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[13:04] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: but there lot more
[13:04] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: thanks
[13:04] Torley Linden: Verily, I apologize for my lateness!
[13:04] DrFran Babcock: hallo, TORLEY
[13:04] Torley Linden: My teleports were a-failin'!
[13:04] Kate Linden: SlCC was good. I think our workshop went well.
[13:04] Youri Ashton: torley will be here jackie
[13:04] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: for cuming guys
[13:04] Wallace Locke: I am great, kate. Thanks.
[13:05] Daniel Voyager: hey Torley
[13:05] yukii Chun: hello torley
[13:05] Youri Ashton: torley is here already
[13:05] Youri Ashton: lol
[13:05] Wallace Locke: HHI, Torley
[13:05] Youri Ashton: hi torley
[13:05] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: torly?
[13:05] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: i cant see him
[13:05] Youri Ashton: on the other couch
[13:05] Torley Linden: I'm sitting down and should rez momentarily. :)
[13:05] Youri Ashton: left of you
[13:05] Torley Linden: Then again, I look just like Daniel.
[13:05] Ricken Flow: Hello Everyone Kate, Daniel, Your, Torley
[13:05] Youri Ashton: jackie is new to this :)
[13:05] Daniel Voyager: lol, Torley
[13:05] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: ye
[13:05] Torley Linden: A warm welcome aboard, jackie!
[13:05] Kate Linden: Welcome Jackie
[13:05] Youri Ashton: hey jon :)
[13:06] yukii Chun: hello jon
[13:06] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: thanks
[13:06] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: :)
[13:06] Gwydion Dovgal: Hi all
[13:06] Jon Linden: hello everyone!
[13:06] DrFran Babcock: hello, Jon, nice entrance
[13:06] Wallace Locke: hello, Jon
[13:06] Youri Ashton: almost the right chair jon :p
[13:06] Youri Ashton: few steps back :p
[13:06] Jon Linden chuckles
[13:06] Jon Linden: just making sure nobody's in it yet
[13:06] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: i cam here to see torly but there lot MORE PEOPLE :)
[13:06] Daniel Voyager: hey Colton
[13:06] DrFran Babcock: hello, Coltonh
[13:06] Youri Ashton: :)
[13:06] Colton Linden: hia
[13:06] DrFran Babcock waves to Arawn
[13:07] Youri Ashton: hey colton, nice seeing you again!
[13:07] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: hiya
[13:07] Ricken Flow: hey Colton
[13:07] Basic Chair: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[13:07] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: WOW
[13:07] Arawn Spitteler: Hey, DrFran, et al
[13:07] Memory Core: word spreads fast on twitter heh
[13:07] DrFran Babcock is not proudn, will ask for bears.
[13:07] Arawn Spitteler: Alexander, where'd you get the Panda
[13:07] Jon Linden: please direct all bear requests to IM; they're easier to handle that way
[13:07] Alexander9 Carver: grendales children
[13:08] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: torly are you the panda?
[13:08] Jon Linden: grendel's does excellent work
[13:08] Torley Linden: Ah, Twitter. What a fun tool.
[13:08] Ricken Flow: we should make Jeremy bring everyone a bottle of wine when he gets back
[13:08] Torley Linden: jackie, I'm next to the panda.
[13:08] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: hm
[13:08] Arawn Spitteler: Oh, Kate, I couldn't catch you, since last wednesday. Schmooze-Lagged at SLCC?
[13:09] Youri Ashton: takea seat colton, the chairs wont bite you :)
[13:09] Marianne McCann: Hiya
[13:09] Arawn Spitteler: Hey, Marianne, what's your game, now (can anybody play?)
[13:09] Marianne McCann: I have a game?
[13:09] Marianne McCann giggles
[13:10] Jon Linden: hello Marianne!
[13:10] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: lots of lag
[13:10] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: im going to relog
[13:10] Marianne McCann: Hey Jon! Jon, Kate, Colton... nice to meetcha at SLCC
[13:10] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: BRB
[13:10] Youri Ashton: oh torley, you asked last time something, about placing your deshboard on my website?
[13:10] Youri Ashton: think we should have contact about that after the meeting if you have time
[13:10] Kate Linden: Arawn, the workshop ran a little late and we only had a few minutes to setup tech. Sorry we missed you!
[13:10] Youri Ashton: the website is already operational
[13:11] Arawn Spitteler: Normalities happen: Were any MREvents recorded
[13:11] Torley Linden: Youri, please go on... ? Refresh my memory?
[13:12] Torley Linden: And I'm sorry I can't reply to IMs at the moment, please ask in the open.
[13:12] Youri Ashton: there will be more 'official' LL stuff on my website, CT projects for example
[13:12] Youri Ashton: euhm.. lemme get the text
[13:12] Youri Ashton: Torley Linden: What would be its purpose and function, Youri? :)

Youri Ashton: i dont kno yet torley, most likely linked to my twitter for first, alo adding pictures of my latest build, think ill add a blog as well

[13:13] helper is ready and operational.
[13:13] Youri Ashton: website link:
[13:13] Youri Ashton: last blog message
[13:14] Drell Tool v3.05: Entering Beaumont with lag 21%
[13:14] Mathew Frequency: Hai Torley :)
[13:15] Youri Ashton: hi mat
[13:15] Mathew Frequency: And Hai All :)
[13:15] Marianne McCann: Hiya
[13:15] Torley Linden: Thanks Youri. Ooh, I just blogged about Seawolf.
[13:15] Torley Linden: OHAI Mathew!
[13:15] Kate Linden: Hey Marianne, it was great meeting you at SLCC too!
[13:15] Youri Ashton: haha, cool :)
[13:15] Thunderclap Morgridge: cant be here long
[13:15] Mathew Frequency: Hi Kate :)
[13:15] Kate Linden: Hi Matthew :)
[13:15] Mathew Frequency: and Jon :)
[13:15] Mathew Frequency: and Colton :) XD
[13:15] Arawn Spitteler: So, were any Mixed Reality Events recorded?
[13:15] Torley Linden: I'm sorry Youri, I'm still not clear on what you'd like to achieve? It's good you have a blog tho. :)
[13:15] Marianne McCann: I'm still diestign the SLCC experience. How it is different from meeting u in here, how it augments th' experience an all that
[13:15] Youri Ashton: please do let me know more when you have the time torley! I love to add your request
[13:16] Robbo Mills: hello to everyone :)
[13:16] Mathew Frequency: and CG :)
[13:16] Marianne McCann: digestin'*
[13:16] CyFishy Traveler couldn't make it to SLCC . . . but wanted to.
[13:16] Youri Ashton: ill quote you again torley: Torley Linden: Youri, it's possible the My Dashboard section will allow for some of that. We're going to add more customization.
[13:16] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: im back
[13:16] yukii Chun: im too far to go to SLCC
[13:16] Ricken Flow: How did you like it Marianne? for me trying to stay atop of the presentations in-world had its ups and downs
[13:16] Marianne McCann: Welcome back!
[13:16] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: thanks guys
[13:17] Kate Linden: Marianne, when I meet someone in SL, I tend to remember them by name vs. avatar appearance, and when I meet them in person, such as at SLCC, I remember faces and not as good with names.
[13:17] Drell Tool v3.05: Entering Beaumont with lag 73%
[13:17] Julifer Qork: back? I've never been here before!
[13:17] Marianne McCann: Ricken: I liked it a lot. I did see one of the keynotes purely inworld, and can agree on some of that
[13:17] Youri Ashton: kate: i keep changing avi's and you seem to remember me :p
[13:17] Kate Linden: Welcome Julifer
[13:17] Ardy Lay: Somebody tun off the lag generators.
[13:17] Torley Linden: Yes Youri, but I'm not sure how that goes with your request?
[13:17] Marianne McCann: Ya, you can't rely on the visual at all at an event like SLCC. Very few look the same IRL
[13:17] Kate Linden: I remember you by name Youri
[13:18] Thunderclap Morgridge: my avatar looks better than me
[13:18] CyFishy Traveler: I don't even look the same inworld half the time.
[13:18] DrFran Babcock accepted your inventory offer.
[13:18] DrFran Babcock accepted your inventory offer.
[13:18] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: torly must be the bird
[13:18] Robbo Mills: I have more hair than my avatar - but not in the right places.
[13:18] Marianne McCann: It is interesting that you can also get a sense of the personalities in either existance, really
[13:18] Youri Ashton: well, i would like to help you with your request and add it indeed to the website, since it is not just a blog. its a database as well and strictly on SL pointed
[13:18] Arawn Spitteler: If there's a cross between Big Bird and a watermelon, that's Torley
[13:18] Ricken Flow: It was a bit difficult to follow presentations that had slides all we got was the audio streaming in but overall it was good I was thankful to be able to participant in some panels from in-world
[13:19] Thunderclap Morgridge: Big Melon!
[13:19] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: LOL
[13:19] Ricken Flow: and a rag doll
[13:19] Youri Ashton: so, if you like to help me out with the propper contents, then i can add these to the website
[13:19] R0N Paule: Peels here
[13:19] Torley Linden: Youri, I don't know what you want to add? Can you please repeat from the beginning? I'm sorry.
[13:20] Robbo Mills: Anyone know of any practical mobile apps to access SL?
[13:20] Arawn Spitteler: Kate has it easy. I've no memory for names, or faces, and have to track down people who've died three thousand years ago, who've since changed names, faces, sexes, species, and Social Security Numbers.
[13:20] Thunderclap Morgridge: othewr than ajax life no
[13:20] Sufia Shepherd: hello
[13:20] Youri Ashton: lol, sorry, i have a feeling my social disability takes effect once again, let me try again.
[13:20] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: hi there
[13:20] Thunderclap Morgridge: Robbo most have been cuistoms
[13:20] Marianne McCann: I've used SparkleIM with some success, Robbo. It's non-graphical, but useful for IMs, etc.
[13:20] Thunderclap Morgridge: but you can try with Iphone and G1
[13:21] DrFran Babcock: yes, me too, MM
[13:21] CyFishy Traveler: Is ajax life still around? I tried to use it on my iphone and didn't get through.
[13:21] Thunderclap Morgridge: yes
[13:21] Thunderclap Morgridge: as fara as I know
[13:21] DrFran Babcock: I can't get it any more CyF
[13:21] Marianne McCann: I had limited success with AjaxLife on my iPhone
[13:21] Kate Linden: Arawn, sounds exciting to research chains of surnames that far back.
[13:21] Daniel Voyager:
[13:21] Robbo Mills: Yeah, it's the full in-world experience I want. Like I don't get enough already I have to do it while wandering through traffic.
[13:21] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: :O
[13:21] Youri Ashton: last week i mentioned thinking about starting my own website, which made you ask if I was willing to place possible the My Dashboard section on it.
[13:21] Marianne McCann: Hey Arwyn!
[13:21] Arwyn Quandry: Hi Mari!
[13:22] Marianne McCann grins
[13:22] Alexander9 Carver: hi arwyn
[13:22] Arwyn Quandry: Hey Alex
[13:22] Thunderclap Morgridge: well Iam out got to go back to work folks
[13:22] Daniel Voyager: Hey Arwyn
[13:22] Daniel Voyager: welcome
[13:22] Arwyn Quandry: Hi Daniel.
[13:22] Kate Linden: oh youri, each person has a dashboard called "My Dashboard" which might be what was referred to vs. Torley's own dashboard.
[13:22] Thunderclap Morgridge: If Blue is having office hours I will be there
[13:22] Youri Ashton: Sicne the website is ready, and i got the time to place your request, i was wondering if you had time to help me out on the further info on that
[13:23] Daniel Voyager: Blue Linden: The SL Volunteer Program, New User Experience  (Starts in 2 hours 38 minutes)
[13:23] Arawn Spitteler: Oh, I find Starrry Night is no longer available
[13:23] Marianne McCann: I like the new dashboard, and the searchable maps are hot
[13:23] Torley Linden: Yeah Youri, pardon, I think there's been a misunderstanding, I was referring to My Dashboard which is a feature of the upcoming redesign and currently in beta.
[13:23] Youri Ashton: kate: oh okay, not sure what he ment in the first place at that time, but i do think its a great idea to add some 'official' things to this website
[13:23] Arwyn Quandry: Hai Torley. ;D
[13:23] Torley Linden: You could always link to general useful links on though. :)
[13:24] Torley Linden: Hai Arwyn! Glad you could make our office hours. How are you liking the Main Grid so far?
[13:24] Youri Ashton: torley: ahh okay, well no problem! please do enlighten me further once you, or any of the doc team have more time. ill be more then willing to add it!
[13:24] Arwyn Quandry: It's pretty good and really big! I get confused easily
[13:24] Robbo Mills: Oh geez - I just realized the jello mould was an AV. LOL
[13:24] Torley Linden: LOL R0N you don't look like a surgeon or politician... more like a gambler!
[13:24] Kate Linden: hey Arwyn!
[13:24] Robbo Mills: Hi Jon.
[13:24] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: i wood add you all to my frend but there meny of you
[13:24] Arwyn Quandry: Hi Kate!
[13:25] Torley Linden: Youri, the current info we have on  :) There'll likely be an update in the future.
[13:25] Torley Linden: Jon gets those reactions, hur hur hurrr!
[13:25] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: illl try
[13:25] Youri Ashton: okat, thanks torley! ill copy the link :)
[13:25] Marianne McCann: That does happen, Arwyn. After 3 1/2 years I don't often get confused... but it does still happen now and then.
[13:25] Robbo Mills: Small quibble - the bananas should be sliced. But recipes vary.
[13:25] Kate Linden: lol
[13:25] Arwyn Quandry: I like the dashboards, they can be pretty helpful, but even the teen ones show XStreet info and only the MG amp
[13:26] Jon Linden: i should sit on a different chair that makes me change position from time to time
[13:26] Jon Linden: there would be a telltale jiggle
[13:26] Torley Linden: Please send friendship requests to Torley Olmstead, that's mah alt. :)
[13:26] Robbo Mills: Ahh - the tell-tale jiggle.
[13:26] Torley Linden: As noted in mah profile.
[13:26] DrFran Babcock loves telltale jiggles
[13:26] August Lusch: Torley have you been watching too many Westerns?
[13:26] Youri Ashton: Torley: mind if i copy pasted the entire text and pictures? Think that makes the best way to let people understand it better
[13:27] Torley Linden: August, not yet.
[13:27] Torley Linden: OK Youri. :)
[13:27] Youri Ashton: okay, thanks :)
[13:27] August Lusch: wait till you get cracking into that Quantumn Leap boxset!
[13:27] Youri Ashton: ill creat it after Blue's meeting and upload it as well :)
[13:27] DrFran Babcock wavies to wae
[13:27] August Lusch: hey Wae!
[13:27] Torley Linden: Oh yeah I gotta clarify that on Twitter... it's actually a DIFFERENT Quantum Leap.
[13:27] waelya Tenk: hello friends!!! : )
[13:27] waelya Tenk: argh i cant see still
[13:28] Torley Linden: Which may have more DVDs than the TV show with Scott Bakula (bless his heart).
[13:28] Kate Linden: brb
[13:28] August Lusch: there's a different Quantumn Leap...eek
[13:28] Torley Linden:
[13:28] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: did i miss eney one?
[13:28] Torley Linden: ^ sound design needs serious tools!
[13:28] Youri Ashton: should not take more then 1 hours i guess (6pm SL time?)
[13:28] Croft Crystal: omg whos is jurassic park
[13:29] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: me lol
[13:29] Croft Crystal: aloha
[13:29] Torley Linden: Hugo, that's ominous, a pink-green puff!
[13:29] Croft Crystal: sl crash i ll be back hahah
[13:29] Hugo Dalgleish: It'll change in a few seconds Torley
[13:30] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: is ivery one on my frend list?
[13:30] Torley Linden: If anyone needs a short URL to our Tips & Tricks blog, it's , as shown explosively in this mini-advert:
[13:30] Universal Translator: Welcome to the Universal Translator. To configure options type "translator" into public chat. For privacy use channel #777 by typing "/777 translator".
[13:30] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: did i miss eney one?
[13:30] August Lusch: Jon, you look delicious...I rarely say that to an avatar...
[13:30] Marianne McCann: o.O
[13:30] Torley Linden: We might almost have a zoo here.
[13:30] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: lol
[13:31] RiderX Spitteler: Hi all :)
[13:31] Marianne McCann: 's one of the things I always love in SL. It's th' diversity of our personal beings.
[13:31] Torley Linden: Yes, I love hearing why people decided to choose a particular avatar. What it means to them.
[13:31] Jon Linden: i can't take the credit; i got this at Grendel's Children a while ago
[13:31] Marianne McCann nods
[13:31] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: :O
[13:31] Robbo Mills: We should do a Come As Your Snack avatar party.
[13:31] Marianne McCann giggles
[13:31] Torley Linden: That would certainly be a... snacktivity.
[13:31] Kate Linden: I'm back
[13:32] Youri Ashton: wb kate!
[13:32] August Lusch: that's either a good or bad pun!
[13:32] Torley Linden: August, either way, I'm sure it's delicious.
[13:32] Youri Ashton: haha torley!
[13:32] Youri Ashton: It's Torley Linden's Video Tutorials
[13:32] Youri Ashton: You can you learn Second LIfe in a fun and fast fashion.
[13:32] Youri Ashton: That's extactly what I advertise! Hahahaha!
[13:32] Youri Ashton: :)
[13:32] Kate Linden: I'm saving my steamy apple pie avatar for the Fall
[13:32] Torley Linden: jackieisthegirl, send friendship to Torley Olmstead as I've requested before. Thank you. :)
[13:32] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: lol
[13:32] Torley Linden: Youri, truth in advertising.
[13:32] DrFran Babcock: I'm saving my fork avatar for the fall then
[13:32] Arwyn Quandry points to her avatar - I got my winter jacket already!
[13:32] blogHUD Messenger: Your image post has arrived at []: see
[13:32] Robbo Mills: lol
[13:33] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: :O
[13:33] Croft Crystal: hiya wb from sl crash hah
[13:33] Torley Linden: Anyone have suggestions for what sort of knowledge you'd like to see shared on our SLTNT blog?
[13:33] Marianne McCann: So I heard this.. rumor... at SLCC about a TNT Bear?
[13:33] Kate Linden: /plans to shop for a faster running animation
[13:33] Marianne McCann: It's not like a dynamite monkey, I hope
[13:33] Torley Linden: I just posted design insights on why it's important for products you sell to have quality documentation and typography. :)
[13:33] DrFran Babcock: Coming from the last office hours, folks were talking about building best practices. What about that, Torley ?
[13:33] Marianne McCann: I'd love to see more on managing group land
[13:33] Arwyn Quandry: That'd be a great bear. xD
[13:33] Ricken Flow: I want to learn how to do mixed reality events some tips on that would be nice
[13:33] Kate Linden: O.o yes. I do need to pass out the TNT bear to people who have commented on my blog posts!
[13:33] DrFran Babcock: things about texture sizes, etc
[13:34] August Lusch: are we talking General tips for the public, because I've noticed you can now turn the typing anim off in the Preferences window...I only noticed that yesterday how long's that been there?
[13:34] CyFishy Traveler: Shortcuts
[13:34] Niky Zenovka waves
[13:34] Torley Linden: Oooh... yes DrFran, those are always useful. The sorts of stuff that's not indicated in the Viewer but very practical.
[13:34] Jon Linden must step away for a moment, brb
[13:34] Marianne McCann: Go for me, Jon
[13:34] Torley Linden: Ricken, while we don't have a wealth of info yet, I suggest seeing and adding to
[13:34] Arwyn Quandry wonders what flavor of jello Jon is
[13:34] Youri Ashton: wb jon!
[13:34] Marianne McCann: green
[13:34] Marianne McCann grins
[13:35] CyFishy Traveler: How to size a snapshot so it doesn't get squished when you put in in your profile. (Or has that been covered?)
[13:35] August Lusch: Marianne's right...obviously
[13:35] Torley Linden: August, yes... ! That's one of my faves! And one of the popular video tutorials. I blogged about that awhile ago too so you will want to subscribe to if it interests you :)
[13:35] Ricken Flow: okay I will put that on my to do list
[13:35] Torley Linden: CyFishy, that hasn't been covered yet in detail. Wonder if anyone's already done a guide for that, that's practical. Oh, and Snowglobe has an aspect ratio control for textures. Which is very handy.
[13:35] Ricken Flow: a good tip that some residents dont know is using the shift key with the arrow keys to actually walk in that direction
[13:35] Ricken Flow: instead of just turning
[13:36] Torley Linden: CyFishy that also ties into the Limits page, but... with the upcoming Viewer 2.0 some of that (I hope) may be unified or moot. We'll see...
[13:36] Torley Linden: Yeah Ricken, strafe-esque.
[13:36] August Lusch: is 2.0 coming soon?
[13:36] Marianne McCann has a sad about shadows and all in 2.0
[13:36] Arwyn Quandry: Gotta go to the doctors, nice seeing you all. Bai!
[13:36] Torley Linden: What's your definition of "soon"? Hehe.
[13:36] Torley Linden: Take care Arwyn!
[13:36] Arawn Spitteler might have Jiraed itt as a new feature, beforer learning it possible to Strafe
[13:36] Marianne McCann: Have... fun, Awryn!
[13:36] August Lusch: like before 2011?
[13:36] Torley Linden: Or holding down Space bar when falling (with focus inworld).
[13:36] August Lusch: see you Awryn
[13:36] waelya Tenk: i love shadows, i wait can be done better soon
[13:36] CyFishy Traveler: "Real Soon Now"
[13:37] Torley Linden: I hope so August. We'll announce details on as they emerge and we can forecast milestones.
[13:37] waelya Tenk: snails we use space bar a lot
[13:37] Marianne McCann: I love em too, Waelya, but it sounds like I'll never see 'em
[13:37] Torley Linden: Always dangerous to promise something you can't deliver.
[13:37] Torley Linden: Shadows haven't been abandoned... it's just indefinite at this point...
[13:37] August Lusch: yeah Snail racing and space bar...if you need to teach people to use spacebar get them to come to the track on a saturday :)
[13:37] Robbo Mills: I'm still looking for a good machinima recorder. On a MacBook and it always comes out chunky style. Prolly limits of the CPU. :(
[13:37] waelya Tenk: works good enough shadows in my pc.. just some bugs...
[13:37] Marianne McCann: True, Torley. T made it fairly clear that it would not be offered outside of the Windows environment
[13:37] DrFran Babcock: lolo @ August
[13:37] DrFran Babcock: Snails
[13:37] Torley Linden: Robbo, have you tried Screenflow?
[13:37] DrFran Babcock: GO,GO, ESCARGOTS !!!!!!!!
[13:37] DrFran Babcock: GO, GO, ESCARGOTS !!!!!
[13:38] Youri Ashton: shadows are still in the viewers, just hidden, you can activate them if you would liek that. do know, it may cause crashes
[13:38] Arawn Spitteler suspects DrFran of attending the races.
[13:38] Robbo Mills: I have - it still jumps frames too much for my tatse - not smooth. Not the faultof the program, I'm sure, just my old hardware. lol
[13:38] waelya Tenk: i tryed to put shadows with graphics in High.. not in Ultra.. and works very good
[13:38] Memory Core: huh, i didn't know about the space bar thing
[13:38] DrFran Babcock announces the races from time to time
[13:38] August Lusch: DrFran is Second Life's foremost Escargologist
[13:38] Robbo Mills: mmmm - escargot
[13:38] DrFran Babcock: hehe
[13:38] Torley Linden: Mari, yeah, the current Mac unavailability concerned me too... that's not the only specific approach to shadows though (I'll let graphics gurus speak more to that, but games like COD4 are on Mac and certainly have realistic lights/shadows)...
[13:39] Torley Linden: Robbo, oh, as in it captures a lot slower than what you actually see onscreen?
[13:39] Torley Linden: Mmmm snailz!
[13:39] August Lusch: isn't that down to the lack of open GL drivers for OSX?
[13:39] Kate Linden: Shadows can be enabled from the debug settings. Options in the debug settings are there for testing by our developers, not as a new feature. We do give you access to debug settings so you can try things out and provide feedback. Sometimes we import options into the viewer from debug settings.
[13:39] Kate Linden: :)
[13:39] Niky Zenovka: So, Mac client doesn't have shadows?
[13:39] Torley Linden: August, Apple provides the OpenGL support but they are... controlling...
[13:40] Robbo Mills: Torley, yeah - it gets jumpy. I've taken to shooting off the monitor with a handicam. LOL It works but it also makes some interesting moire patterns. :D
[13:40] Niky Zenovka: Snow Leopard feature... yes...
[13:40] DrFran Babcock: Mac users are always the orphan children.
[13:40] Marianne McCann: Nope, Niky. I've known some who've managed it in a couple limited cases, but... well see!
[13:40] August Lusch: I didn't want to say "Apple controls everything" I get attacked for saying such things
[13:40] Torley Linden: Robbo, to what Niky said (I think, or maybe that was a lucky coincidence), Snow Leopard should have a built-in movie recorder. I wonder how that will work for you.
[13:40] Robbo Mills assumes the role of an orphaned match girl on a snowy street corner.
[13:40] Croft Crystal: who is torley here ?
[13:40] Niky Zenovka: Who doesn't control?
[13:40] Croft Crystal: i dont see ya
[13:40] DrFran Babcock: YAY! (yay!)
[13:40] DrFran Babcock: for Snow Leopard
[13:40] Niky Zenovka: Just Linux community perhaps
[13:40] Torley Linden: They don't control everything but Apple is definitely a lot more tighter (for good, bad, and in-between) about hardware-software dynamics than the Windows side.
[13:41] Youri Ashton: i think torley = torley :p
[13:41] Torley Linden: Croft, I'm a Dr. Seuss-ish bird. Ha ha!
[13:41] Youri Ashton: could be wrong tho :p
[13:41] Torley Linden: LOL Robbo I know that story!
[13:41] Robbo Mills: Oooooo - snow leopard. Tastes as good as escargot and wobbles like jello. Can't wait to try it.
[13:41] Youri Ashton: only 1 torley here :D
[13:41] Croft Crystal: what too fast the screen scrolls hahaah
[13:41] DrFran Babcock: lol@ Robbo
[13:41] Croft Crystal: i dont understand here haha
[13:41] Torley Linden: Now that's an ad pitch I can get behind!
[13:41] Niky Zenovka: Snow Leopard almost there... Sept is coming
[13:41] Marianne McCann: The current Mac OS has a built in screen capture. It's just not enabled. It is how Berio gets screen video
[13:41] Torley Linden: Croft, oh we're navigating through some very fun topics. And some are even useful! That's what I like most... useful fun.
[13:42] Torley Linden: Mari, I didn't know that aspect.
[13:42] Robbo Mills: I don't mind using the handicam - I can pul off some quick & dirty verite "shakey-cam" stuff. hee hee
[13:42] Torley Linden: Robbo, like Cloverfield?
[13:42] Robbo Mills: Yes but not as vomit inducing.
[13:42] Marianne McCann: I did not either, but Berio is a small program that simpy enables the feature in the Mac OS
[13:42] August Lusch: lols @ Second Life Cloverfield style
[13:42] Robbo Mills: LOL
[13:43] Niky Zenovka: Anyone knows if it is harmfull the smcfan utility on Mac...? like, SL brings my computer to like 80C temperature
[13:43] Torley Linden: Haha, there's also the Active Camera plugin:
[13:43] CyFishy Traveler tends to run two players @ once and doesn't want to crash things with filming on top of that.
[13:43] Torley Linden: Niky, I've used it before and it wasn't harmful on my particular MacBook Pro which had overheating issues before I had the logic board replaced.
[13:43] Croft Crystal: hmmm
[13:43] Torley Linden: (Disclosure: I design video plugin technology which I then... end up using with SL movies.)
[13:44] Arawn Spitteler recommends placing a bottle of Ice Water on the box
[13:44] waelya Tenk: btw, i really love the spacenavigator, it is really really useful and cool!
[13:44] Niky Zenovka: Cool...
[13:44] waelya Tenk: and not very expensive
[13:44] Marianne McCann: Waelya - I should have one soon. Looks amazing
[13:44] Torley Linden: Glad you do, waelya! I'm glad they're pretty affordable, I've seen them around for like, US$40.
[13:44] Kate Linden: waelya I love the space navigator also. I'm using it now :)
[13:44] waelya Tenk: do it Mari really reallynice
[13:44] waelya Tenk: yes
[13:44] Niky Zenovka: Thanks Torley... just checking, because afraid of spinning the fan faster than the OS usually does.
[13:45] waelya Tenk: yeah same here : ) i love be in second life with the left hand : )
[13:45] Torley Linden: Making innovative controls really cheap is super-important to adoption. (Sorry I can't reply to IMs, please ask out in the open and that increases your chances of answership too, someone else likely knows what I don't!)
[13:45] Niky Zenovka: ... and worn it faster...
[13:45] Torley Linden: Niky, I'd also check other reports — any particular reason you need to make the fan go faster?
[13:45] Ricken Flow: writing a paper on organisational communication in Virtual settings any insights or quotes feel free to let me know
[13:45] waelya Tenk: Mari, you will see to make machinimas is really useful
[13:45] Kate Linden: Niky, I keep my mac on a fan tray when running SL. Sitting it on four wine corks helps too, and lets air circulate underneath.
[13:45] Torley Linden: Oooh Ricken, well one thing for sure... when making scripted chairs... use CLICK ACTIONS and SET CAMERA POSITION.
[13:45] Marianne McCann: Ya, that's one of the things I'm most excited about with it
[13:45] Niky Zenovka: Well, 80C kind of high isn't it?
[13:46] DrFran Babcock: hmm, my MBP is burning a hole in my lap.
[13:46] Niky Zenovka: Problem is Mac ventilation is through the keyboard and back
[13:46] Niky Zenovka: not under
[13:46] Robbo Mills: I use that Griffin stand - lifts it up -saves my neck from snapping when I lean over to far to type
[13:46] Torley Linden: Niky, depends on the machine, MBPs DO run hot — check manuals for tolerable temperature specs and if you have AppleCare and are experiencing hardware woes, definitely get it checked out!
[13:46] Marianne McCann: Ya, I love click actions, especially with sitting
[13:46] Niky Zenovka: Mine is the basic Macbook...
[13:46] Marianne McCann: Looks like Jackie fund the gestures folder...
[13:46] Marianne McCann grins
[13:46] Torley Linden: USE CLICK ACTIONS <- one of the strongest recommendations I have. Not using them just makes your stuff harder to use.
[13:46] waelya Tenk: haha
[13:46] Torley Linden: YAY MARI
[13:46] Kate Linden: :)
[13:47] Torley Linden: Hahahahaha. Mmmm gesture fun.
[13:47] Arawn Spitteler: *FART* AAAAAHHH ITS HOT!!!
[13:47] CyFishy Traveler: 'click actions'?
[13:47] Torley Linden: Yes! Click actions!
[13:47] Arawn Spitteler: llSetClickAction(CLICK_ACTION_SIT)
[13:47] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: lol
[13:47] Marianne McCann: Ya. the ability to click to sit and buy an stuff, rather than having to use the whole pie menu to make it happen
[13:47] yukii Chun: I wanna know how Abuse Report really works...
[13:47] CyFishy Traveler already does that.
[13:48] Torley Linden: "Click actions let your customers buy stuff and open boxes after ONE CLICK, making it easier for them to purchase then enjoy your wares. More experienced Resis may go, "But right-clicking the pie menu isn't so hard..." WAIT! Think of the many newcomers we have and how un-obvious that is! Also consider how that problematically adds up time after time, and what a refreshing relief you'll be by doing it better. Pending future usability improvements, click actions are available NOW. Learn how to use them in 2 minutes, your time well-spent!"
[13:48] Torley Linden: GREAT!
[13:48] Youri Ashton: ow my.... almost forgot my tea again!
[13:48] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: dance 1
[13:48] waelya Tenk: i hate like when pass the mouse over a object and show the symbol of action buy... but there nothing in sell.. like this... how say.. like this place where we are sit now.. chair..?
[13:48] CyFishy Traveler also does that for the teleporter in his house.
[13:48] Arawn Spitteler: It just shouldn't require the extra click, that's avoided with good design
[13:48] Kate Linden: Yuki if you go to the KB and search Abuse Report, you will find a few helpful articles :
[13:48] August Lusch: yeah I hate that too Wae
[13:49] DrFran Babcock loves learning new things
[13:49] Kara Spengler: as the world rezzzes ...
[13:49] Torley Linden: Arawn, in a lot of cases it's unavoidable due to the pie menu. The single click action is a replacement for the pie menu choice.
[13:49] August Lusch: happens with some furniture coffee tables and a lot of rocks for some reason
[13:49] Niky Zenovka: Problem is when default action is Buy and object is not for sale... lol
[13:49] Marianne McCann: Hey Kara
[13:49] waelya Tenk: yes
[13:49] waelya Tenk: i see a lot
[13:49] Kara Spengler: hiya Mari
[13:49] Croft Crystal: yo
[13:49] August Lusch: and then the object is no it's stuck on buy...
[13:49] Torley Linden: waelya, I've seen that and I think that's dysfunctional... er... buggy behavior.
[13:49] Torley Linden: Yeah one of the couches here had this problem!
[13:49] Torley Linden: AND STILL DOES.
[13:50] waelya Tenk: yes
[13:50] Torley Linden: This red couch where I'm at that waelya is sitting on.
[13:50] waelya Tenk: this red one is bad
[13:50] Torley Linden: Example in action!
[13:50] Torley Linden: :(
[13:50] Arawn Spitteler just clicked on the couch
[13:50] Object does not appear to be for sale.
[13:50] Robbo Mills: I prefer to stand at the back of the room - like a school supervisor - or some dude ready to make a hasty exit.
[13:50] waelya Tenk: yes
[13:50] Torley Linden: Hey Jackie, how's that dance working out for you? Looks like you sure are getting a good workout.
[13:50] waelya Tenk: :)
[13:50] Torley Linden: Hahah Robbo, that's so funny. Super Nintendo Chalmers!
[13:50] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: :O
[13:51] Youri Ashton: It's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum... and I'm all outta gum.
[13:51] Niky Zenovka: ~~~* lmao *~~~
[13:51] August Lusch passes Youri some gum
[13:51] Torley Linden: Ah, vaporware.
[13:51] Youri Ashton: lol, thanks august :)
[13:51] yukii Chun: linden get IMs capped lol
[13:51] Torley Linden: Jackie, please see my profile. :)
[13:52] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: ok
[13:52] Robbo Mills: Looking forward to the not-so-distant future when augmented relaity apps allow us to overlay SL with the real world and completely fry our minds.
[13:52] Torley Linden: Haha this is surreal sitting next to Daniel.
[13:52] Torley Linden: We're like the super Obsk twins.
[13:52] Jon Linden: it's kind of great
[13:52] waelya Tenk: hahah
[13:52] Daniel Voyager: giggles
[13:52] yukii Chun: btw thank you for adding me torley on my flicker
[13:52] Torley Linden: Robbo, and then we'll look back and laugh at how primitive this was in comparison, just as we laugh at a Space Invaders cabinet today.
[13:52] Youri Ashton: Ready for action!
[13:52] Robbo Mills: Definitely!
[13:52] Torley Linden: You're welcome yukii! I frequent Flickr a lot and will look for new pics from you. :)
[13:53] Niky Zenovka: Oh my... I love the Avies in the office hours... so cool and nice... =)
[13:53] Robbo Mills 's eyes glaze over as he fondly remembers pong.
[13:53] Youri Ashton: I'm Duke Nukem, and I'm coming to get the rest of your alien bastards!
[13:53] yukii Chun: lol look for ur im torley
[13:53] Arawn Spitteler strums his ancient Lyre: Vaporware
all my troubles solved by Vaporware
[13:53] yukii Chun: in ur IM
[13:53] Robbo Mills: Pong vs. Duke Nukem - interesting game concept.
[13:53] Youri Ashton: lol
[13:54] Torley Linden: Best way to reach me when I'm not around is Web tab of my profile, I occasionally check outbound email boxes (on Flickr and the like) but they're too scattered.
[13:54] Torley Linden: Pong Nukem?
[13:54] Torley Linden: Arkanukem?
[13:54] Youri Ashton: duke pong?
[13:54] Arawn Spitteler: To the tune of Scrambled Eggs, aka Yesterday
[13:54] Robbo Mills: Or Nuke Pong'em
[13:54] August Lusch: Duke Pongem
[13:54] CyFishy Traveler: I remember 300 baud modems! We had to watch the text scroll across the screen! And we were GRATEFUL!
[13:54] Robbo Mills: lol
[13:54] CyFishy Traveler shakes cane.
[13:54] Kara Spengler wonders if she dares ask what the topic-du-jour is
[13:54] Youri Ashton: Blow it out your ass!
[13:54] Robbo Mills: one - word - at - a - time
[13:54] Torley Linden: CyFishy, I remember how long it took to download pictures... and how people got SEVERELY scolded for not compressing a file.
[13:54] Niky Zenovka: I saw a YT video... Duke Nukem for iPhone coming...
[13:54] August Lusch: there's a topic?
[13:54] Arawn Spitteler used to have a 50 baud, for compuserve
[13:54] Marianne McCann thinks bck fondly to house spent with a 1200 bps moden and a Mac SE/30
[13:54] Robbo Mills: man! It was like the text took speech lessons from bill Shatner.
[13:54] Jon Linden: youri, man, calm down with the sound gestures
[13:54] Kara Spengler: you had a 1200? lucky!
[13:55] Youri Ashton: lol, sorry jon :)
[13:55] yukii Chun: SL wouldnt work in a 1200boud modem lol
[13:55] Robbo Mills: Started with a 300 and just kept on movin' up.
[13:55] Torley Linden: I remember not being happy when someone sent me a 1MB email attachment and it took HALF A FREAKIN' HOUR to download.
[13:55] August Lusch: ahh a 56k modem and a badly beat up youth...
[13:55] Youri Ashton: lol torley
[13:55] Marianne McCann: yukii - SL wasn't yet a glimmer int he eye then, too
[13:55] Youri Ashton: that takes me just 1 minute :)
[13:55] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: dance 1
[13:55] Youri Ashton: tops :D
[13:55] Niky Zenovka: Goodness... remembered the Teletext times, 1200/75 modems... assynchronous...
[13:55] Youri Ashton: i got a 20mb line :)
[13:56] Torley Linden: Hahaha Niky.
[13:56] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: brb guys
[13:56] Robbo Mills: The net before the web - the Well - BBSs - DialCom - ahhhh!
[13:56] yukii Chun: i beat you youri
[13:56] yukii Chun: i have 50Bmit
[13:56] Torley Linden: LOL does anyone remember... those... telegrams? And something called the... Pony Express?
[13:56] yukii Chun: bit
[13:56] Robbo Mills: Niky - absolutely.
[13:56] Youri Ashton: going up soon, to 50
[13:56] Torley Linden: Before Second Life there was Habitat, I recommend looking that up. :)
[13:56] Youri Ashton: :)
[13:56] Youri Ashton: free update :)
[13:56] Daikon Hammerer: Quantum Link.
[13:56] Kara Spengler started with a 300 .... which was the high speed model at the time
[13:56] Marianne McCann: Torley - remember snoke signals? Those were the days
[13:56] Torley Linden: The graphics are like multiplayer Maniac Mansion.
[13:56] CyFishy Traveler: Before SL, there was The Palace.
[13:56] Robbo Mills leans on his walker - remembering the "good" old days.
[13:56] Youri Ashton: i remember working on 33.6k modem :o
[13:56] CyFishy Traveler: Ah, fun times.
[13:56] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: back
[13:57] Torley Linden: Oh gosh darnit those smoke signals... and nowadays all these younguns are on about their alphabet soup... P2P... MP3... iPhone 3G S
[13:57] RiderX Spitteler: jungle drums :)
[13:57] waelya Tenk: maybe cool if some day SecondLife invenmtary will have icons of objects images.. small images with every object
[13:57] Marianne McCann was one of the "first million" on both SL and AOL.
[13:57] DrFran Babcock: I wonddered what I would need 256K of memory for.
[13:57] Torley Linden: I frequented The Palace a lot. That place had no shortage of smiley faces.
[13:57] waelya Tenk: my inventary is totally crazy thing.. wonder how cool can be if objects have image
[13:57] yukii Chun: would SL work if they turn into DirectX D3D
[13:57] Marianne McCann: waelya - I wish we could more effectively group both inventory and contacts
[13:58] CyFishy Traveler: My friend came up with a "Pet Guest" texture and people copied the hell out of it.
[13:58] Torley Linden: waelya, alas that's not trivial due to how the inventory doesn't "reveal" all the attributes. Quicker preview would be nice.
[13:58] Niky Zenovka: There was the Sinclair times where soft would get by tapes.... and if energy went out, another 8-10 minutes to load all again...
[13:58] Torley Linden: I hope in the future we can add all Calling Card functionality to Friends list and quell that confusion.
[13:58] Youri Ashton: aight, ill be off to the next meeting :)
[13:58] Jon Linden: everybody have an excellent rest of the week -- i've got to run!
[13:58] waelya Tenk: yeah that is... quisker preview.... so cool can be
[13:58] Torley Linden: LOL Niky, I almost had a tape deck for my Commodore 64.
[13:58] Youri Ashton: thanks doc team for this meeting!
[13:58] CyFishy Traveler remembers tapes . . . on an Apple II
[13:58] Youri Ashton: bye bye all!
[13:58] Marianne McCann: time f'r me to scoot as well. A quisk stop in First Life for a while
[13:59] Kate Linden: Great to see everyone this week!
[13:59] DrFran Babcock: this was great!!! I learned a ton
[13:59] Torley Linden: There's this AWESOME Apple II screensaver under XScreenSaver I think it is. It's so beautiful.
[13:59] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: by by
[13:59] Robbo Mills: Jon - "run" ? Really? Not wobble?
[13:59] Marianne McCann: Likewise, Kate!
[13:59] Niky Zenovka: Oh, will check taht out
[13:59] Marianne McCann: Bye Bye!!
[13:59] Robbo Mills: Slide maybe.
[13:59] waelya Tenk: bye!!
[13:59] Marianne McCann: Have fun everybuggy!
[13:59] Arawn Spitteler: Were any Mixed Reality Events recorded?
[13:59] CyFishy Traveler: Take care Marianne....
[13:59] Torley Linden: I could definitely talk about lots of retro computer stuff for ages.
[13:59] Niky Zenovka: Those were great time
[13:59] Robbo Mills: I was using TileStack for a bit - trying to resuurect some old HyperCard programs - still not there yet.
[13:59] Niky Zenovka: times*
[14:00] Robbo Mills: ***sigh***
[14:00] waelya Tenk: my first was a spectrum
[14:00] waelya Tenk: 48k
[14:00] waelya Tenk: was so funny!
[14:00] Hugo Dalgleish: mine too, Waelya
[14:00] Torley Linden: Oh my gosh i played with HyperCard SO much... and all the stock sounds it came with.
[14:00] Niky Zenovka: And we felt we would know the about it... today it's so diverse... can't keep up...
[14:00] Daikon Hammerer keeps an IMSAI in his office, just in case faculty complain about the speed of their computers.
[14:00] Torley Linden: I made a piano in that thing with the "Boing!" noise.
[14:00] Torley Linden: Hahaha Daikon. Puts it all in perspective.
[14:00] Niky Zenovka: know all*
[14:00] Arawn Spitteler did arithmatic problems on a desk top calculator, with an electric motor
[14:00] Torley Linden: I think some SLCC recordings were on but I don't know of the scope of them.
[14:00] Robbo Mills: Torley - we made a kids storybook stack called "Ali Baa Baa & The Forty Winks" - really sweet.
[14:00] Niky Zenovka: OMG piano tune with Boing?
[14:00] Niky Zenovka: lol
[14:01] waelya Tenk: haha
[14:01] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: lol
[14:01] Torley Linden: Oh cool Robbo! I made sort of space exploration thing (which I later would find out was kinda like Cosmic Osmo)... I called it Galaxy II (there was never a Galaxy I or III).
[14:01] waelya Tenk: i miss you there escargologist : ) i cant wait to hear you explaining draws
[14:01] Torley Linden: In the early 90s I got into VRML... felt lonely, wanted a virtual world with more people in it... :)
[14:01] Niky Zenovka: =)
[14:02] CyFishy Traveler remembers VRML
[14:02] Torley Linden: And then in 2004 I found out about Second Life. Fast forward to our present and I'm here with all of you!
[14:02] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: soz that was me
[14:02] Torley Linden: I'd better save this transcript since Jeremy isn't here, too.
[14:02] Robbo Mills: We did ours the same time Inigo and ManHole, the precursor of Myst.
[14:02] Torley Linden: Oh yeah CyFishy? I played with Virtus VR and others.
[14:02] CyFishy Traveler had a friend who did a VRML installation a the Arts Festival of Atlanta.
[14:02] Torley Linden: Oh my gosh, YES! I know Manhole too...
[14:02] Torley Linden: AHHH BELOVED MEMORIES!
[14:02] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: oopps
[14:02] Torley Linden: Pardon this has been most fun, but I must go.
[14:02] CyFishy Traveler remembers Manhole, too.
[14:02] Torley Linden: Thanks for being here with Doc Team at our Office Hours.
[14:02] Daikon Hammerer is only getting one error every 30 seconds--- snowglobe on solaris. yay.
[14:03] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: ok ttorly
[14:03] Torley Linden: I still play Manhole via an emulator from time to time.
[14:03] Torley Linden: Bai bai 4 nao!
[14:03] jackieisthegirl Jurassic: see ya later
[14:03] Robbo Mills: Yeah - just as CD Rom was coming into play. Ours was just crammed on to 2 diskettes - but we got good reviews. Four And A Half Mice!! Woot!
[14:03] CyFishy Traveler: bai Torley
[14:03] Robbo Mills: LOL
[14:03] DrFran Babcock: home to put out my new Bears!
[14:03] DrFran Babcock: yaya
[14:03] waelya Tenk: bye Dr!!
[14:03] Torley Linden: Way cool, Robbo! THE GOLDEN AGE OF MULTIMEDIA and I look forward to a pic soon, DrFran!
[14:03] DrFran Babcock: will do
[14:03] Torley Linden: *waves and smiles*

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