has found the most bugs?
[15:04] FireFox Breed: has one
[15:04] Kitto Flora: has 1
[15:04] Motor Loon: not it!
[15:04] Oskar Linden: ok. who has filed the most bugs ? :-D
[15:04] SHAMUS Carter: im glad that child prim bug is fixed
[15:04] ANSI Soderstrom: i found nothing, i had a lazy SL week
[15:04] Motor Loon: know the person who found the most has to run around the sim naked for hour
[15:04] Kitto Flora: is trying to file a bug, but it s a resurface of a H4 bug and is hard to find.
[15:05] FireFox Breed: just found a weapon that works fine ont he maid grid that crashs h7. found it yesterday n did not get a bug report filed yet
[15:05] Oskar Linden: please file that ASAP FireFox
[15:05] xstorm Radek: :-)
[15:05] SHAMUS Carter: yes file your h7 bug reoprts
[15:05] Oskar Linden: whatever you guys haven't gotten in please get filed today if possible
[15:05] xstorm Radek: i hope Falcon gets to see it
[15:06] Simon Linden: I hope that's the one we just fixed
[15:06] Oskar Linden: we are doing a daily analysis of the shippable state and I need to know about the crashers
[15:06] Oskar Linden: hopes so as well
[15:06] Oskar Linden: hey Simon. :-) long time no see
[15:06] FireFox Breed: yea will do. mostly we are grabbign everyone we can find to use all the weapons they collected so far. also pushing to get people on the grid to do general stress testing sl combat style
[15:06] Simon Linden: hey! I like the new AV :)
[15:06] FireFox Breed: the weapon is in my hand also, grenade crahs sims
[15:06] Oskar Linden: yeah I added a ton of your guys today I think
[15:07] FireFox Breed: i turned the juice up on the cattle prong >.>
[15:07] Oskar Linden: thanks!
[15:07] xstorm Radek: Oskar there is a group of people that are crashing sims on Agni too and i have been trying to get all the data from them crash looked at too
[15:07] SHAMUS Carter: and rember no small bug is to small
[15:07] Ovaltine Constantine: Whats the status of the region crossing improvement? I heard it had been turned off because it caused problems. Has it been fixed / turned back on yet?
[15:07] Oskar Linden: file it in a sec jira with whatever info you have xstorm and we can look into it
[15:08] Oskar Linden: no Ovaltine
[15:08] Oskar Linden: mabe for 1.42
[15:08] SHAMUS Carter: was not thread safe?
[15:08] Rex Cronon: greetings everybody
[15:08] xstorm Radek: lol ok
[15:08] Simon Linden: The region crossing fixes are next on my list
[15:08] FireFox Breed: also do you think it is possable we could have a sim, that is sl damage that we can set homepoints on? even better if the sim we use for sl combat could be brought online on the beta grid, i can pack it with 30 people easlyt
[15:08] Ovaltine Constantine: What problems did it cause? (Or is it a secret?)
[15:08] Simon Linden: Right Shamus ... we actually found that the LLSD class (it's low level, also used on the viewer) wasn't thread safe
[15:09] Offset animations: Reset.
[15:09] xstorm Radek: i know i have lost 4 air crafts on crossings lol
[15:09] Oskar Linden: FireFox what about the combat testing sims?
[15:09] Kitto Flora: Simon, what can you fix on region crossings?
[15:09] FireFox Breed: we can not set homepoints
[15:09] SHAMUS Carter: so use a land mark
[15:10] Simon Linden: The code that will hopefully go in 1.42 will make it better for other folks in the regoin ... they will get less lag when people TP in or objects and AVs region cross
[15:10] Lestat Umarov: The problem with doing that is every time someone enters the sim it lags.
[15:10] FireFox Breed: that would work but then you get the lag of tping in and out
[15:10] Eddi Decosta: heya sorry my interupt
[15:10] Kitto Flora: OK
[15:10] Williamca Zenovka: Well, what we want to do is a rather large stress test. With a one sim combat, with a hub point for people to set homes. This way to test physics, failed tps, and various other things.
[15:10] xstorm Radek: your getting lag when you TP ?
[15:11] Latif Khalifa: sends obligatory reminder to Simon not to forget derez/agent leaving, which is just as bad :)
[15:11] FireFox Breed: yea mono lag and when peole go into the sim while its under stress, it locks for 1 sec
[15:11] SHAMUS Carter: the tp lag still has not been fixed as there fix was broke and it's a mono bug
[15:11] xstorm Radek: only a sec lag
[15:11] SHAMUS Carter: they need to up there disto or somthing
[15:12] Eddi Decosta: lag? what t?!?
[15:12] FireFox Breed: when you got over 60 objects rezing and de rezing every second it puts alot of stress on it. so little things like people coming into the sim n the mono issue locks the sim up
[15:12] Eddi Decosta: lol
[15:12] Oskar Linden: yeah. there are a lot of things waiting on mono getting upgraded
[15:12] Simon Linden: Thanks Latif ... we've looked into it and it's on our performance task list, but the best fix is more far reaching than I thought, so we haven't gone deeper
[15:12] Latif Khalifa: i don't believe in the distro story :P if they wait debian to get mono 2.6 it will be years from now lol
[15:12] Drew Dwi: sim locking up in combat and on tps has existed long before mono
[15:12] FireFox Breed: true but it has gotten a little worse
[15:12] Latif Khalifa: it's not even in debian-testing
[15:13] SHAMUS Carter: when in doubt script your atachments in lsl ;P
[15:13] Master Starship: simmion will that also cut down on the lag due to images loading (on the server side)
[15:13] xstorm Radek: just hold out for C#
[15:13] FireFox Breed: also with objects corssing sims, we use a 2 sim setup and there is some issues with it. such as objects going into one from the other and the sim tring to keep a time d above .4
[15:14] SHAMUS Carter: large number of av in sim == lag
[15:14] SHAMUS Carter: always has
[15:14] FireFox Breed: yep
[15:14] Lestat Umarov: Which can be prevented to some extent if they can set homepoints.
[15:14] Oskar Linden: lots of unkown / unctrollable variables == perceived lag
[15:14] SHAMUS Carter: yep
[15:14] SHAMUS Carter: client lag is not server lag
[15:14] Oskar Linden: so how does 1.40 look overall to you guys?
[15:14] Oskar Linden: minus the crashers that we are working on
[15:14] SHAMUS Carter: so are so good
[15:15] SHAMUS Carter: im just gald that child prim bug got fixed
[15:15] FireFox Breed: we dont know yet we have not done any real testing. some of the bullets are working better
[15:15] Motor Loon: looks pretty shiny
[15:15] FireFox Breed: digs in the forums
[15:15] xstorm Radek: there needs to be better stats tools
[15:15] Arokh Takakura: Keller has been doing some weapons testing.
[15:15] Oskar Linden: so our plan is to close up 1.40 this week if at all possible and begin deploy testing next week
[15:15] Oskar Linden: 1.40 will still be here all weekend and next week for testing
[15:15] SHAMUS Carter: wow that fast
[15:15] xstorm Radek: the old stats system is poor for bug testing
[15:15] Oskar Linden: we do deploy testing privavtely on damballah
[15:15] Kitto Flora: Oskar: Looks good except for the worse edge-fin collision problem. And touch-passing
[15:16] Oskar Linden: but if major issues are found next week that are showstoppers we can still get fixes in
[15:16] FireFox Breed: nods
[15:16] Kitto Flora: edge-fin is Havok7. Touch passing is a big problem. Breaks mucho content
[15:16] FireFox Breed: we will test as many weapons as we can to see if anything crashs the sim
[15:16] FireFox Breed: such as the one in my hand
[15:17] Oskar Linden: after deploy testing passes we pilot to agni 20%
[15:17] Oskar Linden: so if anyone has anythings super imortant to tell me about 1.40 now is the time
[15:18] SHAMUS Carter: it looks shiny
[15:18] Oskar Linden: besdies the usual culprits
[15:18] Oskar Linden: :-p
[15:18] Oskar Linden: chat lag
[15:18] Tayste Waydelich: c:
[15:18] Oskar Linden: yadda yadda
[15:18] ANSI Soderstrom: bte, when LL can fix the chat issues, because SL is a chat...
[15:18] ANSI Soderstrom: *btw
[15:18] Ovaltine Constantine: So how long till 1.42? (Real question: how long until we get region crossing improvements that aren't rolled back 5 minutes later)
[15:18] Oskar Linden: SL is a chat?
[15:19] xstorm Radek: Oskar may i ask if server ver 1.40 do get on to Agni can there please be a way to stop a item scrip that may crash the sim or log the scrips that attack a sim in such a way as to crash it ?
[15:19] Monty Linden: *meow*
[15:19] Oskar Linden: how do you really feel Ovaltine? ;-)
[15:19] Oskar Linden: I don't know Ovaltine
[15:19] SHAMUS Carter: why has group chat scailed so porly
[15:19] Rex Cronon: what we do right now it is called chatting. right:)
[15:19] Oskars Drag: Kart 1.2: You aren't the owner
[15:19] Oskar Linden: we will take the next set of fixes and QA them the same as the current set of fixes
[15:19] Oskar Linden: if they cause horrible perfomance we will roll them back in 5 minutes
[15:19] ANSI Soderstrom: or make a joint venture with irc, its all better like the actual situation
[15:19] Oskar Linden: or 4 even
[15:19] Eddi Decosta: wb Jonathan
[15:20] FireFox Breed: lestat
[15:20] Lestat Umarov: What?
[15:20] SHAMUS Carter: xmpp ;-)
[15:20] Oskar Linden: re: group chat lag. there is a lot of internal discussion
[15:20] Oskar Linden: it affects us just the same as you
[15:20] FireFox Breed: lets get all of terra in here and find so many bugs thay lauch is delayed to fix :D
[15:20] Oskar Linden: people are working on it
[15:20] Lestat Umarov: :/
[15:20] Oskar Linden: I just don't know the progress or plan
[15:20] Psi Merlin: needs to check touch passing - having got back from traveling and noticing the lack of response from non root prims
[15:20] FireFox Breed: nod nods
[15:21] Oskar Linden: hey milo
[15:21] Oskar Linden: wasn't touch passing fixed?
[15:21] ANSI Soderstrom: :) nice to hear
[15:21] SHAMUS Carter: yep seams to be
[15:21] Milo Linden: yes but not pushed out yet
[15:21] Monty Linden: touch passing pjira?
[15:21] Oskar Linden: ok. that's good
[15:21] Eddi Decosta: yeah Oskar i have noticed that this last weekend, with some [recipent
[15:21] xstorm Radek: Oskar if the griefers find out about the crash testing we are doing they may start attacking the meetings on Agni
[15:21] Oskar Linden: oh right
[15:21] SHAMUS Carter: my huds works
[15:21] Oskar Linden: the 'lil' hidden code
[15:21] Tayste Waydelich: Can we get a maximum cycles-per-user check on scripts? Or, alterativel, a maximum number of scripts per T seconds?
[15:21] Oskar Linden: Lil decided to take this week to move into an ossm SF bachelor pad
[15:21] Oskar Linden: now he has to do the comcast waiting game
[15:22] Oskar Linden: and he has the keys to the next aditi code batch
[15:22] xstorm Radek: lol
[15:22] Moundsa Mayo: RL first!
[15:22] Oskar Linden: Tayste: this isn't really the palce for feature reqeusts. I mean you can tell me what you want but I can't make it happen
[15:22] Oskar Linden: we are vested in testing what is given to us that it works as well as we can make it
[15:23] Tayste Waydelich: Just tossing it out, no expectations here c:
[15:23] Oskar Linden: ok
[15:23] FireFox Breed: anyone got a viewer that can asset uuids? need the one for this weapon im holding
[15:23] Oskar Linden: milo anything you have to add?
[15:23] Williamca Zenovka: I can.
[15:23] Milo Linden: hopefully have a server update either tonight or tomorrow morning
[15:24] Oskar Linden: yeah we really need one
[15:24] SHAMUS Carter: and 1.40 will not kill bunneys right?
[15:24] Oskar Linden: fix up the last of the holes
[15:24] Oskar Linden: you tell me SHAMUS
[15:24] Oskar Linden: u tested bunnehs?
[15:24] SHAMUS Carter: no
[15:24] Oskar Linden: alexa will kill me if they do die
[15:25] Lestat Umarov: check im's ff
[15:25] Eddi Decosta: doh, the bunny is dangerous some time :p
[15:25] FireFox Breed: haha i got 3 different uuids
[15:25] SHAMUS Carter: but since the mono fix is not in it prob;y no wory
[15:26] Ima Mechanique: apologies for my tardiness, just got home
[15:26] SHAMUS Carter: *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*No Problem!!!!*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*
[15:26] Oskar Linden: np Ima
[15:26] Oskar Linden: thanks for coming
[15:26] Oskar Linden: we have been chatting about 1.40
[15:26] Oskar Linden: obviously
[15:26] Oskar Linden: any input Ima?
[15:27] Ima Mechanique: of course. I'll cath up with the log. don't want to hold things up
[15:27] Ima Mechanique: input no. been too busy this week
[15:28] Oskar Linden: np
[15:28] Oskar Linden: so I think we have a holiday next week
[15:28] Rex Cronon: i wonder how hard it would be for h7 to simulate air resistance:)
[15:28] Oskar Linden: except for milo
[15:28] Eddi Decosta: hehe i love thisbubble game
[15:28] Oskar Linden: he'll be working
[15:28] Oskar Linden: that luck brit
[15:28] Oskar Linden: lucky
[15:28] Milo Linden: we have that day off too :P
[15:28] Oskar Linden: what?
[15:28] Oskar Linden: who ok'd that?
[15:29] Oskar Linden: not cool
[15:29] Milo Linden: :P
[15:29] Oskar Linden: who is going to do the deploy testing
[15:29] Milo Linden: i though the killer robots could do it
[15:29] SHAMUS Carter: hurry and depollytonight?
[15:29] Motor Loon: It's just pressing the red button and run right?
[15:30] Oskar Linden: KillerRobot1 Tester
[15:30] Milo Linden: duck and cover
[15:30] Oskar Linden: KillerRobot42 Tester has been acting up again
[15:30] Motor Loon: Just lure Jack into doing it
[15:30] Milo Linden: yea he turned and went russian
[15:30] FireFox Breed: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5861 did i do it right?
[15:30] Issue Helper: [#SVC-5861
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-5861
[15:31] Oskar Linden: let me see
[15:31] Oskar Linden: yeah
[15:31] Oskar Linden: nice job
[15:31] xstorm Radek: Oskar may i look in to what is making Agni crash so i may have a better understanding of the physics of the crash of the sim and why Aditi crash too
[15:31] FireFox Breed: \( o)/
[15:31] Oskar Linden: thanks for being thorough
[15:32] Maestro Linden: or you can just give milo a copy, if your'e in doubt about the uuid
[15:32] FireFox Breed: i dont have it full perm
[15:32] Kitto Flora: Whats the status of DEV-9559 ?
[15:32] Milo Linden: whats it called in your inventory
[15:33] FireFox Breed: Titan Industries M468
[15:33] ANSI Soderstrom: dev-9559 ?
[15:33] Issue Helper: Issue does not exist... try again, ANSI Soderstrom
[15:33] xstorm Radek: i just do not need any one to start thinking when i show up at a crash sim and start asking how did it crash to have people think im crashing them :-S
[15:34] Monty Linden: SVC-1213?
[15:34] Issue Helper: [#SVC-1213
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-1213?
[15:34] Oskar Linden: xstorm. try to do all crashing testing here
[15:34] Oskar Linden: if you do crashing testing on AGNI you might get banned
[15:35] SHAMUS Carter: yes crasing agni is a no no
[15:35] Kitto Flora: Mounds found it - SVC-2006
[15:35] Issue Helper: [#SVC-2006
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-2006
[15:35] Milo Linden: we have regions running here thats running the same code as agni
[15:35] Kitto Flora: Thats the entry with all the comments - it appears to be worse in Havok7
[15:35] SHAMUS Carter: crasing aditi if you wright jirrs is encuraged
[15:35] xstorm Radek: i do the testing on Aditi but i look at the sims that are crashed on Agni i do not crash Agni
[15:36] Eddi Decosta: crashing aditi? lol
[15:36] Moundsa Mayo: I've observed that too.
[15:36] xstorm Radek: yes i crash Aditi only way to test why and what crash it
[15:36] Oskar Linden: at least 1 1.38.6 region
[15:36] Monty Linden: dev-9559/svc-1213/dev-11061/svc-832 was supposedly fixed 2 years ago....
[15:36] Issue Helper: Issue does not exist... try again, Monty Linden
[15:36] Oskar Linden: heh
[15:36] Monty Linden: haha confused the helper
[15:37] xstorm Radek: lol
[15:37] ANSI Soderstrom: :p
[15:37] Oskar Linden: dev-oskarhasissues
[15:37] Issue Helper: Issue does not exist... try again, Oskar Linden
[15:37] SHAMUS Carter: •*•.. HahahaA •*•..
[15:37] Oskar Linden: :-p
[15:37] SHAMUS Carter: dev-dev
[15:37] Issue Helper: Issue does not exist... try again, SHAMUS Carter
[15:37] Eddi Decosta: lol crap double click again
[15:38] Kitto Flora: SVC-1213 was never fixed. Its still open, it caused the demise of many products, notably the LL railroad
[15:38] Issue Helper: [#SVC-1213
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-1213
[15:38] Kitto Flora: (the LL cars)
[15:38] FireFox Breed: honistly
[15:38] Oskar Linden: I see someone added 2 jiras to the any other business section SVC-255 and SVC-3181
[15:38] Issue Helper: [#SVC-255
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-255
[15:38] Oskar Linden: not sure those are getting fixed anytime soon
[15:38] Moundsa Mayo: Yes - they are trying to run at 16mps at rez and only make it a little way before derailing.
[15:38] Williamca Zenovka: It happens with our tanks, to which we had to generate a fix via cylinder like prims on the base to make it smoother.
[15:39] Moundsa Mayo: Or were, until the system was disabled.
[15:39] ANSI Soderstrom: nice thant we are talked about oskar O.o
[15:39] ANSI Soderstrom: *notice make -> not soon
[15:39] xstorm Radek: Oskar yester day 2 OH meetings was crashed by griefers one was Nyx the other was the DOC ment team meeting i asked Kate Linden to send crash logs to Falcon to see if its the same type of crash
[15:39] Rex Cronon: svc1213 should be renamed "bumping over hairline fractures" :)
[15:40] Oskar Linden: it probably isn't xstorm
[15:40] FireFox Breed: hehe
[15:40] Oskar Linden: nyx is smart enough to do some debugging of his own
[15:40] Oskar Linden: he might have filed it internally
[15:40] Oskar Linden: not sure
[15:40] Monty Linden: laughs at Nyx getting griefed
[15:40] Oskar Linden: oh man... I just realized it is 10 past bee o'clock in the Seattle office
[15:41] Rex Cronon: things don't look good if the favorite sport becomes crashing lindens OH:(
[15:41] Oskar Linden: wow these guys get started early
[15:41] FireFox Breed: least its harder to crash sims then it was before
[15:41] Ima Mechanique: /
[15:41] FireFox Breed: but just means you need to be a little more educated on how to do it
[15:41] Ima Mechanique: bee o'clocl?
[15:41] Moundsa Mayo: Nyx nixed! Details at 11!!
[15:41] Oskar Linden: we've done pretty good this year with knocking down a lot of serious sim crasher
[15:41] Oskar Linden: beer o'clock
[15:41] Oskar Linden: oops
[15:41] xstorm Radek: if it works the same way do to collision and a form of physics then is the crash not under the same class as whats crashing it ?
[15:41] Maestro Linden: bee o'clock doesn't sound nearly as fun as beer o'clock
[15:41] Monty Linden: Guess we'll reanimate svc-1213
[15:41] Oskar Linden: run for your life!
[15:41] Issue Helper: [#SVC-1213
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-1213
[15:41] Moundsa Mayo: I'll drink to that!
[15:42] FireFox Breed: yea. its to the point of where i hear more causes of perm hacking then sim crashing imo
[15:42] Ima Mechanique: oooh, I already did the beer, that's why I was late ;-;
[15:42] Oskar Linden: hah!
[15:42] Oskar Linden: way to g ima
[15:42] xstorm Radek: tank problems ?
[15:42] SHAMUS Carter: yah phsycal trains do not travle well eather
[15:42] Kitto Flora: Maybe point 1213 at SVC-2006
[15:42] Issue Helper: [#SVC-2006
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-2006
[15:42] Monty Linden: since we're on this subject... people might look at spheres and cylinders rolling along the ground
[15:43] SHAMUS Carter: npv ones travle far better
[15:43] Monty Linden: they got some attention with h7
[15:43] Moundsa Mayo: 1213 ddoes show related to 2006
[15:43] Oskar Linden: if you guys want hints on where to find bugs listen to monty
[15:43] Oskar Linden: he has done a very comprehensive code review
[15:43] Kitto Flora: Monty - they will bounce at the seams. Whats worse is that square based stuff is stopped dead.
[15:44] Monty Linden: (well, half of a comprehensive review :-)
[15:44] Moundsa Mayo: Looks much worse in Oatmeal 9, but that's full debug. I'll compare in another Oatmeal not full debug.
[15:44] FireFox Breed: half is better then 1.4th
[15:45] FireFox Breed: i guess that will be the sim we sitt down in and shoot thing >.>
[15:45] FireFox Breed: s
[15:45] Arokh Takakura: \o/
[15:45] SHAMUS Carter: so what are the specal thingy's that viewer 2.1 will be required for?
[15:45] Oskar Linden: I can't really say SHAMUS
[15:45] Oskar Linden: not sure it's public yet
[15:45] Moundsa Mayo: A better n00b experience ...
[15:45] Oskar Linden: but I am sure that it will be life changing
[15:46] Oskar Linden: genre defining
[15:46] Motor Loon: mesh's ...?
[15:46] Oskar Linden: and the most awesome vwr yet
[15:46] Moundsa Mayo: meshes FTW!
[15:46] Oskar Linden: or so marketing told me
[15:46] SHAMUS Carter: marketing lies
[15:46] FireFox Breed: mash uploading?
[15:46] Rex Cronon: awesome like v2 is:)
[15:46] Oskar Linden: not mash
[15:46] Oskar Linden: mesh
[15:46] Opensource Obscure: new pink themed UI !
[15:46] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: hello all
[15:46] Tayste Waydelich: If it's an updated UI, I'll hug you.
[15:46] FireFox Breed: well
[15:46] Oskar Linden: welcome Youri
[15:46] Rex Cronon: hi
[15:46] Moundsa Mayo: DId marketing also mention the lifetime supply of free ice cream, or is that not yet out of closed beta?
[15:46] FireFox Breed: i wonder when someone is going to start uploading meshs from other games
[15:47] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: tnx oskar :)
[15:47] xstorm Radek: hi Youri
[15:47] FireFox Breed: be a bit amusing to see moden warfair 2 weapons meshs being inported into sl
[15:47] Rex Cronon: there are already sculptie made from WOW things
[15:47] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: hey x
[15:47] Oskar Linden: heh
[15:47] Tayste Waydelich: I've heard content theft is already going on with sculpts.
[15:47] FireFox Breed: yep
[15:48] Oskar Linden: content theft? or IP theft?
[15:48] ANSI Soderstrom: o.O
[15:48] Tayste Waydelich: ..both, technically ;)
[15:48] Motor Loon: neither too
[15:48] Oskar Linden: there are support processes in place to handle them legally
[15:48] FireFox Breed: i would say both. but thats up the the legal department
[15:48] Rex Cronon: if somebody clones their WOW ave here, what do u call it?
[15:48] Motor Loon: kinda like making a CD into a analog tape recording eh?
[15:48] Oskar Linden: well IP theft wold be uploading a sculpt of someone else work external to SL
[15:48] Oskar Linden: content theft of sculpts wold be copybotting
[15:49] FireFox Breed: nods
[15:49] Oskar Linden: but we are getting into aminefiled it is better I steer clear of
[15:49] FireFox Breed: hehe
[15:49] Oskar Linden: minefield
[15:49] Liisa Runo: ... and LL dont care about copybotting, so lets move onward
[15:49] Oskar Linden: hey now
[15:49] Oskar Linden: if you had any idea...
[15:49] Motor Loon: ofcause they care
[15:50] Oskar Linden: anyway
[15:50] Rex Cronon: ll don't care abut it? hmmm? i wonder why all blue avatars were removed from sls:)
[15:50] SHAMUS Carter: only so meny people in the leagle departmeny
[15:50] WolfGang Senizen: with the possible issue on meshes from anything external just being imported to sl how about making people who want to upload meshes ask for permission to upload meshes sort of register for it and make them agree to a clause speciffically
[15:50] Rex Cronon: slsx*
[15:50] FireFox Breed: just a last hit on the topic. has there been any bug fixing when it come to perm hacking? since that is a server issue
[15:50] Rex Cronon: slx*
[15:50] WolfGang Senizen: but keep it publically accessible
[15:50] ANSI Soderstrom: create a checksum of the prims in relations to the prims itself
[15:50] Oskar Linden: I really wish I could be 100% open with all of you on how things work internally and the things that we do, but unfortunately I cannot.
[15:50] ANSI Soderstrom: if the checksum is double in the server with a different creator...
[15:51] Oskar Linden: doesn't really feel right saying 'trust me' either
[15:51] ANSI Soderstrom: copybot alert
[15:51] Xugu Madison: trusts Oskar, but is unclear on why
[15:51] Oskar Linden: aww
[15:51] Oskar Linden: thanks Xugu
[15:51] Latif Khalifa: is just hoping some TPV makes a sane UI for viewer2
[15:51] Latif Khalifa: the rendering engine is nice, but UI is just useless
[15:51] Tayste Waydelich: ....Minor prim skewing would defeat that thogh, wouldn't t?
[15:51] SHAMUS Carter: trust the lindens
[15:51] FireFox Breed: hehe
[15:52] Oskar Linden: so with 8 minutes left any pressing things to talk about?
[15:52] FireFox Breed: only reason why im asking about perm hacking is because i kind of felt the sting of it and im wondering if there has been any fixs to the issue in the last few months
[15:52] Xugu Madison: Lack of free ice cream? :)
[15:52] Moundsa Mayo: Free Ice Cream Real Soon Now!
[15:53] Oskar Linden: yes Firefox. we have made a lot of changes but they are all things I can't talk about
[15:53] ANSI Soderstrom: llReturnItem("*tetris*");
[15:53] Motor Loon: syysh
[15:53] FireFox Breed: nods
[15:53] Oskar Linden: if I give any details people can figure out how to bypass them
[15:53] Ima Mechanique: How do you tell if marketing is exagerating?
[15:53] Ima Mechanique: Their lips move (unless they're on v1.23 viewer)
[15:53] FireFox Breed: yea i understand
[15:53] Moundsa Mayo: Their lips are moving.
[15:53] Oskar Linden: I'm not advocating security through obscurity, but it helps us have a slight edge
[15:53] Motor Loon: haha..
[15:53] Oskar Linden: slight
[15:53] Kitto Flora: gets free icecream
[15:53] Tayste Waydelich: ..the sooner he talks about it, the sooner a work-around would likely be effected,etc
[15:53] Liisa Runo: alright then, lets talk about copybotting, what is the status of the tools for LL to remove assets from database and the grid? so they can for example: remove every object ever created by copybotter "iLag Xue" ?
[15:53] FireFox Breed: gave you Book of Aventity.
[15:54] xstorm Radek: i will have to start a NDA lol
[15:54] Tayste Waydelich: DROP *?
[15:54] Motor Loon: ooh, that would be cool
[15:54] Oskar Linden: I can't answer that Liisa
[15:54] Oskar Linden: Legal will not let me
[15:54] Motor Loon: damn legal
[15:54] Oskar Linden: ***
[15:54] Xugu Madison: can we get a legal OH?
[15:54] xstorm Radek: he he he he he good Legal
[15:54] Oskar Linden: that would be awesome
[15:54] Oskar Linden: I would go
[15:54] Opensource Obscure: indeed.
[15:54] SHAMUS Carter: indeed
[15:54] Monty Linden: wow, the most boring hour in Sl.... legal OH
[15:55] Ima Mechanique: Oskar, that should have been four *
[15:55] Oskar Linden: but knowing legal the OH would need to be attended by fax
[15:55] xstorm Radek: OMG!! no legal OH
[15:55] Opensource Obscure: boring?
[15:55] Oskar Linden: 2 weeks in advance
[15:55] Rex Cronon: liisa. ll already has the tool. is called a sql query:)
[15:55] Opensource Obscure: you should go to Real World governance OH
[15:55] xstorm Radek: then LL will have to kill you all
[15:55] Moundsa Mayo: There would be silence an black bars covering everything.
[15:55] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: 2late x, im dead already :p
[15:55] Tayste Waydelich: DROP * FROM resi_asset_whatever_name WHERE creator_uuid=@Uuid; ? :P
[15:55] Opensource Obscure: admittely, i got incredibily bored at Pathfinder's meeting as well, who everyone loved.
[15:55] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: this is just a ghost your seeing :p
[15:55] xstorm Radek: hey Open what is GOV OH ?
[15:56] Tayste Waydelich: or... whatever that command was.
[15:56] SHAMUS Carter: will the ghostign issue ever be fixed?
[15:56] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: think he means scott's OH
[15:56] SHAMUS Carter: as ghost av are everywhere
[15:56] Oskar Linden: I don't know SHAMUS
[15:56] Oskar Linden: yes
[15:56] Oskar Linden: no
[15:56] Oskar Linden: maybe
[15:56] xstorm Radek: Open can you tell us about it
[15:56] Motor Loon: Scott is a sweetheart
[15:56] Xugu Madison: Aren't ghosts a lag issue with the network?
[15:56] Tayste Waydelich: What is the technical cause for ghosting?
[15:56] Moundsa Mayo: UDP
[15:57] Xugu Madison: Ghosts should be massively reduced with HTTP textures, from my understanding of the technical side
[15:57] Tayste Waydelich: Oh. The waiting-for-ping-timeout thing?
[15:57] Liisa Runo: i want g-team office hour, so i can ask them why we europens often get only 1 g-team member to take care of the whole grid. feels kinda stupid that griefer attack that gets 40 AR's/hour takes 8 hours untill LL react
[15:57] xstorm Radek: Xugu i have seen avatars ghost on log out even when there was no lag
[15:57] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: good one Liisa
[15:58] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: well, i think i can partially answer the question though
[15:58] Simon Linden: The ghosts are also an issue with 'baked textures', which are the AV images your viewer generates and passes back up to the sim
[15:58] Oskar Linden: oh I have news
[15:58] Oskar Linden: I am going to work from Singapore for a month! :-D
[15:58] FireFox Breed: !
[15:58] SHAMUS Carter: heck i have been ghosted and loged in at the same time
[15:58] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: American users mostly grief, europeans usually do not
[15:58] Oskar Linden: I fly out of Seattle 1 week form now
[15:58] Oskar Linden: so I will not be at the next OH
[15:58] FireFox Breed: :O
[15:58] Xugu Madison: Oskar, cool! What will that do to your OH?
[15:58] Xugu Madison: eek
[15:58] Oskar Linden: I will let my lovely assistant run it
[15:58] Tayste Waydelich: I can host it! :3
[15:58] Milo Linden: they'll be moved to 3am ;)
[15:58] Oskar Linden: Mr Milo Linden
[15:58] Motor Loon: can we have strippers then?
[15:59] Oskar Linden: :-D
[15:59] Tayste Waydelich: ..curses! foiled again
[15:59] Liisa Runo: and american griefers already have learned that if they rez their shit at SL midnight, it will take 8 hours before LL cleans it
[15:59] Motor Loon: and food fights
[15:59] Milo Linden: hey thats the first i heard about this lol
[15:59] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
[15:59] Oskar Linden: Motor... you really want Milo to strip?
[15:59] Xugu Madison: 3am, Mars time. Bonus points if you ever can get it right
[15:59] Motor Loon: yes! I'm openminded!
[15:59] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: uh oh milo, your screwed :p
[15:59] Milo Linden: i want a raise lol
[15:59] Oskar Linden: gives milo a raise
[15:59] Milo Linden: strips
[15:59] xstorm Radek: what ?
[15:59] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
[15:59] Motor Loon: you can have a raise Milo... in 1 doller bills stuck in your g-string
[15:59] Ima Mechanique: Milo, if you strip someone might get a raise
[15:59] SHAMUS Carter: 0.0
[15:59] Oskar Linden: I will bein Singapore all month
[15:59] Maestro Linden: sounds like a good time to leave. later!
[16:00] xstorm Radek: NO STRIPPING this is a G rated sim
[16:00] Ima Mechanique: but I domn't want to watch that
[16:00] Williamca Zenovka: o.O
[16:00] Oskar Linden: we shall see if I can attend the OH
[16:00] Oskar Linden: 6AM SG time
[16:00] Oskar Linden: ugh
[16:00] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: what you wanna do there oskar?
[16:00] Oskar Linden: you guys are worth it though
[16:00] Xugu Madison: Have fun out there, Oskar!
[16:00] Oskar Linden: ;-)
[16:00] Rex Cronon: tc
[16:00] xstorm Radek: and i will have to Abuse Report you
[16:00] Oskar Linden: I am going to work
[16:00] Oskar Linden: and visit the fish spa
[16:00] Oskar Lindenri: Ashton: lol
[16:00] Motor Loon: oh... is that what the kids are calling heavy drinking these days
[16:00] Oskar Linden: where tiny carp massage your feet with their itty bitty mouths
[16:00] xstorm Radek: poor fish
[16:00] Oskar Linden: eating the dead skin cells
[16:00] Moundsa Mayo: Yah, they eating dead skin!
[16:01] Oskar Linden: I did it last time
[16:01] Oskar Linden: so awesome
[16:01] Moundsa Mayo: JJNX!
[16:01] Monty Linden: certain bugs can only be tested at a certain bar in the city....
[16:01] Motor Loon: piranhas?
[16:01] xstorm Radek: just as long i do not eat them fish
[16:01] Oskar Linden: there will be alcohol involved
[16:01] FireFox Breed: \( o)/
[16:01] Oskar Linden: not much else to do in SG
[16:01] Oskar Linden: Singapore is like a large urban shopping center as an island
[16:01] Ima Mechanique: I bet, you's have to get the fish drunk first
[16:01] Moundsa Mayo: Can vandalize cars and get caned!
[16:01] FireFox Breed: aroke
[16:01] Oskar Linden: Cane sugar!
[16:01] Tayste Waydelich: Alcohol involved?..all the more reason to hold office hor!
[16:01] Tayste Waydelich: *hour
[16:02] FireFox Breed: lets go see if moys guns will crash sims :D
[16:02] Oskar Linden: <_<
[16:02] Oskar Linden: ok guys
[16:02] Oskar Linden: thanks so much

Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2010-05-27

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