Doc Team/2010-11-10

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[13:01]	Youri Ashton:	hey jeremy :)
[13:01]	Youri Ashton	has pinged you.
[13:01]	Jeremy Linden:	Hello, everyone.
[13:01]	Youri Ashton:	only 3 here besides you :p
[13:01]	Arawn Spitteler:	Hi, Jeremy
[13:01]	Arawn Spitteler	has pinged you.
[13:01]	Arawn Spitteler:	Anyone know, how I can check my hardware date?
[13:01]	Jeremy Linden:	Hardware date?
[13:01]	Youri Ashton:	hmm.. lemme get something for you
[13:02]	Arawn Spitteler:	I know the birthdate, for the curent incarnation of Jesus, in 2004, and I was wondering if my computer really is that old.
[13:02]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	hi jeremy
[13:02]	Adamburp Adamczyk	has pinged you. (Adamczyk Adamburp HAS tensions you.)
[13:02]	Youri Ashton:	okay
[13:02]	Arawn Spitteler:	She'll be seven in February
[13:02]	Youri Ashton:	go here http://www.lavalys.com/
[13:03]	Youri Ashton:	download everest
[13:03]	Youri Ashton:	it will show EVERYTHING of your hardware stuff
[13:03]	Youri Ashton:	its free as well
[13:03]	Youri Ashton:	also shows windows version
[13:03]	Youri Ashton:	and some other data
[13:03]	Jeremy Linden:	Hm. Interesting: Built-in Google Translate thinks "pinged" is not English.
[13:04]	Youri Ashton:	sure looks english to me :p
[13:04]	Jeremy Linden:	Heh. I've got a name pinger... Here's what it said just a second ago.
[13:04]	Jeremy Linden:	[13:02] WidgetHUD v1.2 (Mono): Adamburp Adamczyk has pinged you. (Adamczyk Adamburp HAS tensions you.)
[13:04]	Jeremy Linden:	The parentheses are the "translated" text :-P
[13:04]	Youri Ashton:	lol
[13:05]	Youri Ashton:	so whats new jeremy? i havnt been on for several months now
[13:05]	Youri Ashton	has pinged you.
[13:05]	Arawn Spitteler:	We can now change our names, but only once a week
[13:05]	Jeremy Linden:	Oh, quite a bit, Youri. Are you up to speed on Mesh, Display Names, the TSL move, etc?
[13:05]	Youri Ashton:	changing names? omg
[13:06]	Youri Ashton:	not so much
[13:06]	Youri Ashton:	last time i was on was around min summer
[13:06]	Arawn Spitteler:	It would be nice, could we toggle that feature on and off, so we don't have to wait a week.
[13:06]	Jeremy Linden:	I think that would defeat the purpose of the delay, Arawn.
[13:06]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	i'mstill with the no to viewer 2 camp
[13:07]	Youri Ashton:	i havnt updated my viewer for some time, so wouldnt know much atm :p
[13:07]	Youri Ashton:	thanks tot he failing ATI drivers I couldnt connect, but I did a lot of other work in the meanwhile
[13:07]	Youri Ashton:	Fallout 3 and Fallout:New vegas modding
[13:08]	Jeremy Linden:	Cool! I played a bit of Fallout 3.
[13:08]	Youri Ashton:	working ona huge bunker for new vegas still infact (Working one huge bunker for new vegas still infact)
[13:08]	Arawn Spitteler:	/me wonders if he should learn to hack viewers, for those with Extreme Graphics Chipsets
[13:08]	Youri Ashton:	hmm.. lemme get some links up for you guys
[13:08]	Youri Ashton:	if your okay with it jeremy :p
[13:08]	Youri Ashton	has pinged you.
[13:09]	Jeremy Linden:	Sure, Youri.
[13:09]	Jeremy Linden:	Arawn, if you want extreme graphics, it's possible to turn on deferred rendering and shadows in the main Viewer now.
[13:09]	Jeremy Linden:	With everything turned on, it's too extreme for my graphics card :-)
[13:10]	Youri Ashton:	aight, got the link of my profile there. Just scroll down and you will see the Fall out 3 mods i made: http://www.fallout3nexus.com/modules/members/index.php?id=2035070
[13:10]	Youri Ashton:	now for new vegas...
[13:10]	Youri Ashton:	http://www.newvegasnexus.com/modules/members/index.php?id=2035070
[13:10]	Arawn Spitteler:	Extreme Graphics is what the chipset is called, a joke that Andrew had to accomodate
[13:11]	Jeremy Linden:	Ah, yes, that chipset...
[13:11]	Jeremy Linden:	Extreme on the other end of the scale.
[13:11]	Arawn Spitteler:	Anyhow, on Display Names, I got tired of being Torley Tester all the time, but couldn't turn the feature back on, after turning off.
[13:11]	Jeremy Linden:	Yikes!
[13:12]	Jeremy Linden:	Did you at least take some videos?
[13:12]	Youri Ashton:	did you mean me jeremy?
[13:12]	Youri Ashton	has pinged you.
[13:12]	Arawn Spitteler:	My Extreme Graphics Chipsets doesn't accommodate Machinima
[13:12]	Jeremy Linden:	Heh. I was referring to Arawn being Torley Tester
[13:12]	Youri Ashton:	:)
[13:13]	Arawn Spitteler:	Next, I'm wondering if I should be Philip Tester, or Phillip Lindan
[13:13]	Youri Ashton:	haha
[13:13]	Youri Ashton:	think not permitted though
[13:13]	Jeremy Linden:	That might not actually work. I hear there's a restriction on many possible permutations of "Linden"
[13:13]	Youri Ashton:	its against the ToS anyways
[13:13]	Jeremy Linden:	Although I did once see the work of a griefer named 'Philip Lindman'
[13:14]	Youri Ashton:	it's basically saying "hey i ama linden" which is not allowed
[13:14]	Jeremy Linden:	True, Youri
[13:14]	Arawn Spitteler:	Tester might be a permutation overlooked
[13:14]	Youri Ashton:	same if you will be taking Torley Tester, in fact that is as well counting as a linden name... in a way
[13:15]	Jeremy Linden:	Maybe. "Tester" doesn't sound like "Linden" at all...
[13:15]	Youri Ashton:	true, i was rather reffering to the fact that he is using that very name as well
[13:15]	Youri Ashton:	one of his alts...
[13:15]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	i jsut checked
[13:15]	Arawn Spitteler:	Every Tester is a Linden Alt, so becomes a Linden Impersonation
[13:16]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	i wish "tester" was a surname to go with "toilet"
[13:16]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	aka "toilet tester"
[13:16]	Youri Ashton:	lol
[13:16]	Arawn Spitteler:	You can still do it with Viewer 2, but hurry
[13:16]	Youri Ashton:	i am on viewer 2
[13:16]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	i'll never use it
[13:16]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	if it ever was compulsory, i;d use a tpv
[13:16]	Jeremy Linden:	Waiting for Viewer 3, Adamburp?
[13:17]	Arawn Spitteler:	Once word gets about, you'll have to use LaTrine Testor
[13:17]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	jeremy, all i've heard is bad stuff about viewer 2
[13:17]	Adamburp Adamczyk	has pinged you.
[13:17]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	i've not heard a good word yet
[13:17]	Jeremy Linden:	I use and enjoy Viewer 2, personally.
[13:17]	Jeremy Linden:	There you go!
[13:17]	Arawn Spitteler:	It's not all bad, but I don't know how it's to be an improvement over Snowglobe
[13:18]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	ah you HAVE To say that ;)
[13:18]	Youri Ashton:	think ill keep my name
[13:18]	Youri Ashton:	chatlagggggg
[13:19]	Jeremy Linden:	Nah, I don't have to, Adam. I actually hated the earliest versions of Viewer 2, but it has been improving steadily and I've become accustomed to it.
[13:19]	Jeremy Linden:	I think mostly people dislike it because it's different, and they need to re-learn where a lot of their controls are.
[13:20]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	i just refuse point blank - I've ne'er heard anything otherwise to convince me
[13:20]	Arawn Spitteler:	That minds me, are we free to actually enter OI2, yet? Last I saw, we could see, but not enter
[13:21]	Jeremy Linden:	/me is not familiar with OI2
[13:21]	Youri Ashton:	im not even sure what he's tlaking about :p
[13:21]	Arawn Spitteler:	The second edition of Orientation Island.
[13:21]	Youri Ashton:	oh that
[13:21]	Jeremy Linden:	Heh. I think the second version of OI was de-commissioned years ago.
[13:21]	Arawn Spitteler:	Out west of Bay City, we could see in, but not touch
[13:21]	Youri Ashton:	havnt been ther eto my knowlage
[13:21]	Arawn Spitteler:	Check your map.
[13:22]	Youri Ashton:	yeah, that was scrapped
[13:22]	Youri Ashton:	its still online, but not worked on since philip left
[13:22]	Youri Ashton:	now he's back... well.. it might be that there will be a new version of it
[13:22]	Youri Ashton:	liisa!!!!!!!!
[13:22]	Youri Ashton:	sweet german wiki princess girly!!!!
[13:23]	Youri Ashton:	how are you liisa?
[13:24]	Liisa Runo:	im good, sorry im late, what we are talking about?
[13:24]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	toilets
[13:24]	Youri Ashton:	all kinds of things :)
[13:24]	Arawn Spitteler:	Display Toilet Name Testers
[13:24]	Youri Ashton:	name changes and orientation islands came up earlier
[13:24]	Jeremy Linden:	Heh. Just chatting about new features, Viewer 2, and strange Display Names.
[13:25]	Jeremy Linden:	We are supposed to talk about wiki and online help issues, though. Those get priority.
[13:25]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[13:25]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	THE ONTYNES ARE GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:25]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
[13:25]	Liisa Runo:	i still have not studied the new wiki. Some day ill learn to use it
[13:25]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	i knew i had somethign to share
[13:25]	Liisa Runo:	ontynes are gone! wow
[13:26]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	hallelujah
[13:26]	Arawn Spitteler:	What are Ontynes?
[13:26]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	good riddance to bad rubbish
[13:26]	Youri Ashton:	havnt done anything with SL for a few months... so i rather am a newby atm :p
[13:26]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	they were the 3rd party helpers for support
[13:26]	Jeremy Linden:	Ontynes were a third-party Support company that handled a lot of "front line" support issues.
[13:26]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	they were useless
[13:27]	Liisa Runo:	ontynes are the people we had in support for a while, they knew nothing, usually they just asked you to make new support ticket and hope some linden recieve it
[13:27]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	and i'm sorry to say i live in rl one hour from them!
[13:27]	Jeremy Linden:	/me expresses absolutely no opinion about the Ontynes.
[13:27]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	they ahd no knowledge, twice i caught them lying to me
[13:27]	Arawn Spitteler:	They hadn't hired residents, to help with user issues?
[13:27]	Youri Ashton:	unfortunately its the harsh truth that many will skip off when hearing that Liisa
[13:28]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	i raised complaints about 2 of them - that angered me, first time i EVER complained in sl
[13:28]	Youri Ashton:	not many are found of the "send a suport ticket" thing
[13:28]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	but, they are gone
[13:29]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	i had a livechat with one of the ciscosystems guys, they seem pretty good
[13:29]	Youri Ashton:	no, 8 out 10 people getting that answer will simply not do it and leave it as it is or keep complaining
[13:29]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	the name "ontyne" comes from a uk city "newcastle upon tyne"
[13:30]	Jeremy Linden:	Yep.
[13:30]	Youri Ashton:	only people that are sirious enough will actually send that spoort ticket
[13:30]	Youri Ashton:	ugh, typos
[13:30]	Arawn Spitteler:	/me wonders how many griefers will think to assemble behind the name: Newcastleup Ontyne
[13:30]	Youri Ashton:	lol
[13:30]	Jeremy Linden:	Hah!
[13:31]	Youri Ashton:	well, most griefers are in fact US residents, not from europe
[13:32]	Arawn Spitteler:	Our civil servants have to do something in their spare time
[13:32]	Youri Ashton:	lol @ pic :p
[13:32]	Youri Ashton:	"warranty void with second life viewer 2"
[13:33]	Arawn Spitteler:	Bowels Voided, with Viewer 2
[13:33]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	jeremy, how's kate doing if you know?
[13:33]	Adamburp Adamczyk	has pinged you.
[13:33]	Youri Ashton:	good Q
[13:33]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	a lot of us miss her
[13:33]	Youri Ashton:	my mouse is a Logitech G5
[13:34]	Jeremy Linden:	Hm. Last time I sporke to Kate was at SLCC. She seemed to be doing well at the time.
[13:34]	Arawn Spitteler:	Is she down with something?
[13:34]	Jeremy Linden:	er, spoke
[13:34]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	cheers
[13:34]	Arawn Spitteler:	She's joined the ranks of the former lindens?
[13:35]	Youri Ashton:	hope she found a great new place to work, she deserves a good place
[13:35]	Jeremy Linden:	Yes, we lost Kate several months ago :-(
[13:35]	Youri Ashton:	i know, i was there when she said she would be going
[13:35]	Arawn Spitteler:	I'vebeen too long in Mafiaville Wars
[13:35]	Jeremy Linden:	Mafiaville? Is that the one where you grow thugs on a farm?
[13:36]	Youri Ashton:	its another lame website based game
[13:36]	Youri Ashton:	pretty pointless
[13:36]	Arawn Spitteler:	Mafia Wars- Farmville - Vampire Wars, all start running togeather.
[13:36]	Youri Ashton:	they love to gain your money, but hardly give anything usefull in return, besides the many griefers
[13:37]	Jeremy Linden:	They clog the iPhone app store :-(
[13:37]	Arawn Spitteler:	The adventure is in discovering that your sense that it's a total waste of time was completely accurate
[13:37]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	yoiu know, i spend hours on sl, yet i don't online game et al
[13:37]	Youri Ashton:	adam... in a way this is a online game as well :p
[13:37]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	not hte sense i was referrign too :)
[13:37]	Liisa Runo:	no no, this is virtual world, has games in it, but is not a game
[13:37]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	sl is more than just a game
[13:38]	Youri Ashton:	hey laurent :)
[13:38]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	far more
[13:38]	Youri Ashton:	YAY!! SIM LAG!!
[13:38]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	hi laurent
[13:38]	Youri Ashton:	ugh, lag problem agian
[13:38]	Laurent Bechir:	hello
[13:38]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	better than watching reality tv
[13:38]	Arawn Spitteler:	Gamesters come into SL, with no idea of how to get a high score
[13:38]	Liisa Runo:	SL is the future of the internet, some day virtual world will be the only form of internet we have, and later it will be the only operating system computers have.
[13:38]	Arawn Spitteler:	We should bring back TP Trail, to orient those.
[13:39]	Jeremy Linden:	When I was a more active Resident, my high score was my L$ balance. I really enjoyed building and scripting, though.
[13:39]	Youri Ashton:	I pretty much dont care about scores
[13:39]	Youri Ashton:	hi julio
[13:39]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*Noobie!!!!*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*
[13:39]	Jeremy Linden:	Well, it's more fun when you can spend your high score to buy a new computer.
[13:39]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	true
[13:40]	Youri Ashton:	true heremy
[13:40]	Youri Ashton:	ugh... lol
[13:40]	Youri Ashton:	keep having typos here... haha
[13:40]	Jeremy Linden:	Hello Julio. Welcome to Documentation Office Hours.
[13:40]	Liisa Runo:	my high score is the satisfaction of creating stuff, and enjoying creations of others
[13:41]	Youri Ashton:	I recently got myself a version of Duke 3D for Vista and win7, just awesome! :p
[13:41]	Arawn Spitteler:	/me wants to hit the Powerball, and build a school of Witchcraft and Wizardry, Meatside.
[13:41]	Youri Ashton:	only the sound is kinda a problem in it, reast works perfectly
[13:41]	Jeremy Linden:	I would totally attend a wizardry school.
[13:42]	Jeremy Linden:	I suspect I don't have "the talent" for it, though.
[13:42]	Jeremy Linden:	Else I bet I'd have shorted out my computer ages ago.
[13:42]	Arawn Spitteler:	It'd be a fairly revolutionary environment, where adolescents would care for their elderly relations.
[13:42]	Youri Ashton:	i rather bash the skulls in from enemies then wave a wand
[13:43]	Arawn Spitteler:	Talent's not a problem, since I'm a god, and can fix all that.
[13:43]	Youri Ashton:	smashing your way trough with a big axe, hammer or swords just is so much more fun seeing the blood splatter all around ^_^
[13:43]	Jeremy Linden:	/me has been hooked on The Dresden Files book series. Adult wizard private investigator in Chicago, FTW.
[13:44]	Youri Ashton:	hi armonado
[13:44]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	onigokko
[13:44]	Arawn Spitteler:	That could be a movie of Poetic Justice, where someone with a cold sore decides to kill all homos, and gets HIV from the splatter
[13:44]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	/me is currently reading book about MI5, recwently de-classified old files
[13:45]	Youri Ashton:	I am waiting myself for assasins creed brotherhood and deusex 3
[13:45]	Jeremy Linden:	Oh yes, Deus Ex 3.
[13:45]	Youri Ashton:	well.. i hope of course duke nukem forever will come as well....
[13:46]	Arawn Spitteler:	I was just reading about Adam Welsh Dulles, one of the prime suspects, in the conspiracy investigated by The Warren Commission.
[13:46]	Arawn Spitteler:	Allen Welsh Dulles
[13:47]	Arawn Spitteler:	/me wonders why Johnson and Johnson were such unlucky running mates
[13:47]	Youri Ashton:	think ill be visiting the black market end of the month for a change. perhaps i can find some nice things there
[13:47]	Jeremy Linden:	/me is unsure whether he should pretend not to have heard that.
[13:47]	Arawn Spitteler:	/me hadn't realized he was still wearing the Onigokko
[13:48]	Youri Ashton:	lol, its legal here jeremy :p
[13:48]	Youri Ashton	has pinged you.
[13:48]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	/me sniggers
[13:48]	Jeremy Linden:	What, like the Black Market is an actual place you can go?
[13:48]	Youri Ashton:	black market is even near amsterdam
[13:48]	Youri Ashton:	yup
[13:48]	Youri Ashton:	the former owner of these halls was a auction place for flowers
[13:48]	Jeremy Linden:	/me has a hard time picturing shops with signs that say "BUY ILLEGAL THINGS HERE"
[13:49]	Arawn Spitteler:	/me wonders if the Black Market allows those whose grandmothers were dutch
[13:49]	Youri Ashton:	well, it is legal untill prover other wise :p
[13:49]	Jeremy Linden:	I see.
[13:49]	Youri Ashton:	the law has nothign against it here, well... as long as you have a rented store there...
[13:50]	Youri Ashton:	even police just walking around there
[13:50]	Youri Ashton:	as long as its legal according to dutch laws, then no worries
[13:50]	Youri Ashton:	but no drugs of any kind, no fire arms either
[13:51]	Arawn Spitteler:	In Holland, the sheep must not object
[13:51]	Youri Ashton:	lol
[13:52]	Jeremy Linden:	Arawn, will you ever get tired from running in circles?
[13:52]	Arawn Spitteler:	stop
[13:52]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	jeremy, stop me if this bit is too far, okay
[13:52]	Adamburp Adamczyk	has pinged you.
[13:52]	Youri Ashton:	according to dutch laws you are even allowed to download music and videos, as long as you keep them for yourself and not give copies to anyone
[13:52]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	you should see the reaction the onigokko gets in a sex club
[13:52]	Youri Ashton:	shocking for the US people, i know :p
[13:52]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	now THAT is funny
[13:53]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	i laughed that hard i was crying
[13:53]	Jeremy Linden:	/me imagines it would need "Yakety Sax" music and then it'd be a Benny Hill video.
[13:53]	Youri Ashton:	lmao
[13:53]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	i have the benny hill version of the onigokko too
[13:53]	Jeremy Linden:	NICE.
[13:53]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	onigokko
[13:53]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	smeg
[13:53]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	and the snowman verison
[13:54]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	stop
[13:54]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	onisnow
[13:54]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	kind of a hobby of mine messing with this :)
[13:54]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	stop
[13:54]	Youri Ashton:	humped by a snowman... lol
[13:54]	Jeremy Linden:	That'd be a good one for the annual Linden snowball fight.
[13:54]	Youri Ashton:	lol
[13:54]	Jeremy Linden:	I need to tweak my usual snowball mortar.
[13:55]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	i got one of those too :)
[13:55]	Youri Ashton:	most likely wont be here with the snowball fight
[13:55]	Snowball Artillery:	Say "bury" followed by an avatar's name to bombard them with snowballs!
[13:55]	Remote Snowball	Artillery: Touch to select from available targets!
[13:55]	Youri Ashton:	im usually occupied with guildwars :p
[13:55]	Remote Snowball	Artillery: Launching snowball at Jeremy Linden!
[13:55]	Remote Snowball	Artillery has pinged you.
[13:55]	Second Life:	Can't move object 'Snowball' to { 42.7544, 192.279, 35.4287 } in region Beaumont because your objects are not allowed on this parcel.
[13:55]	Second Life:	Can't move object 'Snowball' to { 42.7544, 192.279, 35.4288 } in region Beaumont because your objects are not allowed on this parcel.
[13:55]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	anybody want the rather hilarious oni pictures form the certain areas?
[13:56]	Youri Ashton:	nah, tnx though
[13:56]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	my sl partner got invited there on an sl hen night
[13:56]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	i jsut couldn't resist seeing how many i could catch
[13:57]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	27
[13:57]	Youri Ashton:	ugh... think these pills against stumach acid doesnt really do its job ><
[13:57]	Arawn Spitteler:	Sauerkraut might have Vitamin K
[13:57]	Jeremy Linden:	Ah, I think I have one of those, Adam.
[13:58]	Jeremy Linden:	Mine's a little heavier-duty.
[13:58]	Youri Ashton:	wasnt talking about food
[13:59]	Youri Ashton:	2 mins left
[13:59]	Youri Ashton:	i guess ill be going :)
[13:59]	Youri Ashton:	thanks for the OH jeremy!
[13:59]	Youri Ashton	has pinged you.
[13:59]	Jeremy Linden:	Thanks for coming, Youri!
[13:59]	Arawn Spitteler:	Where's Jon and Torley, today?
[13:59]	Youri Ashton:	welcome!
[14:00]	Jeremy Linden:	Torley is no longer on Doc Team, but he still works at Linden Lab. Jon doesn't seem to come to office hours anymore.
[14:00]	Youri Ashton:	hmm... think ill skip Bambers's OH, else it will be too late for a nice shower...
[14:00]	Arawn Spitteler:	I've a shower to catch, so I can see a play about Ben Franklyn's Slaves
[14:01]	Youri Ashton:	got at 3pm SLT a special meeting for disabilities
[14:01]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	i might pop to see bamber
[14:01]	Youri Ashton:	no arawn, your not welcome in my shower! lol
[14:01]	Jeremy Linden:	At any rate, I'll cut here for the transcript. Thanks for coming, everyone :-)
[14:01]	Adamburp Adamczyk:	thx jeremy

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