User talk:Torley Linden

My work has moved me into other areas at Linden Lab and I'm no longer a wiki co-admin, so please don't expect a reply here. Occasionally, I post updates on my my.secondlife.com feed.

LSL Syntax highlighting on the wiki

Greetings, who's responsible at LL for the wiki? The syntax highlighting for LSL is really out-of-date. Could you give me a name of who I'd have to talk to? Or could you forward this link to a third-party editor to her/him as a reference, to the best of my knowledge it is up to date. -- Kireji Haiku 05:21, 8 October 2012 (PDT)

Kireji, thanks for getting in touch! I appreciate you compiling these improvements. I haven't worked closely on the wiki in awhile and I don't think we have a current wiki "sysadmin" but I'll ask around. - on 2012-10-08 @ 5:51 AM Pacific

Clean install

When I search for "Clean Install" I'm getting redirected to an unrelated KB article. I'm having to explain to an old user that wants to step over to the new (...) viewer how to do a clean install and how to set UDP. Since HTTP and old settings prevent people from stepping over from 1.23 to the new ones. Vick Forcella

I see that! I'll let the Documentation Team know, thanks Vick. - on 2012-07-10 @ 10:29 AM Pacific

Send Jeremy Linden your love! He fixed the wiki redirect and mentions: "The article on how to uninstall and reinstall Second Life should be: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/How-to-uninstall-and-reinstall-Second-Life/ta-p/1375231 / The article for using SL from behind a firewall is: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/Using-Second-Life-with-a-firewall/ta-p/1304539". - on 2012-07-10 @ 11:55 AM Pacific

Thank you Torley, Thank you Jeremy. I'd like to point out the UDP article I have on my personal page. The Debug menu has to be used since the other options are not available without a log-in. At least one user has encountered that problem. Vick Forcella 12:20, 10 July 2012 (PDT)

99.44% probability of being AI?

Or 99.44% chance of being a bar of ivory soap? Surely this is not a coincidence. -Reno Rowlands

Philip Linden/Rosedale's user page

Wondered if you know and can explain why Philip's user page has been deleted? I can't help thinking that he did play a minor part in SL's creation (Oooh! Sarcasm) and for him not to be featured on this wiki seems a little odd. Even ex-residents don't have their pages deleted. -- Fred Gandt ^{(talk|contribs)} 16:34, 23 July 2011 (PDT)

Display Names (or what ever it's being called at the moment)

Moving the display name articles around has broken a number of the links in the display name articles. -- Strife ^{(talk|contribs)} 18:16, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm fixing double redirects, which ones are still broken? Thanks Strife. - on 2010-10-27 @ 11:16 AM Pacific

Bea Linden's on the case right now, she noticed broken anchors! - on 2010-10-27 @ 11:23 AM Pacific

Very nice "How to search" video on the jira

Just hope people actually watch it before searching. I think the biggest problem resulting in dupes on an epic scale is panic (clearly not enough ppl have heard of "The Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy"). "I'm a cloud!" is so popular it could have it's own database. Of course it's understandable that ppl are freaked out and feel depersonalized. Thus the panic sets in and they just want help. Big button marked "Create Issue" and jobs-a-gooden (as we say in blighty (now and then)). Searching first brings up such a daunting list of matches that I assume ppl just think something like "This is a special case" (because to them it is). Dupe fest ensues.

On an unrelated note. I love your latest (I think it's your latest) album "Dream Journal 2". I mean it. It's excellent. I love the fact I can leave it on repeat without any continuity errors. It goes around and around and around.....each mood flowing into the next like syrup. Awesome! -- Fred Gandt ^{(talk|contribs)} 18:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Unlike some, I hearted the H2G2 movie. Sue Linden and I have embedded the video as a thumbnail on the front page of http://jira.secondlife.com , so hopefully it's hard to miss. Let me know if there's anywhere else it deserves to be shown in a big way.

And, my Dream Journal 2 counterpart thanks you — we make, break, and reshape loops, representing our particular fabrics of realities. :) - on 2010-09-20 @ 5:44 AM Pacific

"we make, break, and reshape loops, representing our particular fabrics of realities" <--- Easy for you to say!? Now try saying it ten times fast ;) -- Fred Gandt ^{(talk|contribs)} 00:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Second Life Railroad and related pages

Hi Torley. I wonder if you might review the continuing argument over the content of Second Life Railroad and (most if not all) related pages? The argument is both ugly to look at and feel (if you catch my drift). I can't see either side giving in so the ugly will probably just get uglier. Couldn't think who better than Jupiter (Bringer of Jollity) (You) to bring this to the attention of. -- Fred Gandt ^{(talk|contribs)} 02:18, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Me being one of the "guilty" parties there... lol. Anyway. We (Virtual railway Consortium) setup some wiki pages as neutral as possible from our point of view with the info available to us. We welcome the other party to edit the page. The only think I will stop him from doing is to discredit the VRC or it's members in public. I am trying to play nice. But man, is that ever so hard at the moment. --Stryker J 10:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I hear Holst! ;D Thanks for the heads-up, I posted on Talk:Second_Life_Railroad. Relevant link lists are fine. - on 2010-09-01 @ 5:00 AM Pacific

Looking at the answer you gave on the SLRR main info page you may not have seen the SLRR History page and the 'talk' going on there. Sort of the same but much more intense. --Stryker J 12:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Having a look now... - on 2010-09-01 @ 5:27 AM Pacific

Thanks Torley. And yes, Holst. Love that stuff. The Planets, Mahler's Symphony No.8 and Wagner's Ring Cycle (the full 16 hours!) are 3 (top of the list) pieces I would love to see live someday. Actually I'd have to add Elgar's Enigma Variations to that list too (it would be a very long list).

Anyhoo...TY-- Fred Gandt ^{(talk|contribs)} 14:59, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

And the fun continues... grumpff... please take an other look at Talk:Second Life Railroad. I resent having my group being called "vrc/mole group". Some LDPW moles are part of the membership on a voluntary basis. That does NOT make us a Mole group. I resent even more that I am accused of "propaganda" and "victimization" of people inside and outside the VRC membership! That really makes me sick. That is typically what I am struggling with for months now. Hope you are willing to take one last look at this and do something with it... even if it means deleting the page Yours Truly (in tears) --Stryker J 11:22, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

And it keeps getting better and better... Now the pages I helped create are cut by 50-70% of the Second Life Railroad/SLRR_History. Vital information is now missing and I had to undo the major changes on Second Life Railroad, But I kept the new stuff he put in. That was not good enough either... grumpff... Apparently it's 'his' way or no way at all! --Stryker J 10:14, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Not content with limiting the freedom of speech and information gathering on the SLRR pages, we now have to content with removal edits from our groups wiki railroad pages as well! Virtual_Railway_Consortium/SLRR_History_1, Virtual_Railway_Consortium/SLRR_History_2 and Virtual_Railway_Consortium/SLRR_Stations --Stryker J 12:02, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I've removed Jer Straaf's edit privileges; I already made it clear that groups can moderate the content on their own pages (and sub-pages). - on 2010-09-14 @ 6:10 AM Pacific

KB Article Correction

The KB article at Viewer 2 Moves incorrectly describes Clear Cache. To clear cache in Viewer 2, you use the Clear History button (same button you use for clearing browser history also clears the web and texture cache). The Reset button described, is for resetting the cache location back to the Second Life default location (though it will also clear cache if you have actually moved your cache location and are moving it back to default). Harleen Gretzky 14:11, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Good cache, um, catch! Thanks Harleen... updated. - on 2010-08-24 @ 5:05 AM Pacific

Extension request

Hi, how would I go by requesting an extention to be added to the wiki, or is it even allowed? --(talk) 19:40, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

For a name like that, you have a pretty signature. Feel free to request here — we don't get many requests and can't guarantee we'll include it, but if it could be broadly useful, it's worth knowing about. - on 2010-06-01 @ 12:47 PM Pacific

I thought it would be simple to have this [1] to replace certain strings globally for lindens use, but lindens can get requests for it.

--(talk) 21:43, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Good news! As shown on Special:Version we have that installed. Did you have a string replacement request? - on 2010-06-01 @ 2:53 PM Pacific

oh wow didn't know that page was there. Also not at the moment no, but abit ago I had to edit 10+ pages to change 1 word, so thought it would be a good extension. --(talk) 22:04, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Redirect delete?

Any chance you could delete this redirect? A few templates look at the existence of that page as evidence for whether or not the meeting happened. Also, is there anywhere else to go for these sorts of things in the future? (I was looking for a non-Linden but there doesn't seem to be any non-Linden admins... :P ) Celierra Darling 19:49, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes. Deleted. I don't know who else could really help but I've done lots of this so if you can batch up a list of these requests and add them here, or contact me via email, that'd be awesome. Thanks and good to hear from ya! - on 2010-05-10 @ 2:40 PM Pacific

There's a Template:Delete with a connected category named Category:Suggested For Deletion, though it's not yet monitored by Lindens. Maybe you can jump in? :)

-- ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:08, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out! Yeah, I promise to get to that this week and will let Doc Team know. I'm looking through it now and notice some of these pages don't have a stated reason why they should be deleted? - on 2010-05-11 @ 7:50 AM Pacific

Welcome! :)

Hm... I browsed through the category but couldn't find articles without reasoning. Though I'd suggest to remove the template when there's no apparent reason and/or to leave a note at the requesters talkpage.

-- ^{(talk|contribs)} 15:56, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Triage was canceled again, so now this page needs deleting, Thanks --Harleen Gretzky 05:01, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Would it not make more sense for the records to have a simple note on triage pages (when they don't happen as planned) describing that it was a non event, rather than having an unexplained hole in the records? No particular bother to me one way or the other. -- Fred Gandt ^{(talk|contribs)} 09:04, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Observant point, Fred. From experience I prefer stating a non-event, too. It's more specific. Harleen, what do you think? - on 2010-05-19 @ 7:20 AM Pacific

The problem is some pages depend on the non-existence of the page, like Bug Triage. When a page is created before it is known that the event is cancelled, the page is then moved to next week. This causes a redirect page to be automatically created to point the non-event date to the new date. But the bug triage page then lists the new date and the old date (which just redirects to the new date). Now if Template:Last Triage can be modified to detect the non-events somehow that might work. Example - 12:00 PM (noon) PDT 2010-05-24 Hippotropolis Meeting area 2010-05-17, here the link for 2010-05-17 redirects to the 2010-05-24 page, so both links display the same page. --Harleen Gretzky 23:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm currently not aware of an easy way on how to mod Template:LastTriage to check for cancelled events. However, it would be fairly easy when WEB-1579 would be deployed. I spoke with Yoz a couple of days ago and he said he'd consider it and relay it for a security check. It might get live in about a month or two... Maybe faster, when someone else could make a code review as well (it's a custom extension). -- ^{(talk|contribs)} 02:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of that context, so for now, I'll delete this particular triage redirect — and hope there's a better template in the future. - on 2010-05-20 @ 7:44 AM Pacific

Wufoo form question

Hi Torley

Zai suggested to bring this up here on your discussion page, as you'd know who would be responsible. So could you have a look at Where to file Policy Change Requests?, please? Thanks! --Boroondas Gupte 13:55, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Glad you asked. Yes, we can clarify this. I'll create an article and link from the form. - on 2010-03-29 @ 5:33 AM Pacific

Region table

Heyas :-)
I just noticed that this table is embedded in 3 LLO articles and should therefor probably be protected...-- ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:41, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

You caught me at the right moment! It should be, and is now. THANKS. - Torley on 2009-11-18 @ 2:43 PM PST

Welcome! :-)

One more that should probably go through the form thingy but since I'm trying to fix the localized versions:

In Linden Lab Official:Buying land in the Land Store there's a link to Homestead in #4, that's actually linking to the void sim article. I think it should go to Linden Lab Official:About Homesteads.

-- ^{(talk|contribs)} 23:09, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I'll take this too. Letting me know of quickies here is just fine, saves time for both of us. If you notice a whole bunch of stuff, you know what to do with sending a batch! I prefer those because I can work intensely on related items in a list.

And I just added a sig image link because I noticed you did yours! - on 2009-11-18 @ 3:33 PM Pacific

Hehe ^_^ you should try to toy around with that signature setting in preferences, tho it doesn't like templates, unfortunatly :-/

It substitutes templates with the underlaying code. That can be changed in the MediaWiki settings but is switched on by default since there is some policy in the English Wikipedia about templates in signatures.

At batches: Ah okies :-) will try to sum up fixes before submitting :-)

Cyas! -- ^{(talk|contribs)} 23:38, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of regions... I'm looking at the math used at Linden_Lab_Official:Homestead_FAQ#What's the policy for converting up an Openspace region to a Homestead region, a Homestead region to a Full region, or an Openspace region to a Full region? and it appears that if I convert 3 homestead regions into a single full region, LL would owe me $25 ($1000 - ($375 + $375 + $375 ) + $100 = -$25. This can't be correct... can it? -- Strife ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:08, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for calling that out, I'm going to get verification from Concierge & Billing TO BE SURE. - on 2009-11-23 @ 8:51 AM Pacific

Saw this...

Saw this made you this. -- Strife ^{(talk|contribs)} 07:41, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorcery! Seriously, thanks for your coding guruness. Oh! Can you provide some usage examples on that page, please? :) - Torley on 2009-11-18 @ 7:36 AM PST

Sure but i can't show them in action (can't have multiple TOCs in an article). -- Strife ^{(talk|contribs)} 21:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Yup I understand that part, just makes it easier for others to adopt! - on 2009-11-23 @ 10:22 AM Pacific

Inworld policy on bots

Hi Torley, I´m translating this article (CT-538) and in the section "How will this be enforced" it says "This time next week we will begin to routinely look at the Search results and where we find clear use of Bots to gain an unfair Search advantage we will be handling it as an abuse issue." Now I´m wondering if I should translate it like "We have begun to routinely..." or if I should just leave it as is as it is citing from the blog... --Torben Trautman 18:11, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Also I was wondering about this part: "Going forward we are going to look at ways to allow you to voluntarily identify to us that an account is a Bot, so that we can remove it from Traffic completely." I guess I´ll just leave everything as is and we update the article once it´s up to date? --Torben Trautman 18:24, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey Torben! I haven't personally checked the specific status of what's happening with bot enforcement, but yes, it's generally best to word things in present tense to bring them up-to-date. - Torley on 2009-11-02 @ 10:51 AM PST

reviewer status

Torley, I was wondering why my status as a reviewer was removed? Not sure if this is related to what happened earlier today but any insight either from you or Alexa would be appreciated. GW ^(T|C) -- 01:41, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I've emailed you about this. - Torley on 2009-10-28 @ 8:06 AM PST

I did not recieve the email, my email can be a bit strange sometimes, I'll IM you with an alternate email you can try. GW ^(T|C) -- 16:41, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Recieved and replied to. Thanks for re-sending. GW ^(T|C) -- 17:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

2 weird articles

Heyas! Me again :-)
Just stumbled about these two articles which feature the exact same content and which titles are wacko o.O. Can you fix?

• Region down regions down region down regions down
• Rollback rollback rollback roll back roll back

-- ^{(talk|contribs)} 17:31, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah! Keep adding any more you find right here, I'll be refreshing my talk page later after I get through your first (email) list... THANXARAMA. - Torley on 2009-10-14 @ 10:35 AM PST

OK, am done Fixing all micro formatting flaws (that I could find) in main namespace KB articles.

Not much but here's what I found, noted and didn't correct on my own but here's what I remember right now:

What is an avatar key? is same as What is a UUID?. Should be "an" UUID anyway, or?

Three images in Tips and Tricks: Better Building with Primfficiency! aren't working (weren't working in Parature either).

Also, the Style Guide mentions that the first appearance of trademarked terms should have their related trademark symbols. Template:Seal contains the terms "Second Life" and "Linden Lab". Would be clever to add ® there, then we won't have to manually fix it in each article for the actual content.

Maybe a link to the Community Translation Project would be a good idea in there. We're having no obvious link where people are encouraged to translate articles (would be of great benefit for the CT Project.

^{(talk|contribs)} 18:28, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

What a journey it's been! Fixed those and added notes where necessary. "Would be clever..." is VERY CLEVER INDEED! I'll let the list know (for this and other localization tasks that are related to KB work but not in the Doc Team's direct responsibilities). Also, I want to promote CTP more but need to get Noelle & Team's approval. So let's wait on them. - Torley on 2009-10-14 @ 4:01 PM PST

Heyas :-)

Yeah, was an awesome editing rampage you had there! It pushed you up to #3 ^_^

Alerted by an edit of JamesG Comsys, I noticed that there are three articles currently linking to a non-existend Concierge Support contact information article. These are:

• Linden Lab Official:Private Region (Island) Transfer Process
• Linden Lab Official:What's Concierge service and how do I get it?
• Linden Lab Official:What are the different levels of account membership?

I guess Concierge Support contact information might be one of the articles that should still be in Parature, since LL only makes these available to people with the right account status. So the blank Wiki article would best be removed and the LLO article links updated to point back to parature.

-- ^{(talk|contribs)} 17:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Good gosh, I can't have anyone thinking I'm slacking off here. ;) Thanx re: those Concierge articles, my able colleagues are inspecting that now. - Torley on 2009-10-19 @ 10:10 AM PST

Templates

Heyas :-)
To remarks about templates. One is related to the Template:Navbox subpages. I think, rather than using templates inside a navbox, it would be better to use a navbox inside a template. The advantages are: More freedom to change the appearance and less to type when you want to include it in an article.
So instead of

{{Navbox
|title={{Navbox/Adult-title}}
|content={{Navbox/Adult}}
}}

You'd create one Template:Adult Navbox and then use a {{Navbox|title=something|content=something else}} inside of it. You'd just have to add {{Adult Navbox}} to articles (looks cleaner) and you can style changes in the Adult Navbox without having to change the Navbox template (or all articles using it).

Another thing: some tags don't like wikicode as an argument. They don't interpret it as wikicode. <videoflash>, <lsl> and <pre> belong to these. They need to be treated with a {{#tag|parameter|argument1=value1|argument2=value2}} kind of setup, see the one on the bottom here. I changed it for Template:KBvideo.

cu :-) -- ^{(talk|contribs)} 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
P.S: After I realized that "greets" isn't a proper way to say "sincerly yours" in a less formal way in English, I'm in the dilemma of lacking a flowery phrase to end my mails and comments :-/ ^^

Hey Zai! I thought about "it would be better to use a navbox inside a template" too. But here's the problem: then what happens if I want to change the UNIVERSAL STYLE of all those navboxes? Or, what if I just want to include the article listing WITHOUT the box, as on Category:Adult? Anyway, we're still in the early stages here, so if this ends up being awkward, it surely will be replaced by a better way. That's evolution.

I'll check Template:KBvideo soon and appreciate your attention to detail.

"Greets" or "Cheers" is cool with me... heck, invent your unique own! - Torley on 2009-10-12 @ 11:57 AM PST

I thought this through some more (nested templates demand nested logic!) and now clearly understand the Template:Navbox benefits you're pointing out to me! I also misunderstood how styles get applied, so ignore my "UNIVERSAL STYLE" question. I'm going to make your suggested superior change to the "Adult" and "Xstreet" ones shortly. Good to catch this early! - Torley on 2009-10-12 @ 12:39 PM PST

Very welcome :-) btw: The {{#tag...etc markup workaround is attributed to Kuraiko. We had the same problem yesterday in another Wiki and he found the solution. Some documentation is really hidden away where you'd not expect it to be ^^

Cyas :-) -- ^{(talk|contribs)} 00:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Flagged Revs

Heyas Torley! :-)
I'm pretty sure you'd be interested in reading Enable FlaggedRevs only on specific pages. I didn't test it yet... But the answer came from one of the two Flagged Revs developers.
Cheers =) -- ^{(talk|contribs)} 01:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

YO ZAI! I'm back from the weekend and ready to rock. YES, THANK YOU for the proactive research — I'll check this out and make sure our Migration Team sees it. - Torley on 2009-09-08 @ 7:49 AM PST

Kewl, thx and ROCK ON! ^^ -- ^{(talk|contribs)} 19:18, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Funny

Just a short heads-up, that you pasted the wrong URL over here. I dunno which is the right one, or I would have corrected it... :-)
-- ^{(talk|contribs)} 05:59, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you fix a kinda embarassing word choice error of mine that got archived please?

a while ago, I was under the mistaken impression that the slang "bollocks" could be used in the same way as the slangs "damn" and "crap", though more recently I've read it is supposed to be used for a different meaning, would it be possible to replace the instance of that slang that got archived with the last version of my comment about my first link the Joss Stone video with your colortheme having become invalid, with "balls" please? (that one I'm sure I've seen british people using in the way I intended to)--TigroSpottystripes Katsu 12:53, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Sure, done. :) - Torley on 2009-07-20 @ 7:25 AM PST

Importing Wikipedia content - part 2

Torley, can you take a look at and chime in on Project:Editing_Discussion#Wikipedia_content_-_part_2? It's in regards to the steps that need to be taken on this end to implement Wikipedia content. Thanks. GW ^(T|C) -- 17:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

PNGs

	Note! OptiPNG FTW!
	A Resident has noticed you've been uploading PNG images lately. Please consider using a lossless recompression tool such as OptiPNG to reduce the file size without compromising on quality. Alternatively, consider uploading the PNG images as JPEGs!

A vidtut on how to use OptiPNG can be viewed on Template:OptiPNG FTW!

Please point me to any problematic images. I sometimes upload large screenshots but have them dynamically resized by MediaWiki into smaller JPGs, so the original PNG isn't shown in the page, anyway. - Torley on 2009-05-06 @ 6:00 AM PST

Hippos and Robots

Whoever is responsible for SL Knowledge Base: Hippo and SL Knowledge Base: Robots, please give them my kudos (^_^)
Greetz, Lynch ^{(talk|contribs)} 18:20, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll be sure to salute them all HIPPOTRONIC. With extra Auto-Tune on top. - Torley on 2009-04-29 @ 12:05 PM PST

So ahhh how'd you find these? And are there any others that are hilarious but not "real" KB articles? - Torley on 2009-04-29 @ 12:20 PM PST

They're gone ;_;

I found em when I searched for ban (I'm trying to populate wiki articles with KB article links) and they showed up in the search although not related... Although they're from 2007, there were hardly people who looked at them (had 20 page views before I spread the link via twitter...). I then tried to find others by manually adding KB ID's at the end of the link but with no success so far.

Lynch ^{(talk|contribs)} 19:33, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, we removed them, they were used for testing the KB eons ago. But they'll live on in our memory. Very clever! Hehe. - Torley on 2009-04-29 @ 12:37 PM PST