Community Tools User Group/14-April-2011

Attendees List

• Amanda Linden (amanda.linden) (User's Wiki Page)
• Ann Otoole (ann.otoole)
• ANSI (ansi.soderstrom)
• bob Iwashi (bob.iwashi)
• Candy Necklace (candy.necklace)
• Catwise Yoshikawa (catwise.yoshikawa) (User's Wiki Page)
• Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)
• Cummere Mayo (cummere.mayo) (User's Wiki Page)
• Darrius Gothly (darrius.gothly) (User's Wiki Page)
• Deltango Vale (deltango.vale)
• dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide (dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid.vonderheide)
• Doctor Gascoigne (doctor.gascoigne) (User's Wiki Page)
• draconis.neurocam (draconis.neurocam)
• Dresden Ceriano (dresden.ceriano) (User's Wiki Page)
• Geo Meek (geo.meek)
• Jeremy Linden (jeremy.linden) (User's Wiki Page)
• Lexie (lexie.linden)
• Madeliefste Oh (madeliefste.oh) (User's Wiki Page)
• Mags Indigo (mags.indigo)
• Marianne McCann (marianne.mccann) (User's Wiki Page)
• oobscure (opensource.obscure)
• Peewee Musytari (peewee.musytari)
• Qie (qie.niangao)
• Rand (rand.linden)
• Raymond Linden (raymond.linden)
• Scylla Rhiadra (scylla.rhiadra)
• Second Life (second.life)
• Torben (torben.trautman)
• Tox (toxic.menges)
• Venus Petrov (venus.petrov)
• Vernes Veranes (vernes.veranes) (User's Wiki Page)

Transcript for Thursday April 14, 2011

[12:59]	Marianne McCann	I know I talked briefly via e-mail with you on this Amanda, but I am curious on a broader scope. When a community tool that's a new feature request for the SL viewer, where should one go to?
[12:59]	Marianne McCann	Specific examples would be my own "Grid Broadcast System (https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2008 ), or things like Loki Eliot's "friend feed" idea ( https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-20663 ) nd Crap Mariner's rather brilliant "Click The Clock" ( https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17022 ).
[13:00]	Marianne McCann	These seem to span several groups, from community. events, dev, and likely others.
[13:00]	Marianne McCann	Not sure, though, where they'd best fall
[13:00]	Darrius Gothly	Howdy OO
[13:00]	Amanda Linden	kk, we can address that... add to agenda. :)
[13:00]	Marianne McCann	Spiffy
[13:00]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	fantabulous
[13:00]	Peewee Musytari	yanno them search boxes on the forums...os there any reason that there isn`t one on the main opening page for Answers?
[13:01]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	hey amanda, i neer got the group invitey-doodah
[13:01]	Peewee Musytari	*is
[13:01]	Amanda Linden	really.
[13:01]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	really
[13:01]	Amanda Linden	ok i'll do it again after the meeting. :)
[13:01]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	is it open membership? i;ll go profile purveying and nosying
[13:01]	Amanda Linden	yep, i think so.
[13:01]	Amanda Linden	it's just community tools user group
[13:01]	Amanda Linden	ok, we ready to get started?
[13:01]	Amanda Linden	raymond is on his way.
[13:01]	Torben (torben.trautman)	aye
[13:01]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	Peewee, it made sense to have those searching in answers, stay within answers. Instead of shooting them off to some other area of the forum
[13:02]	oobscure (opensource.obscure)	yup. hey all-
[13:02]	Amanda Linden	hey there!
[13:02]	Venus Petrov	hey Ciaran
[13:02]	Amanda Linden	nice group today.
[13:02]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	heckers, if y'want somethign doing, do it thyself i says
[13:02]	Amanda Linden	love seeing regulars. :)
[13:02]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	Hi to everyone ㋡
[13:02]	Scylla Rhiadra	/me waves to Amanda and Lexie
[13:02]	bob Iwashi	hi weveryone
[13:02]	Amanda Linden	/me waves back.
[13:02]	Peewee Musytari	just thought maybe one where they actually post the question would be good and maybe save them posting
[13:02]	Geo Meek	love seeing anyone
[13:02]	Marianne McCann	Ciaran is here. Now we can start!
[13:03]	Amanda Linden	ha. kk
[13:03]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	lol Mari
[13:03]	Amanda Linden	raymond is on his way, so maybe we can start with lexie on sl answes & forums...
[13:03]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	Sure
[13:03]	Peewee Musytari	yay
[13:03]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	"lord of dee">? " lord of dee diddle dumpling do"?
[13:03]	Amanda Linden	agenda, fo rhtose that just arrived.
[13:03]	Amanda Linden	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group
[13:03]	Amanda Linden	lexie, any updates from your neck of the woods?
[13:03]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	We dont have a bunch of updates yet. But we are looking at Answers and how the comments portion can be changed for a better flow
[13:04]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	jezzy! me auld mucker! how the devils are ya kiddo?
[13:04]	Peewee Musytari	ABSOLUTELY!!!
[13:04]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	What do you all think
[13:04]	Darrius Gothly	*nods*
[13:04]	Torben (torben.trautman)	sometimes comments can be useful
[13:04]	Geo Meek	i think vary littl
[13:04]	Geo Meek	=little
[13:04]	Geo Meek	thanks
[13:04]	Peewee Musytari	not as often as they are just plain annoying though
[13:05]	Torben (torben.trautman)	true
[13:05]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	Consistency wise it would be better yes
[13:05]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	We are trying to find out if we can remove those or just expand them at least
[13:05]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	But I know its an issue
[13:05]	Torben (torben.trautman)	hey Doc :)
[13:05]	Marianne McCann	Agreed, Ciaran
[13:05]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	Will keep you updated
[13:05]	Peewee Musytari	and the abiloty for the OP to post again so their post in in the right order in the thread
[13:05]	Marianne McCann	Hey Qie
[13:05]	Raymond Linden	Yeah, we are going to see if Answers comments can be removed. Not sure if it is possible
[13:06]	Qie (qie.niangao)	hi Mari, everybody. :)
[13:06]	Geo Meek	:-)
[13:06]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	Peewee, you mean other than editing their original post?
[13:06]	Ann Otoole	sometimes there is more than one right answer.
[13:06]	Darrius Gothly	The "flow" of a standard forum post is just fine for Answers conversations too .. IMO
[13:06]	Peewee Musytari	it would need to be tied in with the way OP can repost as thats their only option aside from edit yes
[13:06]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	Ann, more than on can be marked as an Accepted Solution
[13:06]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	2 can be
[13:06]	Candy Necklace	Marianne McCann took a green piece of candy from Marianne McCann's necklace!
[13:06]	Marianne McCann	(oops)
[13:07]	bob Iwashi	abnd soem can be 1/2
[13:07]	bob Iwashi	1/2 and vague answers
[13:07]	Peewee Musytari	and the punters don`t like it...many of them complain
[13:07]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	ok
[13:07]	Torben (torben.trautman)	watch out Mari, I might steal some of your candy
[13:07]	bob Iwashi	we can't complain - no ticket option to do that nowadays so we wander in circles banging our heads against the proverbial brivk wall
[13:07]	Peewee Musytari	some copy paste the same comment to every reply they get because they aren`t sure what they mean
[13:07]	bob Iwashi	brick*
[13:08]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	I have not seen that peewee. Noted!
[13:08]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	Raymond, do we have anything forums?
[13:08]	Peewee Musytari	and as we said last week u can`t mark a comment as the right snwer...so better they just go
[13:08]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	for forums* sorry
[13:08]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	(right peewee)
[13:09]	Amanda Linden	raymond? :)
[13:09]	Raymond Linden	We are going to see if we canremove Answers comments
[13:09]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	(chat lag)
[13:09]	Raymond Linden	I should know by today or tomorrow
[13:09]	Peewee Musytari	yay
[13:09]	bob Iwashi	i found the new forums, a little comboozling?
[13:09]	Peewee Musytari	a little? hehe
[13:09]	bob Iwashi	i miss logging on and readign he most ercent omments immediately
[13:09]	Raymond Linden	Unfortunately, I have not made as much UI progress as I was hoping in the past week
[13:10]	Darrius Gothly	What about the default setting for "send email for all posts" .. just in the Answers section? Has that been addressed / resolved?
[13:10]	Raymond Linden	But, we are hoping to get started on that work soon. Just a few details to iron out
[13:10]	Raymond Linden	One of which is the Answers Comments!
[13:10]	Peewee Musytari	yes please switch that on to default
[13:10]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	Darrius, that would be a global setting and I don't think people would be thrilled
[13:10]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	Please don't
[13:10]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	So, as of now..no we dont have a way to do that
[13:10]	Darrius Gothly	Is there some way to make it more visible?
[13:11]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	/me whistles "Senior Director of Marketing Communications."
[13:11]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	But I have been sending out some reminder PMs
[13:11]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	That's the key Darrius, making the options more visible
[13:11]	Darrius Gothly	Like a warning popup? "You will not receive email notices unless you check the box marked ..."
[13:11]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	Can check on that Darrius
[13:11]	Peewee Musytari	any progress on getting new posts to bump the thread back to top of page 1?
[13:11]	Raymond Linden	I should mention that we will be bringing on some moderation during the European hours. This will help with the spam
[13:11]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	good idea
[13:11]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	yay moderation!
[13:11]	Amanda Linden	woot raymond.
[13:11]	ANSI (ansi.soderstrom)	hi all
[13:11]	Ann Otoole	most recent post sort order is an available option in board settings. is that the issue for most recent? people don't have it set right?
[13:11]	Venus Petrov	nice
[13:12]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	do you guys have a "senior vp in charge of making tea" amanda?
[13:12]	Catwise Yoshikawa	grean a new moderator is really needed
[13:12]	Raymond Linden	Peewee - not yet. But, still being looked into
[13:12]	Catwise Yoshikawa	great*
[13:12]	Peewee Musytari	kk ty
[13:12]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	Even if you have it set Ann the recent posts are still most recent threads
[13:12]	Scylla Rhiadra	I think the problem, Ann, is that posts get buried in the subforums
[13:12]	Scylla Rhiadra	What Ciaran said
[13:12]	Amanda Linden	ha. ding ding. :)
[13:13]	Dresden Ceriano	the recent post page is available but there's no way that i can find to get to it directly
[13:13]	Raymond Linden	Hoping to have some more UI updates for you next week
[13:13]	Amanda Linden	all very good points.
[13:13]	Peewee Musytari	even one question from yesterday is on page 3 and with 63 posts its a pain to keep going to page 3 to check on it
[13:13]	Dresden Ceriano	there should be a link on the main forum page if you ask me
[13:13]	Peewee Musytari	thankfully she is fixed now lol
[13:13]	Darrius Gothly	Hmm .. when I open a board, the messages are sorted so those with recent replies are listed first.
[13:13]	Geo Meek	maybe a trust point system
[13:14]	Mags Indigo	apologies if I trample on someone
[13:14]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	mags don;t worry bout it
[13:14]	Peewee Musytari	do u have the page for all topics across all answers like that darrius?
[13:14]	Vernes Veranes	A trust point system? I like self regulating systems.
[13:14]	Amanda Linden	agenda here for those who just arrived.
[13:14]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	i bagsy first charleston with elxie after teh meeting
[13:14]	Amanda Linden	shouts: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group
[13:14]	Deltango Vale	Og, a quick point about Answers....could we have a tickbox to indicate the viewer of the person posting a question? It would save much confusion.
[13:14]	Darrius Gothly	After the meeting, I'll post how I have my options set so others can review / copy if desired.
[13:14]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	lexie*
[13:14]	Scylla Rhiadra	Yeah, Darrius, but you have to open that board first There's no way of knowing where the most recent posts, rather than threads, are
[13:15]	Geo Meek	and you trust that ?
[13:15]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	When you open a board Darrius, yes, I have recent posts go to the top, but the overview shows recently created threads at top
[13:15]	Darrius Gothly	Ahhh .. I float the Boards of interest then go by the "New" counts.
[13:15]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	deltango, you mean something automated or that the poster uses
[13:15]	Peewee Musytari	i found one for latest posts on the whole community but thats way TMI...I just want latest on answers
[13:15]	Darrius Gothly	Now I understand ... replace the "Recent Threads" with "Recent Posts" on the Forums front page.
[13:16]	Dresden Ceriano	you can get the whole forum in resent posts but you need to know the url for it
[13:16]	Deltango Vale	no, just a manual tickbox the questioner ticks
[13:16]	bob Iwashi	i agree
[13:16]	Dresden Ceriano	recent*
[13:16]	Scylla Rhiadra	Yay Darrius, lol!!
[13:16]	Darrius Gothly	Pfftttt .. LOL
[13:16]	Amanda Linden	ok....
[13:16]	Amanda Linden	:)
[13:16]	Deltango Vale	a person may have a question about V2 for example, but not everyone will know unless he says it's particular to V2
[13:16]	Dresden Ceriano	at least have a link to it somewhere
[13:16]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	Can check on it Deltango. I dont think thats available
[13:17]	Ann Otoole	what it really needs is an "iSpy" thing.
[13:17]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	Can you get recent blog posts to the top too, it's a pain noticing via Twitter or SLU that there have been new blog posts
[13:17]	Amanda Linden	well, the most recent ones are at top, in each section.
[13:17]	Amanda Linden	but you want a mix?
[13:18]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	Blogs? I want last blog post at the top
[13:18]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	erm, i have a good question? web prfiles? can we opt out of ours being on display?
[13:18]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	most recently posted I mean
[13:18]	Amanda Linden	raymond, thoughts?
[13:18]	Raymond Linden	across all the Blogs?
[13:18]	Amanda Linden	and, i think u can ding. it's in settings.
[13:18]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	Well yes, it gives greater visibility to them
[13:18]	Amanda Linden	lot sof privacy / profile controls to play around with in there.
[13:18]	Amanda Linden	it's a good point.
[13:19]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	thanks amanda
[13:19]	Amanda Linden	like we did the jiggles post and it sorta got buried. i was thinking thes ame thing.
[13:19]	Amanda Linden	same
[13:19]	Raymond Linden	We can look into Recent Blog posts across all Blogs
[13:19]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	Yes Amanda
[13:19]	Amanda Linden	yeah raymond, it's a goo didea.
[13:19]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	/me dares amanda to say his name 5 times outloud in the office
[13:19]	Amanda Linden	good idea
[13:19]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	I agree
[13:19]	Qie (qie.niangao)	yeah, I agree with Ciaran on that... I know I'm missing blog posts
[13:19]	Darrius Gothly	I think the primary goal is "I wanna see 'New' stuff. Just make sure I can pick which stuff I wanna see."
[13:19]	Raymond Linden	ok, I'll add it to the list to see if it is possible!
[13:20]	Amanda Linden	/me in open workin genvironment and boss is on phone.
[13:20]	Mags Indigo	me too
[13:20]	Mags Indigo	(she chirps up from the back)
[13:20]	Amanda Linden	thanks great idea.
[13:20]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	that's the idea amanda :)
[13:20]	Amanda Linden	and something i've had at hte back of my mind as well
[13:20]	Amanda Linden	that may also solve for the uber rss feed for all blog posts problem.
[13:21]	Amanda Linden	ok, that's on raymond's list.
[13:21]	Amanda Linden	time for rand/jeremy to give updates on kb?
[13:21]	Jeremy Linden	/me wakes up Rand.
[13:21]	Rand (rand.linden)	OK well we are just hard at work updating the content
[13:21]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	awesome
[13:22]	Rand (rand.linden)	Also looking at bringing a few more articles over from the wiki
[13:22]	Cummere Mayo	/me hopes im not sitting on anyone
[13:22]	Amanda Linden	yep, and rand, how is the process going re: getting info from other areas and creating kb articles?
[13:22]	Rand (rand.linden)	Jeremy has been rewriting some of the most popular articles
[13:22]	Darrius Gothly	Rand / Jeremy .. When we find a link from a Wiki or other page that goes to the wrong place, how do we notify you about it?
[13:22]	Amanda Linden	nice
[13:22]	Rand (rand.linden)	Amanda: you mean from Answers or forums, etc.
[13:22]	Rand (rand.linden)	?
[13:22]	Amanda Linden	yep
[13:22]	Peewee Musytari	if we stuff in the KB that could use clarifying or changing what is the right procedure?....I sent a PM to jeremy but wasn`t sure that was right thing
[13:22]	Jeremy Linden	Currently, I'm working on the Age Verification and maturity articles. They're... confusing right now. Trying to fix that :-)
[13:22]	Peewee Musytari	haha darrius...same question
[13:23]	Rand (rand.linden)	I suggest commenting on the article
[13:23]	Darrius Gothly	GMTA Peewee
[13:23]	bob Iwashi	how bout a section for "half answers"
[13:23]	Amanda Linden	ha
[13:23]	Jeremy Linden	Yes, I welcome comments on any articles you find that you think could use some improvement!
[13:23]	Rand (rand.linden)	Darrius: as far as links in wiki pages. Please correct them in the wiki if you can. If its in a page you can't edit, then you can PM me
[13:23]	Darrius Gothly	For example, the Wiki page on Search. It has links that go to blogs that no longer exist. Do you get notices about comments on those wiki pages?
[13:24]	Amanda Linden	there's so much out of date on the wiki.
[13:24]	Catwise Yoshikawa	not everyone have the rank to comment :p
[13:24]	Amanda Linden	we're gonna start a wiki clean up soon.... (just a side note)
[13:24]	Rand (rand.linden)	Darrius: not in general.... unless we have a watch on a certain page
[13:24]	Darrius Gothly	I can edit the Wiki but ... I have no idea where the old blogs went to.
[13:24]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	i'll get the dustbin lids then amanda
[13:24]	Amanda Linden	/me head goes dingdingding
[13:24]	Rand (rand.linden)	Old blogs are in the CP archive
[13:25]	Rand (rand.linden)	http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Blog-Archive/ct-p/BlogsArchive
[13:25]	Amanda Linden	yep, and still avail in search
[13:25]	Darrius Gothly	/me opts for the lazy way out .. and PMs the URL to Rand. heheheh
[13:25]	Rand (rand.linden)	Yes, unfortunately all old links to old blogs appear to be broken.
[13:25]	Darrius Gothly	TY Rand.
[13:25]	Peewee Musytari	is there some sort of special age verification needed for residents that join under 18 and then turn 18?...cos they all seem to post that they age verify and still can`t change maturity rating from G?
[13:26]	Rand (rand.linden)	I am actually working on cleaning up the wiki (time permitting)
[13:26]	Jeremy Linden	Peewee, as far as I know, the transition should be automatic. Terrence Linden would know more (his user group is right after this one).
[13:27]	Rand (rand.linden)	See https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LLO_Article_Survey_for_Community_Platform_Migration for example
[13:27]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	terry is still here? i thought he;d gotten the old proverbial heave-ho wuith all the others
[13:27]	Peewee Musytari	ok I might go along to that cos something isn`t working right :)
[13:27]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	They used to have to submit a ticket
[13:27]	Peewee Musytari	yeah I send them all to create tickets but then they say there isn`t one and it gets confusing
[13:27]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	all the good un's like kate, teeple, plexus, archy, kate, joppa, harrym housem, them lot from that ther breighton office
[13:28]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	Peewee that is a good point. I do see that type of thread coming up more often
[13:28]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	They used to get notified but I wonder if that has changed now that it's not the big upheaval it used to be
[13:28]	Amanda Linden	hey guys, i suggest that you go to the teens user group.
[13:28]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	Behave!
[13:28]	Amanda Linden	that terrence runs. that's a great topic for him.
[13:28]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	oi! i'm no ruddy teen!
[13:28]	Peewee Musytari	kk will go see terence ..ty :)
[13:28]	Amanda Linden	he's looking at that transition for teens from 17 to 18
[13:28]	Amanda Linden	fab. :) he's really the best person to hear your thoughts.
[13:29]	Amanda Linden	plus, i heard his UG is ossm. haven't attended yet, but hope to soon.
[13:29]	Cummere Mayo	yeah transition form 16 on hold accounts to 17 accounts isnt working either
[13:29]	Amanda Linden	yeah, anotehr one for terrence.
[13:29]	Amanda Linden	we're working out kinks, for sure.
[13:29]	Amanda Linden	ok, anything else on kb?
[13:29]	Cummere Mayo	actually yeah
[13:29]	Amanda Linden	sure
[13:30]	Cummere Mayo	kb still says to file an appeal for abuse report issues... theres no longer an appeal ticket
[13:30]	Cummere Mayo	can we please get that updated to whatever the new procedure is asap?
[13:30]	Cummere Mayo	sorry to be picky but thats a major one
[13:30]	Rand (rand.linden)	Cummere - Do you have the URL where KB states that
[13:31]	Cummere Mayo	not off the top of my head no...
[13:31]	Marianne McCann	(This crashing thing is gettign old)
[13:31]	Rand (rand.linden)	Jeremy ^^^
[13:31]	Jeremy Linden	I'll look into it.
[13:31]	Rand (rand.linden)	thx
[13:31]	Amanda Linden	thanks jeremy
[13:31]	Peewee Musytari	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Why_is_my_account_on_hold
[13:31]	Amanda Linden	anything else?
[13:31]	Cummere Mayo	its wrong everywhere actually, kb, wiki, even the notifications
[13:32]	Amanda Linden	ok, then.
[13:32]	Peewee Musytari	they can`t login to create a ticket if they are banned
[13:32]	Amanda Linden	time for my update on adult and lgbt private forums....
[13:32]	Amanda Linden	i have good news and bad news.
[13:32]	Mags Indigo	/me holds her breath
[13:32]	Amanda Linden	good news is that we can start an LGBT private forum.
[13:32]	Mags Indigo	but...
[13:33]	Peewee Musytari	bad news no one is allowed in
[13:33]	Peewee Musytari	lol
[13:33]	Mags Indigo	lmao
[13:33]	Amanda Linden	blondin is the community person on my team that runs the LGBT community...
[13:33]	Dresden Ceriano	lol
[13:33]	Deltango Vale	hahahaha
[13:33]	Venus Petrov	lol
[13:33]	Darrius Gothly	LOL
[13:33]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	ha!
[13:33]	Deltango Vale	hahahahaha
[13:33]	Amanda Linden	lots of cool stuff happening on the gay archipeligo, etc.
[13:33]	Amanda Linden	so, contact him if you want to be involved. he's taking the lead there.
[13:33]	Mags Indigo	kk
[13:33]	Mags Indigo	will do
[13:33]	Amanda Linden	ok, and on the bad news site.
[13:33]	Dresden Ceriano	cool
[13:33]	Amanda Linden	side.
[13:33]	Venus Petrov	and the bad news?
[13:33]	Amanda Linden	we cannot have a private forum for adult general.
[13:33]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	boo
[13:33]	Venus Petrov	why not please?
[13:33]	Mags Indigo	then IU can talk to like orientated per... I mean people
[13:33]	Marianne McCann	Why is LGBT private?
[13:33]	Scylla Rhiadra	/me nods, unsurprised
[13:34]	Amanda Linden	i've run it up the flagpole and it was a no.
[13:34]	Venus Petrov	reason?
[13:34]	Amanda Linden	the same reason why that's a no is why LGBT is private.
[13:34]	Amanda Linden	we do not have age verification on the platform.
[13:34]	Amanda Linden	and it would take quite a bit to do.
[13:34]	Amanda Linden	we have to keep these areas G rated.
[13:34]	Cummere Mayo	even using the way i suggested?
[13:34]	Dresden Ceriano	because gays are pervs don't you know?
[13:34]	Venus Petrov	but we were asking for a private adult forum
[13:34]	Mags Indigo	it's kinda obvious at this stage that LL are a wee bit embarassed that there are people in SL who have adult 'needs and kinks'
[13:34]	Dresden Ceriano	=P
[13:34]	Mags Indigo	and are gay
[13:34]	Mags Indigo	too
[13:34]	Amanda Linden	if we do a private forum, then blondin can ensure that lbgt folks are age verified.
[13:34]	Scylla Rhiadra	Amanda, LGBTI is a pretty broad category . . . what qualifies one to get in, or as relevant discussion there?
[13:35]	Venus Petrov	same would be the case for a private adult forum
[13:35]	Darrius Gothly	Ahhh .. so the assumption is that the number of applicants to the LGBT private forum will be small enough to be manageable manually. But the Private adult forum will have too many?
[13:35]	Amanda Linden	i see where you're coming from venus--i do.
[13:35]	Mags Indigo	do I need a letter from my doctor to prove I'm gay?
[13:35]	Venus Petrov	only age-verified gain entrance
[13:35]	Dresden Ceriano	not all gays are adult
[13:35]	Amanda Linden	but, the answer coming down is no.
[13:35]	Cummere Mayo	how far up is that answer coming from amanda?
[13:35]	Marianne McCann	I would think it's gona be a bit of an issue. With LGBT people pushing for greater legitimacy in society, the forums will be saying "your devients, go stay in here." no?
[13:35]	Peewee Musytari	can`t we talk straight adult in the LGBT one?
[13:35]	Amanda Linden	and all lgbt participants in the forum will be age verified.
[13:36]	Amanda Linden	i'm sorry guys--that's the decision today. it may change over time.
[13:36]	Deltango Vale	Upon reflection, was it wise to let kids into SL? It seems their presence on the main grid is a major constraint on the whole of SL.
[13:36]	Dresden Ceriano	exactly marianne
[13:36]	Mags Indigo	in case we 'convert' the little ones?
[13:36]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	You really need to get your communications about the LGBT forum spot on or you're in for a world of hurt.
[13:36]	Venus Petrov	ok, so one way to manage would be for non LGBT to get into that forum
[13:36]	Marianne McCann	<eanwhile, adult talk would be... well... adult, regardless of partner
[13:36]	Venus Petrov	i really do not care what the forum is called
[13:36]	Amanda Linden	well, we're not going to ask if you're straight or gay ot get into the forum.
[13:36]	Peewee Musytari	can we joi LGBT and then suddenly turn straight without getting kicked out?
[13:36]	Amanda Linden	:)
[13:36]	Marianne McCann	I mean, "T" alone is not "I want the sex0rs now"
[13:36]	Amanda Linden	you just have to be adult verified.
[13:36]	Venus Petrov	ok, that's the way in
[13:36]	Venus Petrov	thank you Amanda
[13:36]	Amanda Linden	:)
[13:36]	Cummere Mayo	if the lgbt forum has to be age verified but still cant be adult... youre in for a world of bad publicity for discrimination
[13:36]	Amanda Linden	figured you would see it that way (hoped)
[13:37]	Mags Indigo	/me sighs
[13:37]	Mags Indigo	yeah thanks Amanda
[13:37]	Tox (toxic.menges)	Would it not be better to reverse the streams as it were... teens are going to be a smaller group and to disallow them from access .. Iunderstand that the main forums need to be G in rating .. but access and work time etc
[13:37]	Mags Indigo	not your fault that LL is a bit nuts
[13:37]	Scylla Rhiadra	I think I'd like to object to the idea of using a LGBT forum as a sort of covert adult forum, people . . .
[13:37]	Venus Petrov	That's fine.
[13:37]	Scylla Rhiadra	It should be for what it has been created: LGBT
[13:37]	Amanda Linden	cummere--regardless ofw hether a forum is public or private, the community guidelines still aplly.
[13:37]	Amanda Linden	apply
[13:37]	Amanda Linden	so, keep that in mind.
[13:37]	Cummere Mayo	yeah...
[13:37]	Amanda Linden	if a comment gets reported, then it will be looked at by mods.
[13:37]	Amanda Linden	we'll see how it goes....
[13:38]	Cummere Mayo	so im seeing a discrimination issue there
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[13:38]	Cummere Mayo	not blaming you amanda
[13:38]	Cummere Mayo	but pointing it out
[13:38]	Amanda Linden	i'm sorry you see it that way.
[13:38]	Deltango Vale	BTW, I have attempted three times to be adult verified. System takes the info and does...nothing.
[13:38]	Ann Otoole	so everyone that wants to be in the LGBT forum has to have been tagged and placed in the aristotle system?
[13:38]	Amanda Linden	yeah, adult verification is an issue that we are working on
[13:38]	Marianne McCann	I have to ide with Cummere.
[13:38]	Amanda Linden	again terrence is your contact on that.
[13:38]	Peewee Musytari	is account verified ok or does it need to be age verified?
[13:38]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	You've gotta be kidding, they have to be Aristotle verified or account verified?
[13:39]	Amanda Linden	again, this is a decision that we can revisit over time.
[13:39]	Amanda Linden	but, it was a decision over my head.
[13:39]	Marianne McCann	Question: Why is there an LGBT forum at all? If it's adult content it's adult content
[13:39]	Cummere Mayo	amanda, easy way to do verification... set up all accounts with a password for a private forum. the password gets emailed only when you age verify
[13:39]	Dresden Ceriano	i'm sure we will
[13:39]	Amanda Linden	:)
[13:39]	Marianne McCann	why the division?
[13:39]	Amanda Linden	division?
[13:39]	Scylla Rhiadra	Mari, I don't think that everyone who is LGBT would agree that "adult is adult"
[13:40]	Darrius Gothly	I'm going on record as being extremely disappointed in the prudish and victorian morals being enforced on the SL Forums. The reduction of the "maturity level" to elementary school level, while assuring a "clean" perception, so discourages open conversation as to further dilute the usefulness of the Forums.
[13:40]	Mags Indigo	/me gets confused
[13:40]	Amanda Linden	i undersatnd where you're all coming from and sensitive to the issues.
[13:40]	Marianne McCann	Oh, I agree too, Scylla. But I don't understand why there's an "adult" forum that needs to have verification, and an LGBT one that requires it
[13:40]	Cummere Mayo	we.ll theres always sluniverse
[13:40]	Tox (toxic.menges)	Darrius ... in defence of LL here, they are trying to cover a lot of age groups and cultures, that is never easy
[13:40]	Venus Petrov	while a blog feature on jiggly bits is all over the place..laughs
[13:40]	Scylla Rhiadra	I'll agree with Darrius, but I want to applaud the decision to create and LGBT forum. I think that's a great move
[13:40]	Amanda Linden	the adult community is vibrant and important to us. no question (regardless of whether someone identifies as LBGT or not)
[13:40]	Mags Indigo	ahhh Ciaran LL wants the world to think that SL is full of happy smiling innocent god fearing clean living people
[13:40]	Mags Indigo	just like the american dream - but cleaner
[13:40]	Amanda Linden	however, this has to do with a g-rated public forum.
[13:41]	Scylla Rhiadra	And yes, sorry, Mari. I get what you mean now
[13:41]	Venus Petrov	laughs Mags
[13:41]	Cummere Mayo	being lgbt shouldbnt mean you have to verify just to say youre lgbt thats flying right in the face of civil rights
[13:41]	Marianne McCann	It seems like a duplication of efforts. Being LGBT should be viewed in a similar light to not being such.
[13:41]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	LL's maturity ratings are bizarre, World of Warcraft openly has smutty innuendo and references to alcohol and that's for thirteen year olds
[13:41]	Venus Petrov	does a G-rated site include a blog on jiggly bits? laughs
[13:41]	Amanda Linden	it has to do with the forum, not that you have to verify to be LGBT
[13:41]	Second Life	Entering god mode, level 150
[13:41]	Darrius Gothly	Rather than discuss here .. let's discuss in the forums more .. then return to these meetings with a better documented community preference?
[13:41]	Dresden Ceriano	homosexuals can do g-rated
[13:41]	Amanda Linden	of course.
[13:41]	Cummere Mayo	so youre saying talking about being lesbian or gay alone makes it not a g-rated?
[13:42]	Amanda Linden	no, i'm not saying that cummere
[13:42]	Mags Indigo	/me gets a headache
[13:42]	Amanda Linden	here's waht i'm saying.
[13:42]	Dresden Ceriano	sounds good to me Darrius
[13:42]	Marianne McCann	A kiss is a kiss no matter who, so I'm lost understanding why such a forum would need to be hidden *and* separete from other adult rated forums
[13:42]	Cummere Mayo	no thats what LL is saying amanda... not you
[13:42]	Scylla Rhiadra	I don't think the new LGBT forum is for a discussion of sexual practices
[13:42]	Amanda Linden	/me takes deep breath
[13:42]	Venus Petrov	/me hands Mags an aspirin
[13:42]	Amanda Linden	ha
[13:42]	Amanda Linden	ok
[13:42]	Deltango Vale	Sigh, remembers the painful discussions on this whole, blasted 'adult' policy.
[13:42]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	Making the forum require adult verification is going to give the wrong impresion Amanda, you need to relay that to people further up the tree
[13:42]	Mags Indigo	ta Venus
[13:42]	Amanda Linden	we currently have a system (community platform)
[13:42]	Scylla Rhiadra	It's surely a place to discuss cultural issues relevant specifically to that community
[13:42]	Amanda Linden	that is g rated. avail on the public internet.
[13:42]	Mags Indigo	and Scylla if it's not about discussing 'naughty things'
[13:42]	Mags Indigo	why have it hidden at all?
[13:43]	Tox (toxic.menges)	I think any issues over sexuality of users is not necessarily something that those who wish to chat in a G rated place would want to talk about ?
[13:43]	Venus Petrov	agree, Mags
[13:43]	Scylla Rhiadra	Well, I wouldn't hide it myself
[13:43]	Amanda Linden	there are aspects of second life, such as adult activities, that are not appropriate for g rated areas?
[13:43]	Amanda Linden	right?
[13:43]	Amanda Linden	can we all agree on that.
[13:43]	Mags Indigo	we can all discuss philosophy and stuff in the G forum
[13:43]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	Let Amanda talk pls?
[13:43]	Mags Indigo	can't we?
[13:43]	Peewee Musytari	if the LGBT forum is for adult content why is it locked at all?
[13:43]	Tox (toxic.menges)	any type of sexuality
[13:43]	Amanda Linden	ok.
[13:43]	Ann Otoole	take it to the blogs out on the internet. Amanda can't change anything. She is just relaying the info.
[13:43]	Cummere Mayo	and a lgbt forum that doesnt discuss nuaghty things somehow is anything other then g rated?
[13:43]	Peewee Musytari	*isn`t
[13:43]	Marianne McCann	/me agrees
[13:43]	Amanda Linden	hey guys, hang on one min, k?
[13:43]	Mags Indigo	sorry
[13:43]	Amanda Linden	i know that this is a hot topic. excuse the pun
[13:43]	Dresden Ceriano	i'd rather see no glbt forum then one that hides us in the attic like ugly step children
[13:43]	Amanda Linden	ok
[13:43]	Mags Indigo	I'm a bit miffed
[13:43]	Jeremy Linden	Side-note back to an earlier topic: I've just learned that the current ticket type used for appeals is "Reactivate an old account" or "Second Lifeweb login issues". Both go to appeals. You can file either ticket type as a guest, as long as you have an email address. I'll update the KB as soon as I can. :-)
[13:43]	Darrius Gothly	Totally straight but very adult non-sexual topic. Marital "infidelity" .. re: RL married people having SL relationships.
[13:43]	Amanda Linden	thanks jeremy
[13:43]	Amanda Linden	ok.
[13:44]	Amanda Linden	you're welcome to talk about relationships, etc. on the forums today.
[13:44]	Amanda Linden	g rated things...
[13:44]	Peewee Musytari	ahh thats the section I emailed u about jeremy lol
[13:44]	Amanda Linden	marriage, etc.
[13:44]	Cummere Mayo	jeremy if youre talking to them, could you kindly ask them to just readd the appeal ticket and make it FAR LESS confusing?
[13:44]	Peewee Musytari	PM`d
[13:44]	Amanda Linden	but, if adults want to have an adult conversation, then it just can't happen on the forums as they stand today.
[13:44]	Venus Petrov	not entirely but *laughs* won't go there
[13:44]	Dresden Ceriano	well as long as i can talk about g-rated gay things i'm fine with posting in the regular forum
[13:44]	Cummere Mayo	and being lesbian or gay is adult?
[13:44]	Amanda Linden	lgbt community will also have to keep their conversations clean in the private forum.
[13:44]	Darrius Gothly	*sigh* And therein lay my biggest disappointment Amanda.
[13:45]	Cummere Mayo	if they have to stay clean why do they have to age verify?
[13:45]	Amanda Linden	because them's the rules.
[13:45]	Scylla Rhiadra	Hmmm . . . ok, good questions
[13:45]	Mags Indigo	/me wonders this too Cummere
[13:45]	Ann Otoole	So someone at LL thinks gay means sex? no clue about discussing gay friendly venues etc.? makes a lot of sense actually.
[13:45]	Peewee Musytari	thats the part I don`t understand amanda...if you tell the LGBT that they need to be age verified to get in that forum and the act G rated when they are in there, isn`t that just a contradiction?
[13:45]	Amanda Linden	although, we might do a private forum on lgbt teens, not out of the question. in fact, a great idea.
[13:45]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	It's amazing considering where LL is based
[13:46]	Cummere Mayo	amanda please inform your bosses ill be happy to forward this transcript to many many lgbt advocacy groups
[13:45]	Darrius Gothly	Amanda? Would you please format up and post a concise set of "Rules and Conditions" about the new LGBT Forum and how it must be used please?
[13:45]	Peewee Musytari	there is not point having any age verified forums if they all have to be g rated
[13:45]	Amanda Linden	blondin is owrking on it and he's your best contact there.
[13:46]	Amanda Linden	i see where you're coming from peewee.
[13:46]	Dresden Ceriano	i'll join it but i will not keep my horrible gayness out of the regular forum either... frankly i find this a huge insult
[13:46]	Mags Indigo	and what will be 'different' about it in order for it to warrent being age verified
[13:46]	Ann Otoole	I would just hate to see everyone I know that is LGBT suddenly quit because they don't want to be outed irl via a data breach or sinister tin foil plot at the government hip joined aristotle thing.
[13:46]	Cummere Mayo	as well as why you have to be age verfied to use a g rated forum
[13:46]	Darrius Gothly	I think the details are getting lost in the discussion today. And they're very important details IMHO.
[13:46]	Tox (toxic.menges)	Darrius, I would guess it's all about context ( as it should be)
[13:46]	Venus Petrov	Dres, please do NOT keep your gayness out of the forum
[13:46]	Amanda Linden	we're doing this to support the lgbt community. is it hte private part that you guys are upset about or the age verification part?
[13:46]	Cummere Mayo	both
[13:46]	Scylla Rhiadra	I think the combination, Amanda
[13:46]	Madeliefste Oh	and why do you need to lock out young gays or lesbo's when the conversation must still be G rated?
[13:46]	Dresden Ceriano	the private part
[13:47]	Dresden Ceriano	the age veerification part
[13:47]	Amanda Linden	ok, let's address private part first.
[13:47]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	Why can't they be supported in the existing forums?
[13:47]	Cummere Mayo	the age verification part if its suppsoed to be grated
[13:47]	Peewee Musytari	well it is saying that being LGBT is X rated regardless of content if you make them age verify
[13:47]	Cummere Mayo	because that says to me that being glbt is taboo and unwelcome
[13:47]	Dresden Ceriano	right
[13:47]	Amanda Linden	all residents are welcome to post in teh public forums and talk lgbt or straight relationships, etc.
[13:47]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	Exactly Peewee
[13:47]	Amanda Linden	that's just life in SF.
[13:47]	Mags Indigo	ok - if the Private LGBT forum was to talk about the 'adult' = sex aspects of LGBT (god knows why) then I could see the reason for a seperate age verified forum
[13:47]	Dresden Ceriano	exactly
[13:47]	Amanda Linden	SL
[13:47]	Scylla Rhiadra	The only point to "private" I can see is for those who don't want to be publicly identified as LGBT
[13:47]	Vernes Veranes	heated discussion is rapid discussion. Can't read this fast O_o
[13:47]	Mags Indigo	but if it has to be kept 'clean'
[13:47]	Mags Indigo	ummm - why private?
[13:48]	Amanda Linden	but, there are many people that want the LGBT forum private to discuss very specific issues about LGBT.
[13:48]	Darrius Gothly	+5 Scylla
[13:48]	Amanda Linden	and i assume that it will be more indepth than what's public.
[13:48]	Cummere Mayo	if its to be kept private fine... keep it private but why age verification?
[13:48]	Peewee Musytari	make the LGBT one public and with the same rules as the rest and there is no discrimination
[13:48]	Dresden Ceriano	how would you know that, amanda?
[13:48]	Amanda Linden	we're creating a space where folks can have a litlte more private.
[13:48]	Amanda Linden	and can discuss things a bit more freely
[13:48]	Amanda Linden	so, this is all in an effor tto support this community.
[13:48]	Cummere Mayo	you dont need age verification for that though
[13:48]	Scylla Rhiadra	How much more freely?
[13:48]	Mags Indigo	but not sex or pervy suff
[13:48]	Ann Otoole	I thought the forum had to be clean everywhere all the time.
[13:48]	Amanda Linden	right mags.
[13:48]	Dresden Ceriano	i understand that
[13:49]	Cummere Mayo	so if no sex why age verified?
[13:49]	Mags Indigo	but have deep philosophical discussions that would disturb ordinary folk and -18s
[13:49]	Ann Otoole	as in the basic profile of LL's forum is a business meeting.
[13:49]	Amanda Linden	it does, but lbgt is more than sex. i
[13:49]	Amanda Linden	of course
[13:49]	Dresden Ceriano	i'm still against it being private
[13:49]	Cummere Mayo	im totally against the age verification
[13:49]	Amanda Linden	re: the age veriifcation i see wehre you're coming from.
[13:49]	Darrius Gothly	But if the only "requirement" is to be old enough .. many bigots are old enough too. They can still get into the LGBT Private Forum and out people just to cause hurt and pain.
[13:49]	Dresden Ceriano	that too
[13:49]	Cummere Mayo	and i really know several groups that would be too
[13:49]	Amanda Linden	and, i hear you.
[13:49]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	You're making a rod for your own back here, how many other communities are going to want a private forum?
[13:49]	Cummere Mayo	and lets be honest LL cannot afford more bad publicity
[13:50]	Dresden Ceriano	that too lord
[13:50]	Mags Indigo	ummm this is SL folks 'outing' shouldn't be an issue seeing as how there's no way to even know grnder
[13:50]	Amanda Linden	we can create the forum with teens, but that means it has to be super clean.
[13:50]	Scylla Rhiadra	Amanda, maybe you and LL can rethink this one, and represent it?
[13:50]	Amanda Linden	super super clean.
[13:50]	Mags Indigo	not to mind orientation
[13:50]	Peewee Musytari	I just think ur opening a can or worms making it private and they get in there and find its G rated and wonder why it is hidden at all
[13:50]	Tox (toxic.menges)	why not have an adult forum where the teens cannot access rather than asking for verification from everyone else? (I know I am being mardy) There are less teens than other groups in sl and the fora could have caveats etc
[13:50]	bob Iwashi	bad publcicity?
[13:50]	Amanda Linden	i can rethink it. but, do can you keep it clean enough so that a 13 year old can read it?
[13:50]	Cummere Mayo	amanda thats it... youre still being prejudiced
[13:50]	bob Iwashi	i won;t name the alterantives buti understand they're booming
[13:50]	Mags Indigo	that cute lesbo I have my eye on is possibly Marvin from the truckers assoc having a wee break from the wife and kids
[13:50]	Amanda Linden	this is about policy. only.
[13:51]	Doctor Gascoigne	it would need moderation
[13:51]	Amanda Linden	personally, i'm as liberal and loving as they come.
[13:51]	Doctor Gascoigne	if you let kids in you have to moderate
[13:51]	Doctor Gascoigne	always
[13:51]	Scylla Rhiadra	if a 13 year old doesn't need to "protected" from the idea of same sex relationships, I think it can be kept clean enough for the main forums
[13:51]	bob Iwashi	pffft
[13:51]	Darrius Gothly	And our point is .. Policy in this case is very short-sighted.
[13:51]	Amanda Linden	seriously, i went to vassar and i live in san francisco. :)
[13:51]	Cummere Mayo	you is not personal amanda
[13:51]	Torben (torben.trautman)	welcome back again Mari
[13:51]	Cummere Mayo	amanda you in this case is LL not you personal
[13:51]	Doctor Gascoigne	scylla its not about what you think its about liability
[13:51]	Mags Indigo	and the forums are for 16+ so surely no issues there
[13:51]	Amanda Linden	kk, thanks for clarification.
[13:51]	Doctor Gascoigne	thats the theme
[13:51]	Cummere Mayo	please dont see what im saying as a personal attack
[13:51]	Doctor Gascoigne	liability
[13:51]	Marianne McCann	Thanks... again
[13:51]	Amanda Linden	it's important that you guys know where i am personally.
[13:51]	Scylla Rhiadra	LGBT is a liability issue? Where?
[13:51]	Vernes Veranes	Sounds like this topic needs a sequel? Howmuch time do we have left?
[13:51]	Amanda Linden	i want to support this community.
[13:52]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	I agree with you doc
[13:52]	Doctor Gascoigne	you bring kids into the mix
[13:52]	bob Iwashi	i'd liek to see some direct answers to our questionas
[13:52]	Amanda Linden	ok, i'll rethink age verification.
[13:52]	Doctor Gascoigne	someone will sue someone
[13:52]	Mags Indigo	oh yeah - sorry Amanda and other Lindens present
[13:52]	Doctor Gascoigne	its a challenge
[13:52]	Amanda Linden	you guys convinced me.
[13:52]	Mags Indigo	I'm not mad at you
[13:52]	Mags Indigo	just at the world
[13:52]	Doctor Gascoigne	of liability
[13:52]	bob Iwashi	even if you tell us "we gotta go think about it and come back"
[13:52]	Scylla Rhiadra	Yay Amanda!
[13:52]	Amanda Linden	see, I'm open!
[13:52]	Venus Petrov	It sounds like your boss needs to rethink age verification, no?
[13:52]	Doctor Gascoigne	Amanda your a good person
[13:52]	Cummere Mayo	amanda... if you need help with your bosses let us know.
[13:52]	Amanda Linden	but, we'll just have to keep a super close eye on it and see how it goes.
[13:52]	Doctor Gascoigne	no one is saying your not
[13:52]	Amanda Linden	how'st hat?
[13:52]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	A G rated forum regarding LGBT is not a liability
[13:52]	Doctor Gascoigne	your being prudent
[13:52]	Darrius Gothly	We're just giving you lots of hammers to hit your boss with. LOL
[13:52]	Amanda Linden	private but not age verified.
[13:52]	Doctor Gascoigne	I like prudent
[13:52]	Cummere Mayo	that i can live with amanda :)
[13:52]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	Sounds good Amanda
[13:52]	Amanda Linden	good start?
[13:52]	Peewee Musytari	maybe Blondin should run it by Fabrice or rest of GA and see what they would consider to be discriminating
[13:52]	Tox (toxic.menges)	Thats a great result I think!
[13:52]	Mags Indigo	yup - that sounds better
[13:53]	draconis.neurocam (draconis.neurocam)	it just seems like there was a lack of forethought and unwillingness to admit it is disconcerting on the whole topic of the limitations of the forum, if not other things
[13:53]	Amanda Linden	you guys were very persuasive.
[13:53]	Amanda Linden	:)
[13:53]	Venus Petrov	private, not age-verified, and 'Mature'
[13:53]	Amanda Linden	not mature, unfortunately.
[13:53]	Mags Indigo	/me thinks Venus is pushing now...
[13:53]	Scylla Rhiadra	lol
[13:53]	Mags Indigo	...as usual
[13:53]	Amanda Linden	:)
[13:53]	Dresden Ceriano	lol
[13:53]	Marianne McCann	The best support, IMO, would be ab equal footing. If I can say "I've two dads" on the regular forum," then there's no need for hiding away LGBT, I think.
[13:53]	Amanda Linden	whew, ok.
[13:53]	Doctor Gascoigne	rome was not built in a day folks
[13:53]	Venus Petrov	and i will continue
[13:53]	Doctor Gascoigne	we are on new ground
[13:53]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	heeh Venus
[13:53]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	Agreed Mari
[13:53]	Amanda Linden	so, contact blondin and let's get it going!
[13:54]	Dresden Ceriano	will do
[13:54]	Amanda Linden	kk, cool.
[13:54]	Amanda Linden	whew.
[13:54]	Scylla Rhiadra	I can see some benefit to "private" . . . but honestly, I think it would be better to have it on the main boards
[13:54]	Doctor Gascoigne	great meeting Amanda
[13:54]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	age verificaqtion blows
[13:54]	Dresden Ceriano	but it's not over
[13:54]	Cummere Mayo	amanda how far above you do we have to go to get the idea of an adult forum unblocked?
[13:54]	Amanda Linden	ok, we're almost done and there are a few more things.
[13:54]	Venus Petrov	i agree, Scylla
[13:54]	Amanda Linden	raymond already updated on the evening mod.
[13:54]	Venus Petrov	there is nothing to push under the rug
[13:54]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	amanda: this is my 1st meeting here and i'm sorry to say i am unimpressed
[13:55]	Mags Indigo	/me looks at the bump under the rug and wonders...
[13:55]	Doctor Gascoigne	very nice ding
[13:55]	Tox (toxic.menges)	ymmv ding :)
[13:55]	Amanda Linden	ok, ceriano, looking at your add.
[13:55]	Doctor Gascoigne	please come again
[13:55]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	every question seems to be only met by a hlaf answer, and from a drirector of communication,. we seem to have very littlecommunication
[13:55]	Venus Petrov	/me hands Mags another aspirin
[13:55]	Doctor Gascoigne	perhaps you will be impressed another time
[13:55]	Deltango Vale	It's my first meeting and I AM impressed.
[13:55]	Amanda Linden	ok, i see we did that one. raymond's going to check into it.
[13:55]	Doctor Gascoigne	welcome to an office hour ding
[13:55]	Amanda Linden	:)
[13:55]	Scylla Rhiadra	Dunno. This is a bit like every office hour I've ever been to
[13:55]	Dresden Ceriano	we did
[13:55]	Mags Indigo	you're trying to give me a stomach bleed now?
[13:55]	Dresden Ceriano	thanks
[13:55]	Torben (torben.trautman)	what Doc said
[13:55]	Amanda Linden	new products forum.
[13:55]	Venus Petrov	laughs
[13:55]	Doctor Gascoigne	see
[13:56]	Peewee Musytari	yes
[13:56]	Doctor Gascoigne	thanks torb
[13:56]	Tox (toxic.menges)	ding, perhaps you need to give them a little bit more of a chance than the one session :)
[13:56]	Peewee Musytari	new products yay
[13:56]	Darrius Gothly	YES ... new products forum. Please!
[13:56]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	Ding what gets said here gets relayed, the Linden's are walking on eggshells and have to be careful what they say
[13:56]	Doctor Gascoigne	new avatars
[13:56]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	i have been here, in one account or aother
[13:56]	Amanda Linden	i'm staying a little longer...to get to the last two items.
[13:56]	Doctor Gascoigne	so refreshing
[13:56]	Marianne McCann	What Toxic said
[13:56]	Amanda Linden	let's explore it and come back next week. i like the idea.
[13:56]	Dresden Ceriano	thanks amanda
[13:56]	Deltango Vale	BUT, because of RL, this will be my ONLY meeting. I just got lucky with the timing tonight.
[13:56]	Peewee Musytari	kewl ty amanda
[13:56]	Doctor Gascoigne	no whining is allowed
[13:56]	Amanda Linden	sure thing.
[13:56]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	i can say this, whereas the lindens can't: sl has gone down the pan since that *person* culled 33.3&% of them
[13:56]	Venus Petrov	glad you could make it Del
[13:56]	Doctor Gascoigne	I havea motto you dislike something enough get INVOLVED
[13:56]	Darrius Gothly	Do you accept bribes to "promote" the idea Amanda?
[13:56]	Amanda Linden	and, new feature request for sl viewer.
[13:56]	Scylla Rhiadra	Del, time for a new Off Topics thread?
[13:57]	Amanda Linden	ah, mari, there's a viewer evolution user group that you should go to.
[13:57]	Deltango Vale	Fora-based usergroups?
[13:57]	Amanda Linden	oz is your contact for new feature requests.
[13:57]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	and you wonder why people leave, and use *other worlds*
[13:57]	Marianne McCann	"Be the change" Doc
[13:57]	Amanda Linden	so, give your feedback to oz and that team.
[13:57]	Scylla Rhiadra	Yep, and specifically LGBTI
[13:57]	Marianne McCann	/me winks
[13:57]	Mags Indigo	they do??
[13:57]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	when nowadays, sl seems to be "yes-men"
[13:57]	Amanda Linden	whew, got through it with two mins to spare.
[13:57]	Amanda Linden	anything else?
[13:57]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	no dingding
[13:57]	Peewee Musytari	wtg amanda lol
[13:58]	Mags Indigo	/me thinks ding has a 'former agenda'
[13:58]	Peewee Musytari	speed typing
[13:58]	Tox (toxic.menges)	ding you should see me on twitter, I give LL a hard time, but i notice the good as well - give them a chance
[13:58]	Scylla Rhiadra	Yes women too, Dingding!
[13:58]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	Events and new products forum please
[13:58]	Doctor Gascoigne	yes furries
[13:58]	Amanda Linden	thanks tox, we're trying.
[13:58]	Marianne McCann	Can do, Amanda. I've been and it's, uh... aa little depressing. But I'll give it another shot
[13:58]	Marianne McCann	/me grins
[13:58]	Scylla Rhiadra	Yes furries, yes robots . . .
[13:58]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	Events Forum?
[13:58]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	can we get back to the days of linden staff mixign freely with residents? go back to wen we used to see you guys, laugh with you, joke with youi
[13:58]	Amanda Linden	events does have a forum, don't we?
[13:58]	Tox (toxic.menges)	it shows, be strong, you are making up ground.
[13:58]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	Yes for posting events, where with moderation we won't have the spam city we have in the events system inworld and website
[13:58]	Doctor Gascoigne	events has a whole office hour
[13:58]	Amanda Linden	and it's good. attended last week after our meeting.
[13:58]	Doctor Gascoigne	be there or be square
[13:58]	Amanda Linden	yep!
[13:58]	Doctor Gascoigne	its 1st thurs of the month
[13:58]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	i freely give credit for good, beleive me
[13:59]	Amanda Linden	yeah, the events system is in teh works.
[13:59]	Amanda Linden	it's tough to use now, i know.
[13:59]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	99.9% of the lindens aer really lovely people
[13:59]	Doctor Gascoigne	99%
[13:59]	Cummere Mayo	/me likes events usergroup.... wished profiles was more like it... actually i wish profiles would just plain show up
[13:59]	Amanda Linden	attend that user group, for sure.
[13:59]	Mags Indigo	oh ding that's a bit too high
[13:59]	Marianne McCann	/me wants Crap Mariner's "Click The Clock" for events
[13:59]	Cummere Mayo	um amanda quick side note...
[13:59]	Ann Otoole	is destination guide part of community tools? how to report places in dest guide that no longer exist? need a report button on that page or something.
[13:59]	Amanda Linden	destination guide is part of events, weirdly.
[13:59]	Ann Otoole	okies
[13:59]	Cummere Mayo	whats the use of profiles having an office hour if they cant be bothered to show up?
[13:59]	Doctor Gascoigne	destination guide is a great thing
[13:59]	Amanda Linden	but, i talked to brett just today about doing a destination guide user group.
[14:00]	Amanda Linden	funny that you mention int ann. :) great minds.
[14:00]	Ann Otoole	lol
[14:00]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	You need to liberate your forums to allow people to promote SL
[14:00]	Amanda Linden	no one showed up for profiles UG?
[14:00]	Amanda Linden	sorry about that.
[14:00]	Amanda Linden	we're redoing the UG's a bit (since we had a reorg) you'll see some changes to that page soon.
[14:00]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	99.9 % bottles of beer on the wall
[14:00]	Ann Otoole	oddly people in the LL forum are generally already customers.
[14:00]	Scylla Rhiadra	lol
[14:01]	Doctor Gascoigne	lol
[14:01]	Amanda Linden	yep, mostly super users in the forums.
[14:01]	Scylla Rhiadra	Well, I'm not . . .
[14:01]	Dresden Ceriano	lol
[14:01]	Peewee Musytari	how did that happen?
[14:01]	Peewee Musytari	lol
[14:01]	Amanda Linden	:)ok, think were' done....
[14:01]	Scylla Rhiadra	Thanks Amanda
[14:01]	Amanda Linden	next week. same bat time, same bat channel.
[14:01]	Ann Otoole	thanks for the time :)
[14:01]	Raymond Linden	Thanks all
[14:01]	Amanda Linden	thanks everyone. ossm meeting today.
[14:01]	Peewee Musytari	people will start thinking there is a connection between the forums and SL next
[14:01]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	This was a good meeting ㋡
[14:01]	Dresden Ceriano	thank you
[14:01]	Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)	Cheers guys
[14:01]	Tox (toxic.menges)	Do you have a way of allowing new users into a certain section on the forum for a set length of time .. that would help acclimatise them
[14:01]	Mags Indigo	kk thanks Amanda and Linden people
[14:01]	Amanda Linden	glad we hammered out the forum stuff.
[14:01]	Venus Petrov	Amanda, just one comment. Mods are not sending PMs when posts are pulled..reasons why.
[14:02]	Amanda Linden	they are welcome to come into the forums and participate.
[14:02]	Amanda Linden	anyone with a username/password can participate in teh forums/platform.
[14:02]	Marianne McCann	Sadly, crashes left me missing a lot of what I wanted t'hear about, b ut such is digital life!
[14:02]	Amanda Linden	but, they often don't.
[14:02]	Peewee Musytari	great meeting thanks amanda, lexie, raymond, jeremey, rand :)
[14:02]	Lexie (lexie.linden)	Thanks for all your feedback and for standing up for what you think is important! Good stuff
[14:02]	Peewee Musytari	oops terence has started...gotta run lol
[14:02]	Amanda Linden	we are working on creating more for them.... marketing to them more effectively with the resources avail.
[14:02]	Darrius Gothly	All in all .. agreed. Good meeting. Lots of "food for thought" .. for next week.
[14:02]	Amanda Linden	might be a great topic for our next meeting.
[14:02]	Venus Petrov	my understanding was that they always would
[14:02]	Scylla Rhiadra	thanks for the move on an LGBT forum, even if it has been imperfectly thought out . . . it's a move in the right direction, I think
[14:02]	Amanda Linden	how to better market to new users and get them part of the community faster.
[14:02]	Peewee Musytari	bye all till next week :)
[14:02]	Amanda Linden	you guys want to brainstorm ont aht one?
[14:03]	Venus Petrov	OK, that's fine. I will just ask ..always. ㋡
[14:03]	Amanda Linden	i would love it personally
[14:03]	Tox (toxic.menges)	im all for that one
[14:03]	Marianne McCann	Would totally love that
[14:03]	Torben (torben.trautman)	sure
[14:03]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	oh aMABNDA!
[14:03]	Amanda Linden	ossm. i could really use your help!
[14:03]	Darrius Gothly	Start a topic Venus. I'm sure it will get some good activity.
[14:03]	Cummere Mayo	amanda if yould talk to me sometime i could definately give you ideas
[14:03]	Amanda Linden	i need all the points i can get.
[14:03]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	1 MOER POUINT!
[14:03]	Amanda Linden	wait, is ding giving me points?
[14:03]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	1 issue i wanted to bring up, nothing bad
[14:03]	Mags Indigo	kudos even?
[14:03]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	more point!
[14:03]	Amanda Linden	thanks cummere.
[14:03]	Cummere Mayo	trouble is getting LL staffed enough to implement them
[14:03]	Scylla Rhiadra	Not kudos?
[14:03]	Scylla Rhiadra	Hey, how do I get my kudos removed, btw?
[14:04]	Venus Petrov	on moderation? no thanks lol
[14:04]	Mags Indigo	pi** people off enough and that should work
[14:04]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	the mainland sim, infohub, "boardroom"
[14:04]	Scylla Rhiadra	Oh, that's not hard! I can do that
[14:04]	Doctor Gascoigne	everything needs moderation
[14:04]	Torben (torben.trautman)	bye all
[14:04]	dingdingdingivegotadustbinlid Vonderheide	totally in the wrong palce maybe
[14:04]	Darrius Gothly	No .. on when posts gets pulled .. what is and is not a reason to send a PM about it.
[14:04]	Amanda Linden	bye all.... :)

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