Doc Team/2009-10-21

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[13:00]	Niky Zenovka:	Hello Arawn
[13:00]	Arawn Spitteler:	Welcome back, Niky. It's one PM, and I'm wondering where the lindens are
[13:00]	Jeremy Linden:	Ayuh!
[13:00]	Arawn Spitteler:	Hey, Marianne
[13:01]	Marianne McCann:	Hiya
[13:01]	Daniel Voyager:	hiya Marianne
[13:01]	Jeremy Linden:	It's looking like no Jon and no Torley today... they're both way busy :-(
[13:01]	Arawn Spitteler:	Oh, Kate? Sweet Kate?
[13:01]	Jeremy Linden	puts Faux-Jon on his pedestal.
[13:02]	Bronson Blackadder:	hello Jeremy
[13:02]	Bronson Blackadder	has pinged you.
[13:02]	Arawn Spitteler:	Without Torley's Tweet, it'll be quieter.
[13:02]	Bronson Blackadder:	Nyx and Papi in the hot seat today I tell ya
[13:02]	Jeremy Linden:	Hello! Welcome to Documentation Office hours, where we ostensibly discuss all things SL-help related :-)
[13:03]	Jeremy Linden:	Uh oh... avatar troubles?
[13:03]	Niky Zenovka:	Or we can Tweet and mention @Torley... LOL... will reach the crowd...
[13:03]	Bronson Blackadder:	the encryption issue
[13:03]	Bronson Blackadder:	clent registry
[13:03]	Bronson Blackadder:	some peopel can be very touchy
[13:03]	Arawn Spitteler	quietly spams about the Burning Life - Second Sumerian Bank of Decommodification, at the top of his picks: Encryption? Sumerian Crypts were another issue
[13:03]	Bronson Blackadder:	now I cant spell
[13:03]	Bronson Blackadder:	lol
[13:04]	Arawn Spitteler:	I spell just fine, but my keyboard lags with most clients, and it's too long in back spacing
[13:04]	Jeremy Linden:	Hm. I wasn't aware of the issue you're talking about. I trust Nyx and BigPapi were able to answer professionally!
[13:05]	Bronson Blackadder:	yeah they were holding thier own
[13:05]	Marianne McCann	is mostly listening while working on some Bay City "paperwork"
[13:06]	Bronson Blackadder:	well I have a tip
[13:06]	Jeremy Linden:	Go for it!
[13:06]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	Greetings
[13:06]	Bronson Blackadder:	seems to work with a few people that have missing body parts issues
[13:06]	Jeremy Linden:	Heya.
[13:06]	Bronson Blackadder:	you know when you meet a person who have missing heads
[13:06]	Bronson Blackadder:	you can only see prim parts
[13:07]	Bronson Blackadder:	or eyes
[13:07]	Arawn Spitteler:	I haven't seen much of that lately
[13:07]	Bronson Blackadder:	you have to go into the advanced menu
[13:07]	Niky Zenovka:	ouch... usually I see the opposite...
[13:07]	Bronson Blackadder:	character
[13:07]	Bronson Blackadder:	character tests
[13:07]	Bronson Blackadder:	test male
[13:07]	Bronson Blackadder:	or test female
[13:08]	Bronson Blackadder:	resets to teh nooby look
[13:08]	Bronson Blackadder:	then you can re wear what you had on before
[13:08]	Arawn Spitteler:	Doesn't that effect your own avie?
[13:08]	Jeremy Linden:	Oh, I've seen that, yes. One classic, unexplained workaround for that is to switch your active group. I really confused BigPapi when I told him about that one.
[13:08]	Bronson Blackadder:	yes
[13:08]	Youri Ashton:	finnally.. finished that... hi all!
[13:08]	Bronson Blackadder:	but it resets your av
[13:09]	Bronson Blackadder:	works better then rebake
[13:09]	Niky Zenovka:	What about the flying feather de-ruth function? WOuldn't work as well?
[13:09]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	Your Client does send Data to the others in View
[13:09]	Youri Ashton:	alone today jeremy?
[13:09]	Youri Ashton	has pinged you.
[13:09]	Jeremy Linden:	It's starting to look that way :-)
[13:09]	Bronson Blackadder:	lol
[13:09]	Jeremy Linden:	Er, :-O
[13:09]	Youri Ashton:	i do see kate online :)
[13:10]	Jeremy Linden:	Jon and Torley definitely can't make it... I haven't heard from Kate.
[13:10]	Youri Ashton:	ill bugger her in im :p
[13:10]	Jeremy Linden:	How's everyone finding the new official knowledge base?
[13:10]	Arawn Spitteler	wonders if that terminology is uniform in application
[13:10]	Bronson Blackadder:	havent tried it yet
[13:10]	Bronson Blackadder:	lol
[13:11]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	not too bad
[13:11]	Youri Ashton:	i did receive one from kate, but havnt checked it yet
[13:11]	Bronson Blackadder:	wow
[13:11]	Arawn Spitteler:	Should I see what happens, when I click F1?
[13:12]	Bronson Blackadder:	this is quiet in comparison to Nyx's office hours
[13:12]	Bronson Blackadder:	lol
[13:12]	Jeremy Linden:	Yeah, this is what happens when Torley's not here :-)
[13:12]	Bronson Blackadder:	lol
[13:12]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	although I did try and get info on Black Avatar and it says No Pages Found
[13:12]	Jeremy Linden:	Uh oh!
[13:12]	Jeremy Linden:	We used to have an article on that... I think it went into detail about running SL on a secondary monitor.
[13:12]	Marianne McCann:	I usually fix that with a rebake or two
[13:13]	Youri Ashton:	you would say you are not as populair jeremy?
[13:13]	Youri Ashton	has pinged you.
[13:13]	Arawn Spitteler:	Black vatar meaning you ave a econd monitor?
[13:13]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	yes but the search should point to that
[13:13]	Jeremy Linden:	Sadly, I am not quite the force of personality that Torley is :-P
[13:13]	Bronson Blackadder:	lol
[13:13]	Jeremy Linden:	However, this attendance is way up from what we had before Torley came to our team!
[13:13]	Bronson Blackadder:	but we love you all the same
[13:13]	Youri Ashton:	hey fisher :)
[13:13]	Jeremy Linden:	Some weeks, Lindens outnumbered Residents :-P
[13:14]	Youri Ashton:	lol
[13:14]	Youri Ashton:	in some meetings its still more lindens then residents
[13:14]	Niky Zenovka:	Perhaps next office hours could be embedded in one of the Burning Life sims... :-D
[13:14]	Bronson Blackadder:	lol
[13:14]	Niky Zenovka:	Catch passing by people... lol
[13:14]	Jeremy Linden:	That could be fun... are there any documentation-themed exhibits?
[13:14]	Bronson Blackadder:	chat lag would kill it
[13:15]	Marianne McCann:	Burning Life willbe history by the next Office Hour
[13:15]	Niky Zenovka:	There are some nice sculpty places... Burning Life 2009 is really nice...
[13:15]	Jeremy Linden:	Heya Kate!
[13:15]	Youri Ashton:	hey kate! :p
[13:15]	Marianne McCann:	Hey Kate!
[13:15]	Niky Zenovka:	When it ends?
[13:15]	Marianne McCann:	Sunday
[13:15]	Youri Ashton:	read my im i see :p
[13:15]	Kate Linden:	Hi! My apologies for being late. Busy day!
[13:16]	Youri Ashton:	dont worry kate, great having you here as well :)
[13:16]	Niky Zenovka:	Hi Kate...
[13:16]	Jeremy Linden:	We've got a more laid-back feel this week!
[13:16]	Kate Linden:	Hi Niky :)
[13:16]	Bronson Blackadder:	less anger here
[13:16]	Bronson Blackadder:	lol
[13:16]	Kate Linden:	I love a peaceful moment :)
[13:16]	Bronson Blackadder:	I really dont see marianne getting uppity
[13:17]	Arawn Spitteler:	Welcome, Kate. Jeremy ws getting lonly, wondering if he wasn't as popular, but we all know, You, Jon and Jeremy aren't as nnearly mass market as Torly by himself
[13:17]	Arawn Spitteler	has pinged you.
[13:17]	Marianne McCann	grins
[13:17]	Kate Linden:	What was the topic before I arrived?
[13:17]	Arawn Spitteler:	Black Avatar should redirect to http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/My_avatar_is_all_black!
[13:17]	Marianne McCann:	I've been known to
[13:17]	Jeremy Linden:	However, we were at SLCC!
[13:17]	Marianne McCann:	Honest!
[13:17]	Youri Ashton:	ask jeremy :)
[13:17]	Youri Ashton	has pinged you.
[13:17]	Bronson Blackadder:	fixing a black avatar
[13:17]	Bronson Blackadder:	missing body parts
[13:17]	Niky Zenovka:	For black Avie, I tried switching skins a couple times...
[13:17]	Arawn Spitteler:	Actually, that page might as well redirect to Black Avatar
[13:18]	Jeremy Linden:	We're working on getting a Google search field into the public wiki... once that's in place, I would hope that searching will become much easier.
[13:18]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	I go into Appearance and do a Rebake
[13:19]	Bronson Blackadder:	there seems to be a few good fixes for that
[13:19]	Arawn Spitteler:	I don't think I've even seen that one, but have only a simple system
[13:19]	Niky Zenovka:	For missing parts or non-full rezz, I use de-ruth on Flying Feather... that push Avi to a 1000/2000 m altitude and brings back
[13:19]	Niky Zenovka:	Some times works....
[13:20]	Jeremy Linden:	I wonder if that works because it sends your avatar so far away it needs to re-render when it gets back?
[13:20]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	as a Mentor I hear that problem on people
[13:20]	Bronson Blackadder:	thats a clear visible cache function right?
[13:20]	Youri Ashton:	google search option should either do one of the following things: 1. open a new window showing the results, or 2. have a intergrated search on wiki itself which will cutt down lag as well
[13:20]	Niky Zenovka:	Think so, as it forces the re-render.
[13:20]	Bronson Blackadder:	sounds about right
[13:21]	Jeremy Linden:	As I understand it, Youri, there will be an additional search box on the left side of the page for searching the wiki with Google.
[13:21]	Youri Ashton:	searching the SL wiki? or all the internet?
[13:21]	Jeremy Linden:	Just the wiki :-)
[13:21]	Kate Linden:	There is a custom google search link on the KB page, that searches wiki.secondlife.com that can be used in the meanwhile: http://bit.ly/3BSlXn
[13:22]	Youri Ashton:	then i think it needs to be intergrated to be easier for everyone to use
[13:22]	Marianne McCann:	I would prefer integrated, myself
[13:22]	Youri Ashton:	a external result page only makes it less likely to be liked
[13:23]	Youri Ashton:	intergrated google search also opens up a lot more options in the future
[13:23]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	the KB should follow the KIS Rule
[13:23]	Niky Zenovka:	Would be nice if the search was linked to the Search within the Viewer.... like you Search Places, People, etc and could search on Wiki... just top right there...
[13:24]	Arawn Spitteler:	KIS,S?
[13:24]	Kate Linden:	You can get to it quickly by using "secondlife.com/kb" in your browser window also. (KB and google search link)
[13:24]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	Keep It Simple
[13:24]	Jeremy Linden:	Heh. I'm not the one doing the implementation, but if it's anything like what we've got set up on our internal wiki, I think Google search on the public wiki will be exactly what you're asking for.
[13:26]	Youri Ashton:	well, if intergrated, then yes
[13:26]	Niky Zenovka:	Blond moment... take back what I said...
[13:26]	Niky Zenovka:	It is there
[13:26]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	What about an SL search feature which makes a distinction between government sanctioned projects (colleges, universities) and others? Would that be a good idea?
[13:26]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	try Invisable Avatar thats been happening a lot lately
[13:26]	Arawn Spitteler:	Violates the 1st amendment
[13:27]	Jeremy Linden:	That's starting to wander outside Documentation's sphere of influence... we're mostly concerned with instructional information about Second Life, and how people access that information.
[13:27]	Youri Ashton:	or try avitars that get cutt in half when your cam is to far away, happens with snowglobe and ALL 1.23 versions
[13:28]	Arawn Spitteler:	Sounds like an expansion of searching PG - M - Adult - Endorsed
[13:28]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	Ah, alright Jeremy - apologies
[13:28]	Melchizedek Blauvelt	has pinged you.
[13:28]	Future Adamski:	hello
[13:28]	Jeremy Linden:	Hello!
[13:28]	Arawn Spitteler:	Greetings, Future, you've arrived
[13:28]	Bronson Blackadder:	hey the future arrived
[13:28]	Future Adamski:	yes here I am
[13:28]	Future Adamski:	:)
[13:29]	Kate Linden:	Glad you could join us today :)
[13:29]	Jeremy Linden:	No worries, Melchizedek... I'm happy to chat about it, but I can't guarantee any satisfying answers about things outside documentation :-)
[13:29]	Future Adamski:	you are a real Linden?
[13:29]	Arawn Spitteler:	It's too bad, that tommorrow never comes.
[13:29]	Kate Linden:	lol yes
[13:29]	Bronson Blackadder:	yes they are real lindens
[13:29]	Jeremy Linden:	I don't think anyone's ever called me fake...
[13:29]	Youri Ashton:	Kate and Jeremy are Lindens yeah
[13:29]	Youri Ashton	has pinged you.
[13:29]	Bronson Blackadder:	but you cant spend them
[13:29]	Future Adamski:	cool
[13:29]	Tillie Ariantho:	Fake Linden? :)
[13:29]	Youri Ashton:	Fisher is one as well
[13:29]	Kate Linden:	Well wait, the jello is a prim.
[13:30]	Niky Zenovka:	Guess I never saw Fisher before... Hi Fisher.
[13:30]	Arawn Spitteler:	Most with the Linden Name are real Lindens, they get annointed by the Linden Department of Personell, and get to use God-Mode and stuff
[13:30]	Fisher Linden:	Hey
[13:30]	Jeremy Linden:	Maybe I'm "not real" in the "life is just a dream" sense...
[13:30]	Youri Ashton:	if someone has the last name "Linden", you know you got a real Linden infront of you
[13:30]	Future Adamski:	wow
[13:30]	Arawn Spitteler:	Fisher Linden here? I never see him, somehow
[13:30]	Future Adamski:	I am honour
[13:30]	Marianne McCann:	Hey Fisher who still doesnt have a bear to his name
[13:30]	Marianne McCann	giggles
[13:30]	Youri Ashton:	if somoene claims to be a Linden, but does not have that name, its a fake
[13:30]	Future Adamski:	:)
[13:30]	Fisher Linden:	:-)
[13:30]	Fisher Linden:	sorry
[13:31]	Kate Linden:	The best way to identify an employee of Linden Lab inworld is to check the Profile.
[13:31]	Youri Ashton:	there are however Linden's, that have a test avi with lastname "Test" or several bots
[13:31]	Future Adamski:	so how is the future of SL?
[13:31]	Future Adamski:	:)
[13:31]	Marianne McCann:	"Tester"
[13:31]	Bronson Blackadder:	tester
[13:31]	kestryl Appin:	And there are some Lindens who aren't
[13:31]	Bronson Blackadder:	yep
[13:31]	Arawn Spitteler:	Lindens do walk about without their Linden Identities, and should, but we try to be polite and not notice
[13:31]	Jeremy Linden:	Tester accounts shouldn't be doing any Linden business besides testing, though!
[13:32]	Bronson Blackadder:	lol
[13:32]	Youri Ashton:	lol, yup jeremy
[13:32]	Youri Ashton	has pinged you.
[13:32]	Fisher Linden:	and usually on other grids
[13:32]	Bronson Blackadder:	so if you see one at a brothel testing.... in adult land
[13:32]	Bronson Blackadder:	feel free to send a message telling him to get back to work
[13:32]	Kate Linden:	More info: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Who_are_Lindens%3F
[13:32]	kestryl Appin:	*coughs* Cyn...*cough*
[13:32]	Kate Linden:	+1 for easy linking to KB articles. I'm elated.
[13:33]	Jeremy Linden:	Gasp!
[13:33]	Youri Ashton:	think that name isnt alloud by LL bronson :)
[13:33]	Youri Ashton:	for lindens at least...
[13:33]	Bronson Blackadder:	lol
[13:33]	Youri Ashton:	i did see a lot residents with names like that
[13:34]	Youri Ashton:	for example: Heil Hiller (which can obviously be translated to a RL name)
[13:34]	Bronson Blackadder:	lol
[13:34]	Bronson Blackadder:	god
[13:34]	Youri Ashton:	no joke
[13:35]	Bronson Blackadder:	BOO!!
[13:35]	Future Adamski:	it is laggy
[13:35]	Tillie Ariantho:	Only kiddies or brown shitbags would choose a name like that.
[13:35]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	its the 20 min silence thing
[13:35]	Bronson Blackadder:	oh for lag
[13:36]	Bronson Blackadder:	you can set your draw distance down
[13:36]	Bronson Blackadder:	that will help a little bit
[13:36]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	I turn off a lot of Rendering Types and Features
[13:36]	Youri Ashton:	not just kiddies or brown shitbags. also any idiot that comes on which happens to be griefer as well get such names
[13:36]	Bronson Blackadder:	I think in debug settings youcan make the far clip less then 64
[13:37]	Kate Linden:	Lowering particle count (to 256) helps also.
[13:37]	Bronson Blackadder:	yeah
[13:37]	Niky Zenovka:	256! Qoq
[13:37]	Future Adamski:	ok
[13:37]	Niky Zenovka:	Wow
[13:37]	Bronson Blackadder:	pratrtical can be a killer
[13:37]	Tillie Ariantho:	Youri: thats kiddies or brown shitbags mostoftn probably, too. ^^
[13:37]	Niky Zenovka:	That would destroy the effects
[13:37]	Bronson Blackadder:	what the hell di dI just type
[13:37]	Niky Zenovka:	Next turn shaders off and kill glow
[13:37]	Kate Linden:	Today's Second LIfe knowledge tip was about Show Updates. Do you use that feature?
[13:37]	Youri Ashton:	dont have to put draw distance that low
[13:37]	Bronson Blackadder:	particals can be a killer
[13:37]	Youri Ashton:	I got almost everything on max
[13:38]	Marianne McCann:	Kate - rarely. Usually when checking performance issues in a region
[13:38]	Niky Zenovka:	You can temporarily disable particles at
[13:38]	Tillie Ariantho:	Show Updates is helpful sometimes. :) For scripters.
[13:38]	Marianne McCann:	(Great for finding temp rezzers)
[13:38]	Tillie Ariantho:	Yah, for finding lag. ,)
[13:38]	Niky Zenovka:	View | HIde Particles
[13:38]	Niky Zenovka:	Embrace lag, could be worse, one could crash
[13:39]	Youri Ashton:	for even a better tip, dont go to sims that have a lot of residents
[13:39]	Bronson Blackadder:	lol
[13:39]	Kate Linden:	Yes, even for your own avatar when heading to a crowded location. It gives you a good idea of the data packets sent from any attachments you might be wearing.
[13:39]	Bronson Blackadder:	yep
[13:39]	Arawn Spitteler:	View| Hide PArticles <ctrl><alt><shft>=
[13:39]	Youri Ashton:	the more reidents, the more lag
[13:39]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	No crashing SL is stable now
[13:39]	Marianne McCann:	Lag is love!
[13:39]	Tillie Ariantho:	Here I can see that Arawn is a constant source of updates. :P
[13:39]	Bronson Blackadder:	avoid office hours
[13:39]	Niky Zenovka:	"I lag, therefore I am"
[13:39]	Bronson Blackadder:	too many lindens
[13:39]	Kate Linden:	Advanced > Show updates
[13:39]	Bronson Blackadder:	lol
[13:39]	Jeremy Linden:	Hah! I can just imagine, "Lag is other people."
[13:39]	Arawn Spitteler:	It might be my tail, which reshapes, rather than just playing with alpha
[13:40]	Tillie Ariantho:	^^
[13:40]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	lol
[13:40]	kestryl Appin:	Iunno, changing those setting in the middle of lag doesnt seem to help, and nothing short of a relog or boot seems to help
[13:40]	Marianne McCann:	Amazes me how many here do update frequently
[13:41]	Future Adamski:	maybe it is the region?
[13:41]	Bronson Blackadder:	sometimes
[13:41]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	anyone on Emerald will be updating a lot
[13:41]	Arawn Spitteler	welcomes all to Second Life/Lag/Laugh/Love: Where we laugh at life, and love lag, is the edge of Technology
[13:41]	Bronson Blackadder:	the number of running scripts in a region
[13:41]	Bronson Blackadder:	how many people in a region
[13:41]	Bronson Blackadder:	teh rendering cost of each person
[13:41]	Kate Linden:	This particular feature, Bronson, shows updates to objects.
[13:42]	Bronson Blackadder:	number of prims
[13:42]	Bronson Blackadder:	etc etc
[13:42]	Marianne McCann:	Avatars, scripts (and how involved + how compiled), physics, etc. A whole lot of elements. but even an empty sim will start to lag with even a handful of avatars
[13:42]	Arawn Spitteler:	My lagometer says RYG, which is usual. Scripts would cause the Server to lag, and prims could lag viewers withing draw distance, or the server.
[13:43]	Bronson Blackadder:	oh whats the feature I think I missed it
[13:43]	Kate Linden:	Show Updates
[13:43]	Bronson Blackadder:	advanced
[13:43]	Bronson Blackadder:	show updates
[13:43]	Youri Ashton:	to kill more lag, you can also try to turn off "Enable OpenGL Vertex Buffer Objects" which you can find under Hardware options
[13:43]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	I think there is some Throttling going on
[13:43]	Bronson Blackadder:	holy cow
[13:43]	Youri Ashton:	HOLY SHIT!!! cow? where?
[13:43]	Marianne McCann:	Best way to not experience lag is to not log in.
[13:43]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	lol
[13:43]	Bronson Blackadder:	looks like a lot of people with gas
[13:44]	Youri Ashton:	darned gesture...
[13:44]	Jeremy Linden:	Ooh, when I'm not typing, I don't update at all :-D
[13:44]	Bronson Blackadder:	lol
[13:44]	Marianne McCann:	but what's the fun in that?
[13:44]	Bronson Blackadder:	youri I love that gestuer where did you get it
[13:44]	Bronson Blackadder:	?
[13:44]	Future Adamski:	bise
[13:44]	Bronson Blackadder:	that was too funny
[13:44]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	just remember this ... There are No Problems ... Only opportunities to fix things
[13:44]	Youri Ashton:	lol, dont hear it myself, sound is muted for me
[13:45]	Youri Ashton:	lemme see which one it is
[13:45]	Bronson Blackadder:	cant stop laughing
[13:45]	Jeremy Linden:	Sounds like Unreal Tournament... but I don't remember that particular line.
[13:45]	Future Adamski:	where do Linden live?
[13:45]	Youri Ashton:	I'm Torley Linden, and BOY do I have a treat for you!!!
[13:45]	Youri Ashton	says "OMG!!!! Fleas!!!!"
[13:45]	Youri Ashton:	Hey, those fleas are LINDEN FLEAS, give them back!!!!
[13:45]	Bronson Blackadder:	between the update clouds and that gesture....
[13:46]	Future Adamski:	in the cloud?
[13:46]	Jeremy Linden:	Where do Lindens live? We are everywhere!
[13:46]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	No Fleas for me please
[13:46]	Youri Ashton:	think that is the one
[13:46]	Arawn Spitteler:	Lindens live under our beds
[13:46]	Future Adamski:	but where did you start to live?
[13:46]	Bronson Blackadder:	oh man thanks youri :)
[13:46]	Youri Ashton:	np
[13:46]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	they live Here right now
[13:46]	Future Adamski:	on a small cloud?
[13:46]	Bronson Blackadder:	I'll wait before making that active
[13:46]	Jeremy Linden:	Oh!
[13:47]	Jeremy Linden:	Well, Torley once told me he just sort of woke up under a tree here in SL one day.
[13:47]	Youri Ashton:	you are in the linden village, you can find most lindens here
[13:47]	Bronson Blackadder:	oh I'm sorry Future
[13:47]	Arawn Spitteler:	I think they live in states where hiring is allowed, now that Prospero's left
[13:47]	Bronson Blackadder:	I wasn;t saying the lindens live betewteen update clouds and a gesture
[13:47]	Youri Ashton:	I wake up every day somewhere else :)
[13:47]	Future Adamski:	under a tree?
[13:47]	Future Adamski:	but who made the tree?
[13:47]	Future Adamski:	:)
[13:47]	Lenaic Lane:	first time I come here... I am freanch... what is the aim of this meeting ?
[13:47]	Jeremy Linden:	Hey, his words, not mine. And this was before he was a Linden!
[13:48]	Arawn Spitteler:	I think most trees were made by jack Linden
[13:48]	Kate Linden:	Lenaic, welcome to the Documentation Team office hour.
[13:48]	Jeremy Linden:	Hi Lenaic! This meeting is mostly to discuss Second Life-related documentation, such as the Knowledge Base or the wiki.
[13:48]	Lenaic Lane:	thanks kate
[13:48]	Lenaic Lane:	ah ok
[13:48]	Future Adamski:	are there so many Linden?
[13:49]	Lenaic Lane:	the wiki, yes, I use it when I make scripts
[13:49]	Bronson Blackadder:	or how it spirals out of control on off topic subjects
[13:49]	Youri Ashton:	i got over 160 Linden bears
[13:49]	Arawn Spitteler:	Help -> About Second Life
[13:49]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	How many are there
[13:49]	Youri Ashton:	and still havnt found them all
[13:49]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	200
[13:49]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	300
[13:49]	Future Adamski:	wow
[13:49]	Marianne McCann:	Only 160? N00b
[13:49]	Kate Linden:	Futre, since this is our team office hour, usually Jon, Jeremy, Torley and myself are here. We also love when other Lindens come by to join us.
[13:49]	Marianne McCann	giggles
[13:49]	Kate Linden	has pinged you.
[13:49]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	I like this Impromtu format
[13:49]	Niky Zenovka:	When new Lindens are born, they appear in a Welcome Area?
[13:49]	Youri Ashton:	i only started April this year :)
[13:50]	Future Adamski:	i think it is good you are here to chat with the basis
[13:50]	Lenaic Lane:	so you are here to collect some information from the SL users
[13:50]	Jeremy Linden:	We try to keep it pretty informal, since we don't often have major upcoming features to discuss (the last few months being an exception)
[13:50]	Youri Ashton:	I see Nyx Linden usually popin a new test avi all the time, not sure where they start out
[13:50]	Kate Linden:	We're here to provide an opportunity for talking about topics related to Doc Team's work.
[13:51]	Lenaic Lane:	ok
[13:51]	Future Adamski:	Doc Teams work is?
[13:51]	Arawn Spitteler:	How to spend Office Hours is pretty much a personal preference. Some prepare, others play with trains
[13:51]	Kate Linden:	We create and maintain the Knowledge Base, primarily. We have other internal projects we provide documentation for as well.
[13:51]	Arawn Spitteler:	Documentation
[13:51]	Youri Ashton:	fisher sure loves meetings, so you may find more Linden's near office hours
[13:52]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	I use the KB a lot helping new people and try to direct them to it
[13:52]	kestryl Appin:	I thin, riht after they are born, well, when they turn 18 they now take new Lindens to Zindra
[13:52]	Lenaic Lane:	in fact I have not use it so much
[13:52]	Bronson Blackadder:	it should be easier to navigate now
[13:52]	Kate Linden:	XLR8RRICK has using the KB on the wiki been easier for you when helping new Residents?
[13:52]	kestryl Appin:	Or the places that havent complied *she grumbles
[13:52]	Jeremy Linden	doesn't know any Lindens who have been Lindens for 18 years :-O
[13:53]	Arawn Spitteler:	That's right, lindens have to show their I-9 Info, before coming in world as Lindens, so they'd ahve to be Age Qualified Ab Initio
[13:53]	Lenaic Lane:	sometimes, I think it is like a mess... difficult to find the accurate informaton
[13:53]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	for me yes but it is somewhat difficult for new people
[13:53]	Youri Ashton:	perhaps becouse Linden's were not called Lindens for that long :)
[13:53]	Marianne McCann:	Gotta scoot along. Have fun, all!
[13:53]	Youri Ashton:	1998 it all started
[13:53]	Marianne McCann:	Bye Bye!!
[13:53]	Lenaic Lane:	bye
[13:53]	Future Adamski:	bye Marianne
[13:53]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	Do you have Teen Lindens on the Teen Grid
[13:53]	Future Adamski:	11 years?
[13:53]	Youri Ashton:	they have
[13:54]	kestryl Appin:	Only took Neva a month and a half to comply *she grumbles under her breath
[13:54]	Kate Linden:	Have you tried showing them how to use ALL search to get to KB articles? I know you can't get them a link that way, but it's also good teaching them to "fish" on their own.
[13:54]	Youri Ashton:	euhm... think tomorrow there is a meeting on teen grid
[13:54]	Youri Ashton:	Blue pops in @ teengrid to my knowlage as well
[13:54]	Youri Ashton:	he got his avi actually from teengrid
[13:54]	Jeremy Linden:	Kate and I have office hours there!
[13:54]	Youri Ashton:	as he told me
[13:55]	kestryl Appin:	Do the teen grid only sell teen avi's?
[13:55]	kestryl Appin:	Does*
[13:55]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	and George goes there too
[13:55]	Fisher Linden:	My daughter is really unhappy with the teen grid
[13:55]	Arawn Spitteler:	I understand there's no intergrid commerce
[13:55]	Lenaic Lane:	sorry I have to go too... in France it is late.... I will try to visit you next time
[13:55]	Youri Ashton:	teengrid is not allowed to sell/buy things
[13:55]	Youri Ashton:	so far i know
[13:55]	Lenaic Lane:	bye all
[13:55]	Kate Linden:	Yes Blue has migrated to my TSL office hour and joins Jeremy and I there when he can :)
[13:55]	Kate Linden	has pinged you.
[13:55]	Future Adamski:	i have to go also
[13:56]	Future Adamski:	bye bye nice meeting you
[13:56]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	they are allowed to create things
[13:56]	Youri Ashton:	Blue is a great guy, you 2 should join his meeting later today :)
[13:56]	Jeremy Linden:	Thanks for coming!
[13:56]	Youri Ashton:	bye bye future :)
[13:56]	Future Adamski:	bye bye
[13:56]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	will do Bule later
[13:56]	Daniel Voyager:	From what I've heard TG residents cannot access XStreet SL...
[13:56]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	Blue
[13:56]	Lenaic Lane:	come on Flo
[13:56]	Bronson Blackadder:	and the future is now history
[13:56]	Arawn Spitteler:	No Buying or Selling, on Teen Grid?
[13:56]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	poor Hids
[13:56]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	Kids
[13:56]	Daniel Voyager:	They can buy/sell stuff on TG.
[13:57]	Youri Ashton:	teens are not allowed to my knowlage to have the full line of things we can on adult grid
[13:57]	Arawn Spitteler:	All our commercials Snafus are things kids should learn not to do
[13:57]	Youri Ashton:	due to the ToS
[13:57]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	Here is a Question Can Parents give L$ from here to Teen Grid
[13:57]	Youri Ashton:	not to my knowlage
[13:57]	Bronson Blackadder:	not that I know off
[13:57]	Daniel Voyager:	No.
[13:57]	Bronson Blackadder:	no intergrid
[13:57]	Youri Ashton:	think LL wont change that either
[13:58]	Arawn Spitteler:	Fisher would have to get a security clearence, to visit his own daughter
[13:58]	Kate Linden:	XLR8RRICK there is no transfer of objects or L$ between grids.
[13:58]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	How do the kids get L$
[13:58]	Fisher Linden:	got to run!
[13:58]	Youri Ashton:	Fisher is great, so he will with time :)
[13:58]	Jeremy Linden:	Thanks for coming, Fisher!
[13:58]	Youri Ashton:	bye bye fisher!
[13:58]	Daniel Voyager:	I think approved TSL adults can give teens money. Not sure...
[13:58]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	bye Fisher
[13:58]	Kate Linden:	They can earn it in TSL just like in SL or buy L$ the same way we do.
[13:59]	Youri Ashton:	they can? okay... didnt know
[13:59]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	CC or PP
[13:59]	kestryl Appin:	I was asking if they could only buy teen avatars
[13:59]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	at 13
[13:59]	Youri Ashton:	thought they were not allowed to
[13:59]	Arawn Spitteler:	There might be an avenue, through Lindex, requiring conversion to U$, at 10% loss
[13:59]	XLR8RRICK Hudson:	are they Transfered here at 18 yrs automatically
[13:59]	Daniel Voyager:	TG residents can buy teen avatars etc.
[14:00]	Daniel Voyager:	Correct.
[14:00]	Kate Linden:	Thanks for joining us this week. I enjoyed talking with you :)
[14:00]	kestryl Appin:	Just curious, so the etc is adult avatars?
[14:00]	Jeremy Linden:	2:00! Cutting here for the transcript.

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