Community Tools User Group/07-April-2011

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[13:04]	DogWomble Dollinger:	hi jeremy, i hope i didn't steal your seat
[13:04]	DogWomble Dollinger	has pinged you.
[13:04]	Liisa Runo:	/me votes for rez-date
[13:05]	Peewee Musytari:	heya jeremy
[13:05]	Peewee Musytari	has pinged you.
[13:05]	Darrius Gothly:	/me votes for rez date too
[13:05]	Jeremy Linden:	Someone's been sitting in my chair, and there he is!
[13:05]	Catwise Yoshikawa:	rez day would be better
[13:05]	Marianne McCann:	Ya, i don;t think many wil disagree on rez date
[13:05]	html settings	will be updated to allow user tags such as tables and headings. This will help with localizing and kb contributors.
[13:05]	That you	will see next week too
[13:05]	Mags Indigo:	/me smiles as though she understands that :-)
[13:05]	Marianne McCann:	cool
[13:05]	Darrius Gothly:	Heading tags too? , , etc?
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[13:06]	Darrius Gothly:	Tyvm!
[13:06]	Thats the	update for now!
[13:06]	Amanda Linden:	thanks lexie
[13:06]	Peewee Musytari:	wow it will look so professional in there hehe
[13:06]	Mags Indigo:	that's the agenda almost torn up
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[13:06]	Venus Petrov:	humm
[13:06]	Amanda Linden:	ha
[13:06]	Amanda Linden:	ok, next is venus' reqeust for adult public forum.
[13:06]	Venus Petrov:	yes, again....
[13:06]	Amanda Linden:	unfortunately, i've confirmed on this end that we jus can't do that right now.
[13:06]	Venus Petrov:	and the backup plan?
[13:06]	Venus Petrov:	because....
[13:06]	Amanda Linden:	not until we get age verification (not on road map)
[13:06]	Amanda Linden:	at the moment anyway
[13:07]	Amanda Linden:	the best solution is the private forum for adult.
[13:07]	Amanda Linden:	i've asked blondin to contact u venus.
[13:07]	Darrius Gothly:	That'll work.
[13:07]	Venus Petrov:	yes, that's fine ã‹¡
[13:07]	Mags Indigo:	kk
[13:07]	Amanda Linden:	that's where the business owners can discuss adult business in a private setting.
[13:07]	Amanda Linden:	and where we can make sure that everyone in there is adult verified.
[13:07]	Venus Petrov:	this was for residents
[13:07]	Darrius Gothly:	Well .. adult contributors .. not just business owners.
[13:07]	Amanda Linden:	sure, just ask blondin for access.
[13:07]	Venus Petrov:	unless you are suggesting they be added ?
[13:07]	Amanda Linden:	he's the owner of the adult community (on the linden side)
[13:07]	Lord of	Dee (ciaran.laval): Blondin specially selected people for that forum
[13:08]	Venus Petrov:	ok, let me understand you
[13:08]	Amanda Linden:	no one can own a community, I know. :)
[13:08]	Amanda Linden:	so, that's the best we can do for now.
[13:08]	Veleda Lorakeet:	/me imagines him coming home.. how was yer day?
[13:08]	Amanda Linden:	same goes for LGBT community.
[13:08]	Peewee Musytari:	i asked for access and was put on a waiting list :(
[13:08]	DogWomble Dollinger:	i know what you mean amanda :
[13:08]	Venus Petrov:	residents can ask Blondin to be added to the adult community subforum?
[13:08]	Lord of	Dee (ciaran.laval): Not according to Blondin
[13:08]	bob Iwashi:	unless you're gung-ho-aloha, the sun flip flop worshipper amanda, then you can
[13:08]	Amanda Linden:	peewee, did you talk to blondin?
[13:08]	Mags Indigo:	he ignores me :(
[13:08]	Wilhiam Hydraconis:	Marigold ^.^
[13:08]	Mags Indigo:	which is probably understandable
[13:08]	Lord of	Dee (ciaran.laval): I talked to Blondin
[13:08]	Peewee Musytari:	yeah u forwarded on my request amanda
[13:08]	Marigold Devin:	/me whispers belated his to Wilhiam, everyone
[13:08]	Peewee Musytari:	and blondin replied
[13:09]	Amanda Linden:	i'll ping him to let you in.
[13:09]	Peewee Musytari:	cool ty
[13:09]	Amanda Linden:	if anyone has troubles there, let me know.
[13:09]	Darrius Gothly:	Can we do a Post about that forum in Community Feedback .. to let others now it exists and can be accessed with proper methods?
[13:09]	Venus Petrov:	residents can request to be added??
[13:09]	Darrius Gothly:	*know
[13:09]	Venus Petrov:	i want to be clear on this outcome please
[13:09]	Lord of	Dee (ciaran.laval): No Venus not really,. or that wasn't the intent of that forum anyway
[13:09]	Mags Indigo:	I've requested a few times
[13:09]	Wilhiam Hydraconis:	Better make it PG post about adults, Darrius.
[13:09]	Mags Indigo:	:(
[13:09]	be at	an Events user group right after this, unless my calendar is messed up.
[13:09]	Amanda Linden:	not general consumers of adult content.
[13:09]	Amanda Linden:	but, adult b usiness owners/merchants.
[13:09]	Darrius Gothly:	*nods* @ Wil
[13:10]	Lord of	Dee (ciaran.laval): It's large landowners and business
[13:10]	Darrius Gothly:	Oh ... hmm .. why not?
[13:10]	Venus Petrov:	well, can we as residents have a forum where access is granted the same way?
[13:10]	Venus Petrov:	this is what I have been asking for
[13:10]	Amanda Linden:	no, i'm sorry venus.
[13:10]	Darrius Gothly:	I agree with Venus.
[13:10]	Amanda Linden:	i realize that the decision is unpopular.
[13:10]	Venus Petrov:	why not, may i ask?
[13:10]	Venus Petrov:	open only to residents that ask.
[13:10]	Lord of	Dee (ciaran.laval): You don't want to go hijacking Blondin's forum
[13:10]	Amanda Linden:	but, this is a g forum and we just cannot host a public adult discussion on our forums.
[13:10]	Amanda Linden:	public forums
[13:10]	Mags Indigo:	unpopular is possibly a polite way of saying it
[13:10]	Amanda Linden:	i know.
[13:11]	Venus Petrov:	it would not be public
[13:11]	Darrius Gothly:	It won't be public, it will be by admission only.
[13:11]	Amanda Linden:	and, i'm sensitive to your needs.
[13:11]	Catwise Yoshikawa:	but you could a add a private forum for adults
[13:11]	Venus Petrov:	open only to residents that ask for access
[13:11]	there could	be a *different* private forum created, but it would take overhead in manually checking age verification, I guess
[13:11]	Amanda Linden:	let me discuss with blondin.
[13:11]	DogWomble Dollinger:	well amanda, even if it's 'unpopular' at least it's something until the age verification thing finds a solution
[13:11]	Venus Petrov:	this is what i have been asking for, please.
[13:11]	Mags Indigo:	hi Marigold
[13:11]	Venus Petrov:	not a public forum
[13:11]	Venus Petrov:	on adult topics
[13:11]	Mags Indigo:	and Caitlin
[13:11]	Darrius Gothly:	Please do. At least it gives us a backroom to take topics that are too sensitive for general eyes.
[13:11]	bob Iwashi:	let ll hire a "social media networking noobie sex club forum integration manager!" to deal with it
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[13:11]	Amanda Linden:	keep in mind, that the community guideliens still apply even in private forums.
[13:12]	Amanda Linden:	meaning, i think that you'll all get really frustrated not being able to discuss adult things as freely as you would like.
[13:12]	Amanda Linden:	no nudity, etc.
[13:12]	Venus Petrov:	that is fine, at least the topics can be more , adult
[13:12]	Mags Indigo:	yes - I can be polite and avoid rude words
[13:12]	I do	hope the pictures posted too ^^
[13:12]	Peewee Musytari:	u can`t post nekkid? :((
[13:12]	Darrius Gothly:	e.g. Relationships and their intracacies.
[13:12]	Lord of	Dee (ciaran.laval): It's not a perving forum people are asking for Amanda!
[13:12]	Mags Indigo:	it's 'concepts' I think we'd like freedom over
[13:12]	Amanda Linden:	ok, but i think the frustration factno, i'm sorry.
[13:12]	Amanda Linden:	sorry, two thoughts in one.
[13:12]	Amanda Linden:	:)
[13:12]	speak for	yourself, Ciaran
[13:13]	Venus Petrov:	yes, relationship issues, etc
[13:13]	Darrius Gothly:	LOL @ Qie
[13:13]	Wilhiam Hydraconis:	heh
[13:13]	Amanda Linden:	venus, let me take that back.
[13:13]	Amanda Linden:	i realize you've been asking for a while.
[13:13]	Venus Petrov:	so a non-public forum where we can gain access via request to a linden
[13:13]	Venus Petrov:	yes, like weeks lol
[13:13]	Amanda Linden:	a private forum may be solution, as long as the guidelines are followed.
[13:13]	Venus Petrov:	that is all we are asking for
[13:13]	Amanda Linden:	blondin would need to manage, so i need to ask him.
[13:13]	Amanda Linden:	ok, gotchya.
[13:13]	Venus Petrov:	some privacy ...laughs
[13:13]	Amanda Linden:	progress, right?
[13:13]	Mags Indigo:	/me is wondering will Venus begin to tantrum etc if she doesn't get what she wants soon
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[13:14]	Venus Petrov:	laughs no
[13:14]	Mags Indigo:	not that I'm thinking of anyone in particular
[13:14]	Mags Indigo:	or anything
[13:14]	Darrius Gothly:	And the mods are made aware that concepts not fit for public consumption are okay to post in there.
[13:14]	Venus Petrov:	at least not that you would notice
[13:14]	Amanda Linden:	no, your request has been totally reasonable.
[13:14]	Wilhiam Hydraconis:	no Mags .. that'susually somebody else doing that ^.^
[13:14]	Amanda Linden:	venus, answer next week. promise.
[13:14]	Amanda Linden:	cool?
[13:14]	Mags Indigo:	/me grins at Wil
[13:14]	Venus Petrov:	thank you, Amanda
[13:14]	Amanda Linden:	kk
[13:14]	Dresden Ceriano:	unless the answer is no
[13:14]	Dresden Ceriano:	lol
[13:14]	Venus Petrov:	shush Dres!
[13:15]	Peewee Musytari:	lol
[13:15]	Amanda Linden:	now, interesting dconcept re: RIC.
[13:15]	Venus Petrov:	perish the thought
[13:15]	Wilhiam Hydraconis:	ah
[13:15]	Venus Petrov:	oh yes RIC
[13:15]	Amanda Linden:	i think that anyone can RIC any content on the forums/blogs.
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[13:15]	Amanda Linden:	not limited to those in the discussion. right lexie?
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[13:15]	Venus Petrov:	even ninja RIC? drive-by RIC?
[13:15]	Venus Petrov:	laughs
[13:15]	Veleda Lorakeet:	/me wonders what RIC is
[13:15]	Amanda Linden:	it doesn't happen too often actuall.
[13:15]	Wilhiam Hydraconis:	so RIC is rife for abuse :(
[13:15]	Amanda Linden:	reports are really calming down.
[13:15]	Darrius Gothly:	Report Inappropriate Content
[13:15]	Venus Petrov:	that is good to hear
[13:15]	Veleda Lorakeet:	ah ok
[13:16]	Amanda Linden:	yeah, no bans (assied from obvious spam) for two weeks now
[13:16]	Peewee Musytari:	wouldn`t u want to RIC spam without replying to it though?
[13:16]	Marianne McCann:	Reluctant Inner Core
[13:16]	Venus Petrov:	it just did not make sense to me that someone might RIC a post and not even have contributed to the topic
[13:16]	I think	trying to have the system filter who has participated in a thread before they can ric, would be a drain on the overall platform. We have many residents.
[13:16]	Amanda Linden:	that's not how the system works...
[13:16]	Dresden Ceriano:	aren't there repercussions for RICing inappropriately?
[13:16]	Wilhiam Hydraconis:	i noticed you don't get notified if being RIC'd against..
[13:16]	Venus Petrov:	well, my understanding is that a mod looks at each RIC
[13:16]	Darrius Gothly:	And just because you don't post .. doesn't mean you find the post "acceptable"
[13:17]	Amanda Linden:	mods do.
[13:17]	Lord of	Dee (ciaran.laval): Surely people should be able to report without participating
[13:17]	DogWomble Dollinger:	well, i think there is a bit of room for allowing randoms to RIC
[13:17]	Its also	not set up to work that way. We cannot flip a switch to make it happen.
[13:17]	today there	was a spam post about whatever horse ranch as favorite destination ....... would be strange to post there first ......
[13:17]	Marianne McCann:	Venus. Could not one see, say, a post that is clearly over the line and RIC without having to reply on the discussion? Does that not lead to posts of "Imma report you!"
[13:17]	Veleda Lorakeet:	And what is a forum without lurkers really, should they be void of rights?
[13:17]	DogWomble Dollinger:	there's the 'obvious' cases where that should happen, alerting to spam e
[13:17]	Venus Petrov:	neigh
[13:17]	before it	can be RIC'd
[13:17]	Venus Petrov:	laughs
[13:17]	bob Iwashi:	are teh mods lindens or scouts?
[13:17]	Amanda Linden:	guys, i need to step away for a few mins. have a blog post to push. stay tuned. be right back
[13:17]	Marigold Devin:	/me agrees with Darrius, you can disagree with the content of a thread/post without being part of it
[13:17]	Mods are	Lindens bob
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[13:17]	bob Iwashi:	hallelujah
[13:17]	Peewee Musytari:	yeah I agree, feeding a troll before reporting it seems odd to me
[13:18]	lol peewee	^^
[13:18]	bob Iwashi:	some sense left in the world then
[13:18]	Venus Petrov:	/me snorts
[13:18]	Darrius Gothly:	I don't gotta step in dog pooh to object to it on the sidewalk. (just saying...)
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[13:18]	Veleda Lorakeet:	Indeed
[13:18]	DogWomble Dollinger:	darrius i promise it's not mine
[13:18]	Dresden Ceriano:	lies
[13:18]	Dresden Ceriano:	lol
[13:18]	Darrius Gothly:	*sniff sniff* Yuo sure??? heheheh
[13:18]	Veleda Lorakeet:	Does it look happy?
[13:18]	Venus Petrov:	ewwwww
[13:19]	Veleda Lorakeet:	Than it might be from someone i know
[13:19]	Darrius Gothly:	Sorry .. we derailed you Amanda .. what about RIC's again?
[13:19]	bob Iwashi:	where's raymond linden today please lexie or jeremy?
[13:19]	bob Iwashi	has pinged you.
[13:19]	She stepped	away
[13:19]	Amanda Linden:	sorry--i need to step away for a sec.
[13:19]	raymond is	out today
[13:19]	Amanda Linden:	brb
[13:19]	Venus Petrov:	she said RIC early and often
[13:19]	he was	fired?
[13:19]	Darrius Gothly:	LOL
[13:19]	bob Iwashi:	oh :( he promised us an update
[13:19]	Liisa Runo:	(Wildcat, your AO is missing anim 'VAtalk01_SL_v01' and spamming errors)
[13:19]
[13:20]	on what	specifically?
[13:20]	Jeremy Linden:	Heh. Raymond is out today, but he will be back. :-)
[13:20]
[13:20]	I can	respond to the aganeda item about Answers and the naming of it.
[13:20]
[13:20]	DogWomble Dollinger:	deep voice: "i'll be back"
[13:20]	AO off	...
[13:20]	bob Iwashi:	on whether Support Lindens will hold a one off meeting to hear residents concerns over the scouts, and their lack of knowledge
[13:20]	Peewee Musytari:	ooh yus lexie
[13:21]	bob Iwashi:	and to let us know why we can no longer make complaint tickets
[13:21]	bob Iwashi:	to make our concerns known
[13:21]	We are	thinking about it, but it is not top of the list just yet. It would require lots of updates to things as well. Right now we are looking more at UI issues.
[13:21]	name change	is still on the table and I do think it makes sense
[13:21]	Peewee Musytari:	kk so its on the long term list?
[13:21]	Darrius Gothly:	TY
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[13:21]	Peewee Musytari:	kewl ty
[13:22]	I do	know that he raised the issue of UG with the support team, but I don't know what the result was..
[13:22]	Also the	Answers updates:
[13:22]	oh I	can answer that Bob
[13:22]	Peewee Musytari:	we are getting all our wish list Lexie? :D
[13:22]	edits the	agenda
[13:22]	Support User	Group - There is none planned at this time. But, there are some changes happening in support so we will keep the request on the radar and let you know if we have any news.
[13:22]	Marianne McCann:	/me wonders if we're on a set agenda today
[13:22]	Veleda Lorakeet:	oi
[13:23]	Veleda Lorakeet:	LOL
[13:23]	that is	a "maybe later"
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[13:23]	DogWomble Dollinger:	Marianne: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group :D
[13:23]	Darrius Gothly:	/me puts more icing on the Support UG "suggestion cake" ...
[13:23]	Amanda Linden:	ok, back
[13:23]	Marianne McCann:	/me smiles
[13:23]	Marianne McCann:	THaanks, Dog. It felt a bit scattered, so I wanted t'make sure
[13:23]	DogWomble Dollinger:	wb amanda
[13:23]	Peewee Musytari:	wb
[13:23]	Veleda Lorakeet:	wb
[13:23]	Mags Indigo:	wb
[13:23]	Amanda Linden:	thanks. just put up a blog post on the new sl viewer beta.
[13:23]	Marianne McCann:	Welcome back!
[13:23]	Amanda Linden:	oh, and did i mention enhanced avatar phyics?
[13:23]	Darrius Gothly:	Shame on you .. working during a meeting. LOL
[13:23]	Amanda Linden:	yes, bouncy.
[13:24]
[13:24]	Amanda Linden:	http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Tools-and-Technology/Introducing-the-Updated-SL-Viewer-Beta-with-Enhanced-Avatar/ba-p/803711
[13:24]	Amanda Linden:	(just an fyi.)
[13:24]	Peewee Musytari:	lol
[13:24]	DogWomble Dollinger:	you mean bouncy is coming to the main viewer?
[13:24]	Amanda Linden:	yep. it' is.
[13:24]	Veleda Lorakeet:	Ah that was the one that just downloaded Manada?
[13:24]	Veleda Lorakeet:	ehmAmanda
[13:24]	Amanda Linden:	it was updated 5 mins ago.
[13:24]	Marianne McCann:	I hope to one day see those. If v2.3 and above would stop, you know, lockign up on Macs.
[13:24]	Veleda Lorakeet:	Yes just got it
[13:24]	Peewee Musytari:	just don`t mention it on the forums lol
[13:24]	Amanda Linden:	yep, that's the new beta.
[13:24]	DogWomble Dollinger:	ok, i can see a new round of immature minded people having fun with that amanda :)
[13:24]	Venus Petrov:	lol Peewee
[13:24]	Amanda Linden:	well, it should be a crowd pleaser.
[13:25]	Amanda Linden:	:)
[13:25]	Amanda Linden:	ok, back to our meeting sorry.
[13:25]	Venus Petrov:	i think 'bounce' is an acceptable word..just bleep the body bits
[13:25]	Darrius Gothly:	<-- member of the immature and gleefully so crowd
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[13:25]	Amanda Linden:	where were we?
[13:25]	DogWomble Dollinger:	touche amanda
[13:25]	Lord of	Dee (ciaran.laval): You really need to fix visibility for your blog posts
[13:25]	Mags Indigo:	hmmm not too interested in 'physics'
[13:25]	Amanda Linden:	lexie, i tried to make it featured...
[13:25]	Wilhiam Hydraconis:	bouncing mammary glands .. yayz... :|
[13:25]	Mags Indigo:	at my age everything moves too much in rl
[13:25]	Amanda Linden:	oh well. technology/then featured.
[13:25]	Peewee Musytari:	lexie was about to make answers better :)
[13:25]	Darrius Gothly:	LOL @ Mags
[13:25]	Amanda Linden:	ok, carry on.
[13:25]	Veleda Lorakeet:	but we figured that you would be much more interested in avatars bouncing and jiggling :-)))
[13:25]	Mags Indigo:	I like things staying right where I put them here
[13:25]	Marianne McCann:	It's a fine feature I'll never have a use for. But I'm sure it's gonna be a hit
[13:26]	Marianne McCann:	/me grins
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[13:26]	Veleda Lorakeet:	Sorry about that :-)
[13:26]	I know	the layout is causing frustration
[13:26]	Peewee Musytari:	/me nods
[13:26]	It seems	to center around the comments portion
[13:26]	Marigold Devin:	It really is
[13:26]	Catwise Yoshikawa:	is a nice feture for machimina :p
[13:26]	Darrius Gothly:	*nods* @ Lexie
[13:26]	Dresden Ceriano:	i don't get it at all
[13:26]	Liisa Runo:	from the web page: "Since the physics are controlled by a wearable object, you have the ability to easily customize and personalize your settings just as if you were editing any other clothing item. So whether you want lots of movement, or only a bit, you can adjust your settings and they will apply only to your avatar’s targeted body part. "
[13:26]	Peewee Musytari:	very much so lexie
[13:26]	I think	there may be 2 possible options.
[13:27]	have all	comments expanded by default so it all flows better, ..
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[13:27]	Darrius Gothly:	(blech)
[13:27]	Or 2:	See if we can disable that comment feature
[13:27]	Darrius Gothly:	Turn it into the Forum Thread style presentation?
[13:27]	Lord of	Dee (ciaran.laval): There's a distinct lack of consistency with Answers
[13:28]	I am	checking on both options to see if either is something we can actually implement
[13:28]	Peewee Musytari:	there are other subforums that have the ability to mark correct answers and give kudos, but they are like normal forums...can it not just be made into one like that?
[13:28]	Wilhiam Hydraconis:	/me agrees . Make Answers like normal forum where commenting is concerned
[13:28]	t have	the answers yet but Im with you on trying to change it!
[13:28]	Darrius Gothly:	TY Lexie
[13:28]	Dresden Ceriano:	great
[13:28]	Marigold Devin:	Normal - more consistent. Especially for the newer residents who come along, its so confusing currently.
[13:29]	Peewee Accepted	solutions is part of answers. I think we want to keep that and it ties into the Answers style pages better than in the general forum layout
[13:29]	Peewee Musytari:	you can`t even mark a comment as the correct answer when it is, so its defeating the purpose of that aspect too
[13:29]	Venus Petrov:	you could even take away the kudos if you made it more 'regular forum-like'
[13:29]	Lord of	Dee (ciaran.laval): and can you make view all stay open? I click view all to see further questions and then when I go back to answers it's closed again
[13:29]	I can	check Lord of Dee
[13:30]	agreed on	the comment cannot be an "answer" peewee
[13:30]	Lord of	Dee (ciaran.laval): Thanks Lexie
[13:30]	that is	a bit confusing
[13:30]	Darrius Gothly:	There is some debate about what affect Kudos have on Rank. Can you confirm that Kudos do indeed figure into someone gaining (or losing) Rank?
[13:31]	but are	just one part of the formula
[13:31]	Peewee Musytari:	u can lose rank? eeps
[13:31]	Mags Indigo:	/me is doomed to never be ranked
[13:31]	Darrius Gothly:	Can you publish that formula please?
[13:31]	Marigold Devin:	I don't care about rank
[13:31]	Wilhiam Hydraconis:	oh.. no more Kudos for me please , everyone ;P :)
[13:31]	I see	some "experimenting" with that by Residents on the forum
[13:31]	Venus Petrov:	lol Wil
[13:31]	Darrius Gothly:	LOL @ experiments
[13:31]	Mags Indigo:	:-)
[13:31]	Peewee Musytari:	lol
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[13:32]	Marigold Devin:	But I will probably kudos peewee to the hilt because she is fabulous - and how that remark will put the cat among the pigeons I am sure
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[13:32]	Amanda Linden:	rand/jeremy do you have any updates for us re: KB?
[13:32]	Amanda Linden	has pinged you.
[13:32]	Peewee Musytari:	Aah!
[13:32]	Peewee Musytari:	too many koodies
[13:32]	Wilhiam Hydraconis:	pigeons ? .. i'm not with pigeons here, am i ? :|
[13:32]	some minor	things re: the KB
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[13:32]	Darrius Gothly:	Right now, because Rank formula is so hidden .. I think folks get the wrong idea about what it means. If we know how it's calculated, it would help us understand its meaning better.
[13:33]	Jeremy Linden:	/me is currently working on getting the existing KB articles up to date and into a consistent writing style. Slow but sure. :-)
[13:33]	ve added	the ability for KB articles edited by Resident contributors to use images from the wiki.
[13:33]	Venus Petrov:	yes, a bit of transparency would be helpful
[13:33]	Peewee Musytari:	seems to be a combo of solutions and koodies from what I`ve seen
[13:33]	if we	put the formula out there, it is more likely to be gamed. Don't you think?
[13:33]	Since most	of the current KB articles were migrated from wiki, the images stayed there, so this enables contributors to edit those articles without any issue
[13:34]	but we	could game it on a way better level Lexie ;)
[13:34]	Darrius Gothly:	No .. people will game no matter what. They're already doing it by experimenting. The desire to anti-game just hides the truth rather than deters the gamers.
[13:34]	Peewee Musytari:	heya rand...didn`t see u come in
[13:34]	Marigold Devin:	Not at all, Lexie. If anything is going to be gamed, its going to be gamed regardless.
[13:34]	Amanda Linden:	rand, hold on a sec.
[13:34]	Amanda Linden:	guess the kudos discussion wasn't finished. :)
[13:34]	And as	Lexie said, we're about to get the issue with prohibited HTML tags fixed (eg. etc) [13:34] [13:34] we at least can all game from the same start point [13:34] just change the formula; every other week multiply by -1 [13:35] Venus Petrov: laughs [13:35] Darrius Gothly: Evil Qie .. very very evil! LOL [13:35] Peewee Musytari: oh my lord [13:35] Veleda Lorakeet: /me coughs and slips away waving a bit with some extremity [13:35] Peewee Musytari: can u imagine the posts [13:35] Darrius Gothly: /me agrees with Dee ... puts us all on equal footing [13:35] I think knowing the contributing parts of the formula, as is stated on the Help info..should be enough. [13:35] ty Darrius :) [13:36] Mags Indigo: I might have to start being 'nice' [13:36] Mags Indigo: yuk [13:36] you all dont care about ranks anyway right? *wink* [13:36] Darrius Gothly: LOL [13:36] [13:36] Wilhiam Hydraconis: i don't wanna be some überkudo anway .. :| [13:36] but I think that was obvious :) [13:36] Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval): Yes Lexie, I'd rather mute them [13:36] Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval): :p [13:36] Mags Indigo: I'd like the rank of 'honoured crone' please [13:36] Darrius Gothly: It's more that people not deeply immersed in Forum Culture see the Ranks as meaning "That there is a good person .. cuz they haz rank." [13:36] Marigold Devin: Remove my rank and kudos, Lexie and watch. You'll get the same input from me, regardless, for whatever that's worth. [13:36] s Tshirts would they sell? [13:37] [13:37] Wilhiam Hydraconis: well said, Marigold .. applies to me as well [13:37] Peewee Musytari: so long as ranks don`t stop people doing what they want to do on the forums I`m not sure what diff it makes whats ranks we have tbh [13:37] Marigold Devin: It's misleading. Some people really don't seem to deserve their rank, it takes the michael out of those who do. [13:37] Marianne McCann: /me has managed to maintain her "honored whatever" rank regardless of current paeticipation, and is fine with this [13:37] Wilhiam Hydraconis: Ranking should be dropped. [13:37] Mags Indigo: /me doesn't care what rank she has [13:38] Marigold Devin: And Marianne, you have a special place on the forums as far as a lot of us are concerned. [13:38] Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval): It's when someone turns up in a forum where they have less knowledge that it potentially becomes an issue, there are folk in the scripting and building forums who are very knowledgeable in those areas [13:38] Wilhiam Hydraconis: Won't make you CEO anyway :| [13:38] yes Wil yes [13:38] Darrius Gothly: I'm quite happy with my orange bowling pin too .. but I'm thinking of the perception of others new to the Forums or just not deeply involved in the community. [13:38] Venus Petrov: doesn't care what rank Mags has either ã‹¡ [13:38] Amanda Linden: let's save ther est of the ranks/kudos convo for when raymond is back next week. [13:38] Mags Indigo: /me considers frowning at Venus [13:38] Marigold Devin: The poor sods who come looking for help won't even notice the ranking system. They just want help, from wherever they can get it. [13:38] Amanda Linden: he should hear this... [13:38] Darrius Gothly: *nods* [13:39] difference between HR and Member is you can add tags right [13:39] Peewee Musytari: i don`t think anyone new to the forums would know which rank was higher without looking up...the titles are very vague [13:39] Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval): I think finding their way back to their question is more of an issue for them Marigold [13:39] Marigold Devin: Make sure Raymond reads this transcript, then please. [13:39] [13:39] [13:39] Amanda Linden: will do. for sure. [13:39] Marigold Devin: Yes, ciaran, quite so. Its very hard for them to find their way back. I've taken to going into world to locate people I've attempted to help. [13:39] Marigold Devin: They all say its too complicated, the forum, as it is. [13:39] Venus Petrov: besides many have fixed their badges so that rank does not show unless one runs the mouse over it [13:40] Marigold Devin: And that would certainly seem to be true, because there are less people returning to the threads they have started, than on the old system [13:40] or a car Venus [13:40] Darrius Gothly: Someone IM'd me with a question 3 weeks ago. I replied in 10 minutes. That reply is still awaiting their return. LOL [13:40] Venus Petrov: laughs Dee [13:40] [13:40] Venus Petrov: semi [13:40] Marigold Devin: Exactly, Darrius, often happens [13:40] Peewee Musytari: i get PMs instead of people replying on their posts [13:40] yeah or IM [13:40] New Residents do forget to mark what answer helped them. But it doesnt mean they are not seeing it. [13:41] Marigold Devin: Yes, Peewee, I imagine you get a screenfull when you log in now. [13:41] Marigold Devin: As I did when ghost hunting [13:41] Peewee Musytari: yeah way more are gabbing me in world too [13:41] memakes note to PM Peewee with questions... [13:41] Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval): Agreed Lexie but they could do with a hand about navigation [13:41] Peewee Musytari: lololol [13:41] Venus Petrov: laughs [13:41] DogWomble Dollinger: mari, do we need to start a GhostBusters group in world? :) [13:41] Marigold Devin: And Peewee, if you're happy with that, then great, if you can help, then wonderful, but you don't work for LL [13:41] [13:41] Marigold Devin: DogWomble, no, the ghosting issue is fixed - for now. I believe [13:41] Peewee Musytari: i know venus does too lol...some the same people [13:41] Marianne McCann: Hmn? [13:41] Marigold Devin: Or point me to the nearest ghosts you know of [13:41] Marianne McCann: Oh, other Mari [13:42] DogWomble Dollinger: :) [13:42] oh ghosts go to Mari! [13:42] Venus Petrov: hehe yes Peewee [13:42] Marigold Devin: You're Mari, Marianne - you're older than me ;-))) [13:42] bob Iwashi: no it isn;t fixed [13:42] Darrius Gothly: too mani maris [13:42] Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval): There's only one Mari! [13:42] bob Iwashi: beleive me [13:42] Marianne McCann: :-P~~~ [13:42] bob Iwashi: none of them had a clue [13:42] Kraptacular Kat (bronson.blackadder): marigold is MGD [13:42] bob Iwashi: i spent 45 minutes in live herlp and wound up talking to 3 diff scouts when i were ghosted recently [13:42] Darrius Gothly: Did we draw a line around RICs Amanda? Or is that topic still open today? [13:42] bob Iwashi: none of them had a clue [13:42] Peewee Musytari: any progress on "bumping" threads or did I miss that update lexie? [13:43] Marigold Devin: Yes, BB :-)))) [13:43] bob Iwashi: abd all i was asking for a wasd a region restart [13:43] bob Iwashi: th scouts has no idea what "stuck presence" even meant! [13:43] Marigold Devin: /me gives bob all my sympathy - its hit and miss with the scouts for sure. [13:43] No progress on that one yet Peewee. It is on the list though [13:43] Peewee Musytari: kk ty [13:43] bob Iwashi: 45 ruddy minutes! [13:43] Amanda Linden: darrius--think we ended up that anyone (logged in) can report a RIC, but doesn't mean that it will be acted upon. will be evaluated tho. [13:43] Marianne McCann: Bob, my fave is getitng told to contact the estate owner when it's a mainland sim that's stuck. </offtopic> [13:43] Darrius Gothly: k .. ty [13:43] bob Iwashi: before that dude last year cut all the lindens, you cou,ld get a region restart in 5 minutes! [13:43] Marigold Devin: But valid, Mari, because its all about the lack of communication and inconsistency in certain areas [13:44] Venus Petrov: yes, that is what i heard [13:44] Marigold Devin: I want consistency! [13:44] Marianne McCann: /me nods [13:44] Amanda Linden: consistency in what respect? do tell more. [13:44] Catwise Yoshikawa: so there is no way a moderator could stay at night hours? guess lot of people are getting tired of the spammers [13:44] Marigold Devin: In the Scouts being fully trained, ,in there being help for basic account holders [13:44] bob Iwashi: how hard is it"hi i'm ghosted at my home on a mainladn sim, i'ver delted my cache manually tried the usual tips and trick can you restart the region please" [13:44] Amanda Linden: cat--we're actually looking into the night owl mod. [13:44] bob Iwashi: 45 minutes and 3 scouts later [13:45] Amanda Linden: trying to get budget for the extra person. [13:45] Amanda Linden: that's on my list. [13:45] Marigold Devin: Oh, and the Wasted guy, it took 3 whole hours before he got removed from the forums on the morning I saw him take the mickey out of Oskar Linden's post. Oskar had to come in after I emailed him and get that sorted. [13:45] bob Iwashi: afore soembody in concierge helped me out [13:45] Catwise Yoshikawa: is morning time for europeans...maybe an european moderator? :p [13:45] Darrius Gothly: Tell Rodvik we said it was okay to hire more people. [13:45] Marigold Devin: How come we - the residents - are seeing the spammer before the moderator on the forums??? [13:45] Amanda Linden: yeah, wasted has been a real problem. [13:45] Wilhiam Hydraconis: lol Darrius [13:45] Marianne McCann: I can adjust my sleep schedule Amanda... and I'd work cheap.... [13:45] Mags Indigo: how about ResMods with very limited powers? [13:45] Marianne McCann: /me winks [13:45] Darrius Gothly: <-- afk for a few .. brb [13:46] Amanda Linden: let's try to get a mod at night and then we'll work otu planned b's. [13:46] just add 2 extra moderators and the problem is solved, no? [13:46] Amanda Linden: plan be's [13:46] Amanda Linden: b's [13:46] Amanda Linden: can't type.:( [13:46] Marigold Devin: I don't think I am the only person who sees Wasted appear, submits an AR and then waits, and nothing happens for ages? When a mod should be there, also, refreshing the new threads page and zap him before he can get a-hold again [13:46] Catwise Yoshikawa: you are not alone Marigold :p [13:46] Venus Petrov: no, you 're not the only one [13:46] Amanda Linden: yep, i hear ya. very frustrating. [13:46] Marigold Devin: But Wasted isn't so bad - amusing really - but the eingee.com and other Linden Dollar spam ones are a risk to the newer residents. [13:47] Marigold Devin: And that isn't giving out a very positive impression of LL from the start. [13:47] Wilhiam Hydraconis: /me nods. [13:47] Amanda Linden: agreed. [13:47] Venus Petrov: Wasted is a spammer...a nuisance [13:47] Marigold Devin: And I thought I'd have nothing to say at this meeting! [13:47] god he is persistent [13:47] Catwise Yoshikawa: yes, I read some residents having problems using that site... [13:47] if they get 1 resident buying from them, they win ^^ [13:47] Amanda Linden: we're continuing to hone the span filters.but, it's tough. [13:47] Marigold Devin: Sorry, been bottling it all up [13:47] bob Iwashi: /me hears you marigold [13:47] Wilhiam Hydraconis: the LindenDollar spam is very disturbing [13:47] Peewee Musytari: lol marigold [13:47] Amanda Linden: keep reporting them. [13:47] We have cut off many of that eingee spammers methods and are working on more [13:47] Marigold Devin: Spam filters? Good grief! [13:47] Catwise Yoshikawa: he is a person with lot of free time :p [13:47] Marigold Devin: What about moderators using their eyes and commonsense now and again??? [13:48] it is an entrepreneur I think ->they never give up really! [13:48] he does the LL forum in the weekends and the 3rd party forums in the weekdays.... [13:48] Marigold Devin: These people, eingee and Wasted for example, have set times, set patterns, you can even almost set your watch by them [13:48] Mags Indigo: /me hands Marigold a cold beer [13:48] Marigold Devin: /me takes the beer gratefully. Thank you Mags *slurp* [13:48] Catwise Yoshikawa: marigold, there is not a moderatorat night...let's see what's ahppend when we have one ;--) [13:48] Used to Marigold. They are changing it up lately [13:48] Mags Indigo: :-) [13:48] oh he has a schedule cool:) [13:48] [13:48] [13:49] can u guys at LL not offer a job @Lindenlabs for WASTED? [13:49] Marigold Devin: Night for you, is 8am for me. Wasted is Spanish, 9am for him is midnight for SL time [13:49] Wilhiam Hydraconis: Wildcat ? ... you nuts ? ;P :O [13:49] Marigold Devin: I am sure Wasted has some very valid points. And these are getting lost in the clutter of his spammy threads. [13:49] [13:49] I see wasted in the weekends, psamming, he is in my timezone (europe) [13:49] Mags Indigo: most of the UK day in forums can be taken up by spam [13:49] Marianne McCann: Wildcat - Supervisor in charge of gamping games? [13:49] in mine too [13:49] [13:49] Amanda Linden: ok, we're in the last 10 mins. [13:49] Catwise Yoshikawa: nop, i'm spanish, I mean night for SL :p [13:49] [13:49] Amanda Linden: want to make srue we covered everything on the agenda. [13:49] Amanda Linden: only thing that we didn't get to was the referral bonus question. [13:50] Catwise Yoshikawa: I have to read all the spam when I wake up in the morning lol [13:50] Marigold Devin: Meanwhile, the forum looks a mess and becomes even harder to navigate, and its very offputting for all, especially those who, frustrating, seeking help, on basic (but with payment on file) are unable to access any help through the "Support" [13:50] Liisa Runo: i think offering a job to wasted is great idea, let him translate the signs to all 6000 languages [13:50] Marianne McCann: Did we get to Qie's as well? [13:50] Venus Petrov: yes that just came up today [13:50] Darrius Gothly: back [13:50] Amanda Linden: i know we have an internal referral bonus, but not sure about resi' bonus. [13:50] d in another point at the end [13:50] Amanda Linden: kk, refreshing [13:50] [13:50] Venus Petrov: it's in the viewer..might want to fix that then [13:50] Amanda Linden: don't think that we have one. but if you have a good candidate in mind, pass 'em along to us. [13:50] Amanda Linden: we'll make sure recruiters see the resume. [13:50] Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler): Referal Bonus for Users? I think got oe, jus afterthey were cancelled [13:51] Venus Petrov: well, the viewer has something about referral bonus for residents [13:51] Amanda Linden: ah, right. [13:51] Amanda Linden: no, i don't think there is one. [13:51] [13:51] Amanda Linden: in fact, i know there isn't. [13:51] Peewee Musytari: its on the email a snap window [13:51] Marigold Devin: Used to be in 2007 [13:51] Venus Petrov: oh might want to take that out then [13:51] Amanda Linden: will look at that. [13:51] Amanda Linden: and, land user group is the last question. [13:51] Marigold Devin: /me quietly sips the beer [13:51] Amanda Linden: no, there are no updates qie [13:51] me pouts silently [13:51] Amanda Linden: no land user group planned for now (aside from large estate private gropu) [13:51] Amanda Linden: group) [13:52] Arawn Graalrd (arawn.spitteler): e-mailing snapshots might refer to a referal bonus, but that would be viewer side [13:52] bob Iwashi: /me wishes nutbar was here to brighten up the meeting [13:52] Marianne McCann: Definitely a do want, Qie, Marketplace is steamrollering over land, MO [13:52] Marianne McCann: IMO* [13:52] Amanda Linden: nutbar? [13:52] bob Iwashi: adamburp [13:52] Amanda Linden: ;) [13:52] Amanda Linden: ah [13:53] bob Iwashi: the "one man band" [13:53] Amanda Linden: :) [13:53] DogWomble Dollinger: a rebel with a cause? [13:53] Amanda Linden: kk, any last things in the remaining mins? [13:53] Referral Bonus: http://secondlife.com/corporate/affiliate/?lang=en-US [13:53] Amanda Linden: ha, will look at that. [13:53] Wilhiam Hydraconis: yes Amanda .. RIC notification [13:54] Wilhiam Hydraconis: why don't you get notified when posts are pulled ? [13:54] Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval): Jack's meetings were at one stage for concierge users, can't we at least have one of those back [13:54] Amanda Linden: no, i'm sorry lord. not in the plans rightnow. [13:54] Amanda Linden: wilhiam, you're not notified when your posts get pulled? [13:54] Amanda Linden: you should be. [13:55] Marigold Devin: Wilhiam, you're getting posts pulled? ^^ [13:55] Amanda Linden: referral bonus program is still in place. [13:55] Amanda Linden: just confirmed with lead [13:55] Darrius Gothly: Well .. there ARE times when you know it's gonna get pulled. *grin* [13:55] Marianne McCann: Commerce is all over the marketplace, and it's getting a lot of resources and time spent on it. Land is, well... getting visually nothing, IMO. [13:55] Wilhiam Hydraconis: i wasn't , Amanda .. post was just pulled [13:55] Amanda Linden: i'll double confirm with mods that folks should be notified when their stuff is pulled. thanks for letting me know. [13:55] Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval): Land is getting a very raw deal considering it's the core backbone of the business model of LL [13:55] Marianne McCann: Would be nice t'see some sorta something [13:55] Marigold Devin: Maybe your post was pulled because it was a reply to someone else's and there's got pulled, you got caught in the fallout? [13:55] Darrius Gothly: When we get notified though, that counts against our "three strikes" .. right? [13:55] Wilhiam Hydraconis: ok Amanda [13:56] Amanda Linden: depends. [13:56] Amanda Linden: sometimes yes. sometimes no. [13:56] Amanda Linden: depends on the content. [13:56] Amanda Linden: sometimes it's just a friendly reminder. [13:56] Venus Petrov: Amanda, so the resident referral bonus is still 'real'? is that what I heard you say? [13:56] Wilhiam Hydraconis: no Marigold .. not the ase [13:56] Amanda Linden: yes, it's real. [13:56] Wilhiam Hydraconis: case [13:56] Darrius Gothly: The notifications sent differentiate which is which then? [13:56] Amanda Linden: i just confirmed. [13:56] Venus Petrov: thank you. [13:56] Marigold Devin: Tell me later, Wilhiam ;-)) [13:56] Wilhiam Hydraconis: ok [13:56] Amanda Linden: through the affiliate program. [13:56] Amanda Linden: :) [13:56] Mags Indigo: only within the first 30 days though? [13:56] Amanda Linden: whatever is up on that wiki is up to date [13:56] Amanda is there a life span on warnings? [13:57] Amanda Linden: (not my program) [13:57] Amanda Linden: we'll see. we're only a month in. [13:57] Amanda Linden: but, all warnings during the first week won't count towards your warning count. [13:57] Darrius Gothly: /me suggests a life span of 30 minutes. *cheeky grin* [13:57] [13:57] Mags Indigo: /me wonders if Amanda was a schoolteacher in her previous life [13:57] Amanda Linden: i think if enough time goes by, the old ones won't count. [13:58] Amanda Linden: not sure. we can talk about it together and make the right decision as a group. how does that sound? [13:58] kk thats what I'm looking at [13:58] Peewee Musytari: cos u will have so many newer ones? [13:58] Amanda Linden: ha mags. [13:58] Amanda Linden: in tech marketing my whole career. [13:58] Darrius Gothly: Seriously though .. they should have a life span that's reasonable. With a large "Lifetime Max" too. [13:58] I look for one a year [13:58] Mags Indigo: hmmm [13:59] Amanda Linden: well, let's revisit in a few months. [13:59] Amanda Linden: i'm totally open. [13:59] Darrius Gothly: TY [13:59] Venus Petrov: I guess they might be considered similar to HR warnings in employee files. [13:59] Marianne McCann: Gotta scoot.. Have fun, all! [13:59] [13:59] Darrius Gothly: TC Marianne [13:59] Amanda Linden: ok all. think that's abou tit. [13:59] Marigold Devin: /me waves at Mari Number 1 ;-) [13:59] Amanda Linden: bout it [13:59] 4 months wait was that out loud [13:59] [13:59] Amanda Linden: thanks to everyone who attended today. [13:59] Thanks for coming today [13:59] Amanda Linden: great session. [13:59] Marianne McCann: /me wave at Other Mari [13:59] Darrius Gothly: Amanda!! Watch your language! LOL [13:59] Marianne McCann: Bye Bye!! Generated with SLog Wikifier